Via THT, we curently stand at -36 plays made. Second-worst is Pittsburgh, at -29, while third-worst is Kansas City, at -21. The difference between the Mariners' and the Blue Jays' defenses so far has been roughly 60 runs, or about 185 runs over a full season.
It's too bad that we promoted Jeremy Reed to play a corner every few days, because I'm kind of curious just how bad this could get without him.
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Comparing to average, were on pace for ~83 runs lost.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
Conversion of 0.74 or 0.8 runs per BIP?
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
.8
where’s .74 come from?
Matthew - May 27, 2008
I was running the math backwards
-36 * 0.8 * 162 / 52 = 90 runs below average
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
You're right
I messed up on games played. Put in 56 instead of 52.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
You'll never get a baseball job with that kind of stupid
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
or will I...?
Matthew - May 27, 2008
At least there won't be any love lost
Right?
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
Tony S - May 27, 2008
ahahaha
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
I'm not sure I understand that,
and I’m not sure I want to.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
Is that vitor artinez?
ThundaPC - May 27, 2008
This is frightening.
DEFENSE MATTERS!!!
Thingray - May 27, 2008
Go big or go home
I guess… >:(
It looks like I haven’t missed much over the last couple weeks
ningwers - May 27, 2008
Lots of gifs
Graham MacAree - May 27, 2008
I like this development
ningwers - May 27, 2008
Although not so much the inspiration behind them
ningwers - May 27, 2008
I like the inspiration behind them
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
Sorry, I was just looking at the Raul ones
ningwers - May 27, 2008
The ones that don't look like ass are mine.
JI - May 27, 2008
I'm really impressed with the quality
ningwers - May 27, 2008
Check the bottom of the LL images thread.
JI - May 27, 2008
Yeah, I just found those
I can’t stop watching Jose’s faceplants
ningwers - May 27, 2008
Seriously we should trade for Griffey.
We’ve gotta go for the worst all-time defense.
BrettJMiller - May 27, 2008
And Michael Young
Let’s trade for Michael Young.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Yuni may actually be worse
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
Sweet Jesus
ningwers - May 27, 2008
That is so very, very depressing.
BrianL - May 27, 2008
RZR isn't real high on the Cuban
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
I love how that nickname is badass when he's on a hot streak and mean and offensive when he's sucking.
Whoever came up with that is awesome.
BrettJMiller - May 27, 2008
That would be me.
Goose - May 27, 2008
This team needs Mocock
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
We'll play Young at third
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Worst all-time defensive team?
C Piazza?
1B Richie Sexson
2B Jeff Kent? No one really comes to mind immediately….
3B Miguel Cabrera
SS Hanley Ramirez
LF Raul Ibanez
CF Ken Griffey Jr.
RF Manny Ramirez
BrettJMiller - May 27, 2008
well, there's no way this is the worst all-time
it might be close to worse of active players but you have Piazza on there.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
Oh yeah he retired.
Forgot about that. All-time I guess doesn’t fit, but it’s probably the worst you could assemble of Current regulars right now.
BrettJMiller - May 27, 2008
I'm pretty sure you could do worse than Griffey.
JI - May 27, 2008
Surely there were people who sucked before the 2000s
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
Yeah I kind of blew that.
I said all-time then just thought about who I’ve watched recently that have made me want to puke when they play defense.
BrettJMiller - May 27, 2008
There are some great players who were or are below average defensively
Rogers Hornsby couldn’t do infield popups. Derek Jeter has bad range. Ted Williams used to pretend to take batting practice in LF.
eponymous_coward - May 27, 2008
This should be less like the All-Star team
You shouldn’t get to move Manny to right when he’s always played left.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Manny played RF in Cleveland
BrettJMiller - May 27, 2008
Did he?
Oh huh, they had Belle in LF.
I stand corrected.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
What the hell? Was that the worst OF defense in history?
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
Kenny Lofton in center IIRC
so it couldn’t have been the worst
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
We have Ichiro in center :(
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
I've heard that Zeke Bonura was a bad firstbaseman.
