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There are few better feelings for a guy who has to write every day than knowing that he doesn't have to write. Still, I feel a little guilty, so here's your quick Mariner news wrap-up:

-Richie Sexson's heel is sore, and in his own words, "it might be one of those things that lingers for a while." He then went on to say "I don't feel it when I swing," at which point everyone who had been listening stopped paying attention. Right now, I really couldn't give less of a hoot about Sexson's defense or baserunning. We're still waiting to hear our first official excuse for why his offense has fallen off the map, with "he's adjusting to a new league" no longer being a viable candidate and "maybe he just sucks" currently being used by someone else.

-from the same article, Raffy Chaves thinks he has the answer:

Chaves flicked drops of water (presumably not holy water) on players, coaches and the media, his way of combating the depression brought about by six consecutive Mariners losses.

You'll know the superstition has caught on when they stop closing the Safeco roof when it rains during home games.

-remember when Shin-soo Choo was being pimped as the next big thing after catching fire out of the gate? His overall line is down to .281/.347/.401 in 192 AB's, with a pathetic .289 SLG against southpaws. While his strikeouts are down from where they were a year ago, so are his walks, and he's got zero power to speak of. Outside of a terrific arm, there's nothing special here. Move along.

-surprising exactly no one, George Sherrill is good, and he's finally starting to get noticed. For his career, he's allowed just 20 hits to left-handed batters in 120 AB's, with 42 strikeouts and only five walks. He's had his share of trouble with righties, but Hargrove's been able to protect him from those situations for the most part, with positive results. There is a very short list of guys I'd rather have on the mound to face Eric Chavez in a big situation.

-the current AL All-Star Game lineup would feature exactly one player who is neither a Yankee nor a Red Sox. That player is Vladimir Guerrero, who ranks 11th among AL outfielders in OPS. Alexis Rios, who's slugging .645 and leads the league in batting average, is nowhere to be found. Neither is Nick Swisher, who apparently isn't even listed on the ballot. Missing from the top five at their respective positions are Jose Lopez and Kenji Johjima, along with Yuniesky Betancourt, the last of which is surprising only when you consider that Juan Uribe's .208/.243/.333 batting line has been good enough to convince 121,304 complete retards(^) that he's the best shortstop in the AL. I suppose that, since the All-Star Game is meant for the fans, it really should be a popularity contest rather than a nine-inning exhibition of the best players in baseball, but still, geez, people are idiots.

(^-I'm assuming that these people are too stupid to realize they can vote more than once.)

-with 1420 on the season, the Mariners have made more outs than anyone else in baseball.

-Mariner pitchers have also allowed home runs on 15% of outfield flies, the second worst rate in the league (Toronto, 19%). This will come down over the course of the summer, and rather quickly if Felix ever discovers that his fingers are capable of aligning themselves in several different positions along the seams when throwing a baseball.

-as of 11:04pm PDT, Mike Hargrove still manages the M's.

-the Mariners are facing a lose-lose situation with this upcoming four-game set against Kansas City. A sweep means nothing - they're the Royals, for God's sake - but anything less than three wins will probably just about obliterate whatever's left of the fan base. Curse Allard Baird and David Glass for putting us in this position.

-7:05pm, tomorrow night. I won't blame you if you don't tune in.

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We're all avoiding having to say it
but we can only beat around the bush for so long.

One of us must kill Mike Hargrove.

:looks around the room:
Why is everybody looking at me!
I'm sure Petagine'll do it
Completely OT but I found this funny
"Justin Verlander, apparently struggling with a cut on a finger, gave up six runs in five innings Thursday against the Yankees.
The 23-year-old Verlander wasn't crafty enough to use the blood to his advantage, instead choosing to wipe it off on his pant leg. The Tigers might want to bring in Gaylord Perry to mentor him for a few weeks."
LOL
Bloodball pitcher.  Imagine if a pitcher did that: cut himself before every start and bled on the ball before every pitch.
It's a brand new pitch....
...the Gothball.  Recognizable by its bloody stain, its generally depressed outlook on life, and its insistence on listening to Bauhaus between innings.
The black under the eyes
gives way to eyeliner, as Verlander draws an Anarchy symbol on the mound before each game.
I nominate
Gil Meche to be our Goth Ball experiment. He looks like he's about to cry half the time anyhow. Teach him how to hiss at people outside the food court at Westlake and he'd be genuine.
Our Mariners
As we head into a series with KC and no managerial change, the fans who follow the Mariners the closest seem to be fogged in by negativism and pessimism.  Maybe some perspective could be gained by considering a worse case scenario of how things could be.

Jose Lopez could still be struggling at the plate and struggling for a job.
JJ Putz could still be giving up homers by the dozen.
Yorvet whats-his-name could be our starting catcher.
Ryan Franklin could be starting every 5days.
Matt Thornton could be in the bullpen.
Heck, Scott Spezio could be our DH.
One of the AL teams could have taken charge by now.

Yes, things could be worse.  Yes, things could be worse.  Our manager may be terrible, our front office might be blind or stupid or both, but things could be worse.  

