I don't usually do this, but since it's not worth coming up with a new way of saying the same thing, here's a giant blockquote from June 21st:
Staying on Bedard, but dealing with something totally different, all this criticism he's been getting for being a "100-pitch pitcher" - it's bullshit. It's bullshit. Not the statement; Bedard does indeed generally top out around 100-110. But the insinuations are bullshit. People - fans, coaches, and team officials alike - have used that line to accuse Bedard of being soft, of being too selfish and not caring enough about the team. They wanted a workhorse and feel like they've been stuck with a burro, and they're upset about it. They feel like Bedard should be giving something more.
Here's the thing: no one knows a pitcher better than the pitcher. No one. You can monitor his velocity or look at how much he's sweating or see if he's slowing down his pace, but only the pitcher truly knows if he has anything left in the tank. And if he doesn't, then it benefits nobody to leave him out on the hill to "gut it out." Assuming that Bedard really is only capable of throwing ~100 pitches - which seems like a safe assumption, since that's how he's been his entire career - then why on earth would you want him to try and go longer? Especially being as fragile as he is.
You know who hasn't gotten any complaints about being soft? Jarrod Washburn. Jarrod Washburn is a gamer who leaves it all on the mound, and then some. He's the kind of pitcher a manager loves to have, a real bulldog. A bulldog with a career OPS against of 1.013 after 100 pitches.
This is why good-old-boys baseball is stupid. Because those people are mad at Bedard for being smart and happy with Washburn for being retarded. This kind of relates to the whole fallacy about playing through injuries. If you're hurt and the pain is negatively affecting your performance, you shouldn't be playing. It's the same way with fatigue. If a pitcher is tired - and I see no reason to doubt that Bedard wears down around 100 pitches - then, as much as your standard Reconstruction Era manager might like to see him man up, the prudent thing to do is for the pitcher to be honest about his condition. That's good for the team, far better than any psychological boost the guys might get from watching a tired starter suck it up and jeopardize his health while throwing worse pitches than he was at the beginning. That's why you have bullpens.
If you want to criticize Bedard for not showing enough emotion or for not working hard enough in practice, then whatever, go right ahead. But what really matters is what a player does between the lines during a game, and Bedard is catching flak for doing what's right. I'm sorry, but I just find that beyond ridiculous.
Two weeks later, we're still hearing the same stuff - Bedard has girl parts, and he needs to man up, because he's been advertised as an ace, and manning up is what aces are supposed to do. Aces don't come out of a game at 99 pitches. True aces "throw left until there's nothing left." It's the only way.
For one thing, this isn't anything new. What follows is a list of Bedard's average pitches per appearance in starts lasting at least five innings (thereby eliminating the games from which he was removed due to injury or ineffectiveness):
2005: 106
2006: 103
2007: 106
2008: 102
It's a drop, yeah, but hardly a significant one. Four pitches is about one batter. If the Mariners have a huge problem with Bedard's in-game stamina, then presumably they should've had the same concerns when they traded for him, which means either (A) they didn't do their research, or (B) they're yelling at the rooster for crowing at the sun. Bedard's been dogged by durability questions for his entire career, and to complain about them now - especially when the team has so many way bigger problems - is diversionary, senseless, and more than a little mean-spirited. It is and has always been a known issue. Deal with it.*
* Did you know that Carlos Silva hasn't thrown a single fastball at 98 miles per hour all year long? Outrageous!