JI - May 27, 2008
Dick Stuart, aka Dr. Strangeglove, says "hi".
eponymous_coward - May 27, 2008
Maybe the Mariners need to read the Angel's new book,
“How To Win Without Scoring Any Runs.” You guys are not the only frustrated fans out there.
Once again Ichiro rocks!
44FAN - May 27, 2008
So you're frustrated
because you’re not winning in a more aesthetically pleasing or balanced fashion?
marc w - May 27, 2008
The last several games have been pitching duels, and decided by a walk off
hit, walk, or homerun. They get kind of frustrating to watch after the first two or three games in a row. You want your players to hit and they are’nt hitting, but the great pitching and defense has kept us up on top. Some of our key offensive players are injured, we have had a lot of injuries, the rookies replacing these guys have had no luck at the plate so far and it is really hurting us. I can’t complain, that’s the way it is, we will be better when we get a few players back and we are still in first place in spite of the situation.
44FAN - May 27, 2008
I've never heard anyone complain that winning walk-offs is
‘frustrating.’ Very strange.
Yeah, the Angels have been hit hard by injuries, and it just highlights how much better that team’s offensive core is/was. It’s another sign that people looking at 2007’s team OPS+ numbers or whatever came to some…interesting conclusions about how close the M’s were to the Angels. (I was a victim of this to a degree, though I still thought the angels would cruise to the title).
marc w - May 27, 2008
...?
The Angels have scored 229 runs and allowed 217 and by baseruns they’re about dead even. The Angels have been exactly as good as most of us predicted.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
Despite playing w/o Kendrick
or Lackey or Escobar. They’re light-years ahead of a mostly healthy M’s squad.
I forget – how many wins did you think they’d have?
marc w - May 27, 2008
I said they were roughly an 85-87 win team on talent.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
Inclusive of the injuries to Escobar/Lackey?
or did the lackey thing happen later?
marc w - May 27, 2008
before the injuries
though it’s to be mentioned that Escobar was never projected for a full season.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
How about after the injuries?
Seems like you would have had to have the M’s above that number…
I thought the Angels offense would be much better, though again, some of their current funk is due to the injury to Kendrick. I thought their defense would be a bit better, but it’s generally right where I thought it’d be – middle of the pack. Surprised by their solid infield D.
Anyway, I had them at 89-90 assuming Lackey was only out a month or two. M’s at 85 (whoops).
marc w - May 27, 2008
I didn't re-eval after the injuries
I projected in missing time across the board beforehand. To go back and change that after the fact would have been tampering with the whole point of projecting.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
When it is Carlos Quentin getting the walk off homerun, and we lose, is frustrating.
44FAN - May 27, 2008
Look at it this way:
Every team will have losses like that. But the bright side? Lackey went 9 innings, and only gave up 3 runs in that time. That’s an amazing performance. After missing all that time to injury, Lackey has come back and pitched like his old self.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Anyway, my point being, don't complain about taking 2 out of 3 in Chicago
and especially don’t complain about it to Mariners fans.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
I don't think any Angels fan can complain, even in the least, to Mariners fans
Yeah a few Angels are hurt, but that just highlights the depth of the Angels system. The Mariners have no depth, really. Vlad goes down? Pick three of Sarge Jr, Hunter, Rivera, Anderson, Willits to hold down the fort. Figgins and Kendrick down? You have Izturis, Wood, Rodriguez, and Quinlan to jump in. Yes, none of the subs are as good as the starters, but that’s to be expected. The Mariners don’t really have position prospects that could fill in if a starter went down for a few weeks.
Yes, the Angels aren’t hitting lately. Neither are the Mariners. At least the Angels have been pitching, and their defense isn’t as bad.
I’m not perfectly happy with the current state of the Angels either. Just don’t think you’re going to get a good reaction talking about that with fans who’ve cared about the 2008 Mariners.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
You are a closet M's fan!
“Just don’t think you’re going to get a good reaction talking about that with fans who’ve cared about the 2008 Mariners.”
