Before I get to anything else, there are a lot of people I'd like to thank for helping make this past weekend an absolute blast:
Now then, on to the talk. Derek already threw up his summary a few days ago, and it's a good one - it includes most of the goodies, and I'm not looking to repeat anything he's already published. Certainly, if you missed the Q&A, you'll want to read his post.
Rather, instead of going over every point of discussion that came up on Saturday, more than anything else I just want to reiterate something we've thought for a while, but of which I am now more confident than ever: the Seattle Mariners - our Seattle Mariners - are in good hands.
If you're afraid that we've been jumping the gun by singing the praises of this new administration, be afraid no more. Seriously. We all had our reservations about the Zduriencik front office, but after a few months of seeing them work and hearing them talk, I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is the management we've always wanted. Management that can make us good and keep us good. That was actually the unofficial theme of the whole Q&A, I think - that the people in charge have every intention of setting the Mariners up to contend for a long, long time. Those words about getting good and staying good - those aren't mine. Those are Blengino's, and he must have said them three or four times.
With one Felix-related exception that was probably more of a misunderstanding than anything, all four of those guys said all the right things all day long. They talked about BABIP. They talked about defense. They talked about Felix. They talked about Clement. They talked about rebuilding and reloading at the same time. In response to almost every single (appropriate) question, they hit a home run, and in so doing earned a few spontaneous rounds of applause and, at the end, a sustained standing ovation. Sitting up there next to these guys, it blew my mind that these were the Seattle Mariners, and that they were able to reignite my passion for a fallen ballclub with spoken word in January. The whole thing was, in a word, impressive.
Even more impressive was the dedication the four representatives showed by sticking around for four hours while declining to take a halftime intermission. Faces were getting long around 4:30 or so, both at the table and in the audience, and I think we nearly exhausted to death some of the people responsible for trying to save the franchise, but the fact that they sat around to answer fan questions for so long and then stayed afterwards to answer more and shake some hands said so much about their character. These are busy people, and all they got from the talk were four sore throats and, in Fusco's case, a few dollars' worth of recyclable plastic, but they couldn't have been better sports, and for that I can't adequately express my appreciation. While it couldn't have been easy, they sure made it seem like it was.
In all, this was an excellent event, and I'm telling you, given everything we've seen and heard out of this organization since the Zduriencik hiring, we're headed in the right direction. I'm sure of it. The front office is smart, it's getting smarter every day, and there are enough internal checks and balances that no one man will be running the ship. It's going to be a collective effort, and when you put that many intelligent and experienced people together in one place working towards a common cause, it's not easy to fail. We're going to get there. I know we're going to get there. It's only a matter of time.
Go Mariners.
(After the jump you'll find some brief commentary on the places we went to eat and drink. Feel free to skip.)

Uber Tavern: casual atmosphere, with easy but limited seating and an extensive tap and bottle list with good quality and diversity. Featured a Dogfish I'd never heard of before (Olde School). Wasn't hard to get the bartender's attention. Pretty good prices, to boot. Highly recommended.
Julia's on Broadway: I seem to remember getting a beer here, although I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Solid if unspectacular buffalo wings accompanied by disappointing lettuce. Lousy ventilation, although that may have been a one-time thing. Saved by pleasant and helpful service.
Stumbling Monk: quality over quantity on the beer list, and while the diversity of the selection isn't incredible, you should know from the name of the place what you're getting into. Couldn't be better at what it does. As a fan of Toronado, I love a place like this, where the customers know what they're doing and the lighting makes the place look closed from the outside until you notice that some of the shadows are moving. My favorite kind of haunt. Every city ought to have a bar like this. Note: no food.
Piecora's Pizza: as the post-Stumbling Monk destination, I know only that there was pizza and that I ate it and that I didn't see it again later which I think is pretty good all things considered.
Elysian Brewing Company: you don't need me to talk about Elysian. The Idefex is boring. Standard atmosphere and standard service for a place of its type. Not the setting for much intellectual conversation.
Collins Pub: pretty good (predominantly regional) beer selection, provided you make note of the handwritten list and ask the bartender what is and isn't available, as their printed menus become outdated in a hurry. It's hard for me to hate a place that has The Abyss on tap. A little bit pricey, but not exorbitantly so, and the selection, food, and service are worth it. If you go there, and you see Amy working the taps or the floor, give her a hug, because she's super. The owner is a total beer geek. Keep your eye out for awesome upcoming events.
