SEATTLE MARINERS TORONTO BLUE JAYS
Ichiro RF Adams SS
Winn LF Catalanotto LF
Ibanez DH Wells CF
Sexson 1B Hillenbrand 3B
Beltre 3B Hill DH
Morse SS Zaun C
Reed CF Rios RF
Lopez 2B Hinske 1B
Borders C Hudson 2B
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Sele (6-9, 4.77) Lilly (7-9, 5.21)
Two pitchers headed in opposite directions. While Sele has been various shades of ugly over the past few weeks, Lilly has caught fire, allowing nine runs in his last 38 innings (six starts), with nearly a strikeout per frame and having lowered his ERA from 7.41 to 5.21 over that span. He's beginning to look like the strong #2 pitcher many analysts thought he'd be this year, which bodes poorly for Seattle's chances this afternoon. Lilly can still be betrayed by his command and exposed against righties, though, so at least there's a little hope. It'd be nice if Miguel Olivo kept up his current pace against the guy, just for a little added boost. Sele needs to not suck, which might be asking too much.
LET'S GO MARINERS!
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Harlem shuffle
If the Ms were the Harlem Globetrotters, everyone would go to the plate against Lilly wearing an Olivo mask. But they aren't, so I'm hoping that Sexson, Ibanez and Beltre can take advantage of that relatively short, no-power-alley CF porch.JPWood - July 19, 2005
Olivo isn't playing
that's just stupid.Trent - July 19, 2005
"Thats just stupid"
Hargrove:You called?Goose - July 19, 2005
How is that possible?
If there is one guy Miguel Olivo should start against it's Ted Lilly. 3 HRS in 5 at bats! Wow.BaltimoreMarinersFan - July 19, 2005
Shuffle
There's really no reason for Hargrove to play Olivo's streak. That's not his style.JPWood - July 19, 2005
I'm not really an Olivo fan by any means...
but this is ridiculous.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Let's Speculate...
The M's are holding off on a deal until after the game, thus allowing Winn to play vs. a lefty.OK I am reaching.
PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Rogers Centre's upper deck
They should really use that empty space for something.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
re: Rogers Centre's upper deck
I think they should start by spelling "Center" correctly.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
No kidding.
And "Z" = "zed"? What's up with that?Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
A change-up!!!!
I don't think so.Grant H - July 19, 2005
Strikeouts don't slump.
Apparently.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Do people actually
watch the WNBA?Trent - July 19, 2005
or basketball in general
or maybe its just meGoose - July 19, 2005
Sele looks solid....
PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
I wonder if Snelling can pitch.
We might need it today.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
God....
Sele isn't fooling anyone. They aren't even tempted to swing at these pitches.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Thanks Vern...
Your charity is appriciated.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
I don't know how Sele does it...
but he manages to get himself out of jams time and time again. When that stops, look out.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
true
but in his defense we have been waiting for that all year. Sele is the definition of smoke and mirrors pitching.Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
I got a feeling, this is going to be a bad day
Goose - July 19, 2005
Walking Hillenbrand...
is an offence punishable by death.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Who walks Shea Hillenbrand?
Seriously?Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Re: Who walks Shea Hillenbrand?
Remember when he was asked about his complete inability to draw walks and his response was something to the effect of, "I am paid to hit. No one ever won a World Series by drawing walks."PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Re: Who walks Shea Hillenbrand?
I remember the great debates we had over the Hillenbrand/Kim trade.Good times.
Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Sele is one lucky SOB
PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Gil Meche is lucky
Aaron Sele is luckier.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
For a moment I could of swore Neihuas
said "and that bitch is lined to deep right fieldthank god we dont have to listen to Calabro any more
Goose - July 19, 2005
Interesting
The Red Sox released Embry today...I know they have had bullpen troubles of late, but that seems like a little bit of an overreaction to the losses to the Yankees and D-Rays of late...
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Speaking of....
thier loss to the D-Rays...Have any of you EVER seen a call get reversed like the one in that game?
Who in the hell is the home plate umpire to rule on a play at first?
Lou had every right to go all insane-psycho like.
PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
LOL
They were talking about this on ESPN radio and how the ump was yelling at Lou after he came out to argue...the gist of it was, "what do you expect to happen when you yell back at him...Lou to calm down?"The host suggested that when they changed that call they should have just tossed Lou at that point because it was inevitable...
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Re: Interesting
Lefties currently in the Red Sox bullpen:Mike Myers
John Halama
Ron Villone has built quite the market for himself.
Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
I was thinking the same thing....
Deal him now while there is a market.Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Beltred!
1-0Goose - July 19, 2005
BELTRE!!!
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
HOO YEAH!!!
BELTRED!!!!PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
BELTRE!!
Hot damn!Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Morse...
I love you. Where did you learn this?PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
OMG
Mike Morse actuallt stole a base.Why do they continue to send him, he sucks at stealing and he isnt that fast.
Goose - July 19, 2005
Even when Morse tries to screw up
he makes it work.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Any Mariner trade rumors today?
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Re: Any Mariner trade rumors today?
Is that a joke?PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
No
been out of the loop...Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Heh
I thought it was a sarcastic post as well. There were a ton of rumors surrounding Snelling/Winn/Hansen earlier today but it was nothing more than Hansen staying on the DL and Snelling returning.Rumors are easy to find. Legitimate trade news is hard to find and there are just some quiet murmurs out there today.
Trent - July 19, 2005
Re; No
LOL. We had our hopes up today, because Snelling is still on the roster. Apparantly, it's nothing more than Hansen still being "hurt."PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
That bunt call
Really, really stupid.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
wow that was bad
nothing ticks me off more then a failed buntbetter get an rbi here Lopez
Goose - July 19, 2005
Uhhhhh...
He's only 21, he's only 21, he's only 21Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
How much longer are we going to say that
I'm starting to wonder about this kid.Goose - July 19, 2005
re: How much longer are we going to say that?
Until he's 22?BrianV - July 19, 2005
Re: How much longer are we going to say that
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/tejadmi01.shtmlJeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Nice
Hey Jeff -I live in Tucson right now...went to watch Tacoma last week and saw Lorraine implode. Anyway, I was wondering if you knew anything about a guy in the D-Backs organization named Connor Jackson? Dude had huge stats at the few games i've attended and seemed to be a very good hitter. Is he a AAAA guy or legit prospect?
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Re: Nice
Conor Jackson is a terrific prospect, and the guy Arizona took with the pick we gave them when we signed Greg Colbrunn.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Thanks
He looks fantastic...power, line drive stroke...the works.Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Conor Jackson
That name should be labeled as blasphamy. Conor Jackson is a tremendous prospect. He is a tremendous prospect that the D-Backs drafted with our draft pick as compensation for the signing of Greg Colbrunn. He has a ton of ability at the plate and his power is just starting to develop. He's also developing into a pretty damn good 1B.Trent - July 19, 2005
Jackson's AAA numbers this year
62 walks, 27 strikeouts.(And his other numbers are also great.)
Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
OK
I've only been to about 7 games, but dude always crushes the ball. Too bad...Colbrun! Ugh!Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
This is one of the many examples
I use as to why Gillick was a mediocre GM. Colbrunn was a good idea, but giving up a first-round talent for him, no way in hell.Brian- Tucson actually has two of the best prospects in baseball in Jackson and Carlos Quentin. Quentin is actually one of the best prospects in the game and you should be thankful you get to see them both on a regular basis.
Sergio Santos isn't half bad himself.
Trent - July 19, 2005
Mediocre is too harsh
and down right lousy isn't fair. Average GM is a much better assessment.Trent - July 19, 2005
Over react much?
Man, you can't expect the guy to just rake. He's getting MLB at bats. He's performed and gotten better at every level of the minors.Calm down. If GMs had your patience, teams would be a mess.
PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
People applauding for pat borders
well that explains why is he in the lineupBorders!!
Goose - July 19, 2005
My world is upside down
What just happened?Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
I thought that was gone
but I'll take itGoose - July 19, 2005
Hmm
Aaron Sele and I have the same mitt.BrianV - July 19, 2005
Re: Hmm
Aaron Sele and I have the same talent.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Sele...
diePLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Campillo can't heal fast enough
although AZL guys are having success similar to him placing a ball on a tee.Trent - July 19, 2005
Ok.