For another...look, this isn't about Erik Bedard coming out at 100 pitches. It is on the surface, but this is what you find when you really get down to the details:
(1) People are mad at Erik Bedard for not throwing enough pitches
(2) Therefore, people are mad at Erik Bedard for coming out of games too early
(3) Erik Bedard's in-game stamina hasn't really changed all that much, if at all
(4) Erik Bedard has simply been less effective than he was a year ago
(5) Therefore, people are mad at Erik Bedard for being less effective
(6) Erik Bedard is less effective because he's dealing with a litany of aches and pains in his hip, back, and shoulder
(7) Therefore, people are mad at Erik Bedard for getting injured
(8) Erik Bedard has always been injury-prone
(9) Therefore, people are mad at Erik Bedard for being Erik Bedard
I guess this isn't "another thing" so much as it is a continuation of the first thing, but anyway. Is it really fair to be upset with someone because he got injured? Bedard might've even been better off just going on the 60-day DL as soon as he hurt his hip, since at least that way the insults would be less personal. However, he's decided to pitch through all the soreness and stiffness, and rather than applauding Bedard for being tough, fans have blasted him for not throwing more, for not throwing better. Blasted him for pushing his already fragile body to the limit, because the limit isn't high enough. Blasted him for being soft and for being a quitter, even though the mere fact that he still pitches despite every indication that God disapproves is evidence to the contrary. Blasted him for essentially being what he's always been, because he was sold as the savior in a season that's gone to shit.
Look, if you want to label Erik Bedard a disappointment, that's fine. I'd even agree with you. I expected a hell of a lot more than what he's given. But to imply that he's a bad teammate and somehow less of a man because he wasn't blessed with a durable body, and because he knows his own limits...no. No. It goes beyond the threshold of acceptable frustration and approaches a level of irrational invective from which, given all the Snelling and Griffey love, I thought we were immune. I guess I was wrong.
Erik Bedard hasn't done as well as we thought he would. Meanwhile, a bunch of other players haven't done anything at all. Try to set aside your feelings about the trade for one minute and take heed of what's really important. Do I wish Bedard were more durable? Of course I do. I also wish Felix threw a fastball that rises and had a little strobe light in the middle of his forehead that would on every pitch activate upon release of the ball and flash and also emit a high piercing squeal so as to leave the batter in a state of blinding agony. But the reality is that Felix is Felix and Bedard is Bedard, and while everyone on the team could theoretically be doing better than they are, the fact of the matter is that you are as you were born, and there's nothing anyone can do to change it.
Erik Bedard is a pretty fragile pitcher. He's also a pretty effective pitcher. Lay off of the guy and realize that, should the Mariners make a run for it next year with Bedard still in the dugout, there are few other arms in the league you'd rather have pitching for the good guys. 99 solid pitches can pack a hell of a punch.
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Great write and agreed
There cannot be enough permabannings for this
JI - July 7, 2008
At the very least penalty boxings.
I’m so sick of that shit.
BrianL - July 7, 2008
*write up
JI - July 7, 2008
Bedard hasn't hit a grand slam off Johan Santana.
BOOOOOO!
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
This whole Erik Bedard thing really shouldn't have to be said over and over again
Have you not been watching the games?
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
Re: strobe light and high pitched squeal.
Such a thing can be arranged for a price…
dbroncos31 - July 7, 2008
Y'all are weird.
Two Rs and Two Ls - July 7, 2008
You're just now noticing this?
Aaron Campeau - July 7, 2008
I am prepared to go to jail for this.
Robert - July 7, 2008
Bedard
was supposed to be a savior. Last time I checked that meant dying for our sins. If he’s going to pull himself after 5 innings, how the heck is he ever going to die?! At this point he’s barely sweating, let alone bleeding from the forehead and hands.
johnbai - July 7, 2008
He needs to come back in the 8th?
Gomez - July 7, 2008
SUCCESS!
Two Rs and Two Ls - July 7, 2008
Geoff Baker's blog causes my Firefox to crash and I haven't had Firefox crash in months.
I think it’s Firefox’s way of telling me Geoff Baker is an idiot.
Goose - July 7, 2008
He's not an idiot he's just a terrible armchair GM
Geoff Baker is a really cool person and not bad at beatwriting, he’s just really bad at roster construction and talent evaluation.
BrettJMiller - July 7, 2008
I don't care if he's a good person. Or if he's good at beat writing.
He’s been saying really stupid shit over and over and over. So he’s an idiot.
Goose - July 7, 2008
He is proving to learn from his mistakes, though.