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
Warning him against complaining to you guys
Not talking about myself. Honestly, I’ve gotten a perverse pleasure from the failings of the 08 Ms.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
So have the rest of us
see, you’re just like us!
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Welcome aboard!
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Needs more disaster
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
So this is what happens when an Angels fan captains the U.S.S. Mariner!
AHHHHHHHHHH!
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
And this is what happens when a Mariners fan becomes God and controls the Angels
Man, this needs to happen more!
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Or this.
Fin - May 27, 2008
Why is she such a good girl?
When you are given a gift, you have got to share it with the world!
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
I know
Most of her pics try to cover her cleavage too. I mean come on, at least give us folks a little peak.
Fin - May 27, 2008
Okay, I admit it.
I started watching this show halfway through the season when I found out JLH sported a bigger ass….
ThundaPC - May 27, 2008
This show took place in Seattle
Sign her to be a ball girl. She would be high profile enough to not get hit on by Yuni.
thewyrm - May 27, 2008
It was probably filmed in Vancouver though.
Fin - May 27, 2008
It was.
She was a total cunt to the crew.
Llewdor - May 27, 2008
I refuse to believe it
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
I would say something, but I will hold my tongue.
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
Unless you can turn it into an Angie Mentink joke
that would probably be for the best.
BrianL - May 27, 2008
Really?
She was a no one when Dark Angel first came out. Her only claim to fame was as “the hot girlfriend” from idle hands. How did James Cameron let her get away with that?
thewyrm - May 27, 2008
A friend of mine's a rigging best boy
so he’s not the sort of person the talent sees working a lot (given that he’s rarely on set when they’re shooting), but his one encounter with Jessica was pretty awful. But that might have been on the Fantastic Four, now that I think of it.
Contrarily, Judi Dench (he worked Riddick) even took meals with the crew.
Llewdor - May 27, 2008
Judi Dench is a name that just doesn't sound like it belongs to an attractive person.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
well, she's old now.
I can’t find any pictures of her when she was young.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Still not very nice:
http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/ap_judi_dench_070216_ssv.jpg
Thingray - May 27, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judi_Dench
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Doesn't matter, still awesome.
Aaron Campeau - May 27, 2008
I was just trying to have a discussion here and respond to the comments on
my comments. No harm done. And as I stated I am not complaining.
I have always been treated reasonably well by the Mariners fans on the few occasions I have posted here. If they want me to leave I imagine they will tell me so. I don’t need an Angel fan telling me whether or not I should be having a discussion with a fan of another team. Thanks.
44FAN - May 27, 2008
Uh oh...
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
Damn, I had a level-headed response ready to go
but if someone else is calling for it…
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
Whining about the Angels for a paragraph
and then closing with “not complaining” seems a lot like complaining. And no, I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t complain like I have the authority to tell you stop. Just saying it seems a bit…out of place. Like you’re complaining about a sprained ankle to a guy in full traction. The analogy is lame, I know. But I think you get my point.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Our franchise is in full traction?
I dunno, I thought that was a pretty good analogy.
BrianL - May 27, 2008
Yea I was going to say
At least the angels are still in contention. All we have left to root for is getting to draft Strasburg in 2009.
Fin - May 27, 2008
Using that picture of Izturis makes you look like a Monkey.
And not in a good, rally monkey kind of way. Ha,ha.
44FAN - May 27, 2008
The rally monkey is not good
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Okay
1. The rally monkey is retarded. There is no such thing as good in a “rally monkey kind of way.”
2. I know Izturis looks funny. He has comical features, including his eyebrows. Maybe I chose the picture and the screenname for fun, and not in the attempt at being an internet tough guy?
3. Way to resort to ad hominem attacks. I guess I’ll go cry in the rain and drink lattes.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Oh, I see what you did with #3.
Touche!
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
You started it. I only came by LL to make one silly comment
and look what you did! You let the dogs out. Too funny, all of you guys.