So Sele didn't weasel out of this one.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Sele
At least he's only giving up dribblers and bloops with nothing hit hard (dripping with sarcasm)Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
5.04
and rising...Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Maybe
Franklin can take his rotation spot tonight afterallBrian2412 - July 19, 2005
Damn you Sele
Goose - July 19, 2005
The difference
Between earlier in the year and now is that I have confidence in our lineup to get those runs back.Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
I really really really really like Adrian Beltre
But shut up, Fairly, it shouldn't have taken him half a year.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Sweet Lou on his ejection after
he exploded on the ump in the D-Rays-Red sox gameChatting with a sense of playfulness Tuesday, Piniella said he threw his hat while he argued, but didn't get to kick it.
"Somebody stole my prop," Piniella said with a chuckle. "You've got to have a little fun."
Piniella expects to be fined by Major League Baseball's disciplinarian, Bob Watson, a former teammate of Piniella's.
"Bob's a good guy," said Piniella, still smiling. "I like Bob. [But] he likes to fine me for whatever reason. Maybe I didn't buy him enough dinners [when they were teammates]."
lol
Goose - July 19, 2005
Gotta love Lou
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Fuck You Sele
I hate your parents.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
That's what he wanted to throw
all right.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
What did borders tell him to
throw a fastball down the middle?Goose - July 19, 2005
I wonder
what borders CERA is now, it can't be that good any more. Maybe the M's will realize that he's useless.Grant H - July 19, 2005
Sele . . .
is an assclown. trade him.The Dude - July 19, 2005
For what?
shoelaces?Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Why
would you give up shoelaces to make your team worse?Grant H - July 19, 2005
Fuck, man . . .
I'd take it.The Dude - July 19, 2005
Depends on the shoelaces.
Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Agreed
I HATE AARON SELE. The man throws batting practice stuff.Gomez - July 19, 2005
i would take neon shoelaces at this point
9k - July 19, 2005
Ron Fairly can't count.
" . . . and that's what the mariners have to do now that they're 4 runs dow- no wait . . . three runs down."The Dude - July 19, 2005
A USC education
in Ron's day was not what it is these days.bluemax - July 19, 2005
that should be an error on richie was well
he should of had thatGoose - July 19, 2005
Sigh...
A base hit here and I'm conceding the game.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Is it me
or is that bat as big as Hill?Trent - July 19, 2005
Fuck you Shiggy
Don't ruin your trade statusTrent - July 19, 2005
If I hear "good to go" one more time
I'm lighting somebody's face on fire.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Trade Value
++++++++Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
big woop
nobody on baseGoose - July 19, 2005
Atta boy, Winn.
Get traded.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Winn starting
his second half tair again. Too bad he's gonna get traded.BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Yea!!
A power hitting corner OF!!!Trent - July 19, 2005
Damn!!!!
Vernon Wells! That was a run!BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
damn you wells
nice playGoose - July 19, 2005
I've said this a lot
but I really like Vernon Wells.Trent - July 19, 2005
"The ball jumps out of here"
Is Ron Fairly's "good to go."Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
ugh
Goose - July 19, 2005
Fairly
flipping out in the booth. Really wanted Winn to hit the cutoff man, I guess.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Poof
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
and the hit train just keeps on coming
Goose - July 19, 2005
how many consecutive doubles is that?
Goose - July 19, 2005
And that...
...should just about ice this game...Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Wow
They just keep coming.BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
well at least it isnt a double
10-4Goose - July 19, 2005
Hasegawa....
Go swallow bleach.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Ron Fairly
Shut up already.JLC - July 19, 2005
In this losing cause
Fairly seems even more annoying than usual.BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
The good thing about games like this
is that I have no reason to stick around for the rest of the blowout.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Hasegawa
Still trying to pull ahead of Sele in the "Most-worthless-trading-chip-on-the-Mariners-25-man-roster" race.JLC - July 19, 2005
Reed damn near hit that out
but a triple is the next best thing.Although it wont do a damn bit of good.
