That seems decent enough to me. And as far as stuff goes, he’s actually got pretty decent stuff. I wasn’t clear on why you were so down on him when last year he was 97% similar to Eric Bedard in terms of his pitch speed and movement according to Pitch F/x. He’s actually got a slightly better fastball, though his curve and changeup don’t have the same kind of bite that Bedard had last year.
That doesn't change the validity of what I said though.
If you go through and look at all of the pitchers in MLB, you find guys who are horrible with fairly good stuff (2007 Ervin Santana) while guys with the same stuff are much better. When you go through the whole of it, I think using Pitch F/x to show how command affects pitchers with similar pure stuff is valid.
It also demonstrates how an inch or two more break on your curve can change it from “meh” to “best pitch in the MLB” the way it does for Joe vs Bedard.
I leave that to more intelligent people, with better data access and manipulation skills than I have, like you or Graham or Matthew. I KNOW I’m making generalizations. I’m having a discussion on a message board, and I think that in this realm such generalizations are appropriate given limitations on space and time available to me to make them.
And I don’t really think they were all that vague. What I was getting at was clear. They didn’t address every possible ramification I could think of, but they were general truths that are valid points.
Walk rate is partially a function of command though, and Joe is still young enough to improve
Joe also had his share of bad luck, especially last year, with a higher-than usual line drive rate, a high babip, and a low LOB%. This season all of those trends have reversed. In a way, this season represents a partial progression to the mean for him.
comes out with studies like this one come out, telling me that Angel Stadium has been nearly as hard to hit HR out of as PETCO the last 5 years, and I start to wonder.
If MLB average for HR/FB is 11% than how does Angels stadium adjust that to 9% for an Angels pitcher? It doesn’t seem like a .94 adjustment, even if it’s only OFFBs would do that, since IFFB only account for like 5% of Flyballs.
I think I found the disconnect in our previous discussions on this. I was operating on the thought that 11.5 was for all flyballs, and that therefore the HR/FB rates of the Angels pitchers weren’t just low but UNREASONABLY low as a group, and that therefore there must be a reason for it.
which is halved for the road games, and huh, you get the 0.94 factor that we arrived at. which is a bit of a far cry from the 0.65 or whatever it was you were claiming.
Yes. But his stats last year were a fluke in the opposite direction.
According to just about everything you guys have been telling me about the average rates of the things I mentioned, he should have been better last year.
I remember him explaining that once… He said he hadn’t even heard it, but one of his friends told him it was a good song… and so he started using it as his up to bat song.
Another day, another pitiful performance turned in by the Mariners, this time a 12-6 defeat to the New York Yankees. Seattle made things interesting until the sixth inning, when Jose Lopez pretty much torpedoed their chances with an error that cost the team two unearned runs.
Lopez didn’t give up the ensuing home run.
We swing of error: -1.1% WE swing of homer: -18.3%
SAS!!!
Matthew - May 24, 2008
First?
JI - May 24, 2008
LATE
JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo - May 24, 2008
Not on my screen. >:(
JI - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
TWICE!
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
So Kershaw's starting tomorrow for the Dodgers
Should be more fun than watching Washburn.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Shields - Cabrera. Be there or someplace else.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
That game starts when our game ends
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Which gives us time to watch the Rays.
I’ve thought things through.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
ish
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
10.00?
JI - May 24, 2008
I've been served
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I think I'll be watching that one.
JI - May 24, 2008
It's says Billingsly, was it changed?
JI - May 24, 2008
link:
here
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
That should be fun.
JI - May 24, 2008
Beltre's OPS back north of .800
swell
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
bye bye Seattle.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Bitchin inning
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
5 pitches
Wow. And I thought we were bad against Floyd yesterday.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
You were
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Only after we got the lead really.
We’d been doing surprisingly well patience-wise up until that point. Then we inexplicably decided to let him stay in the game.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
I need a shortcut key for this.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Joe Saunders is not good
this is so stupid.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
the Angels are stupid. I'm so sick of them. Almost as much as the Mariners.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
They get away with it though :-(
Alex B - May 24, 2008
He SHOULDN'T be good.