44FAN - May 27, 2008
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
Sorry guys I guess it was me
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Do you have something against Mormons?!
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
My chart is better.
BrianL - May 27, 2008
I win
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
Or would've if you'd spelled it 'Bacardi'
marc w - May 27, 2008
I didn't make it
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
Don't go blaming it on JI...
PositivePaul - May 27, 2008
I hope you're happy
I’ve had to talk to someone who thinks the rally monkey is good, and then I had to image search “who let the dogs out.” I have no dignity left.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Well, here's the USS Mariner
hop aboard!
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
My spidey senses are tingling
Fin - May 27, 2008
What's with all the trolls we've been getting lately?
BrianL - May 27, 2008
There's a difference between trolls and regular angels fans.
Trolls know they’re saying something stupid.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Kind of like regular UCLA fans :(
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
I never did understand the guys who are obsessed with every UCLA sports team
simply because the team is from UCLA
ningwers - May 27, 2008
I like two... football and hoops
and I’ll go to softball/baseball if the opportunity presents itself. But that’s about it.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Easy
they have to find something they might be better than USC at besides hoops.
bluemax - May 27, 2008
Actually UCLA is probably better at USC in pretty much every sport except for football
When it comes to unmarketable college athletics UCLA is hard to beat
ningwers - May 27, 2008
Ba-Zing!
BrianL - May 27, 2008
Someone should make a Felix finishing the rally monkey gif
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Yeah, there has been a significan amount of troles around here lately.
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
huzzah new SBN format!
it used to be at least moderately challenging to be a troll. Not any more.
pdb - May 27, 2008
Well played
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
I see what you did there.
BrianL - May 27, 2008
Goose - May 27, 2008
Huzzah to Futurama!!
Thingray - May 27, 2008
I said that to someone this weekend and they got pissed.
I don’t think they knew what I meant.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
Really?
I thought this was something that spanned across all cultures.
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
I didn't think it was a problem.
But he just glared at me and said “yeah, whatever dude”.
Needless to say I didn’t bother wasting my time explaining it to him.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
Maybe he was too stupid to know what he even said.
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
In hindsight, you may be right.
He was kind of a big oaf.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
How the hell did this get derailed so bad?
Jesus.
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
Welcome to Lookout Landing.
Are you new?
Llewdor - May 27, 2008
Every new thread is not an invitation to go insane
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
Perhaps we could have a daily "free for all" thread or something.
Just a place to hang out and BS without derailing the more serious threads.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
I might have to do this
but it would, of course, be in the diaries section.
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
That seems fair.
Then you could just tell everyone to “take it to the free/open thread” or something.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
Take it! To the free thread
Take it! To the free thread, woh-oh
Take it! To the free thread, it’s not loooooo-oooopus
Jordan of Boise - May 27, 2008
that thread would probably turn into a discussion about the M's defense
MFAN - May 27, 2008
Oh the irony
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
In all fairness, the main randomness of the thread began with the Angels guy bitching about winning on too many walkoffs
it’s not like one of the regulars decided to take us on a trip on the failboat
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Although I think we would have derailed eventually, even without the assistance.
I know us Eddie.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
His original comment was fairly on-topic
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
How comments would it take beforer it becomes a full on Post Your Porno thread?
JI - May 27, 2008
Skipping whole words at this point JI?
Thingray - May 27, 2008
at this point?
JI - May 27, 2008
Demon keyboard again?
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
nope
not that one
JI - May 27, 2008
porn for Ms fans?
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
JI - May 27, 2008
Was that your mouse scrolling across the screen right at the start?
ningwers - May 27, 2008
The Nazis that run this place edited the mouse cirsor out of the badangle gif.
JI - May 27, 2008
Even he can't save us now.
Although I never wanted him to in the first place.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
And I meant that about Bonds.
I’d take Broussard back.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
I might replace that with a Red Sox Nation=Bandwagon type sign tonight....
BrettJMiller - May 27, 2008
We blame the Mariners.
If they could hold our attention for 5 minutes, maybe we could talk about something related to the team for more than 5 minutes.
