1) The Indians appear set to sign Kerry Wood to a two-year deal worth ~$20m, possibly with a 2011 option. All he has to do at this point is pass a physical. The Indians were never going to be players for JJ, but by taking a closer off the market, they've put pressure on teams like Milwaukee, St. Louis, and especially Detroit to get one of their own before it's too late. Expect Zduriencik's conversations about JJ to get a lot more interesting.
2) With Ben Sheets having one foot out the door and CC Sabathia officially out of the picture, the Brewers need rotation help, and they're going to explore their options. The Mariners, meanwhile, currently have more starters than they can use. Jarrod Washburn's name may come up, but the real dark horse here is Erik Bedard - the Brewers tried to get Bedard for JJ Hardy last July, and while Bedard's stock has dropped since what with the surgery and all, it's possible Doug Melvin may come calling again. I don't think Bedard's going to get dealt, nor do I think that now would necessarily be the right time to try and do so in the first place, but that's just something to keep an eye on. Where there's a possible solution to an obvious need, there tends to be a phone call or two.
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JI - December 10, 2008
SBN 2.0 can eat me
the bastard cut out the sub-comment of
“delicious”
JI - December 10, 2008
I thought the offers for Bedard last July were insulting?
Or were they insulting in comparison to what we gave up for him to begin with?
Robert - December 10, 2008
We're never going to get anything done if we compare that deal to any future deal.
JI - December 10, 2008
We could package Felix in hopes to get equal value.
Robert - December 10, 2008
He'll never pan out, it's been three seasons.
JI - December 10, 2008
Oh god please make think happen. please oh please oh please
*I know the Joyce trade is better. Shut up.
JI - December 10, 2008
Sorry, Bavasi doesn't work here any more.
eponymous_coward - December 10, 2008
The prospect turns out to be Rasmus.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
You are a respected voice around these pasrt and saying things like that is unfair.
It might confuse people.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
That makes a shit ton of sense
JI - December 10, 2008
I would do super backflips for a week
JLC - December 10, 2008
That would certainly solidify our outfield
Corco - December 10, 2008
Hell, I'd throw in Wlad
Corco - December 10, 2008
I'd throw in Wlad+.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
I'd give up Wlad, Rowland Smith, and a B-/C+ prospect
Corco - December 10, 2008
I don't know if I'd go that far, but close.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
That would be so so so so awesome.
.Taylor - December 10, 2008
mean spirited antagonizing of a downtrodden fanbase.
But man I would wet every pair of pants I owned if it were true.
abender20 - December 10, 2008
Ankiel and Rasmus for J.J.?
Am I high or this is a deal that any GM would take in a second?
esoteric - December 10, 2008
Oh wait, Matthew was being an asshole.
Dammit man, don’t kid about that. It’s hard to tell when you’re kidding.
esoteric - December 10, 2008
It was in response to JI's subject line.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
"the Brewers tried to get Bedard for JJ Hardy last July"
Reason number 354656534512345 why BIll Bavasi richly deserved to be fired. If that was an actual trade possibility, there were exactly two correct responses to that trade:
[ ] YES
[X] HELL, YES!
eponymous_coward - December 10, 2008
If that was true, we'd have to trade Putz
Only room for one JJ on a team
mariners124m - December 10, 2008
He'll have to put his middle name on the back of his jersey instead.
JLC - December 10, 2008
Would have been nice to get Hardy for Bedard, but talk about selling low.
After what we gave up to get Bedard, I would rather see what he can do for us in the first half of 2009.
Wilder. - December 10, 2008
Spontaneously combust?
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
Maybe that cyst will do more damage than we think.
Dave Dravecky(note: I cannot see actual video on campus. I don’t know if it works or not.)
Wilder. - December 10, 2008
shut up shut up shut up
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
It's time to forget about what we traded to get him
Remembering that isn’t going to help any future negotiations.
Jeff Sullivan - December 10, 2008
Going down with the ship isn't a good plan at this point
JLC - December 10, 2008
You would make a horrible captain.
JI - December 10, 2008
I'd take two lifeboats before anyone sounds the alarm for abandoning ship
One is for sitting, the other for putting my feet up.
JLC - December 10, 2008
and you'd want a third for toting all of the ship's lifejackets and food, so you don't get hungry.
abender20 - December 10, 2008
A healthy Bedard is worth more than Hardy
JI - December 10, 2008
That's more of what I was going for.
Wilder. - December 10, 2008
A healthy Bedard is a mythical creature
known only in legend.
Llewdor - December 10, 2008
Money? Years?