Goose - July 19, 2005
Reed....
Seriously, you are a 23 year old. That was the slowest triple I have ever seen.However, that was the furthest hit he's had on the season.
PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Ron Fairly, MD
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Oh great, Lopez is injured
Goose - July 19, 2005
hmmm, some popcorn chicken sounds good
right nowGoose - July 19, 2005
Lopez with a sac fly
Goose - July 19, 2005
Oh. Cool.
Ichiro Doubles.6-10.
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
am i alone . . .
in feeling sick to my stomach whenever I see Thornton throw a baseball?The Dude - July 19, 2005
7-10
hmmm....Goose - July 19, 2005
Wooh!
Ibanez.7-10.
Can someone shut up Fairly.
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
No question
Fairly is on a roll tonight.SEXSON!!!!!
Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
OMG!
WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooBeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
SO SEXY!!!!!
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
9-10
holy shitGoose - July 19, 2005
Holy sheit.....
BIG SEXY!!!PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
SEXON . . .
Is fucking rad. We got just what we expected.The Dude - July 19, 2005
way to go...sextion 21
i'd still take shoelaces for shiggy and sele.... two pair.9k - July 19, 2005
I'm glad I hung around for that
Sexson!!Trent - July 19, 2005
RICHIE SEXSON!!
HOLY SMOKES!!!JLC - July 19, 2005
My God...
Sexson swings like he has T-Rex arms and the ball just flies. It's unreal.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
I'm sure Blue Jay fans
might trade this dude for Sele about now...Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
Man...
Beltre is slow.Devin - July 19, 2005
Looked like
He thought it was foul and hesitated.Oh well. Blue Jays still suck.
JLC - July 19, 2005
Re: Man...
I don't think that he thought that was going to be a fair ball.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
What a crazy game...
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
*whistles*
No, I didn't leave for a little while...Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
May want to reconsider
your decision to come back.Trent - July 19, 2005
This always happens.
Weak.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Thornton....
Just the man for the "shut down inning" job.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
why is thorton in this game?
Goose - July 19, 2005
Cuz
They're gonna score anyways, so we gotta give em a helping hand.BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
LOL
Damn.9-12
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Fuck off Thorton
Goose - July 19, 2005
Somebody please take Matt
out to pasture.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
You Fucking Abortion
I've never seen a hard throwing Lefty get torched by lefties the way Thornton does.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Heh.
How do you really feel?Trent - July 19, 2005
Ricky?
I wonder what those two did during the All-Star Break...Brian2412 - July 19, 2005
So much for all that work Jeff......
Guess those good mechanics from Thornton were a 1-time thingBaltimoreMarinersFan - July 19, 2005
5.15, 4.66, 5.57
ERA's of our pitches so far in today's game.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Haha
Anyone notice how the Twins stop scoring the few runs that they were, after they got Boone? Is it just a coincidence?BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
I think Boone is like
1-14 since joining the twinsGoose - July 19, 2005
His stat line is
3-21. For a .143 Avg and a .182 OBP. LMAOBeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
HAHA
Did any of you get the "Emergency Broadcast" when Price went out to the mound?PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
So here is my plan
Is it possible to have Thornton miss his flight out of Toronto and have him hitch hike back to Seattle?Or better yet, how about placing him in the woods with a tape recorder around his neck and the theme form 'Deliverance' playing. Everyone knows that gay woodsman cannot resist the sound of a banjo.
Trent - July 19, 2005
Screw that...
Make him take every flight in the landing gear. Every flight that he successfully completes he can stay with the team.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
Heh
Nice.We could also have him undergo a freak fall down the stairs type injury.
Press Conference:
Thornton - "Well I was walking down the stairs and I hear these foot steps and I feel a firm pus-"
(scans room and see's Bavasi shaking a fist at him)
Thornton - "and I feel a, a, I just fell. No more questions."