But he’s been nails his whole career when he’s not hurting (usually from end-of-season arm fatigue). Why is a mystery.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
No, he *isn't* good
at least not relative to the rest of the Major League starting pitcher player pool.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
3.94 FIP
That seems decent enough to me. And as far as stuff goes, he’s actually got pretty decent stuff. I wasn’t clear on why you were so down on him when last year he was 97% similar to Eric Bedard in terms of his pitch speed and movement according to Pitch F/x. He’s actually got a slightly better fastball, though his curve and changeup don’t have the same kind of bite that Bedard had last year.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Unsustainably low HR/FB
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Is it really unsustainable if it's been like that his entire career?
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Yes
His career hasn’t been that long.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
What if every other pitcher on his team is also the same way?
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Then it's a park factor thing, not a talent thing
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
rec'd. now that's funny.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
4.82 career tRA*
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Which part?
2007 Joe Saunders
2007 Eric Bedard
Joes fastball is about .5 MPH faster with similar break. His other pitches are similar speeds but have less break on them. Overall, 97.26% similarity.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Yeah, those are useful comparisons
Wandy Rodriguez, Rich Thompson and Patrick Misch are all basically the same thing as Erik Bedard.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Saunders StS% on his curveball, 2007: 3.2%
Bedard StS% on his curveball, 2007: 31%
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
See, exactly similar?
Wait, what’s that small round dot looking thing?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
In pure stuff, yeah
One thing Pitch F/x demonstrates is just how big a difference command makes. As well has how true “game of inches” is.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
No
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I'm not sure what the point of those monosyllabic responses is.
It doesn’t make you seem intelligent, which I know you are, nor does it address what I said.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Those PITCHf/x comparisons are experimental and generally don't tell you very much
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
That doesn't change the validity of what I said though.
If you go through and look at all of the pitchers in MLB, you find guys who are horrible with fairly good stuff (2007 Ervin Santana) while guys with the same stuff are much better. When you go through the whole of it, I think using Pitch F/x to show how command affects pitchers with similar pure stuff is valid.
It also demonstrates how an inch or two more break on your curve can change it from “meh” to “best pitch in the MLB” the way it does for Joe vs Bedard.
Are either of those wrong?
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
On the right path, but you need more information
like, say, pitch sequencing and pitch deception.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I'm not trying to write dissertation on this
I leave that to more intelligent people, with better data access and manipulation skills than I have, like you or Graham or Matthew. I KNOW I’m making generalizations. I’m having a discussion on a message board, and I think that in this realm such generalizations are appropriate given limitations on space and time available to me to make them.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
But the generalizations are either wrong or uselessly vague.
so what’s the point of making them?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
We just established that those weren't wrong
And I don’t really think they were all that vague. What I was getting at was clear. They didn’t address every possible ramification I could think of, but they were general truths that are valid points.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
But they're not because they're missing too much information
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
they were general thruths in that both Bedard and Saunders throw
a fastball and a curveball. Everything else is useless or misleading without proper context.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Hey. They're also LEFTIES. :-P
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
This isn't a board
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Thread? Blog?
I dunno, what would you call it?
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Blog
sorry, I’m sensitive to the “message board” term.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Message boards touched Jeff in dirty places as a child
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
He get trying to get into Massage Boards
Matthew - May 24, 2008
kept*
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Stupid Professor Happiness
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
XD
Fine. Blog it is then.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
You are ignoring several parts of what goes into "stuff"
such as consistency of delivery and deception.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Saunders: 13% curveballs
Bedard: 35% curveballs
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Bedard's curveball is (was?) one of the best pitches in baseball
Saunders’ curveball is not.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Yeah.
That’s why Bedard last year was one of the best pitchers in baseball, while Saunders is simply a good/decent MLB pitcher.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Saunders is a #4 whose 2008 ERA is one of the biggest flukes in the league
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I don't think you can reason with some people....