We have a decent team to root for.  They are not too far off the pace.  Lets smile a little and enjoy some Baseball.  Things aren't as bad as we seem to have come to think.

If we still had that junk on our team
I could actually forgive Hargrove for this team's suckiness.
Nothing is more depressing than optimism
Optimism is the madness of maintaining that everything is right when it is wrong.  -  Voltaire

Optimism: the noble temptation to see too much in everything.  -  G.K. Chesterton

Optimism: the doctrine or belief that everything is beautiful, including what is ugly.  - Ambrose Bierce

Optimist: A proponent of the doctrine that black is white.  - Ambrose Bierce

How the hell do we make so many outs??
lots of extra innings? I mean doesn't every team make at least 24 per game (assuming they have the lead)?
How the hell do we make so many outs??
Mostly because through May 31, the Mariners had played more games than any other team in the AL.
Rios
Rios isn't on the ballot either...
Yeah that annoyed me
I went to vote for both Rios and Swisher the other day and didn't see either. I used my write in votes on both.
Swisher has the highest WPA in the AL last count
And he's not on the ballot.  Absolutely incredible.
Re: Swisher
Quote from mlb.com:

WPA? What's that? Some sort of commie stat? But, hey, the Yankees are playing the Red Sox soon!

Vote early, vote often, vote Swisher
I've been writing him in a ton too.  I wonder how many votes he's gotten.

Uh, completely random, but today is Raul Ibanez's birthday.  Maybe he'll like, hit a home run or something.

Maybe
he'll get a Birthday Cake of London in the face.
Hargrove's Face...
Why isn't on a milk carton somewhere?  Bavasi's failure to act, on the off day (a logical and traditional move...something M's do too much of) will prove to be his downfall when the Royals take three of four from us...as the players appear flat and unmotivated (the equivalent of going on strike while at work....much like Beltre has done since coming here).  I used to be a Bavasi believer, now I hoping for two changes.  Right after the draft would be time to blow them both out and right the ship.
I'm with you on this...
this is the first time I've really been pissed at Bavasi too. Sure he's made a few moves that had us shaking our heads, but the non action after this road trip tells me Bavasi really doesn't give a shit about anything. Hargrove actually cost us at least one game on this road trip and several others over the course of the year. Is a 1-5 road trip really good enough to keep your job? I bet if he won the first game on the trip and lost the last 5 in a row there would be no question he'd be fired. But because the win was the last game of the series and was a blowout, he's no longer on the hot seat? Goddamn you Bavasi, you're next, fucker!
The sucky thing
is that firing him now is a damned if you do, damned if you don't decision, because of the win.  Had we lost all six games, the decision would've been easy: do it now.  In the minds of smarter fans looking over the long term, the decision is still easy: do it now.

However, you've got a large, relatively ignorant fanbase that would howl if you fired the manager after a win.  So if Bavasi does it, he ends up looking like an idiot to many, even if it's the smart thing to do... and we're not even assured this team would turn completely around if it happens.  If the M's still finish last, Bavasi's gone and the team can cite his unpopular decision to fire a manager after a win as evidence.

However, if he doesn't do it, the team continues it's stagnant, mediocre run and doesn't change.  And people continue to howl at him to fire the manager.

It's a tough spot for Bavasi and no matter what he does right now, people are gonna rip him.

Even the folks at KJR...
who I think most of us can admit, aren't really "sabr savvy" want to see him gone. I'm just sick that one win on the last fucking game on the trip will save his job!

I ACTUALLY HATE HIM!! I've never detested a manager before, but Hargrove until Tuesday did absolutely nothing proactive and because his team decides to hit for ONE DAY, he's still there.

I keep checking this site every hour or so hoping to see the words "Hargrove fired". And with every passing minute I keep getting madder and madder at Bavasi for not doing anything. I really don't think any fans are stupid enough to think that one win on a horrible roadtrip is a reason to keep a manager, but I guess it's possible from anyone who's seen "Jaywalking" on the Tonight Show. And Bavasi has apparently checked his brain at the door. I'm just so pissed at this team right now.

Really?
but Hargrove until Tuesday did absolutely nothing proactive and because his team decides to hit for ONE DAY, he's still there.

I'm no Hargrove defender, I want him gone as much as the next person, but I'm not sure where the idea that if the M's had lost Wednesday he'd be fired yesterday, merely because it was an off day, came from.

Wishcasting is fun, but ultimately frustrating - if these Mariners have proven anything to me, it's that they don't tend to do what's in the best interest of winning.  Why should the Hargrove ax-fall be any different?  If he survives this weekend, he's there until at least the All-Star break, probably.

Note that just because I'm saying this doesn't mean I'm happy about it.  I want to be proven wrong, I want Hargrove gone; I just don't think that the M's are savvy enough to do what we all want when we all want it to be done.

Maybe I should just move to NY...
and root for a the fucking Yankees. At least then I know I'd have an owner who gave a damn about winning.
You don't have to move to NY...
...to be a Yankee fan.  Just buy a hat and lop 75 points off your IQ.

