If only there were someone who constantly warned against this sort of thing:
Riggleman said he first noticed that Silva might have a health issue during the fourth inning. The first batter doubled and the second one reached on an infield single. The next -- and final -- pitch Silva threw was hit by Kelly Shoppach for a home run.
"The pitch before that showed something," Riggleman said. "Kenji [Johjima] went out and checked on him, and Carlos said he was OK. After the home run, we went out, and he didn't protest too much about coming out."
I can't believe how often I've had to talk about this. I'm going to say it nice and slow, so that a fat idiot like Carlos Silva can't possibly misunderstand:
TRYING
TO
PITCH
THROUGH
PAIN
IS
STUPID
DON'T
TRY
EVER
Prior to the home run, Silva insisted he was okay to keep going. After the home run, he allowed Riggleman to take him out. We can infer from this that Silva believed his discomfort contributed to the home run, because otherwise he would've put up more of an argument. After all, he presumably wants to stay on the mound as long as he can. It wouldn't make sense for him to willingly leave the mound if he didn't think it necessary.
If Silva believes the discomfort contributed to the home run, that means he believes the discomfort made him pitch worse. If he believes the discomfort made him pitch worse, that means the discomfort was pretty substantial. If the discomfort was pretty substantial, he shouldn't have stayed on the mound in the first place. Because there's just nothing to gain by pitching when you hurt. Nothing.
Think about it. What's the possible upside? Proving yourself a warrior? Showing people that you have a lot of heart? Because the downsides are pretty obvious, and considering the upsides are personal while the downsides relate to the team, one could make the argument that trying to pitch through pain is the most selfish thing a player can do. It jeopardizes the team's big-picture goals for a shot at a pinch of individual glory. That's not being a hero, and it's not being a leader. It's being an asshole. Carlos Silva, you are a selfish asshole. Go shake hands with Miguel Batista. Perhaps you could form a club.
It's not up to the manager to know when a pitcher is laboring. He can guess, but only the pitcher knows how his body feels, and so pretty frequently he's the person who ultimately gets to make the call. Unfortunately, Silva decided to withhold pertinent information, and the team rather immediately suffered the consequences of his choice. Way to be a good teammate, stupid. Lying is totally good for everyone.
It's absurd the extent to which this whole pitching-through-pain thing is playing out. These guys really are that dumb. Can we get past this already? Pitching through pain doesn't make you a soldier. It makes you a careless idiot. A careless idiot who's putting both himself and his team at risk for all sorts of bad news.
If I never again saw another guy try to pitch through moderate discomfort, I'd die a happy man. Here's to the day we stop applauding people for being morons, because perhaps only then will the majority of them quit being moronic.
Biggest Contribution: Jose Vidro, +9.3%
Biggest Suckfest: Carlos Silva, -28.7%
Most Important AB: Beltre double, +6.4% ; Johjima DP, -6.4%
Most Important Pitch: Shoppach homer, -17.6%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -32.2%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -17.9%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +0.1%
(What is this chart?)
I caught wind of RRS' starter conversion this afternoon via a text message from Dave. As the story goes, he's texted me to tell me about RRS' conversion and Felix's mention of the Open Letter, whereas I've ruined a Christmas party and a pleasant weekend by texting him news of the Bedard and Vidro trades. But anyway, as you can imagine, I'm absolutely in favor of this. It sucks for RRS in the short term because he has to go back to AAA, but the big league team doesn't really have room for him to stretch out at the moment, so Tacoma's his best opportunity. And should he pitch well, it won't be long before we see him again. I have to imagine that Batista's not long for the rotation, and even if his spot goes to Dickey, dumping Washburn on someone before the deadline opens up another slot. So would the team finally conceding that Bedard's a wreck and shutting him down. There will almost certainly be innings to throw, so as long as RRS makes a decent transition, his minor league stint should be pretty brief.
Good luck to you, Ryan. This is your chance. Seize it. We're all rooting for you.
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D'awwwww
Young people in love…
The Typical Idiot Fan - July 21, 2008
Our rotation is going to blow ... blow worse I mean.
So if Bedard is out, Washburn potentially gone, RRS down, Silva fat, Batista terrible … what will our rotation consist of in the short term?