BrettJMiller - May 24, 2008
I guess that depends on your definition of a number 4.
I’d say closer to a number 3 myself.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Well he's about whatever you consider Carlos Silva to be
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I think he's better than Silva.
While his K-Rate at the moment is comparable to Silva’s career, his own Career K-Rate is higher.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
But so is his walk rate
in terms of expected run output, they are pretty similar, even if they get there in slightly different ways.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Walk rate is partially a function of command though, and Joe is still young enough to improve
Joe also had his share of bad luck, especially last year, with a higher-than usual line drive rate, a high babip, and a low LOB%. This season all of those trends have reversed. In a way, this season represents a partial progression to the mean for him.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
No it doesn't
This season represents a massive fluke.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
sustainable things Joe Saunders is above average at:
-getting groundballs (barely)
-having his classmates shot at
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Not sure about the latter
sample size
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
what, 33 isn't enough for you?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I still say that his HR/FB rate isn't that unsustainable in Angel stadium
It certainly hasn’t been for every other Angels pitcher.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
and we've looked into that.
it’s a fluke.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
You say that, but then THT
comes out with studies like this one come out, telling me that Angel Stadium has been nearly as hard to hit HR out of as PETCO the last 5 years, and I start to wonder.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
We've accounted for the park factor
It’s still a fluke
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Even if this is true
are you trying to give Saunders credit for a park effect?
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
No, I'm saying that as long as he's an Angel, it won't change.
At least not to the degree that you guys seem to expect it to.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
I expect it to change a great degree from its current 2.whatever
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
This sub-thread was about his homerun rate.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
His HR/FB is 6.0
That is unsustainably low.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Accounting for the Anaheim HR/FB factor it should be about 9
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
9? .94 Park factor takes it from
11 to 9?
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Depends on what you mean
I was talking HR/FB, including popups. Per OFB it’s closer to 11.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Ah. So it's more than a .94 park factor if you look at all flyballs?
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
It's a .87 factor
It just translates into 0.935 because he plays half his games away
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Also, to answer your question:
Calculating and applying it rigorously does indeed yield/use 0.87, but the # of outfield flies is actually raised by ANA depressing popups/fly
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Okay wait
If MLB average for HR/FB is 11% than how does Angels stadium adjust that to 9% for an Angels pitcher? It doesn’t seem like a .94 adjustment, even if it’s only OFFBs would do that, since IFFB only account for like 5% of Flyballs.
That’s what I’m looking for here.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
MLB average for HR/OFB was like 11.5% last year
MLB average for HR/FB was closer to 9.4%ish.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
9.6, I believe
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
'ish'!
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
9.6ish, I believe
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Also, i am doing a terrible job of explaining what the hell I'm talking about
I apologise for any confusion
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
No, now it's starting to make sense
in the PAST you’ve done a horrible job and that resulted in our first conversation. :-P
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Blah blah blah your needs
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Ah. Okay, now this is starting to make more sense
I think I found the disconnect in our previous discussions on this. I was operating on the thought that 11.5 was for all flyballs, and that therefore the HR/FB rates of the Angels pitchers weren’t just low but UNREASONABLY low as a group, and that therefore there must be a reason for it.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Let's all be friends
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Anywho, I have an Angels game to go watch.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
But even if it goes up to 8.8
like last year, that’s not going to bring his ERA back up to 4.whatever.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
LD%: 12.5
That’s the real difference here
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Pretty much.
I don’t think he can keep that up, though it’s a welcome change from 20.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Yeah, he can't
That’s not sustainable at all.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Like I said.
Anything that isn’t 3% above MLB average is okay with me.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Yes it will
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
LD% is more important
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
The LD% is wildly unsustainable
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Yes
It’s just more to blame for his success than HR/FB is.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
So in conclusion
his success is unsustainable.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I don't think I ever disagreed with this.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
I wasn't disagreeing with you, heh.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
at 0.87
which is halved for the road games, and huh, you get the 0.94 factor that we arrived at. which is a bit of a far cry from the 0.65 or whatever it was you were claiming.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Yes. But his stats last year were a fluke in the opposite direction.