Sky Kalkman - December 10, 2008
Trade market
JI - December 10, 2008
I would be more likely to commend Bavasi for turning down a trade for a team that fired him the month before.
Robert - December 10, 2008
I was wondering when somebody else was going to notice/say something about that.
CstSnow - December 10, 2008
Jeff, where did you get the Hardy/Bedard trade note?
msb - December 10, 2008
crap. hit send too fast.
all I found from last summer was a Stark note that “Clubs that have checked in with the Brewers say they’re being so aggressive in their hunt for a big-time starting pitcher, they might even be willing to include J.J. Hardy or Rickie Weeks "in the right deal.” " and nothing that actually linked the two players and/or teams as a trade possibility.
msb - December 10, 2008
Email
Jeff Sullivan - December 10, 2008
be interesting to know just what all else might have made up 'the right deal' at the time
and what his DL stint before the deadline might have done to impact what they wanted
msb - December 10, 2008
Rick Ankiel
One of the things that interests me about St. Louis and JJ rumors is the possibility of adding Rick Ankiel— I know he’s a free agent after next season, but that might be enough time for us to get some of our outfield prospects up to speed.
It would be nice if we could get him and some other high-level prospect.
batura - December 10, 2008
Of course it would be nice
because it’s asking way too much. Pretty much a pointless trade for both teams.
JI - December 10, 2008
Really?
The Cards, obsessed with roles (read Three Nights in August) would get a great closer, and we would fill an outfield void for next year. I have no idea how the Cards are stacked for outfield depth, but there is a need on both sides.
batura - December 10, 2008
Ankiel for Putz hurts the Cardinals
and is pointless for the Mariners unless, of course, you think the Mariners are going to compete next season.
JI - December 10, 2008
As a simple fan, I would love to watch Ankiel for a year.
But yeah, it doesn’t make much sense for the future. Betting on him to give us a draft pick or two when he leaves would be quite a stretch. He just squeaked in as a Type B for his offseason.
Teej - December 10, 2008
I still find it anmazing that the Cards are shopping him
considering he’s LaRussa’s favorite son.
Yeah, he’s super talented and could be healthy andgood here a year, but then what?
Are we gonna sign Ben Sheets and make over the middle infield? It doesn’t work unless there a bunch of other retooling done.
JI - December 10, 2008
I don't understand it either
I know we have outfielders coming out the ass in St. Louis, but which one of them are going to come up and be ready now? Duncan is a bust either way you look at it, Rasmus would need the better half of this year to be fully prepared after being injured most of last season. This leaves the Cards with Ludwick, Schumaker and Mather if they trade away Ankiel, which doesn’t sit well with me
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
From what I've read
Duncan’s injury is pretty serious and he can’t be counted on to play in the majors this year.
JI - December 10, 2008
And Duncan is an outfielder
as much as Jeff Clement is an outfielder
JI - December 10, 2008
Agreed
Just give us Ramus instead.
Robert - December 10, 2008
Give us Felix
JI - December 10, 2008
Erik Bedard is really good.
Robert - December 10, 2008
Not any more
JI - December 10, 2008
Shut your dirty whorish mouth Robert
go find a box to unpack
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
I know some boxes Robert will never unpack.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
He's gonna get stuck?
JI - December 10, 2008
They're encased in blister packaging.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
I think this metaphor needs a little more work.
JI - December 10, 2008
Metaphor?
Matthew - December 10, 2008
You didn't use like or as
JI - December 10, 2008
I don't think it needs either
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
It's not a simile
JI - December 10, 2008
Go write a series preview jackass
Robert - December 10, 2008
Series Preview: Robert vs Blister Packaging
Matthew - December 10, 2008
I almost impaled my self on a XBox packaging
Robert - December 10, 2008
How did you manage that?
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
Marlins Apparently Offered....
….Jeremy Hermida.
Presumably for one of our AA/AAA catchers. That’s not a horrible thought.
MacMariner2 - December 10, 2008
If the catcher the Marlins want isn't Clement, then hell yes I do that deal.
Marcel has him pegged for a .788 OPS, and Bill James has him down for .822…not to mention UZR had him at only
3, and +/has him at +7 from 2006-2008, so it’s possible he’s at least an average fielder. I’d swap Moore or Johnson for him…maybe even throw in a lesser prospect, like a relief arm. Maybe give them Gaby Hernandez back or something.BrettJMiller - December 10, 2008
Stupid internet formatting a strike I didn't want in there. It should read that UZR had him at only -3
And plus/minus has him at +7
BrettJMiller - December 10, 2008
.