Disclaimer to any Yankee fans reading:  I come from a long line of 'em.  I'm just busting balls here.

I come from a long line of
non-Yankees fans so fuck the Yankees.  I think that most people visiting this site would agree that they hate the Yankees more than any other sports team.  I'm pretty sure that the hat and IQ requirements are similar with Red Sox fans too.
Not me.
Maple Leafs and Angels are higher on the list.
Yankees and Philadelphia Eagles
Angels are probably third.
Hatred: sports
  • Angels
  • Lakers
  • Duke men's basketball
  • Dallas Cowboys
  • USC football
I'm sure there are others my subconscious is fighting not to remember.  I'll let you know at I think of them.
One of my old buddies is a Yankee fan
He was PISSED when the D'Backs beat the Yankees in '01.  I had many laughs at his expense.  I remember hanging out at a bookstore, and we'd get to a magazine rack.  He'd pull a retrospective mag with the D'Backs on the cover and he'd hiss, "FUCK THEM!  FUCK THEM!!!"

I wasn't in town when the Red Sox won it.  I could only imagine his reaction to THAT.

haha same here.When the Red Sox beat the Yankees
my friend denounced the Yankees and said he was gonna be a Cardinals fan.That lasted about 6 months.
I had the good fortune
To be at Game 7 at the BOB.  Had the crappiest seats in the house (next to last row, section 301, high above the right field foul pole) , but I didn't care, because I can say to all the future generations of my family that I saw the Yankees puke up a world series in person.  You can't put a value on good times like that.
After reading all your comments...
I have come to my senses. I was extremely angry not only because Hargrove was still employed, but because I told everyone he was as good as fired when the trip ended and of course we've sen what has transpired.

2001 was the best I've felt in my life as a baseball fan, even after the Mariners loss hangover, and the fact that the Yankees got beat in the World Series made me feel that all was right with the world. Lucky you for being there pdb.

As far as teams I hate:

Yankees #1 - because of Steinbrenner

Oakland #2 - because they beat us every year whether we're good or bad

Angels #3 - I know you all hate them because of their fans, I just find it amusing

Dallas Cowboys #4 - Jerry Jones and their chain gang

Braves #5 - Used to be a fan until 1999, got sick of them losing and since there is no hometown connection, ditched my rooting effort

Umm,,,
The 1999 Braves weren't what I'd call 'losing'. At all.
  1. Germany's soccer team.
  2. Maple Leafs
  3. Angels
  4. Manchester United
  5. Yanks/ChiSox/RedSox
What do you have against the Krauts?
I felt bad for them after their choke job four years ago, because Brazil is basically the Yankees of world Soccer. I'm rooting for Spain this time around after the refs jobbed them last time around.
By losing, I mean choking...
Buffalo Bills style
Jim Rome is a jerkbag
but he came up with the greatest nicknames.  He dubbed the 90's Dallas Cowboys 'The Crackwagon'.
Re: Choo
Well, if we are willing to accept the fact that he will never be anything more than a AAAA player or a fourth outfielder at best, why not use his best assest (his arm) by converting him to a pitcher, like we did with Sori a few years back?!?!?!

Is this a possibility?

Highly, highly unlikely.
That generally only happens when a guy looks totally hopeless at the plate, which Choo certainly doesn't.
The fact that Grovers not gone
Is mind boggling.
Phone Call to Front Office...
Well, an interesting thread cropped up over on SportSpot.  One of the posters there dialed up the M's and spoke with someone.  Not sure with whom he spoke, but it's an interesting read on the Hargrove situation anyway...
All I can say....
is that is looming.  I can't give any specifics of course, but things were mentioned (not by my brother) by people of a little clout and closeness to the issue.
I would hope so...
....even these people aren't stupid enough to ignore what's happening....
while better than nothing
they should have been looming 6 weeks ago and this should have been the axe date.
Dam you elsid
and your unspecific insider information :)
It was at the past series...
not only by persons close to the issue, but by persons close to whom we are speaking of (please read between the lines, just a little)
Oh elsid
You're not doing pillow talk with Hargrove's daughter, are you?
Not quite...
a little closer than from the daughter, however still no pillow talk
O/U on attendence tonight
16,250.5
Under
I'm actually thinking of going tonight but only if nobody is there so i could move down really far or scoop up a deal from a scalper that was stupid enough to try to make money off the mariners this season.
It'd be funny
to walk up to one of the guys asking, "Anybody need tickets?" and saying, "Well, not really.  HAHAHAHAHAHA...."  and walk away.
I went to the game when Felix pitched vs detroit
on a sunny sunday and could have gotten 100 level 15 rows back for 15 bucks right before first pitch.  They've got to be even more desperate right now when the mariners are even worse.
Second game of the Baltimore series...
Devin and I bought $55 tickets for $20 apiece from a guy about an hour before the first pitch. The next day, we wound up sitting on the infield for the price of two $7 bleacher seats.

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