According to just about everything you guys have been telling me about the average rates of the things I mentioned, he should have been better last year.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
Sure, but that doesn't mean he should be good this year
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
No, not really.
His BABIP was a little bit low, but his LOB% was fine and he’s been lucky on getting Ks and avoiding walks.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I thought getting K's and avoiding walks were the whole point.
Good pitchers do them and bad pitchers don’t.
Zu Long - May 24, 2008
good pitchers miss bats and throw strikes
Saunders is below average at both of those.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Why?
ERA in the mid-4’s, peripheral ERA in the mid-4’s.
This year he’s just flipping out.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
How to be the best hitter ever by Joe's Tracer: Never swing at any pitch
you will have a 1.000 OBP from walks.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
They should switch over to Adrian's Tracer
Alex B - May 24, 2008
JI - May 24, 2008
A-Rod walks up to Mims?
Really?
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Oh man
I remember him explaining that once… He said he hadn’t even heard it, but one of his friends told him it was a good song… and so he started using it as his up to bat song.
lyleleander - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
time to twist the key!!
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Unfortunately reverse gear is engaged
Alex B - May 24, 2008
What if we lock the door?
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
depends, are we on the inside or the outside?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Hm speaking of umpire issues
Anyone else find it amusing that former SteAler Joey Porter is bitching about the Patriots and calling them cheaters?
Slica - May 24, 2008
no, not really.
He speaks truth.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Maybe 'ironic' is a better word.
But I get you.
Slica - May 24, 2008
Hay is is I can't do this anymore
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Hay is is jI
JI - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Mallio Ordoyez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
.....
(Hey this is Erik Bedard)
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Too many words
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
He's Canandian.
JI - May 24, 2008
Too many wourds?
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
hahaha
JI - May 24, 2008
Gameday just called Mussina's fastball a changeup
also, what a terrible pitch to throw on 0-2.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Lopez is awesome
joof - May 24, 2008
Fact.
Slica - May 24, 2008
What unprofessional hitting
Alex B - May 24, 2008
hush Dave, Jon Lester sucks
also, wow that was high
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Not a strike
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Richie is going to come out of the dugout and charge the ump
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
everyone on this team missed their calling
they’d be excellent cricketeers
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Uh-oh, Joba love-fest starts next inning
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Well he's really good
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Sure, he's good
I just don’t look forward to Kay and Cone ramming it down my earholes
Alex B - May 24, 2008
hahahahaha losing Casey is DET's problem
JI - May 24, 2008
Sounds like something Bill would say
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
hence the laughter
JI - May 24, 2008
LOPEZ CAN'T FOCUS IN CLOSE GAMES ON DEFENSE
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
SEASON IS ALREDAY LOST DOESNT COUNT
JI - May 24, 2008
Silva missed his spot by about 4 feet on that pitch.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
You just can't quit
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Alex B - May 24, 2008
It's catching on!
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
LATE
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I'm either tripping balls at this point
or you’re bored.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Not mutually exclusive
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
kinda low
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Alex B - May 24, 2008
EARLY
Alex B - May 24, 2008
fuck i hate waking up in the 6th inning
PhilKenSebben - May 24, 2008
I hate it when Silva does the same
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Joba against the Mariners
It’s like the honor student picking on the retarded kid in the classroom.
nfreakct - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
ON TIME
Alex B - May 24, 2008
I feel like I'm missing out by watching this on TV
joof - May 24, 2008
No you're pretty much getting the idea
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
i can't watch the m's without LL
PhilKenSebben - May 24, 2008
We have by far the stronger franchise
Alex B - May 24, 2008
I can post on LL without watching the m's
Robert - May 24, 2008
I have been doing this a lot lately
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
wizzle wozzle
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
gooble gobble
Jordan of Boise - May 24, 2008
CONCENTRATION
Alex B - May 24, 2008
You'd think there's only one way to use Dickey, but
Mariners have other plans for Dickey
Jordan of Boise - May 24, 2008
LACK OF CHEMISTRY!!