I find that refreshing in a journalist.
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
He seems to be selective in which mistakes he learns from.
But better than learning from none I suppose.
Goose - July 7, 2008
It takes time to come to the light.
It takes him longer than most because he has to believe what he writes is true first. Then he has to be convinced otherwise, which can be a difficult wall to breakdown. A perfect example of this is over at HH. However, I don’t think they are ever going to come to the light, unlike someone like Baker who is willing to listen to other points of view.
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
Geoff is a great beat writer.
Geoff is a lousy talent evaluator.
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Great post Jeff.
It is such bullshit that he’s actually getting “booed” for pitching through pain and still being effective.
dbroncos31 - July 7, 2008
I have a theory:
1. The fans are looking for a scapegoat.
2. Sexson used to be the scapegoat.
3. Bedard is now the scapegoat.
4. Sexson and Bedard are both white.
5. It is racist to scapegoat a player who is not white.
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
JI - July 7, 2008
Is Joh getting booed?
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
Was anyone defending him in the press against this slack jawed yokel?
JI - July 7, 2008
I know it's obvious but
besides the nagging injuries thing, Bedard is also less effective (not going as far with his 100 pitches) because he has a terrible defense behind him, making him pitch to more batters each inning.
Eyebrows - July 7, 2008
Which brings us back to blaming Raul Ibanez
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
I blame the parents.
And the education system.
Thingray - July 7, 2008
And American Idol.
And Britney Spears.
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
The terrorists
have indeed won.
AZSEAfan - July 7, 2008
Britney Spears used to be so hot
seattlebruin - July 7, 2008
If you try to forget that, the hurt goes away
dbroncos31 - July 7, 2008
Bad teams focus their frustrations on their best players.
So do their fans. And their local media. And their management. And everybody.
Gomez - July 7, 2008
Except us.
Matthew - July 7, 2008
But I thought Ichiro hurts this team!
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
For all of our unabashed Ichiro and Felix love
part of me finds it amusing that we’re the most rational.
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Right
Gomez - July 7, 2008
But is that really what they're doing?
Why Bedard? Why not Ichiro? Why not Beltre? Guys like Johjima and Richie have been catching a lot of flak, and they’re terrible.
Jeff Sullivan - July 7, 2008
Well fans and media have been on Ichiro and Beltre too.
Just not as loudly as the local media has been crowing over Bedard.
Matthew - July 7, 2008
You know who's escaped?
Miguel Cairo.
Jeff Sullivan - July 7, 2008
It's hard to disappoint people when they have no expectations to begin with.
JI - July 7, 2008
From the media or us?
Because I know we’ve raked him over the coals.
Matthew - July 7, 2008
We don't count
Jeff Sullivan - July 7, 2008
You count in my book.
JI - July 7, 2008
And in mine!
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Online is a medium.
There is more than one of us, hence media!
Matthew - July 7, 2008
butthol doesn't count
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
Bedard was sold as our saviour.
He’s an outsider, and the media dislikes him. Once he was injured and we started to tank, it was inevitable.
JI - July 7, 2008
I think it's the natural media bias against Canadians.
Mariner John - July 7, 2008
JI - July 7, 2008
With Joh and Richie and Vidro,
everyone knows they’re terrible and boos them.
And like Matthew said, there was a lot of shit slung at Adrian and Ichiro. Remember the articles about how they aren’t taking extra BP and not being “leaders?”
Also, as JI said, Bedard is an outsider and has no ties to last year’s team that was awesome compared to ‘08.
dbroncos31 - July 7, 2008
As soon as people remembered Adrian has a busted thumb
and Ichiro has his own awesome routine, that whole BP argument died.
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Yes, but people were still trying to blame them.
It turned out that trying to blame them made people look uber retarded, so it stopped.
dbroncos31 - July 7, 2008
Ichiro and Beltre still get their share of crap
Gomez - July 7, 2008
Yeah, I guess I've conditioned myself to ignore them for so long that I forgot.