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
That would have been pretty kind of Texas to give us a player from another team, though.
Teej - December 10, 2008
Dammit, I read to fast again.
I need a Taylor H rule.
Teej - December 10, 2008
.
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
I wonder if they'd jump for Johnson + some Thoroughly Mediocre RHP.
BrianL - December 10, 2008
Adam Moore is going to be a very nice player or trading chip
At this point I think I’d rather hold onto him to see where Clement ends up.
Edgar for Pres - December 10, 2008
Royals close to reacquiring Horacio Ramirez
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/931290.html
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
Yayyyy Ho-Ram. Now lets hope KC trades for Yuni to field all the balls that opposing hitters scorch off of Ramirez.
abender20 - December 10, 2008
Dayton Moore is a god damn fool
Jeff Sullivan - December 10, 2008
but he's Schuerholz's prodigy :(
Corco - December 10, 2008
Chuck LaMar was pretty predominant in the Braves org
JI - December 10, 2008
More like
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
hooray a .gif I understand
Corco - December 10, 2008
It's a .jpg
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
fuck
Corco - December 10, 2008
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/9/687464/this-doesn-t-even-make-sen
JI - December 10, 2008
Trade Talks on JJ are starting to stall
Joyce was the only name that ever got me really excited anyway. Well, Joyce and Rasmus. But Rasmus sounded too good to be true from the beginning; if Rasmus name ever got mentioned in this context, I’m sure it was about removing St. Louis’s log jam.
philosofool - December 10, 2008
Trading Rasmus for Peavy would be dumb
So I’m sure he’d be available for Putz.
Seriously, Rasmus = Adam Jones as far as the Cardinals are concerned. He’s not going anywhere for an injury reclamation project.
JI - December 10, 2008
According to whom?
Teej - December 10, 2008
PI apparently.
I saw a story about it mentioned on Rotoworld earlier.
Coach Owens - December 10, 2008
there's a lot of time between now and ST
msb - December 10, 2008
Who mentioned Rasmus
Matthew - December 10, 2008
You did, remember?
Corco - December 10, 2008
`
Matthew - December 10, 2008
what?
Corco - December 10, 2008
`
Matthew - December 10, 2008
Please delineate in terms I can understand
Corco - December 10, 2008
No thanks.
I’ll leave it for Jeff to get.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
I get the joke, but I will not share it with him.
InSpokane - December 10, 2008
nooo
:(
Corco - December 10, 2008
Aww take some pity on the guy
Here’s a hint:
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
I understand derivatives, summation, elements, and science working
but I don’t understand how its supposed to be funny
Corco - December 10, 2008
try
d=m/v
InSpokane - December 10, 2008
RDRR
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
.
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
So Matthew is calling me dense?
Corco - December 10, 2008
I thought he was saying "OH"
JI - December 10, 2008
Oh I get it
Corco - December 10, 2008
Os, Osmium highest density metal
InSpokane - December 10, 2008
What relevance does this have?
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
...
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/12/10/688662/two-things#10608959
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
He wasn't serious
JI - December 10, 2008
http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/27/jarrod-washburns-success-is-sustainable-and-he-should-command-a-high-price/
Corco - December 10, 2008
This is so confusing.
JI - December 10, 2008
Offbeat comments in comment threads get taken seriously and eventually become rumours
Corco - December 10, 2008
I read that the Mariners have had preliminary discussions
about trading JJ Putz, Adrian Beltre, Jeff Clement, and Wlad Balentin for Ryan Braun and Bill Hall.
JI - December 10, 2008
That's a weirdly fascinating trade
Corco - December 10, 2008
This would be very interesting
However, you still have Braun in the outfield, and he may as well have the same skillet for defensive skills as Raul
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
Raul at 25, yeah
But not Raul at 35
JI - December 10, 2008
?
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/12/8/686861/winter-meetings-open-threa#10556653
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
SKillet!
Slurvey - December 10, 2008
No, I meant to put skillet
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
Spell check is a sexy but dangerous wench
JI - December 10, 2008
Plus, your a dick
JI - December 10, 2008
why don't you go fry some bacon in that skillet?
mmmm bacon.
abender20 - December 10, 2008
Butter your BACON!
Bacon your Sausage!
Slurvey - December 10, 2008
Peace offering.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
awwwww
Thought the differently colored head and arms make it look like it’s losing circulation
JI - December 10, 2008
I find it more cute that way.
Plus it reminds me of Gir for some reason.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
Better
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
Agreed
JI - December 10, 2008
What a horribly racist product.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
But incredibly funny
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
As much as I think this may be crazy...