LOPEZ NEEDS MORE FRIENDS
Matthew - May 24, 2008
/fans
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
There is two on here yes?
Im one of them.
Slica - May 24, 2008
SEE WHAT LACK OF CHEMISTRY DOES?!?!
Matthew - May 24, 2008
needs more grease
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Strasburg!
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Lopez helps us by not helping us!
nfreakct - May 24, 2008
A-Rod hurts the team by striking out
Alex B - May 24, 2008
That replay of Raul charging the camera would make a great gif
Alex B - May 24, 2008
I'm so glad defense cannot hurt our team.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Again?
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
I AM GETTING VERY TIRED OF THIS
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I don't understand this meme.
Fin - May 24, 2008
You don't have MLB.tv
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
zenitra ritov si si Yah
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Zenitra Ritov sounds like an Eastern European girl I'd like to sleep with
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Eastern European girls are so hot they make me sexist.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Hostel was awesome until the dying
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Any movie which kills off hot chicks does not have me in the target audience
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
si si
Yah!
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Please don't go to sleep anytime soon
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
What if she looked like a backwards Victor Martinez?
Alex B - May 24, 2008
as hot as he is ugly?
zowooga!
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I am not sure what this woman would look like
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
If it's the opposite of Victor she's be ridiculously eloquent and attractive.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
I want to fly to Slovakia
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Or Munich
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Shut up
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Why don't you like Munich? :-/
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Added bonus of good beer
Alex B - May 24, 2008
I hear Allidap Etneciv is pretty hot
Alex B - May 24, 2008
And quite a good baseball player
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
But not as good as Srednuas Eoj
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Not sexy
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
You're saying that Padilla is?!
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Neither am I
But the thought was obviously enough to put you off Zenitra
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Suck it Chamberlain
Brian Floyd - May 24, 2008
Is Vitor artinez related to JI
M THOME?
PhilKenSebben - May 24, 2008
Vitor artinez is IJ
Can’t speak, demon typist.
Alex B - May 24, 2008
That would've been a strike to Ichiro
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Hay is is america
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Man, I think that was the fastest I've ever seen Ibanez run
joof - May 24, 2008
He hates Strasburg
thewyrm - May 24, 2008
Silva had two strikeouts today
both of them A-Rod.
How queer.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
JI - May 24, 2008
Upon further review
Marge uttering “Here we go again” is actually from the episode “Sideshow Bob’s Last Gleaming”.
I am sure that no one cares, but I don’t like to be on the record as having made an incorrect Simpsons reference without taking corrective action.
Aaron Campeau - May 24, 2008
I do not care, but I appreciate your dedication.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I don't care, but well done anyway
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
I find myself using MLB.tv more as a radio than a video feature these days
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
This is exactly the way I use it.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Why not just use MLB Radio?
Robert Lintott - May 24, 2008
Need video to make Raul gifs
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Yeah, that makes sense
But you can do that from archive… during the game you might as well listen to Dave…
Robert Lintott - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Alex B - May 24, 2008
That would be sorely missed
Robert Lintott - May 24, 2008
OH SHIT I GET IT NOW.
It’s from those ads that play in btw. innings. Where Martinez sounds like a manure salesman with a mouthful of sample.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Bingo bango
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Two questions, FWIW:
1.) WTF is this whole “Vitor Artinez” thing about? A series of embarrassing typos by someone with a shit keyboard?
2.) What, realistically, is the next step for the M’s in terms of things getting worse? Because they will get worse. They have to. What next.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
1) mlb.tv thing
2) injuries
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Tony S - May 24, 2008
^^ this is is not victor artinez
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Hey look, a preview button!
Fin - May 24, 2008
FAIL
esoteric - May 24, 2008
fuck you all, i'm stoked for Griffey and Ramirez's milestones
Tony S - May 24, 2008
I can't wait for my first Yahoo Live Set
Alex B - May 24, 2008
June 6th, 2009:
With the first choice in the 2009 draft, the Mariners take Nobody McFucknut LHP from Pepperdine.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
July 14th, 2008: Mariners ownership fires Bill Bavasi, hires Dave Littlefield as GM.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Mine would make me much much angrier
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Mine is necessary for yours to come true.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
No No No...Meet the new GM of the Seattle Mariners.