Jeff Sullivan - July 7, 2008
To the extent Bedard's getting right now?
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Mariner John - July 7, 2008
I haven't even paid attention to the magnitude of all the Bedard hate.
Certainly the source behind this is that people who didn’t pay attention to Bedard before heard how he was such an awesome pitcher and that we were getting an established staff ace. Those same people ignored the concerns of others that he’s never lasted beyond 200-innings a season.
Me, I was pushing for Felix to be the staff ace whlie Bedard settles in confortably as a #2 guy. If I’m not mistaken, both Felix and Bedard had one opening day start each before 2008. Felix’s openning campaign (before his injury) was far better than Bedard’s.
But it’s amazing that there are people that jump all over Bedard for being a pitcher that throws 100-pitches in only 5 innings. Holy smokes, there are so many reasons why this team tanked. Why more people are mad at him for not pushing his body beyond his limit than say, Miguel Batista, who’s been battling through injuries the whole season to pile up 10 losses, I’ll never know.
And then there’s Geoff Baker’s awesome result-based analysis (because this is a result-based game you know), leads him to the conclusion that “Washburn gives you the same thing as Bedard.” Washburn has run a shiny 2.30 ERA in his last 5 starts. Does this sound familiar? Sounds like the same thing he did early last season before he regressed to the mean. Also sounds like what he did in his final year as an LA Angel before Bavasi locked him up as a Mariner for 4-years. Result-based analysis, indeed.
ThundaPC - July 7, 2008
Do people not remember five years ago ....
when the Mariners were teaching pitchers up and down the system to suck it up when they got tired to better build up their strength and endurance. And simultaneously the Mariners were one of leaders in baseball at having pitchers go down with arm injuries????
I don’t perceive the Mariners have pushed that as heavily – ever since Stan Williams and Lou Piniella left – and pitcher health has improved markedly.
Steve Nelson - July 7, 2008
No, people don't remember.
People are stupid.
Matthew - July 7, 2008
9/11 never happened.
It was filmed up in Alaska.
Wilder. - July 7, 2008
I remember goddammit.
I read it in BP 2004(?) when BP was worth reading.
JI - July 7, 2008
I meant the people that are criticizing Bedard.
Matthew - July 7, 2008
I know.
JI - July 7, 2008
Bobby Madritsch....
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Clint Nageotte was the one that really killed me
Robert - July 7, 2008
I had a completely irrational love affair with Bobby.
BrianL - July 7, 2008
I loved his slider.
Matthew - July 7, 2008
He sweats too much to ever be a MLB pitcher.
JI - July 7, 2008
Part of his charm.
From a distance.
Matthew - July 7, 2008
I take that back
I want to see a pitcher thrown “The Sweater”
JI - July 7, 2008
Bullshit it just makes them better
Robert - July 7, 2008
Nice forkball, greaser. HEY watch out for that suitcase
Gomez - July 7, 2008
I'm not sure if your mocking him
But if you are than I don’t like you.
Robert - July 7, 2008
I admit I was going fishing with that one
Gomez - July 7, 2008
*rabid angry wife
JI - July 7, 2008
that just made him even cooler
Robert - July 7, 2008
All my favorite ex-players play for the LI Ducks
Robert - July 7, 2008
The problem isn't the 100 pitches...
it’s the fact that those 100 pitches are only getting us 5-6 innings. If he was making it through 7-8 innings and coming out after 100 pitches every time (even “pulling himself out”), nobody would be complaining.
The less-savvy fans are complaining about the wrong thing—his lack of effectiveness that causes his high pitch count per inning is the problem—not any kind of “wussiness”
edgar is good - July 7, 2008
I would argue that he's been quite effective.
JI - July 7, 2008
Effective, not efficient.
kentroyals5 - July 7, 2008
If only he would stop trying to get strikeouts
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
He took a look at the defense behind him and said
“Fuck this, I’m doing it myself.”