Taphouse Grill: lots of beers on tap, but nothing exceptional - it's pretty much all the same stuff you can find in other places, only it costs a little more. I've been here a few times, and while it's not bad or anything, it feels kind of soulless, and ought to be better than it is. A place to drink, but not a place to spend the entire evening. Note: the ice cubes are sufficiently pointy to serve as an effective weapon capable of drawing blood.
Michou: a pleasant surprise in the Market with a broad selection of paninis and pastas, among other stuff. Patient and helpful service. Three mozzarella sticks for $1. Three mozzarella sticks for $1. Three mozzarella sticks for $1. I'm going to keep repeating this until you get in the car and drive downtown to pick up three mozzarella sticks for $1 (or a multiple of three mozzarella sticks for a corresponding multiple of $1). Loved it.
Lusty Lady: we totally should've. Who can pass up a $0.25 peep show? I've decided that the only thing more uncomfortable than seeing people walk into the Lusty Lady is seeing people walk out of the Lusty Lady.
Seattle Tap Room: I hate trying to drink beer in airports.
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More brewers need to brew sours, and more bars need to serve them. They can be overwhelming in excess (much like pretty much any other kind of quality beer, particularly strong IPAs), but on their own, they're incredibly refreshing and a great way to either begin or conclude an evening. Learn from the Duchesse. This is a market that needs to be more effectively explored.
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God damnit I hate living in New York
Fett42 - January 12, 2009
It doesn’t seem possible does it?
JI - January 12, 2009
*Sadly I will not be able to bitch about not getting a recap for the next 7 months
JI - January 12, 2009
I thought about writing last June's recap in lieu of this one
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2009
I'd prefer to still be able to bitch about that one.
JI - January 12, 2009
The problem with writing that one is that it is full of fuck you you fucking fuck
Robert - January 12, 2009
In retrospect, I should have offered you a napkin to clean up the blood.
Robert - January 12, 2009
I wasn't even there
JI - January 12, 2009
You must also hate keyboards because you are a retard and can't follow a simple conversation.
Robert - January 12, 2009
Try responding to the comment of someone who was in the building.
JI - January 12, 2009
What's it feel like to have a joke that only 6 people get.
Robert - January 12, 2009
Considering I made "whoops-a-doodle" into a meme
I’d say pretty smug and self-satisfied
JI - January 12, 2009
It's not really a meme when its been adopted into the everyday vocabulary of half a dozen users
Robert - January 12, 2009
Well that's way better than a meme
JI - January 12, 2009
I didn't notice for hours
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2009
The motorists of downtown Seattle will never forget him flashing across their bumpers.
Aaron Campeau - January 12, 2009
The Elysian is probably the most mediocre brewpub in Seattle
I have never understood the appeal of that place.
pdb - January 12, 2009
Elbow room.
Can bring a large party in there no problem. Particularly after a show with drunk actors and even drunker audience members.
rtang - January 12, 2009
location, decent prices, and a relatively decent changing list of speciality taps
(plus the collaboration with New Belgium).
I equate very similarly to Brouwer’s. I go there, and it seems like it should be an awesome place, but it just never is. And yet, constantly mediocre for everyone tends to win out.
Matthew - January 13, 2009
Lots of seating is a good thing
johnbai - January 13, 2009
The thing that kills Brouwer's
In my book is that every time I go in there they are playing the worst music I can imagine…I mean, the place has a good vibe, a nice selection of beers, these cool old wooden booths…and yet it’s always shitty death metal on the stereo…how does that fit?
Sportszilla - January 13, 2009
I would kill to hear death metal in Brouwer's.
Whenever I go in it’s God-awful Top-40. Music to self-tan by.
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2009
It usually seems to be more metal than not to me.
But either way, it’s played at far far far far too high a volume. If I have to talk loudly to be heard by the person sitting next to me at a bar, then the music needs to come down.
Matthew - January 13, 2009
Knowing one of the bartenders there but never having gone when he's working
this isn’t at all surprising.
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2009
And while I don't disagree that it sounds like the music is too loud
I should find out when he’s working because I like metal way more than the music they usually play when I’m in there.
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2009
Irritating because it's an incredibly easy fix that would make Brouwer's 100% more likable.
Currently, I only go there for beer fests because I cannot stand the experience.
Matthew - January 13, 2009
I am not a fan of Brouwer's, but if they were playing metal instead of dance music
I would be fine with it as a post-work beer stop.
