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On Heilman:

Jerry Manuel offered an alibi for Aaron Heilman's miserable string of outings. The interim manager revealed, and Heilman confirmed, the righty has been dealing with left knee tendinitis since spring training. Manuel said the problem affects Heilman's landing during his delivery and therefore his location.
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For his part, Heilman tried to minimize how much it has accounted for his 5.38 ERA. "There were probably a handful of games where I felt it affected me," said Heilman, who has appeared in just two games this month.

Now obviously all of the standard stuff applies here. Injuries are generally only mentioned when a player is underperforming, and for all we know Heilman's knee wasn't a contributing factor to his struggles at all. But where before I heard about this we had a list of X number of explanations for what went wrong in 2008, now our list has X+1 explanations, with the latest addition being a knee injury from which Heilman will presumably recover over the winter. And that, in turn, increases our projected odds of seeing him bounce back to being an effective, if not excellent pitcher again in 2009. It's simple math. Even just the possibility that this was the problem improves our perceived immediate outlook, if only by a little bit.

I don't know about you, but I'm excited to find out what Heilman can bring. Pitchers like him can cost a fortune when they're going well, but their value can drop considerably after a bad year, even if their stuff is intact. Heilman's stuff is intact. Technically, he has 50% more stuff than he had a year ago. It's just that his command went on the fritz last season, with disastrous results. He still throws a fastball in the mid-90s and a devastating changeup that misses bats more than 20% of the time it gets thrown, and even without mentioning his slider, guys like that make for good gambles when they're down. While there's obvious risk, there's also obvious upside, and Heilman has the potential to make last week's trade look like an absolute laugher. 

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Hopefully he isn't the only player to rebound from an injury

If the players who were “injured” rebounded and started displaying what they could really do…

"injured" ??
I think he means Morse.
I dunno

surgery for a subluxation would seem to be an injury, not an “injury”

Morse suffered a subluxation?

When? How did I miss that?

um

April?

It was one of the best things ever
Did he get a bad read/jump and then dove late for the ball?
Yes...I was at the game..it was after he misplayed a ball over his head. So he hesitated and dived all goofy.
AHEM! Read my avatar! ------>
That said...

Even I didn’t think Morse should’ve been playing the outfield, and I’m one of the last few Mike Morse fanboys on the planet remaining…

I'm assuming he meant Bedard, but I went with the snarky answer.
No bedard was injured...

I was referring to Silva/Batista…

as someone who has had back spasms?

that is also an injury.

He did make top plays this morning...
which top plays?

for the M’s this season?

that must have been a short reel
Tendinitis sucks

I could see how it could explain away his bad season. He wouldn’t really be physically limited by it, but his knee would just hurt like hell all the time. I could see somebody losing focus and control by that.

I knew his change was good, but I had no idea his fastball was that fast.
I would love nothing more than to get the last laugh on Mets fans who practically ran him out of town.
We should keep a running tally of potential improvements from aching issues

1) Aaron Heilman’s left knee tendinitis (healed over time?)
2) Adrian Beltre’s two-season-long torn ligament (had surgery in September)
3) Erik Bedard’s shoulder problems (cyst removed through exploratory surgery; good article here, btw)
4) Carlos Silva’s back issues (told to lose weight, issue pending….)

Man, if things break our way.

This team could play .500 ball. For the first time in a long time I can feel optimistic about the Mariners. Ironically, everyone will probably predict that they will suck, which would be the complete opposite of last year.

Batista also had back problems and Clement's knee is all funky.
Batista's back problems could actually help the team

that is, unless he tries to pitch through it.

Tendonitis?

If that were the issue, did he get a cortozone shot? Tendonitis brings pain, but doesn’t injur. Did he go get anesthetic patches? I got a box of lidocain patches. Dude needs to take care of himself. Knee pain is managable.

Not always that easy.