THE KING OF KINGS
Dick
?
?
?
?
HAY WHY DON’T WE START BAEK?
LULZ!! Oh, wait…
EnglishMariner - July 21, 2008
Baek hit a home run yesterday.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - July 21, 2008
Actually that reminds me
Remember when our rotation was supposed to be one of the best in the league?
EnglishMariner - July 21, 2008
You mean when we had
five aces?
naviomelo - July 21, 2008
Favorites to win the AL West.
Funny thing is while we spend time watching this disaster the Angels sit on top of the Majors with a 60-38 record.
We weren’t going to beat them this year even if EVERYTHING worked out.
ThundaPC - July 21, 2008
Remember when the people saying that were on crack?
Really, Felix_Bedard is pretty good, but everyone else on that list gave me a big “meh”. Combine that with our terrible defense and it’s not much of a surprise.
eponymous_coward - July 21, 2008
Did you know that the difference between Erik Bedard and Jarrod Washburn this year
Is 1/3rd of the price of having Raul play left field?
Graham MacAree - July 21, 2008
So does this mean that
Bedard and J-Wash are pretty close in terms of performance? Or Raul’s defense is so god awful that he dwarfs the difference between a #1 and a #4.
LantermanC - July 21, 2008
For this year, they've been close in performance.
Matthew - July 21, 2008
So an injured Bedard is still > healthy Washburn
That’s what that tells me.
eponymous_coward - July 21, 2008
Pain in Sports
“Here’s to the day we stop applauding people for being morons, because perhaps only then will the majority of them quit being moronic.”
If that’s true, then a lot of us have a lot to take back when we flayed Bedard for not protesting getting pulled enough.
When an athlete takes himself out of the game because of pain he is understood to be a pansy. When word of that gets around and his chances of proving himself again start to dry up… especially if it happens again. I agree Silva sucks and has a history of poor decision making, but lighten up… the only time we ever commend someone for taking time off is when they’re sucking. As soon as they say, “my back won’t stop twitching” or, “I can’t feel my legs” they’re a wimp. The religion of masculinity is strict.
nach - July 21, 2008
Which is why it is a religion that shouldn't be followed.
Pitchers that are healthy rather than pitching through pain are pitchers that are much more likely to win games—it’s obvious and it was well-stated by Jeff. To say that athletes should still continue to push through their pain due to a tradition of not looking weak is like saying that the FO shouldn’t change their strategies because change is scary.
Being afraid of losing one’s masculinity is irrelevant when one’s record is 4-12.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 21, 2008
Heh, the regulars here don't complain about Bedard because trying to pitch through anything even moderately serious
is A. harmful to yourself
and B. harmful to your team
seattlebruin - July 21, 2008
It is a stupid religion.
Jeff Sullivan - July 21, 2008
I want to make so many comments that will get me boxed.
JI - July 21, 2008
"If that’s true, then a lot of us have a lot to take back when we flayed Bedard for not protesting getting pulled enough."
Yes you do, because everyone who bitched about that is stupid.
Graham MacAree - July 21, 2008
"The religion of masculinity is strict."
I am so going to Masculinity Hell when I die.
JI - July 21, 2008
Say hi to Erik Bedard!
seattlebruin - July 21, 2008
My arm is sore and I can't wave.
JI - July 21, 2008
If your arm is that sore, then you seem to be following the religion of masculinity one way or the other
seattlebruin - July 21, 2008
There are no women in Masculinity Hell.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 21, 2008
It's just Longest Yard style in there
or like this Filipino prison
(I really hope this is the right video… watch the chick in the shorts)
seattlebruin - July 21, 2008
Why did I go out to see Hellboy 2
when I could have just watched this video 30 times in a row?
I would be saving 10 dollars for essentially the same plotline.
ErictheRed - July 21, 2008
Wouldn't it be mostly women?
I’m starting to like these ratios, and am proud of my damnation.
JI - July 21, 2008
Not according to those who are truly masculine.
Because if you’re not masculine, you wouldn’t get the ladies.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 21, 2008
I think you're missing the delicious irony
the the masculine men end up with the masculine ladies for all eternity.
JI - July 21, 2008
So this place is populated by Mr. & Mrs. Roger Clemens clones?
