One proposal involved the Tigers sending Matt Joyce to Tampa Bay and outfielders Wilkin Ramirez and Casper Wells to Seattle. Putz was the only player the Tigers would have received. (Contrary to what was reported in Thursday's Free Press, infielder Jeff Larish and right-hander Freddy Dolsi were not involved at that stage.)
I'm not sure what Tampa Bay would've sent to Seattle in this one (Fernando Perez?), but considering the minimal price they paid for Joyce straight up, I think I'm a bigger fan of the trade we made.
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Hey, an example of where quantity beats out quality.
JI - December 14, 2008
Hmmm....
Would two more toolsy outfielders with a lot of strikeouts change the system dynamic for the better? I don’t think so. They can walk more than some of our guys, but the bust potential seems equally high.
I take the trade we made, I think.
JY - December 14, 2008
Stupid question?
But why not make this a two team deal? Joyce for Putz?
zeke5123 - December 14, 2008
Good question
I would assume because Zoidberg didn’t really want Joyce.
johnbai - December 14, 2008
Or Dombrowski didn't think of Putz as highly as he thought of Jackson.
Which kinda blows my mind, but I’m not putting anything past him right now.
Teej - December 14, 2008
Nah, this deal shows they'd be willing to give up Joyce to get JJ
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2008
I guess I'm misreading.
My head’s not on today.
Teej - December 14, 2008
I bet it's this one
I think Z was going for a CF the whole time (he’s more or less said that he was after Gutierrez from the start), and as good as Joyce is in the corners, I don’t think we’d want him in centre.
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2008
If we got Perez back too, I dunno
I think I’d still make the other deal because of the 5 other players we received.
JI - December 14, 2008
No but you can deal with Reed there
given the extra pop in LF.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2008
While I sort of agree with that on a roster construction level, it looks like Zduriencik did/does not.
That’s just my interpretation of the trade not happening, anyway.
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2008
True
and while you can pick nits here and there the return was very good (I just read what Churchill had to say about Cleto) and most importantly I like the style.
Z seems to focus on skills, not players if that makes any sense. I think he wouldn’t give a fuck about Gutierrez if there were another, more gettable guy with the same tools. BB would have gone on and on about his makeup and team spirit and traded Beltre for him.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2008
What the Rays front office did
Was go out for 2 years and grab a bunch of young talented guys, then once they had a framework of talent they fill in the holes. Maybe that’s what Z is trying to do. Grab a bunch of talent in looking towards the future and then after next season see how it all fits and plug holes.
staplemaniac - December 15, 2008
It would be defensible, certainly
but if Zduriencik walked in, took a look at the rotation and the roster, and said, “Holy crow [or some variant thereof], we gotta get some good gloves in the outfield,” I can’t argue with him for making that a priority.
The Ancient Mariner - December 15, 2008
Yuck
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2008
Very weird.
Can’t really judge it unless we know what was coming here from Tampa. Perez would make sense given that Gutierrez was a top target…
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2008
Considering Tampa Bay's glut of good outfielders
The returning player could have been Crawford or Zobrist, but I’m just blindly speculating. It’s obvious that Z was looking for a guy who could play center and play it well.
The Typical Idiot Fan - December 14, 2008
By the by
Joyce would easily replace whomever they lost, hence why I’m speculating on it being a current player for them.
The Typical Idiot Fan - December 14, 2008
I'd be surprised if it were Crawford
He’s their Ichiro
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2008
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