That may be giving up too much.
abender20 - December 10, 2008
I don't think I'd pull the trigger on it
Corco - December 10, 2008
We'll be all the way there once Dave starts taking us to school
for our bad evaluations of completely made up trades.
JI - December 10, 2008
God damn it would be easy to start
legitimatemlbtraderumors.com
With the LL machine behind me, it would spread as quickly as tRA
JI - December 10, 2008
id rather start illegitimatetraderumors.com
that would spread WAY faster.
first rumor – Yankees trade A-Rod to the Padres for Peavy. There. A rumor.
abender20 - December 10, 2008
No one will believe that
JI - December 10, 2008
nah yankee fans are idiots.
abender20 - December 10, 2008
You're missing the point.
JI - December 10, 2008
You don't say.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
I was being sarcastic.
JI - December 10, 2008
We're all such pricks I can't even tell any more.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
I had the exact same thought
JI - December 10, 2008
k douche
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
youre mom
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
I heard the prospect was John Jay
Graham MacAree - December 10, 2008
I heard it was Pujols
seattlebruin - December 10, 2008
Liar. They wanted to trade Ozzie Smith
abender20 - December 10, 2008
No, still wrong
Bob Gibson
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
Hmmm...
Vatinius - December 10, 2008
Bullshit the prospect is Tyler Greene
Those of us who are lovesick for Richie Sexson will be pleasantly surprised.
JI - December 10, 2008
In other news, the Nationals have made Mark Teixeira an 8/$180 offer.
No possible way that could work out badly!
esoteric - December 10, 2008
I <3 Jim Bowden
Corco - December 10, 2008
This is the ultimate test to see how crappy of a place Washington D.C.
is to be
JI - December 10, 2008
WHOA!
I guess they were legit…
Slurvey - December 10, 2008
Alright Stoneman's replacement GO GO GO
JI - December 10, 2008
Ideal winter for us:
Angels sign Fuentes and Raul, trade for Michael Young.
I’d give up sex for the rest of 2008 if this happens.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
You've already given up sex for the entire year.
2009 and 2010 as well, or so I’m told.
esoteric - December 10, 2008
But Super Bowl XLV is going to mt sexmore so it will be worth it
Robert - December 10, 2008
uh
Corco - December 10, 2008
Too easy
JI - December 10, 2008
I throw up an alley-oop for the people here and these are the responses it ends up with?
Y’all are pathetic and need to go back to humor boot camp.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
We're afraid of you.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
Future hint:
I’m not so stupid as to unintentionally leave myself as such an easy target. However, if the best you can come up with is vocal filler or a put down that would make an 11-year-old cringe, don’t bother.
Matthew - December 10, 2008
Still too frightened to try.
BrianL - December 10, 2008
I'm afraid that you're misanthropic enough to do it just to ban people.
Aaron Campeau - December 10, 2008
Speak for yourself.
JI - December 10, 2008
Yes?, No it didn't, that's been a thread for three seasons so don't act like it wasn't coming.
JI - December 10, 2008
Well, JI's finally gone insane.
Coach Owens - December 10, 2008
Yeah that would suck.
Eyebrows - December 10, 2008
21 days without sex is nothing
Ask Robert
Sec 108 - December 10, 2008
Oh snap.
Coach Owens - December 10, 2008
`
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/12/10/688662/two-things#10616567
Matthew - December 10, 2008
Why are you pointing out your comment?
Coach Owens - December 10, 2008
He's becoming dangerously insane because of this with his trying to correlate the lack of sex with sports winning percentage
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
Robert - December 10, 2008
Haha Robert, you can't crash my computer
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
I never dreamed this avatar would be this useful
JI - December 10, 2008
I am willing to triple the worth of Matthew's offer by throwing in a shiny nickle
Robert - December 10, 2008
So apparently JJ Putz ----> Mets
P Brady - December 10, 2008
Que?
BrianL - December 10, 2008
Didn't they just sign a closer?
Fuzz - December 10, 2008
Via Rosenthal
8:46 p.m. — Mets trying to land M’s Putz
The Mets are working to acquire a setup man for new closer Francisco Rodriguez — and that setup man would be another closer from the American League West.
J.J. Putz could be headed to the Mets in a three-team trade with the Mariners and Indians, according to major-league sources.
Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first-base prospect Mike Carp would be in the deal, as would Indians outfielder Franklin Gutierrez.
It is not yet clear which players are headed where.
P Brady - December 10, 2008
Aaron Heilman. :|
P Brady - December 10, 2008
There is now a new thread to discuss this
Jeff Sullivan - December 10, 2008
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