Jed MC - July 21, 2008
I actually liked your way better.
But it meant I didn’t get to win.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 21, 2008
Yeah but the hyper masculine ones are probably pricks.
JI - July 21, 2008
Always are.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 21, 2008
Yes there are.
Come to Olympia, and you’ll see plenty that would fit in Masculinity Hell…
PositivePaul - July 21, 2008
Morrow won't be a starter with Riggles in charge
Riggleman has now gone on record as saying JJ won’t get the closer role back until he pitches well enough to reclaim the job. And even then, Riggles says he may go with “co-closers.” Um, yeah, cause that’s precisely what a team with the worst record in the league needs—two guys who only come in for games where we’re winning. On the plus side, at least we don’t have to worry as much about blowing out one of our top young pitcher’s arms since he’s only going to see 50-70 innings a year at this rate, lmao.
Please hire someone competent in the GM role, Seattle!
Bodhizefa - July 21, 2008
I don't have a problem with Riggleman transitioning JJ back into the closer role.
BrianL - July 21, 2008
Neither do I...
but the problem lies in the fact that Riggles obviously sees Morrow as a closer. He’s not even thinking about him in terms of a possible starter. It’s a pretty big cluster** for an organization that just drafted an f’ing closer in the amateur draft and is about to pay him $2 million to sign!
Bodhizefa - July 21, 2008
Riggleman likely won't be around next season.
BrianL - July 21, 2008
Putz might not be around either if he pitches well.
JI - July 21, 2008
Morrow is not going to be a permanent closer.
They want Morrow to start. They’re just not going to stretch him out this season.
ThundaPC - July 21, 2008
This is extremely stupid on the team's part.
Because this is the PERFECT time to stretch him out- the games for the rest of the year mean jack shit, and basically the M’s might as well do Arizona Fall League.
Seriously, what’s a better way to do it? Send Morrow down to AAA for 2 months next year? Throw him to the wolves during a season where the M’s are contending?
eponymous_coward - July 21, 2008
Jose Canseco is awesome
It was a boxing match. A. BOXING. MATCH!
seattlebruin - July 21, 2008
Joke's on you, Jose
Gomez - July 21, 2008
Wow - Vai Sikahema
Hadn’t heard that name in years.
marc w - July 21, 2008
I'm sure Vai would welcome a rematch...
It’s always fun to kick a big dumb idiot’s butt.
LantermanC - July 21, 2008
Is there a recap for the Second Annual Stone Sour Fest?
It had to be better than the 21st Silva Fest of 2008.
Jed MC - July 21, 2008
Recap:
Hey this should be fun!
Delicious. Yes, yes, still nine more to try
Hmm, this one tastes kind of like the first one
Oh, whoa, wait. WAY too sour
I can’t…oh god I think it’s actually burning
I can’t drink another one of these.
Why would I do this to myself
oh my god why can’t i just find a normal beer i’m at stone for fuck’s sake
SOMEBODY GIVE ME A GOD DAMN PRETZEL
Jeff Sullivan - July 21, 2008
So it's kinda like watching Anthony Varvaro pitch
Gomez - July 21, 2008
You are the Eric Bedard of beer drinkers
G_ - July 21, 2008
I can't add anything to this.
Teej - July 21, 2008
At first I was really bummed that I was going to miss this for softball.
Then I overslept and missed softball too (stupid work schedule). But at least I didn’t miss too much at the sour fest.
AtomicGarden - July 21, 2008
I'm confused
Stone Sour Fest -> Escondido
LL Softball -> Seattle
AtomicGarden—> ?
seattlebruin - July 21, 2008
I hear they play softball in other locales too
Matthew - July 21, 2008
Sounded like he was referring to LL softball
hence the confusion
seattlebruin - July 21, 2008
Sounds about right
Seriously, if you’re a brewer, how do you tell if your beer has been spoiled by bacteria or wild yeast? Does making sour ales mean never having to say you screwed up?
Acetaldehyde levels through the charts? Call it ‘Green Apple Ale’ and market it to frat-boy dumbasses.
Spilled an ashtray into the barrel? Call it a craft rauchbier!
Fermentation never really started? Call it an ultra-light beer!
marc w - July 21, 2008
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