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2009
It's never been death metal in the times I've been there
Robert - January 13, 2009
Strong beers, that is all.
Sec 108 - January 13, 2009
IIRC our only real reason for going there after LL Football was that it was close by and served halfway decent food & beer
Gomez - January 13, 2009
I really wish I could've come,
but I’m stuck in Texas for the most part these days. I’m happy to see/hear the positive direction the franchise is headed though, and eagerly awaiting April.
JMKaustin - January 12, 2009
Vis a via the Taphouse (and a few others)
I totally agree on the soulless part, but the fact that they’ve got 160+ beers (most of which are good) makes it a nice place to know about, especially if you’re going out with friends who may be learning about beer: you have an abundance of choices, and my experience has been that most of the staff (bartenders especially) know enough to help you out. The food is mediocre though, and the prices are slightly above average during the day, so it’s not a can’t-miss place. Full disclosure: my roommate works there.
I love Uber, it’s one of my favorite places, but it is TINY. I tried to bring a half-dozen people there one night and we basically jammed the place up (there were a few other folks in the bar before us).
Piecora’s is pretty damn good if you’re in the area.
Sportszilla - January 12, 2009
Explain the suit on Saturday if you may
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2009
Impressed you noticed
I had just come from coaching my 12-year-old sister’s first basketball game, and in an attempt to compensate for the fact that I’d never done it before, I figured I might as well look the part. I think it actually helped.
Sportszilla - January 12, 2009
Taphouse gave me the heebie jeebies.
Aaron Campeau - January 12, 2009
I just don't think you can beat the Jolly roger for Seattle brewpubs
both in terms of atmosphere and beer. But then, I haven’t lived in Seattle for a pretty long while.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 12, 2009
ugh
I may have just had a bad experience the one time I went there, but that place reeked of bleach, the beer was flat, and the food was cold. I won’t be back any time soon.
pdb - January 12, 2009
I was also not impressed with Jolly Roger.
Matthew - January 13, 2009
I could be clinging to an old, mentally altered idyll
Bearskin Rugburn - January 13, 2009
You and me both
I was there once, in about 2000, and it was amazing.
I don’t really know why I haven’t been back, but it sounds like it’s been hit by the Circumstances.
marc w - January 13, 2009
"Also Blengino couldn't stop reminding me of Harold Ramis"
only not so Canadian.
msb - January 12, 2009
I was really impressed with that guy, the whole panel was great but he struck me.
Not right away like Carmen Fusco, now that guy can tell a story. Impeccable timing.
Blengino is the kind of guy that gets me later. He seemed to really want to take a bite at every question, I felt you could see him weighing possible answers against what he can/can’t discuss about the team- if he couldn’t find a way to provide an intelligent answer within the restrictions, only then would he take a pass. Real sharp, quick mind, very engaging.
Kermit. - January 12, 2009
He also really liked water.
There’s a reason he was the first and third member of the panel to take a break.
He also was assistant GM to Steve Philips. It’s difficult to wrap my head around trusting someone who was assistant GM to Steve Philips. Sure liked his stories though.
crushedoptimist - January 12, 2009
Fusco not Blengino, by the way
Blengino was one impressive fellow.
Well, so was the entire panel, to be honest. Really good time.
crushedoptimist - January 13, 2009
Don't cross the streams!
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2009
Stranger Danger Stranger Danger Stranger Danger
Robert - January 12, 2009
Delicious!
royalcurve - January 12, 2009
I vaguely remember agreeing with you on this.
Robert - January 12, 2009
ROBERT
DRINK
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2009
This is what got me in trouble in the first place
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2009
It was one of the more terrifying facial expressions I've ever seen.
Aaron Campeau - January 12, 2009
I second this.
royalcurve - January 13, 2009
Robert's Paint drinking in review(tm)
Robert - January 12, 2009
Someone put a chair on you and sat on it.
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 13, 2009
Agreed
Edgar for Pres - January 12, 2009
I wish you had been forced to drink Double Bastard instead.
Aaron Campeau - January 12, 2009
Robert won't be a real person if Robert is a dead person
Robert - January 12, 2009
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Aaron Campeau - January 12, 2009
Bruce Springsteen has been consistently popular for 36 years
JI - January 12, 2009
So has you mom.
Aaron Campeau - January 12, 2009
*ewer
Aaron Campeau - January 12, 2009
Clever.
JI - January 12, 2009
Strangely I think it goes down easier than regular Arrogant Bastard.