Trent - July 19, 2005
The V-chip
is it possible to have it block out the innings when Thornton and Sele are pitching and have it replaced with some old Bugs Bunny cartoons?Trent - July 19, 2005
Re: The V-chip
"The V-chip prevents children from viewing television shows featuring sex, violence, bad language, adult situations, and toolsy left-handed relievers..."Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
I love this quote from Pekelsoksjfbsk
"We, basically, just changed our minds," said Lee Pelekoudas, Seattle's assistant general manager. "We probably jumped the gun on announcing too quickly. We slept on it over night and decided to stay the course, for the time being."I'm not a MLB official, but I'm pretty sure that this violated some rule.
Trent - July 19, 2005
hmmmm....
Why not say some BS like, "We re-evaluated Hansen's elbow this morning and determined that he's not quite ready."Noe everyone knows that Hansen isn't REALLY hurt.
PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
That was my thought
I'm pretty sure that once you announce a roster move, it's quasi-official. The fact that he came out and said what he did, I wouldn't be surprised to see MLB get involved.Trent - July 19, 2005
getting picked off by pat borders
demands that you perform hara kiri.Goose - July 19, 2005
Being Pat Borders
demands that you perform hara kiri.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
LOL, nice
that made me chuckleGoose - July 19, 2005
Being Pat Borders
gets you discounts at restaurants and golf courses.Trent - July 19, 2005
Damn...
The Blue Jays are getting Pat Bordown3d.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Borders throwing two people out?
in one game?Goose - July 19, 2005
Holy Moses...
Great call by the ump on that one.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Sexson...
I will lap your bag if you go deep here.PLU Tim - July 19, 2005
That sounded soooooo wrong
Goose - July 19, 2005
How is Batista's K rate so low
with stuff as good as he's got?Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
This game
is going to last four friggin' hours.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
10-12
Yeah RichieGoose - July 19, 2005
Time for Beltre
to grab the lead.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Haha
Exciting.Damn! That looked like a good hack.
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Doh!
Sounds like Beltre smoked that one. Let's go Morse!BaltimoreMarinersFan - July 19, 2005
Come On Morse!!!!
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Rizz
Was comparing Morse to Edgar. Ughgumbostu - July 19, 2005
Haha that was an odd time to bring up Edgar.
phil333 - July 19, 2005
God damn...
If Morse had tied the game, I don't think I could ever say a negative thing about him again.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Pat Borders due up next inning
And Chris Snelling better be coming in to pinch hit or Hargrove is a complete ninny.JLC - July 19, 2005
umm isn't Snelling in the minors now?
phil333 - July 19, 2005
No. They decided to not send him down after all
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Heh.
Someone hasn't been paying attention to the news today.Hansen's back on the DL (or still on the DL, depending on which way you look at it), and Snelling's on the bench.
Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
My bad
Internet was down most of today. Didn't get to check much. Still down actually, but I got on someones wireless connection :)phil333 - July 19, 2005
I wish Mateo was in the game earlier...
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Snelling for Lopez.
Not for Borders.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Snelling pinch hitting for Lopez!
Goose - July 19, 2005
Haha
and then Spiezio!BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
WOOOOOO!!!!!
SNELLING!BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Snelling!!
DOUBLE!Goose - July 19, 2005
Spiezio for Borders.
That's game.Hooray, Chris!
Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Nah still 1 out!
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
That's for you Hargrove
You would get a lot more of that if you used him more.phil333 - July 19, 2005
Fuck! Don't swing!!!!
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
If Batista walks Spiezio...
I'm going to streak.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Spiezio
Could he have a worse piece of facial hair if he tried?Mariner John - July 19, 2005
and Spiezo does what he does best
Goose - July 19, 2005
That was straight down thet middle....
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
not exactly
a little outside, but it was a damn good pitch to hitGoose - July 19, 2005
Atta boy, Scott.
That's why you get the big bucks.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
ball game
Goose - July 19, 2005
Yay
Go clutch hitting!Mariner John - July 19, 2005
Unpredictable game...
Predictable result.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
Fun game to watch though
BeltredNOT - July 19, 2005
Why did Spiezio...
even bother bringing a bat to the plate?basebliman - July 19, 2005
In other news around the division...
Hank Blalock might've just saved Texas' season.Jeff Sullivan - July 19, 2005
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