Remember when, according to some, Carlos Silva was the best free agent pitcher available this winter?
Remember when, upon missing out on Hiroki Kuroda, the Mariners panicked about their starting rotation, signing said Silva to a $48M, 4 year contract?
Remember certain parties (e.g. me) saying that they hated the contract, but Silva was reasonably valuable and likely to improve the team, provided there was a reasonable defence behind him?
Remember how I didn't have tRA for any year before 2007 at that point?
Because holy crap was I wrong.

In his years with Minnesota, Silva's lowest tRA (which is scaled against RA, not ERA, as I hope most of you remember) was 4.70, good for 61st in MLB among all qualified pitchers. That's a really fringey #2 pitcher. In his best year.
In his worst year with the Twins, 2006, his tRA stood at a majestic 6.71. To put this in perspective, Jeff Weaver posted a 5.39 mark with us last year, while the giant pile of crap we traded Soriano for put up a tRA of 6.50. Silva's pRAA (pitching runs above average) that year?
-31.9. !
Over the course of his career in the Metrodome, Silva was worth -22.6 runs compared to a league average pitcher.
Good stuff. Please allow yourself to have another look at the title of this post and a little shudder of rage.
But this can't all be about how bad he'd been before we signed him, because he's been plenty bad -after- we signed him too.
2008: 5.65 tRA, which is 84% of league average, leading to a pRAA of -16.0. This is quite probably below replacement level. This should correspond with an ERA of around 5.20, but since the baseball gods have a wonderful sense of humour, it's sitting at a shiny 6.46.
Since last year: Less strikeouts, more walks, more HBP, less ground balls, more OF fly balls, more line drives, more infield flies, more home runs per ball in air.
Basically Silva got worse at everything except generating popups, and got stuck in a team which has had a defence ranging from 'bleh' to 'catastrophic'. Which I guess is good news, because he pretty much has to start regressing progressing somewhere for next year - this was pretty much the worst season you could reasonably have expected out of him. But even if he improves he'll be lucky to make it within 5 runs of league average over a full season.
Remember when we were saying this about Sexson last year too?
GOD.
0 recs | 41 comments
Aha!
The floor!
Dewey N - September 21, 2008
Not quite!
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
Mayhaps it's a sinking floor
Dewey N - September 21, 2008
Granted, that 2006 tRA was due to ridiculously bad home run rates
that were never going to hold up.
Matthew - September 21, 2008
Yes, but it's hard to deny that it happened.
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
Not trying to, just thinking that a three year model of his tRA* coming into this year
would probably have him at about a 95 tRA+ or so.
Matthew - September 21, 2008
Probably something around that, yeah
Which is… a 4/5, right?
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
Which league?
JI - September 21, 2008
That's not a 5.
Matthew - September 21, 2008
So is it a 4, or a "go back to AAA or the bullpen"?
eponymous_coward - September 21, 2008
It's a last-year's Jarrod Washburn
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
That's bad?
Or does Carlos Silva come with sprinkles?
eponymous_coward - September 21, 2008
That's pretty ok for a back-end player.
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
OK
But i doesn’t sounds like you should ever give someone like that a 4 year deal for 36 (Washburn) or 48 (Silva) million dollars, unless you’re fucking retarded like Bill Bavasi.
eponymous_coward - September 21, 2008
Performance evaluation is separate from contract evaluation.
Matthew - September 21, 2008
Not sure; they're pretty tightly bunched around 90-100
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
But yes, much closer to a 4 than a 5, upon further review
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
Wow. Carlos Silva really sucks.
But he has lots of money, so he can’t be too upset about it.
b_rider - September 21, 2008
I now feel stupid for letting you correct me when I said Sliva sucked.
JI - September 21, 2008
I wonder where Bavasi ranks amongst the all time worst GMs.
JI - September 21, 2008
Someone should make a fanpost comparing him to Woody Woodward
katal - September 21, 2008
Woodward's FA signing records are nothing like Bavasi's
Richie Sexson + Silva + Beluga Tits + Washburn + Mo Vaughn is about $200 million in suck.
eponymous_coward - September 21, 2008
Woodward had some pretty awful trades
And couldn’t get a team overrun with HoF talent into the World Series.
katal - September 21, 2008
Wow Kuroda's been really good this year
Dewey N - September 21, 2008
Stop it.
EnglishMariner - September 21, 2008
You mean 4-5 starter good.
Slurvey - September 21, 2008
No?
Dewey N - September 21, 2008
Fine 3rd starter good.
Slurvey - September 21, 2008
2nd starter good.
Dewey N - September 21, 2008
He has had an impressive MLB debut this season
Solid numbers, strong tRA, and strong effort behind Lowe/Billingsley no less.
Gomez - September 21, 2008
That is pushing it right there.
Slurvey - September 21, 2008
Reply button.
And Kuroda has been something like the 10th-best pitcher in the NL this season. I’ll take that as a No. 2.
Teej - September 21, 2008
His tRA is 5.6 but you say his ERA should be around 5.2
Is this just a park correction? You shouldn’t forget to adjust for our shitty ass defense.
Also, Graham/Matthew is it possible to post a tRA that is adjusted for park and team defense and then show the difference between that and ERA to show how far off the player’s ERA actually is. Just an idea for your site and tRA.
Edgar for Pres - September 21, 2008
And by tRA adjusted for park and team defense
I guess I really mean unadjust for it.
Edgar for Pres - September 21, 2008
No, it's an earned vs. unearned runs 'correction'.
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
Ah yes. Stupid mistake
Edgar for Pres - September 21, 2008
Is it reasonable to hope for a dead cat bounce out of SIlva in 2009?
Gomez - September 21, 2008
Yes
Graham MacAree - September 21, 2008
First person to turn this into a fat joke gets banned
Jeff Sullivan - September 21, 2008
You know that by saying this you are only inviting Fogel to come in here and say something so clever that you feel bad about banning him
Robert - September 22, 2008
I took the high road this time
Dewey N - September 22, 2008
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