Fin - May 24, 2008
I propose this no-nonsense candidate
Alex B - May 24, 2008
I've heard McFucknut profiles well in a relief role.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
NIce fastball
Will make a good set up guy.
Fin - May 24, 2008
Oh, sweet! "In play, run(s)!"
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Raul is bad at Defense
joof - May 24, 2008
Rhodes Yankee Stadium meltdown in full effect
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Rhodes has always been so good at Yankee Stadium though
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
I forgot that we have Morrow on this team
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
You won't after I get around to that post I have germinating in my brain.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Have Silva kill Washburn, get Silva arrested, start Morrow?
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Or have Washburn molest Silva's daughter, have them kill each other
Then Start Morrow and RRS
Fin - May 24, 2008
Why is Tits spared your wrath?
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
I am not sure
Tits will get DFA when Aumont is called up.
Fin - May 24, 2008
Well....no
but I don’t know how your brain works. Mine is stupefied by what we could do (done) with just a small break here and/or there.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Does it involve a certain UW graduate
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
no
Matthew - May 24, 2008
But it could
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
not this kind of post
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I wait with bated breath
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
It still amazes me
that some people still have never heard of Listerine.
Slica - May 24, 2008
Yes, part of this disaster's awesomenes is now eminently avoidable it was
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Good thing we didn't draft anyone more prominent
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Looks like another 5+ run blowout in effect, gentlemen.
Perhaps we’ll set a record for consecutive games.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Run away, Beltre
Run far far away.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
just not to LA
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I just want him to be happy
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
key hole'd!
Matthew - May 24, 2008
You know what these game threads need? More gallows humor.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
capital idea ol' chum
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Three Utah miners, two WTC employees, and a VT student walk into a bar
I’m just kidding, they’re dead
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
This was totally sweet.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
I'm totally thinking Grand Slam here.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
I'm totally using "totally" too much, in total.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
all encompassingly, that is true.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
does this recover my hedberg% for the game?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Well done
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I like Raisin Bran
One guy came to my house, and suddenly my Raisan Bran disappeared.
I always wondered to myself…who would steal a box of Raisin Bran?
Slica - May 24, 2008
SO CLOSE.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
So Ichiro has given up
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
confirmed.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I don't blame him
nfreakct - May 24, 2008
Wasn't that apparent from his comments last night?
esoteric - May 24, 2008
He just wants to drink a beer and boo.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
That's what I'm doing
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
this team hasn't been the same since Baek left
he was a leader in the clubhouse
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Real joker, that Baek
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
about Victor aartinez
that whole commercial is an ad for mlb.tv, no?
and no one can see it except for subscribers.
did the mariners approve the commercial?
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Yeah the whole thing is wildly stupid
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
The commercial is promoting the Derek Jeter games
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Erik Bedard is not getting the job done
”...mmm…”
Alex B - May 24, 2008
This game is still going?
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
If Bavasi's such a nice guy who wants to make his players happy
why did he force Ichiro to stay with Seattle for the rest of his productive career?
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
If Bavasi was a nice guy he wouldn't continue to hurt Mariners fans like this
nfreakct - May 24, 2008
Whos hurt more?
Mariner fans or Dave Sampson?
Slica - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Great news everyone!
With that ground-rule double, the Mariners have now tied the Cardinals for most doubles given up, with 120! I knew they could do it!
Eyebrows - May 24, 2008
The Cardinals have a good defense and we do not
I don’t get it.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
You obviously have forgotten who pitches for that team.
JI - May 24, 2008
Fire Every Fucking Body
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lemonverbena - May 24, 2008
That was an 84mph fastball
uhh
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Yankee stadium PFX gun?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
The rest of his fastballs were 87-89
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
The one pitcher who's done me no wrong this year is about to hit the D/L >:(
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Hopefully it's of the 60-day variety so he can go the fuck home
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Just got in from running to the store
God Dammit.