Though I prefer the Ruination, honestly.
BrettJMiller - January 13, 2009
About the panel
I was extremely excited afterwards, because it felt like we got a chance to see everything that we’ve been hoping for in person. Not just the statistical side (which, obviously, is very encouraging to see), but the idea that we have a front office which should be able to use all possible tools to improve the organization.
I love that we have Blengino (and because of him Tango), but I also love that we have someone like Fusco, who seems like the kind of guy who can help us find amateur players who might otherwise slip through the cracks, or a guy like Grifol who seems like he can really relate to the players coming up through the system. I was worried that in the move to oust Bavasi (utterly deserved, of course), we might throw away a few of the good things that he did bring with him, so it was really nice to be reassured on that front.
Optimism is a powerful force, and I think it will be odd for those of us in the LL/USSM group to be among the more optimistic M’s fans out there, at least for a little while.
Sportszilla - January 12, 2009
So in light of this meeting
Does the site image get changed? Now that we have this little known concept of “hope”?
mariners124m - January 13, 2009
We're still not good.
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2009
I think it needs to be left as a reminder of what we've gone through as fans.
At least until the M’s are back in the playoffs a time or two.
Happybelly - January 13, 2009
I wish we could change it to the lawn dart gif
JLC - January 13, 2009
The site image should never ever get changed
Robert - January 13, 2009
Not even to this?
Fin - January 13, 2009
No.
Robert - January 13, 2009
Taken live from the Lusty Lady.
Matthew - January 13, 2009
When blown way up, I think I see a reflection of a nipple in Robert's eye
johnbai - January 13, 2009
Of course you do.
royalcurve - January 13, 2009
What is everyone's farking problem with the site logo?
JI - January 13, 2009
Teams always get good after they change their uniforms
Robert - January 13, 2009
Elysian, Monk
Two of my favorite beer places. The Elysian makes a great pumpkin ale – the best I’ve ever had. We used to live two blocks from the Monk – good thing, too. Dick’s Trippel will make you sorry you were ever born in the morning. Great going down, not so hot coming back up. I have also discovered that I cannot pull my own head off, no matter how hard I try. I miss it, since we’ve moved, but we used to be regulars.
section331 - January 13, 2009
It's always great when you visit our fair city Jeff
and your girlfriend was kind of awesome. Glad to have been able to help host you.
johnbai - January 13, 2009
Agreed
Our boy is in good hands.
Robert - January 13, 2009
So she didn't mace you?
JI - January 13, 2009
Not to my knowledge
Robert - January 13, 2009
Absolute pleasure to have you out, Jeff
And like others have alluded to, I think the appeal of the Elysian is that there’s always room available, there will at least be a couple interesting beers on tap, plus it has entirely decent food. Because these two features aren’t guaranteed at other bars, it makes the Elysian a safe choice.
katal - January 13, 2009
It was fun having you around, Jeff
Someone might need to provide coffee to our honored guests next time, particularly in this overcaffeinated town. I was impressed that they just kept talking—they obviously love what they do and are happy to share, which was wonderful.
And agreed on the sours. I want to go back to the Stumbling Monk and have a Cascade Strong Sour Ale.
Also, you had a Black Butte Porter at Julia’s. Probably couldn’t taste it because of the smoke.
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 13, 2009
I thought my lungs were going to collapse
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2009
I find this hard to believe considering what you have said in the past
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2007/2/26/19527/0075#3476558
Robert - January 13, 2009
This isn't one of your better efforts
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2009
His three post average is still pretty solid.
JI - January 13, 2009
I have the highest Rec/Post ratio on the site.
Robert - January 13, 2009
I can only work with what I have been given
Robert - January 13, 2009
That thread still takes a long time to load
Matthew - January 13, 2009
Felix
What exactly was said about Felix? Also, bravo to all who brought this together. I live in Boston now and would have killed to be there.
TheTank123 - January 13, 2009
Encouraging things and some confusing things about his fastball
I don’t think the panel understood the question being asked.
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2009
The asker was trying to allude to the "open letter" regarding throwing too many fastballs
but phrased it more like, “When are you going to stop asking Felix to establish the fastball?”
The panel basically said, “Never! What are you, retarded? You don’t ask a guy with a fastball like Felix’s to stop throwing it! The whole reason his breaking and off-speed stuff is so great is that everyone has to be geared up to hit a 95 MPH heater.”
johnbai - January 13, 2009
I think that the confusion stemmed from the fact
that they probably think in different terms than we do about these things. I don’t think anyone has a problem with Felix establishing the fastball; I would argue that “establishing the fastball” is code for “not throwing anything but fastballs” to a lot of us, but not to the folks on the panel.
