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Ichiro Is Fine

I need to break up Matthew's little hot streak. Whose blog does he think this is?

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Running down the table:

-Ichiro's swing rate on balls outside of the zone hasn't changed at all
-Ichiro's swing rate on balls inside the zone is a little down, but probably not significantly so
-Ichiro's made more contact on balls outside of the zone
-Ichiro's made just as much contact on balls inside the zone as always
-Ichiro's groundball rate is up
-Ichiro's line drive rate is down, but probably not significantly so
-Ichiro isn't lacking for infield hits
-More of Ichiro's balls in play are being turned into outs than ever before

The first thing you might guess is that hitting grounders at the expense of line drives is hurting Ichiro, but I think the opposite is true - this should be helping him. In his groin-grabbingly awesome 2004, he put up a GB% of 63.7 and a LD% of 18.4. Fly balls are what he really wants to avoid, and he's been doing that just fine. So this likely isn't the issue.

The next thing you might guess is that he's being hurt somehow by making more contact on balls outside of the zone, but (A) that seems weird, (B) his O-Contact% was 77.8% last year and he did just fine, and (C) his BABIP on balls outside of the zone is actually higher in 2008 than in 2007, at least according to Josh Kalk's combined PITCHf/x tool. The culprit here appears to be BABIP on strikes.

Another thing I've seen here and there every so often is the suggestion that opposing defenses are learning how to play Ichiro better. They're not. This is, has always been, and will continue to be stupid.

You could go through a laundry list of potential reasons why Ichiro's numbers are down, but just because he's a unique player doesn't mean there has to be a unique explanation. He's been unlucky. Despite zero convincing evidence that his skills are eroding, he's struggling to match his recent batting lines, and when you see that happen to someone luck should automatically be the first thing that comes to mind.

Adjust Ichiro's performance so far to that .353 '05-'07 BABIP and you've got yourself a .319 BA with a .377 OBP. In other words, business as usual. Barring something unforeseen, I expect Ichiro's numbers from this point forward to look a lot more familiar than they have to date. If his batting average between tomorrow and the end of the season isn't in or around the .310-.330 range, I'll eat a hat.*

* or a delicious sandwich

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I thought we were trading him.
ICHRIO 4 GRIFY
(The website won't let you customize an Ichiro 51 jersey)
I really wish Ichiro would just take a game and do nothing but power swings
Thanks for posting this Jeff

I’ve been defending Ichiro to my Yankee fan coworkers, this will give me more ammunition.

Fight fire with fire

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jeterde01.shtml

And some more fire...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/canoro01.shtml
Also, missing out on the playoffs with the highest payroll in sports is pretty humiliating (no irony intended here, I hate the yankees)

the yankees aren't going to miss the playoffs

unfortunately

They're going to take the wild card from Boston or Tampa Bay?

Unlikely.

The Yankees don't have the talent to compete with Boston and Tampa Bay this season.

Oh, and

I can't believe he's never won an MVP.
Could his higher outside the zone contact imply weak contact of said balls?

Thus, the lower babip? He seems to make more contact with balls outside of the zone, but it doesn’t help him in this case. Or am I looking too far into the data?

Just an excerpt.

The next thing you might guess is that he’s being hurt somehow by making more contact on balls outside of the zone, but (A) that seems weird, (B) his O-Contact% was 77.8% last year and he did just fine, and© his BABIP on balls outside of the zone is actually higher in 2008 than in 2007, at least according to Josh Kalk’s combined PITCHf/x tool. The culprit here appears to be BABIP on strikes.

So it's both Ichiro and Beltre that are getting boned by luck?

Who did we piss off?

Sounds like we pissed off luck itself
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LUCK

THEY NEED TO AIM WHERE THEY HIT THE BALL BETTER!

Luck was on our side last year

So maybe its flipping us off this year.

Bad luck is necessary for Strasburg.
any way to find out is BA on GBs?

I’ve heard tell he’s getting slow.

It should be on Bill James online

It was around .400 last year I believe.

.259 on GB's

.300 for his career.

He’s not getting slow.

His speed is fine.
Do you think this might have to do with being a CF between two wounded buffaloes?

Ichiro’s BABIP has always been higher than expected due to his speed and batting style. If he’s wearing down that is where it would show up first, no?

Raul Ibanez and Brad Wilkerson hurt Ichiro's legs by being terrible at their jobs.
He was fine last year.
Ummm...Jeff...what if he's actually beginning his decline phase?

I know it’s not a popular thing to say around here. Training regimen, Ichiro is a superhero, face of the franchise, blah blah blah…but I think right now that it’s equally plausible that Ichiro is in the beginnings of his decline phase. That doesn’t mean he still can’t be an immensely valuable player during this period (though moreso in CF than RF…aaaugh), but I worry that this is a bit rosy-colored in its analysis.

(Aw shit…did I just get myself banned?)

All of the peripheral stats don't show decline.

His contact rate is as good as ever, it doesn’t appear that he’s lost a step. The only real big difference, from what I’m seeing, is his BABIP.

You're mistaking me for an Ichiro fanboy.

If I saw evidence of a decline, I’d say he’s on the decline. But I don’t.

Seems to me that this is the whole point of the post,

trying to see if this is a decline phase of talent.

The numbers are right there. Do you question the interpretation?

No, I'm just intensely stupid.