I’ve been battling knee tendinitis for 2 years now, and I’m an otherwise healthy 21 year old who takes good care of himself. Granted the stresses I put on my body are much different than the ones Heilman is putting on his (80+ miles a week competitive running vs. however much he pitches). That said, his medical team and facilities have got to be about a million times better than what my school provides, but still, it’s not always as easy as just saying “dude needs to take care of himself”. I’m pretty sure he’s spent a significant time over the last X months working on his knee – he’s a professional athlete. He’s not just sitting there wishing his knee would get better. Are you of the opinion that Bedard just needs to sack up and “get over it” as well?

Also, your spelling is atrocious. I know they’re not terribly common words but if you want to people to actually believe you know what you’re talking about you should probably be getting these right. Tendinitis, cortisone, injure, anaesthetic, lidocaine, and manageable. You were 4 for 11 in multi-syllable words. That’s bad. Methinks you don’t know as much about injury rehab as you’d like to think you do… just repeating what your PT says?

That said, I don’t see any way this ever puts him on the DL. It’s a nagging thing. If it’s bothering him we’ll see a couple bad outings followed by 2-5 days rest, bad outing, rest, etc with a couple good outings thrown in there. He might get the “Put on the DL for sucking” treatment at worst, but that’d basically just be a publicity move. Hope he’s spending the winter putting it behind him though.

I've had 6 knee surgeries.

And yeah, tendonitis is not an injury. Its pain. Differentiating between tendonitis pain and injury pain can be trickier. But there are ways to treat it. And I’ve had 15+ cortozone shots. It works remarkably well.

And quit being an ass on spelling.
That will not happen.

Spelling is important. Proper spelling makes you look like you know what you’re talking about.

CORTIZONE. it’s not hard.

I don't disagree but he could have been more diplomatic.
This is true.
Yeah, it was a bit much for someone with 26 comments.
I'm not too concerned about it.

It’s a touchy subject for me and I have a tendency to take personal offense when people say stuff like “he just needs to get over it” or “he just needs to take care of himself” when referring to an injury (which is what it is), especially one that I’ve been battling for years. But advice noted for the future.

Look up "injury" in any dictionary, medical or otherwise

Merriam-Webster online has it as “hurt, damage, or loss sustained”. I fail to see how knee tendinitis is not an injury. Sure it’s not as debilitating as a broken ankle, but broken ankle isn’t as debilitating as a spinal cord injury, yet it’s still an injury. And if you’re going to bring your personal experiences in, the fact that you have had a grand total of 15 cortisone shots and 6 surgeries tell me you never really addressed the root of the problem and instead just worried about masking the side-effects. I’d hope Heilman is more concerned about addressing what’s causing his tendinitis than simply numbing himself up and pitching through it. Pain is there for a reason.

Don't be mean unless you're sexy.
I might be sexy...

Who do I have to get to vouch for me?

One of the three people listed at the bottom of this screen.
I was afraid of that.

I’ll play nice now.

Not Trusting Heilman

As long as there’s this looming specter of sending Morrow to the pen, I’m finding it difficult to like Heilman. The Mariners have too many starting pitchers and Heilman “I want to start” is making me nervous that Morrow will become the closer.

I’m really hoping Heilman thinks that being the closer is sexy enough to give up his ambitions of starting.

I feel like there's a decent chance of this happening

Everything Z has said has indicated (to me) Morrow will get a fair chance at a starting spot and it sounds like that’s where he wants him. His dealing of JJ to NYM to go be a setup man despite JJ’s wishes to remain a closer also show a willingness to go against players’ wishes for the better of the team. If Bavasi was in charge I’d be much more worried about Heilman relegating Morrow to the bullpen than I am with Z. With Bavasi there would be a much greater chance of a “well he was requesting a trade so he could have a chance at starting, and he’s a tough veteran, so the least we could do is give him a shot and let Morrow close out games for a while” type attitude. I’m optimistic.

The decision will ultimately come down to Wakamatsu and his staff (as indicated by Zduriencik)

And he’s recently noted Heilman as a possible closer candidate (not Morrow).

Don't blame Heilman

for Bavasi signing a bunch of idiots.

speaking of Jerry Manuel

he also thinks he might have Frod and JJ share the closing duties….

It will be at least 70/30 JJ if

JJ is what he was in 2007 and Frod is not what he was in 2008.

They really overpaid for that bullpen.

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