The ninth in a non-alphabetical and irregularly updated series of review pieces for each(?) of the players we predicted last spring.
LL/USSM Community: .280/.355/.357
Actual Line: .234/.274/.338
If 2008 was the complete opposite of 2007, then Jose Vidro was the poster boy. After benefiting from a run of good luck two seasons ago that gave him the superficial appearance of being decent, last year Vidro's regression arrow overcorrected itself, and in so doing brought its host body back to Earth with a resounding thud, or thwock, or some other funny noise. Vidro came to the plate 308 times last summer, and among the 281 players with at least 300 PAs, his BA ranked 254th, his OBP ranked 278th, his SLG ranked 237th, and his wOBA* ranked 266th. He was 13 runs below average at the plate while logging only a half season of work. He did this as the team's designated hitter. If somebody were to ask you to explain what went wrong with the Mariners last year in 50 words or less, there are countless different directions you could go with your answer, but the easiest and most telling response would be pointing out that our DHs as a unit were out-hit by Paul Bako.
As we watched Vidro's long and successful career as an everyday player come to a close, there was no last gasp. There was no grand finale. There was only a whimper. Vidro's average never rose above .239, and only twice did he record extra-base hits in consecutive games. And as if his numbers weren't already embarrassing enough, on 13 occasions he was slotted in to bat cleanup, at which point even more attention was paid to his lousy performance. By the time the break came around, it had become apparent to everyone that Vidro was counting numbered days. It wasn't a matter of if he'd be cut; it was a matter of when, and how quickly.
The day finally came in early August. God only knows what Vidro's been doing since he got his release, but he sure as hell hasn't been playing any baseball. Two years ago, Bill Bavasi traded for a bat to help make the Mariners competitive, and today that bat can't find any work. The way the whole Vidro saga played out speaks so many volumes about our old leadership that someone ought to build a memorial library.
For whatever it's worth, Vidro wasn't as bad last year as his raw batting line would suggest. His .245 BABIP in no way did justice to his line drive rate, which remained the same as it was in 2007, and a few more grounders found gloves than one would ordinarily expect. If you apply a little healthy regression, Vidro's line jumps from .234/.274/.338 up to .269/.307/.373, which - well it's a lot better anyway. But here's the problem: not only is that still totally awful, but we also never should've had to watch him struggle that often in 2008 in the first place. Applying the same regression process to Vidro's 2007 spits out a .277/.349/.343 performance, which is down quite a bit from his raw .775 OPS. And that's a much better reflection of Jose Vidro's true talent. Anybody could've seen that Vidro was set for a major statistical decline, and a smarter GM might've braced himself by finding another bat and putting Vidro on the bench, but Bavasi kept on going with his blissful ignorance until his ignorance was no longer nearly as blissful. I know it's hard to reduce the role of someone coming off a .314 season, but when it comes to flukes, you have to be proactive. When Vidro's luck didn't return for a second helping, the Mariner offense was doomed.
At this point, with his regular career dead and buried, all Vidro has left to look forward to are a few years spent scrounging for bench gigs and NRIs. The end is seldom flattering. Meanwhile, we look to close a shameful chapter in Mariners history, a three-year period during which the only competent DH the organization had was assigned to play left field. Carl Everett was a bust, the Ben Broussard/Eduardo Perez platoon was a bust, and Jose Vidro was a bust. And while Vidro chose a strange path to follow, at the end of his time in Seattle, he'd amassed a batting line of .285/.344/.374 over 232 games, which you may recognize as being almost exactly what we expected him to do. Jose Vidro was not a surprise in 2007, nor was he a disappointment in 2008. Jose Vidro was what we thought he'd be, and while his numbers bounced around in every direction, his underlying skillset remained the same, and it wasn't a skillset built to DH. It was hardly a skillset at all.
Good riddance to you, Jose, and to everything you signified. Our disappointment with the trade was never about Chris Snelling or Emiliano Fruto; it was about you, and how you weren't in any way equipped to do the job you were given. And while we hated the deal at the time, it is only now that we are being run by a competent front office that we can truly appreciate just how stupid of an acquisition you really were. Turns out old, broken-down middle infielders don't make the best DHs after all. Who knew? It's good to learn lessons.
I can't believe we survived this.

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I'll miss his numerous rally-killing double plays.
(Not really)
Benne - December 21, 2008
I was going to go with a dollar per win comment
but the negative win value made my brain asplode
JI - December 21, 2008
But we're keeping Pepe, right?
Dewey N - December 21, 2008
Man...I really don't get how we made it through that front office and still remain Mariner fans sometimes.
It’s amazing, and amazingly stupid of all of us to have stuck with this team so long.
Luckily we get to bow our heads in honor of the great Z now.
BrettJMiller - December 21, 2008
It's like, sticking around at a crappy job long enough to finally receive that promotion that you wanted.
Fin - December 22, 2008
I think it had a little to do with Chris Snelling.
Matthew - December 21, 2008
Luckily for me I will get to re-experience that before ST!
JI - December 21, 2008
In honor of Jose Vidro, I'm going to go back and re-read that trade thread.
Goose - December 22, 2008
Low point of my Mariner fanhood.
Robert - December 22, 2008
Speaking of the DH, from Rotoworld:
Goose - December 22, 2008
Chris Shelton can catch.
Matthew - December 22, 2008
Is he any good behind the dish?
Sec 108 - December 22, 2008
If he was he'd still be a catcher.
JI - December 22, 2008
No, but you don't need him to be if all you need is emergency duties.
Matthew - December 22, 2008
How often to teams even go to their emergency catchers?
Robert - December 22, 2008
How many times did Bloomquist catch?
JI - December 22, 2008
I'm not going to be surprised if he's back on the team.