Katal LM - May 24, 2008
That was a long run to the store
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
This is last year's Hope Destroyer slump all over again
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
better early than late
Katal LM - May 24, 2008
at least they're getting it out of the way early this time
Eyebrows - May 24, 2008
There were like three of those
Robert - May 24, 2008
The real one
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Our inability to make outs is becoming legendary
esoteric - May 24, 2008
I would argue that we're rather terrific at making outs
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
You know what I meant. Defensive outs. But point taken.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
C'mon I want some more runs here
esoteric - May 24, 2008
The important thing is that Vidro hit a FB
So he’s clearly not the problem!
Katal LM - May 24, 2008
Clement has 5 XBH in the past 4 games
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
let's trade Clement and Burke for Victor artinez
Tony S - May 24, 2008
He couldn't produce in the big leagues where it really counts
/Baker
Katal LM - May 24, 2008
But he doesn't finish up the left overs in the clubhouse.
Slica - May 24, 2008
Justin Morneau looks like John Cena
Word Life.
marinerdan - May 24, 2008
I am no longer a Morneau fan.
Slica - May 24, 2008
You mean you are a fan neau Mor
/life
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Good way to put it.
Or,
Mauer > Morneau like Mantaur > John Cena in coolness factor.
Slica - May 24, 2008
well he IS the franchise.
PhilKenSebben - May 24, 2008
On amusing aside, look at where Gameday puts that second called strike to Ensberg.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Uh
Ensburg is Ichiro now?
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
PITCHf/x has also given up
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
would you K already Jeremy?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Does losing by only 8 runs count as a good performance?
I’m not sure any more
Alex B - May 24, 2008
I still like Reed
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Reed will end his career
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Farnsworth's?
Alex B - May 24, 2008
yes, that's what i meant
nice AB
Tony S - May 24, 2008
joe's tracer says: 1 of the 12 pitches a strike.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Joe's tracer can go suck a fuck.
Eyebrows - May 24, 2008
THAT AB DESERVES A STARTING JOB IN LF!
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Reed isn't a true Mariner
True Mariners give up.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Don't put it in play you fool
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
really impressive ab
marinerdan - May 24, 2008
Reed for hitting coach
Oh, and LF
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Golden sombrero time...
ack - May 24, 2008
eh maybe not
ack - May 24, 2008
Standard game for Richie
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
hez onyl god when teh game is over!!1
Matthew - May 24, 2008
not this time bitches
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Vidro and Sexson have both gone yard today.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
bought themselves another 2 months of playing time?
Fin - May 24, 2008
Can I just say I love JReed
(I like Richie too) hope he starts hitting “respectably” (above .240)
LantermanC - May 24, 2008
"Is Kyle Farnsworth going to be as effective as Joba Chamberlain?"
Alex B - May 24, 2008
WE back north of 1%
How I missed this territory.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
hard to breathe up here, air's too thin
Matthew - May 24, 2008
No wait, typo
sorry, it never cleared 1% there.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Mariners pitching: 6.3 K, 3.7BB, 43% GB
Nationals pitching: 6.4K, 3.8BB, 45% GB
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Mariners pitchers I have heard of: Everyone
Nats pitchers I have heard of: Odalis Perez? Er… Ross Detwiler?
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
You should know who Bergmann and Lannan are...they have a lot of talent.
Lannan’s been quietly putting together a fantastic rookie season.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
I know who most of them are
I’ve had to copy all of their stats into a spreadsheet multiple times
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
John Lannan is better than Joe Saunders
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
He goes today against the Brewers. Hope all turns out well.
He’s one of the few bright spots this season.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
amazing what not giving up homeruns will do for you
Matthew - May 24, 2008
I heart groundballers
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
How the fuck does Joe Saunders have a 178 ERA+ and a 1.057 WHIP?
esoteric - May 24, 2008
12.5 LD%
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Because fuck us
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
I would also note that Lannan has better K/9 and BB/9 numbers than Joe "WTF" Saunders
esoteric - May 24, 2008
I'd like to point out that yes we know he's better.