Well, that and I wonder whether the significant decline in BABIP could mean something in terms of decline. Normally that would be a silly argument, given the general unrepeatability of such a skill. But given the previously high level estabilished level set by Ichiro, it’s possible that the precipitous drop is a manifestation of something else – perhaps bat speed issues, or the increased groundball rate – that marks a decline.

Really, I think the proper answer here is “it could go either way.” There is a chance that Ichiro’s decline in BABIP (really the only significant variance between this season and the last) is just statistical noise, and that it’ll regress (progress?) back to the mean in the next few months. But it could also be the first signs of something more ominous too.

And you know what? This sure isn’t a very sabermetric thing to say, but I can’t help but feel that the pathetic state of the M’s has something to do with his performance this season. Say what you want about Ichiro living in another mental universe than most players, but I have to think that being in the center of this maelstrom – and being the target of notable discontent from teammates, apparently, for “being selfish” (such bullshit, but it is what it is) – would have an effect on him.

The only way I would see the low BABIP being a sustainable drop in talent

would be if Ichiro were slowing down and thus more of his GBs were turning into outs rather than hits. But, his steals are way up and his infield hit percentage is up.

It still could be, I think the proper conclusion, at this time, though is to say there’s no concrete evidence yet of a decline.

Coach would be proud of those commas.
The one after be was supposed to be a .

Other than that, they’re all useful.

Steals and speed

Steals are up because he’s trying more often. And he’s used his super human powers to learn to get better jumps off of the pitchers.

I think it’s a combinatino of bad luck and a slight loss of foot speed. Can’t prove it, but it’s inevitable. If he loses half a step then that equates to a lot of outs over the the course of a season.

There's no evidence that his footspeed has decreased.
No evidence?

He’s getting to base less often on the same types of hits. He’s older. That’s evidence, isn’t it? Granted, it’s not categorical, but neither is any of what we call evidence.

Does anyone know what his rate of getting to balls out of his zone has done in the past couple of years? It’s hard to compare since he changed positions.

I'm an idiot

I just check his SB% and I’m an idiot. It’s 93.4% so far this year, up from 82.2% last year.

Me = idiot

Donations accepted.

A HAT is in fact a delicious sandwich

The Ham, Avocado, Tomato is often overlooked because it does not bring the greasy yumminess of Bacon to the table. However, it is a delightful sandwich. Teams well with rye and Emmenthaler.

I don't know why, but you deserve a rec right here
That old, tired expression is now fresh and exciting.
God that sounds so very good right now.
So why is ham a good substitution for bacon

I’m confused by the logic here.

It's saltier?

I like a good bacon to ham to sausage mix to avoid overloading on any single one.

The bacon-Russian dressing combination is one of the greatest combinations of all time
Why do you assume it is a substitute?

Cannot ham be a sandwich ingredient of it’s own accord? Why do people just always go for the bacon?

If you are confused by the logic then you are making it too difficult. Rye bread, Emmenthaler, mayo, mustard, ham, avocado and tomato make a yummy sandwich. Therefore, eating a HAT is not really all that bad an activity to undertake.

I'd skip the mayo/mustard personally.
Is there any stat to indicate how hard Ichiro is hitting the ball?

I would think a hard hit groundball (etc.) would be harder to field and therefore more likely to result in a hit. Couldn’t Ichiro decline insomuch that his balls in play are simply easier to field? That would result in a drop in BABIP.

We only have proxies for that information right now

come on, HITf/x…

The thought occurred to me that if we worked for the Ms

we could lobby to get the front office to help sponsor the creation of hit f/x under a competitive advantage argument.

Data exclusivity!

We could make it worth Sportvision’s while.

Can you imagine if got the team to finance hit f/x development

at least at SafeCo, and had the three of us working full time as analysts?

Nah, that would be all advantageous and shit.

...Until they fire you three and find smarter people.
Good luck finding smarter people than us who are willing to work for as cheap
Slavery is only as appropriate as the context in which it occurs
Jeff will be paid in reese's peanut butter cups.
So I'd get a job and a raise then
They'd only need one of us

we agree on everything anyway.

Yes but the other two will kill the one who has the job.
Don't tell them that stupid.
Three Guys Who Will Probably Disagree On Something Sometime
We disagree on what makes a good pun apparently.
Puns are forever
That's dyemonds stupid.
To the punalty box!
Why don't choo grow some hare?
Maybe you should be more reader friendly

I have a hard enough time understanding the Matthew use in your posts

I tend to agree with Matthew concerning puns.

Jeff’s are awful.

Jeff made puns a dead meme!
It's almost like I planned for this to happen
*Stubby Clappen
Explain

yourself

Side note: is this racist?

Thats Reyes!
It looks like a African American giraffe
I lie often
I heard everything you say is dripping in sarcasm
We also cannot decide on lunch.

Does not making a decision count as disagreeing?

No

that’s agreeing on indecisiveness.

You two are starting to sound like an old married couple.
Yeah, starting to
Just reminded me of what happens when my wife calls

Right after I have finished lunch to ask what I want for dinner.

Who the hell knows what they want to eat 5 hours down the road when their stomach is currently full?

I get angry when people do this to me as well.

I don’t even know what I want to eat 15 minutes ahead of time.

The correct answer there is

I don’t care, just fix it and have it ready when I get home, woman.

And yes, I’ve discovered my couch is a very comfortable place to sleep.

Close enough for baseball work.
Close enough for aircraft work is the scariest phrase there is.
Talk with Graham about building construction sometime.
I can't wait for the sweet, soothing data HITf/x will provide...

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