Willie Bloomquist ‘emergency’ catcher.
Kermit. - December 22, 2008
236 times since 1955
Matthew - December 22, 2008
So basically one team a season will go to it's emergency catcher
JI - December 22, 2008
And the difference between a DH and pitcher getting 4 AB in one year is gonna be insignificant
Compared the the value of having another relief pitcher or something. 3rd string catchers are basically the most worthless position you can have on a team in my opinion.
Edgar for Pres - December 22, 2008
Unless they can hit well or play more than one position.
JI - December 22, 2008
Inge?
Edgar for Pres - December 22, 2008
Shelton?
Graham MacAree - December 23, 2008
Or you could just be sensible and lose the DH if it were late enough in the game
JI - December 22, 2008
But Shelton is already a 'catcher' and on the roster
Graham MacAree - December 22, 2008
Yeah, it all depends on the situation
If there is a runner on and the score is within a run you’d probably want to go with a real catcher
JI - December 22, 2008
Sounds like it is more than likely going to be Johnson, according to the PI.
r0ry - December 22, 2008
No, that's just John Hickey
For whatever reasons, he’s completely unable to separate reality from his perceptions. For the last few years, he’s relentlessly pushed Cesar Jimenez and Rob Johnson as quality young players deserving of a full time job. For whatever reason, those two are his guys.
davidcameron - December 22, 2008
I'd rather go with a DH that can hit anyway
JI - December 22, 2008
God forbid if we had a catcher and DH who could hit
Scrupio - December 22, 2008
If our catchers' hit their projection
we’re fine
JI - December 22, 2008
If so, that is such a waste
Rob Johnson is almost a valuable prospect. Players like Rene Rivera deserve to be 3rd string catchers.
Edgar for Pres - December 22, 2008
"I can't believe we survived this."
I’m The Typical Idiot Fan, and I’m a Bavasi survivor.
The Typical Idiot Fan - December 22, 2008
Nitpick
Not being a pitcher, low BABIP is not necessarily a reflection of bad lick for Jose. Maybe he hit 20% line drives, but he also hit 50% GB, and I don’t expect he did very well on those. Ditto for his FB (13% IFF!). I don’t mean to make a big deal out of this, but he’s not the victim of exceptionally bad luck. He’s the victim of being exceptionally not good enough for the majors any more.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 22, 2008
And also bad luck
Jeff Sullivan - December 22, 2008
I should expand on this
same thing we looked at with Ichiro:
VIDRO, CAREER
GB: .230 BABIP
FB: .087
LD: .769
VIDRO, 2008
GB: .167
FB: .118
LD: .660
Even allowing for the fact that Vidro won’t beat out as many grounders as he used to, that’s still not a fair shake.
Jeff Sullivan - December 22, 2008
Not really worth pursuing
but what happens to his slash line when you only regress his LD BABIP? Can’t be very much.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 22, 2008
+5 hits
Jeff Sullivan - December 22, 2008
OK maybe
but you have to concede that the biggest part of it is just not being any good any more. No power, no speed, and beating the ball in to the ground isn’t going to make for a good BABIP. And while it seems like he fell off that cliff rather suddenly, we’ve seen it happen before (or simultaneously).
Bearskin Rugburn - December 22, 2008
Right
it was a combination of bad luck and bad talent.
Jeff Sullivan - December 22, 2008
Nope
The biggest part of it is luck, but some of the low BABIP can be attributed to beating the ball into the ground.
Graham MacAree - December 22, 2008
and the IFF
and the weak flies to the outfield. But especially the IFF.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 22, 2008
Well, his FB BABIP was abnormally high
The reason I like attributing this to luck more than talent decline is that 2007 makes ~0 sense otherwise
Graham MacAree - December 22, 2008
It's not an either/or.
He was the victim of both.
Matthew - December 22, 2008
Vidro's GB% was right at his career average last year. And he never was fast.
In fact, he hit more balls on the ground in 2007 than in 2008. The IFF% is obviously high, but it’s nowhere near enough to explain a guy losing ~160 points of OPS in one year.
He was lucky as hell in 2007, and the opposite was true in 2008. He sucks, but he’s not a .234/.274/.338 hitter.
Teej - December 22, 2008
I don't really blame Vidro for sucking because thats just what he does
He was basically put in a no win situation by Bavasi, who expected Vidro to bat like his peak seasons. I actually felt pitty for him last season. Trying to be an everyday player when he was best suited to be on the bench and get a couple at bats a week at most.
Scrupio - December 22, 2008
I liked Vidro
In Triple Play ’99, but good god what a difference 10 years can make.
JordanB - December 22, 2008
Not staying in shape can also shorten your career
Scrupio - December 22, 2008
Who would've thought?!?
JordanB - December 22, 2008
Well apparently not Vidro, or Yuni, or Lopez...
Scrupio - December 22, 2008
Or Griffey?
Sec 108 - December 22, 2008
Stop trying to impress Jeff
Graham MacAree - December 22, 2008
Impossible to do anyway.
I hear he ignores everything but the sound of his own voice.
Sec 108 - December 22, 2008
Fotunately, Jose has found some gainful employment!
No Bill, the rotting corpse of a broken down middle infielder is not the makings of a good DH.
Big Jared - December 22, 2008
Is that in Ballard?
I think I’ve eaten there.
JordanB - December 22, 2008
This was almost too mean.
I agreed with pretty much every substantive word of it, but still…I feel like we’re urinating on Jose Vidro’s decomposing corpse or something. Damn.
esoteric - December 22, 2008
Motherfucker deserves it
Graham MacAree - December 22, 2008
I will always like the time he tried to beat out the tag at first base.
And ended-up falling down.
mark sobba - December 22, 2008
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