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
Incredibly, it's possible that we talk about the Mariners less during the season (outside of game threads)
then we did in the offseason
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
That's because we live to speculate.
The most we can do now is dream, and dreams don’t stay on topic very long.
Wilder. - May 27, 2008
OK so
Our team defense sucks completely sans Beltre, who is already plus 20 runs or something, and Ichiro who is basically playing average center field.
Huge disappointments – Lopez, Yuni, Johjima
The “we knew they’d suck major ass” category – Wlad, Raul, Sexson
Wlad shouldn’t be our starting RF. He’s a circus in the outfield, and he should be sent down to AAA unless he gets DH’d.
Raul can’t play defense, he’s an old man that has value only as a DH.
Sexson can’t play defense, and he has little to no value because his bat is very close to being finished. I wouldn’t even DH him.
Lopez’ defense can probably be corrected, he’s the one guy I think can turn around his season defensively.
Yuni is bloated and cannot play a good defensive SS anymore. He has little value in his bat. Other options need to be explored for next year at this spot too.
Johjima is getting old, and was never very good at throwing out runners anyways. He also lacks at basic catcher skills such as blocking balls in the dirt.
This team has major problems and they will not be solved unless the entire roster gets a major rehaul, and that makes me drink.
marinator - May 27, 2008
Actually we thought Wlad would be league average or so
this disaster has been kind of an unpleasant surprise.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
....aaand we're back on topic!
Wlad was expected to be terrible? I’ll admit I didn’t/don’t know much about his history, but was Raul Jr. defense expected from him? I thought he was a young/athletic guy.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
I heard he sucked kind of sucked in the outfield in AAA
I figured he’d be pretty bad.
marinator - May 27, 2008
I never heard that he sucked in AAA.
Average defender was what I heard. I’m VERY surprised at his struggles defensively.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
I'm not surprised because I never watched him in AAA
What little information I got from his defense wasn’t positive though. I don’t know where you heard he was going to be average.
marinator - May 27, 2008
Churchill
He played CF in the minors on a semi-regular basis and was always considered a decent defender.
Link to PI report projecting Wlad/Clement
I’d have to think this is just one of the downs – Adam Jones struggled at first on D when he came up as well.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
I seem to remember Cameron saying Wlad was going to suck in the outfield
Maybe not suck, but be below average or something, I don’t have anything to quote from though.
marinator - May 27, 2008
I'll go search the archives because I can't imagine that it wasn't mentioned over there
but I remember the general sentiment around here was that we expected him to be somewhere in the neighborhood of average with plus potential in a corner.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
okay so I'm a total noob about defense stats
But I just looked at Balentien’s RZR for this year (do people like/hate RZR?):
56 balls in zone, 45 plays
10 plays out of zone
If we’re expecting him to make 56 plays in his zone, and he misses some in zone but gets 10 out of zone, giving him 55 plays, does that even out? Or am I reading into it too much?
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Everytime I watch him field a ball I cringe because he looks like a confused mental patient
That is how I know he sucks
marinator - May 27, 2008
Ok so I read more and the average RF RZR this year is .870
Balentien’s is .804 – not good. I’m still trying to find a metric that will use MiLB numbers to do projections for defense. Any help?
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
ok so baseball prospectus' FRAA
puts him between -10
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
In a corner, right?
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
what the hell
my greater than, less than symbols died. Ok so he’s -2, -7, -10 in the minors, with -7 in RF in 2007.
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
BP's fielding stats are full of massive fail.
Never use them except as a butt of a joke.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
In the last BP lpayer eval book I read
even the authors said they were full of crap.
JI - May 27, 2008
I think Wlad was expected to be a -10 < x < 0 guy in RF
he’s been worse than that so far, but for the time being I’m going to write that off as nerves and lack of familiarity with the ML ballparks.
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
GIVE THE BOY A CHANCE PEOPLE
Yuni got what, three years before the verdict?