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Yeah, I forgot who I'm talking to here.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
And that's only because the Nats have one extreme groundballer (Hill) and two piles of suck in Chico and Perez
Bergmann and Lannan actually strike out lots of guys.
Also note: the Nationals are a better team than the M’s right now even though nobody in their outfield can hit worth a shit.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
What the hell happened to you Elijah?
R.J. Anderson - May 24, 2008
Karma's a bitch, man.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Gibson hasn't been great either, but damn.
I had Dukes pegged for some good things this year, just as our right fielder.
R.J. Anderson - May 24, 2008
Hysterical
Chad Cordero is the only pitcher on Washington’s staff making more than $2m.
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
And he's probably out for the entire season.
Our close now is Jon Rauch. Tallest pitcher in ML history, actually.
His nickname: “The Wookie.”
esoteric - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
MLB daht TV
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Hay is is Vitor artinez
MLB.TV
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Can you record that clip at all?
I am curious to see it now.
Fin - May 24, 2008
it's worth the $20
best money i’ve spent on something mariners related all year
Tony S - May 24, 2008
^^ that was a reply to Fin
Tony S - May 24, 2008
A silver spoon to gouge your eyes out?
That too would be worth the $20
Robert Lintott - May 24, 2008
??
okay, my dad paid for my subscription
feel better?
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Sorry
Not to gouge your eyes out, rather, just to gouge out the eyes of all mariners fans… That was a mariners insult, not a you insult
Robert Lintott - May 24, 2008
my dad didn't really pay for my subscription
victor artinez seduced me
i’m going to gouge out my eyes out now, no offense taken
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Vitor artinez isn't Mariner-related
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
mlb.tv is though
i got it to watch mariners games
HiiVA is a byproduct
Tony S - May 24, 2008
You're doing it wrong
Alex B - May 24, 2008
let's try this again
I forgot to capitalize the A – i caught that after.
“You’re doing it wrong”
Tony S - May 24, 2008
Way to run it out, tubs
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
The only good Molina was a Creedence Clearwater Revival song.
esoteric - May 24, 2008
HiiVa
Alex B - May 24, 2008
I missed that one :(
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
ahahahahahaha
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
oh fuck you blue
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Fucking home ump
He just wanted to go home. What a dickwad.
LantermanC - May 24, 2008
We're about to be leading the Strasburg standings!
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Its another Strasburg christmas
Robert - May 24, 2008
Best ending ever
Alex B - May 24, 2008
The best ending ever wasn't an ending
LantermanC - May 24, 2008
that A) wasn't even close to a strike
and B) wasn’t strike 3
Matthew - May 24, 2008
he better go yard now
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Wow that was awesome
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
CHARGE THE MOUND
Alex B - May 24, 2008
Shit's about to go down dickface
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
it would be the most hilarious thing ever if we came back and won now
we won’t, not even close, but man…
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Bobby Abreu went to the Vitor artinez School of English
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Funny what having a defense does for the Toronto pitching staff
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
How the fuck am I still awake?
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Better find some way to keep it going
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
my friend once went 72 hours without sleep
Robert - May 24, 2008
Rage?
Jordan of Boise - May 24, 2008
He's still all hot and bothered from the meth
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
summations do that to me.
Matthew - May 24, 2008
Geoff:
Lopez didn’t give up the ensuing home run.
We swing of error: -1.1%
WE swing of homer: -18.3%
Jeff Sullivan - May 24, 2008
Watch more baseball, statboy
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
Good thing I slept through this
OlSalty - May 24, 2008
Me too.
Coach Owens - May 24, 2008
JI - May 24, 2008
That's awesome
OlSalty - May 24, 2008
When I was drunk last night
I think I may have keyholed my laundry hamper
waldo rojas - May 24, 2008
I hope you used protection
Graham MacAree - May 24, 2008
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