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Yes, efficient is a better word for what I meant
I keyed off Jeff’s use of “effective” in the original post (“Erik Bedard has simply been less effective than he was a year ago”) effective, when efficient is actually the correct word. In past years Bedard has not been a 100-pitches-in-5-innings guy.
I agree his run-prevention effectiveness has been pretty good.
edgar is good - July 7, 2008
If the defence could make plays...
Graham MacAree - July 7, 2008
Lack of effectiveness due to injuries and bad defense.
I just don’t feel it’s right to blast Bedard for these things.
Jeff Sullivan - July 7, 2008
Only women understand defense.
JI - July 7, 2008
I always fuck this up when the comment is at the bottom of the page.
JI - July 7, 2008
It's okay.
I forgive you.
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Don't make excuses for your fuck ups.
And we are quite good at defense.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
I have actually seen this movie
Robert - July 7, 2008
So have I
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
Robert - July 7, 2008
You didn't even have to dropp your pants for that rec.
JI - July 7, 2008
I'm trying to get my record legitmately for a while
Robert - July 7, 2008
Pants dropping is legit.
JI - July 7, 2008
I beg to differ.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Rec's are rec's.
JI - July 7, 2008
Some people dont think they count if you ask for them
Robert - July 7, 2008
Where do you draw the line?
How far is too far in the quest to get recs?
BrianL - July 7, 2008
I'm not rec'ing Robert for dropping his pants.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Your loss
Robert - July 7, 2008
LFoJL gives it away for free.
JI - July 7, 2008
Not to everyone though.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Thank Jesus for that.
JI - July 7, 2008
Your next
Robert - July 7, 2008
adblock motherfucker
JI - July 7, 2008
No. Really?
BrianL - July 7, 2008
What does the tagline say?
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Self Defense isn't murder
Robert - July 7, 2008
I said it less gayly
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
Your the only person that can't say that to me
Robert - July 7, 2008
Self Defense isn't murder
Robert - July 7, 2008
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
Wheres my face on it damnit
Robert - July 7, 2008
Tomorrow sweetums
I gots ta go now
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
You make me so uncomfortable.
JI - July 7, 2008
I liked it better when Jeff's face twitched.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
I liked it when it was the Sea Captain.
JI - July 7, 2008
I had that ready to go to
BrianL - July 7, 2008
Self Defense isn't murder
Last Fan Of Jose Lopez - July 7, 2008
Damn straight.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Not an excuse.
JI - July 7, 2008
Robert - July 7, 2008
Well done.
BrianL - July 7, 2008
My click missed.
JI - July 7, 2008
See, that was an excuse.
JI - July 7, 2008
A wonderous one.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
I enjoy this comment.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
It's the truth.
JI - July 7, 2008
If you squint your eyes just right it gets even better
Robert - July 7, 2008
This is also why I enjoy this comment.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
Graham comment should stop dressing like it wants it.
JI - July 7, 2008
This place gets stranger by the day
Graham MacAree - July 7, 2008
And there's his RSS feed working.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 7, 2008
I try so hard to make sure I don't go off topic in actual posts
These two fuckers always drag me into it.
Robert - July 7, 2008
I tried the hardest to stay on topic.
JI - July 7, 2008
nah nah
Robert - July 7, 2008
what?
JI - July 7, 2008
I was trying to make the sound you make when you stick out your tongue
Robert - July 7, 2008
pbbbt?
JI - July 7, 2008
No that's raspberries
Robert - July 7, 2008
nah nah nuh nah nah?
JI - July 7, 2008
no
I think nuh nah works better.
Robert - July 7, 2008
nuht uh
JI - July 7, 2008
there we go
Robert - July 7, 2008
Link broken? Guillen redux?
Jeff, in you post, you link to an article in the Oakland paper. I suppose that’s a mistake.
I am not really following Seattle media much but I am worried. This situation has Carlos Guillen 2004 written all over it.
vj - July 8, 2008
The link was deliberate.
Scroll down in the article.
Jeff Sullivan - July 8, 2008
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