Jordan of Boise - May 27, 2008
Is that for 2008 or overall
because I think Wlad has the tools to be an asset in RF. Not a tremendous one, but a 0 < x < +5 type. His range seems fine, but his instincts and route running look problematic so far, but didn’t he get shifted around the OF a lot in the minors? That would explain some of it.
Matthew - May 27, 2008
I'd agree
he settled in and looked fine in Tacoma, though this has happened so often now, I’m wondering if success in tacoma is inversely correlated w/ success in Seattle. (Jeremy Reed looked like he’d never played OF before in Tacoma, and looked great in his first go-round in Seattle).
Wlad’s been a CF mostly in the minors, and shifted to RF maybe 2-3 years ago. He’s still played some CF in Tacoma. I think Jeff’s got it though – it’s probably nerves and the ballparks. Adam Jones looked nervous last year here (though to be fair, it didn’t show up in his RZR).
marc w - May 27, 2008
That was for 2008
Jeff Sullivan - May 27, 2008
The Yuni thing really bums me out.
I fully expected him to become one of my favorites, and tried to ignore the rumblings that his defense was not nearly as good as his reputation, but at this point it’s impossible to do so. The thing that makes it even more frustrating is that the front office was smart in their approach towards him. The fact that the front office fails even when they do something smart is annoying to me.
Aaron Campeau - May 27, 2008
How were they smart in their approach?
If they were smart they’d have kept him away from the buffet tables and McDonald’s. Or the trainer could have done his job and taught him how to keep from getting too muscular/fat/whatever the hell he is now.
marinator - May 27, 2008
That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
I’m talking about buying out arb years at below market rate.
Aaron Campeau - May 27, 2008
If he could just be league average defensively, he'd still be a great asset
at the very least, the potential is still there, and with the years left on his deal, there’s no reason he can’t get back to being the player we thought he was. Here’s to hoping, at least.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Eyebrows - May 27, 2008
Depends on if it's a training/diet issue
or if that is just what his body is going to be.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
Players almost never regain speed or quickness
Sec 108 - May 27, 2008
Not gonna disagree
and I’m just hoping it was a stupid dietary decision or a conscious decision to try and bulk up (which, btw, hasn’t helped at all) so perhaps the damage is reversible.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Beltre is below average this year
I don’t really get that, and his insane out of zone plays may make up for that. His numbers just look…crazy.
Lopez is still roughly average or -3 < x < +3 sort of range.
Johjima was #1 in caught stealing percentage last year, so clearly he’s been good in the recent past.
Still, the depth of this is startling, and the M’s need to try and understand it. When good players seem to get way worse the longer they’re exposed to Mariner ‘teaching’ – you find out why.
It’d be great to swap out Ibanez, but I’m still having trouble understanding why LF is so damned important to the team DER. The team DER looks like it’s influenced more by Ibanez or Sexson than it is by, say, Lopez, and that doesn’t make any sense.
marc w - May 27, 2008
Could be that we're giving up a lot of flyballs this year
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Could be that Lopez is underappreciated
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - May 27, 2008
If by "underappreciated," you mean "awesome," then yes, that would be correct
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
No, not really
Almost dead-on league average in LD/GB/FB/IFFB.
marc w - May 27, 2008
I thought KC was supposed to be a solid fielding team?
Since they can’t hit, after all.
seattlebruin - May 27, 2008
Their middle infield is pretty good.
But their outfield is bad, isn’t it?
Llewdor - May 27, 2008
Jeff, I noticed that you hadn't started a game thread yet.
Joy-hating buzzkill. I was hoping to kill two threads before the first pitch this time.
esoteric - May 27, 2008
I think his plan is to avoid just such a situation.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
I know. That was the whole point.
esoteric - May 27, 2008
On a purely incidental note: Yes's Tales From The Topographic Oceans: not nearly as bad as you would think.
But not great either.
esoteric - May 27, 2008
If Jeff really wanted to be a dick
He would put a limit to the number of game threads
marinator - May 27, 2008
That would raise a ruckus.
Thingray - May 27, 2008
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