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2009
Yes. Felix's fastball may be his worst pitch, but it's still a damn good pitch (stuff-wise)
The problem has always been his command of it (non-existent) and his predictability in throwing it.
Matthew - January 13, 2009
Did anyone specifically ask about the Shelton/Branyan platoon? Is that Plan A for 1B right now?
seattlebruin - January 13, 2009
Off-limits for the discussion
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2009
Really enjoyed the panel discussion.
I would’ve stayed and chatted afterward but I brought my Dad along and he had things he needed to do.
Thanks again for making this happen.
Omerta - January 13, 2009
I think Tom McNamara was my favorite.
After it was over I was wearing my poncho on the auditorium floor, and he came over and said to me “That thing is awesome, I should get one of those to distract the other scouts!”
Then he joked that he should wear a poncho when they select the #2 draft pick this year. Cross your fingers! :)
camomilk - January 13, 2009
So you were the poncho guy! I should have recognized you.
Two Rs and Two Ls - January 13, 2009
I was the guy in the Mariner hat.
kentroyals5 - January 13, 2009
No, that was me.
appleshampoo - January 13, 2009
Dude,you stood out immediatly as you walked into the room.
Goose - January 13, 2009
Sounds amazing...
I actually considered flying up for this thing from LA— in retrospect, I wish I had. The best sign is how both Jeff and DMZ keep stating that we are in good hands. That’s good enough for me!
For all the other Southern Californians who couldn’t make it, we get the standard 3 M’s series in Anaheim, a weekend series at Dodger Stadium (!) June 26-28, and we get to invade Jeff’s hometown of SD for a midweek series of June 16-18. Some good options for that one, as the Weds game is a night game and the Thurs game is a day game. I’ll be there!
SankTheTank - January 13, 2009
Thanks again for setting this all up, it was my favorite LL/USSM meet. I can't imagine fans of any other team could have it as good as we do as far as communication with the organization.
BrettJMiller - January 13, 2009
Collins Pub
One of my favorite places in Seattle. Great food, good beer selection, usually not crowded, and just really chill. It’s just a few blocks from my work building, so I stop in there for dinner frequently.
appleshampoo - January 13, 2009
Yeah that was pretty damn awesome.
Goose - January 13, 2009
Julia's is a meh joint with half the food and half the quality for twice the price
Unless you really want to hear Friday night jazz singers with piano, there’s not much of a reason to visit.
Glad you had fun.
Gomez - January 13, 2009
Ms. Jeff would like to express her appreciation for everyone's hospitality last weekend
Jeff Sullivan - January 14, 2009
The pleasure was all mine
Robert - January 14, 2009
Indeed it was
Jeff Sullivan - January 14, 2009
Shopped
Robert - January 14, 2009
Thank God I'm not in that picture.
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
You weren't much of anywhere that night
Jeff Sullivan - January 14, 2009
Everybody has to be somewhere
Robert - January 14, 2009
Too busy throwing my car key off the deck.
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
I have a cookie.
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 15, 2009
Oh wait that must have been the night before.
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
No that was Saturday night
Friday night is when I attempted to get home while wasted and everyone assumed I died
Robert - January 14, 2009
The fact that I don't remember you folding into a ball underneath a chair says something about my state of mind.
I don’t think it says anything good.
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
The chair may have been placed above him
Jeff Sullivan - January 14, 2009
How can I live a mile away from him and not take him drinking every night for my own personal amusement?
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
I will be you're laugh monkey for beer and jager bombs
Robert - January 14, 2009
I refuse to buy you Jager Bombs but Long Island Iced Tea is not out of the question.
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
I'm not sure if LI Ice teas are anything like Tokyo Teas but if they are past experiences tell me that I should be a careful panda
Robert - January 14, 2009
It's like eight drinks in one.
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
,
Robert - January 14, 2009
I think Aaron was keeping me company most of the night.
royalcurve - January 15, 2009
The one where Jeff sits on him is better.
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 15, 2009
I suddenly wish I could remember anything about the cab ride home.
Aaron Campeau - January 14, 2009
You were safe. You made pleasant conversation.
royalcurve - January 15, 2009
I just wish I could remember Robert.
Aaron Campeau - January 15, 2009
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