Aaron Heilman's slider:
(A) was a good addition to his repertoire
(B) was a bad addition to his repertoire
(C) can go to hell because now I don't have to care anymore
The Cubs, unsure of whether they will land Padres right-hander Jake Peavy, are on the verge of a separate move to bolster their pitching depth — the acquisition of right-hander Aaron Heilman from the Mariners.In exchange for Heilman, the Mariners will receive shortstop Ronny Cedeno and left-hander Garrett Olson, according to major-league sources.
(credit to Deanna for the original image)
So Heilman's 49-day Seattle sabbatical is over, and he's off to what is perhaps an even more wild and intimidating environment than the one he escaped in the first place. In return for his charming smile and zero innings, the Mariners are receiving Ronny Cedeno and Garrett Olson (who the Cubs just landed a little while ago for Felix Pie. I hope you didn't unpack your bags, you tradable son of a bitch).
Cedeno's a soon-to-be 26 year old 2B/SS with 1000 Major League plate appearances' worth of Cesar Izturis's offense under his belt. He's hit poorly over parts of four seasons in Chicago, and the statistical record of his defensive performance spells him out to be somewhere around average. At first glance, he seems to be nothing more than a young utility infielder, and while that's something we needed, it's not particularly exciting.
If you look beyond Cedeno's Major League statistics, however, then you'll begin to see why Dave is so high on him. For one thing, he's been an effective hitter in the upper bits of the minors, holding his own in AA at 21 and then taking it to another level in AAA Iowa. Granted, the AAA batting averages are a little inflated, but you can see in Cedeno's line a good ability to make contact, some idea of how to walk, and limited but significant power. While he hasn't yet been able to translate his minor league success to the Majors, the talent is there, and it's not out of the question that he could out-hit our current shortstop. He just needs to improve his selectivity. Note that he and Betancourt are the same age.
And for another thing, Cedeno's got quite the reputation as a defensive whiz. Now, whether or not this is true is up in the air. His statistical performance in the Majors hasn't been bad, but it hasn't been real good, either, and the fans don't consider him to be any better than Mark DeRosa or Jamey Carroll. In other words, we're still looking for evidence that his ability fits his rep. However, if he really is, say, a 0 < x < +10 defensive SS (and therefore a +5 < x < +15 defensive 2B), then all of a sudden he doesn't really need to hit much at all to be a moderate value. That would make him a better player than Betancourt right now.
Cedeno is presumably being brought in as a utility infielder, a young guy with talent who's better able than Reegie Corona to back up a number of positions and spot start without hurting the team. However, the potential is there for him to be more than that, and like Luis Valbuena before him, he looks like solid insurance in case Betancourt or Lopez don't perform like the team hopes. No, there aren't any guarantees. His offense may never translate to the big leagues, and his defense may not be as good as some people say it is. Everybody's a risk, and Cedeno may be nothing more than a career reserve. However, he's a good bet, and he fills a need for which the organization didn't have any promising internal solutions. For those reasons, he's a neat addition.
As for Garrett Olson, I never even imagined that we could pull an ML-caliber starting pitcher out of this deal on top of a middle infielder. Olson put up an ugly ERA in Baltimore last season, but he's only 25, he's under team control for five years, he still has options left, and his 5.26 tRA was better than Jarrod Washburn's 5.72.
Olson's a three-pitch pitcher, with the typical left-handed sub-90 fastball, a slider, and a change. The change is used almost exclusively against righties, while lefties get the fastball and the slider in a 55/45 mix. It's important for him to regularly work in his offspeed stuff, because his fastball isn't good. He doesn't control it very well, and it hardly ever misses bats - he only generated 26 swinging strikes on 1225 fastballs a year ago, including just two on 328 against lefties. Garrett Olson's fastball thinks Felix's fastball was born on Mount Olympus. It's a necessary pitch, but it's not a special one.
His slider and change are useful, though, even to the point at which the slider makes for an effective weapon against righties. Most starters tend to throw a lot of changeups to opposite-handed hitters, but Olson still preferred his slider (15% sliders to 11% changeups), and both pitches were able to generated a fair number of swinging strikes while also finding the zone. So Olson doesn't look like the kind of guy who's going to run a nasty platoon split. If anything, last year he threw a little better against righties than he did against lefties. His location against LHB's could use a little work.
Work that he can get this year in Tacoma. Garrett Olson, right now, is probably on par with Washburn and RRS, but he's also a guy with a 2.8 K/BB and 8.8 K/9 in the high minors, and if he can bring more of that ability with him to the Major Leagues the next time he gets an extended opportunity, then all of a sudden we're not talking about a #5 anymore. We're talking about a #3 or a #4, a good starter under cheap team control for a long long time. Having a couple of those a year ago could've saved us $48m. They're incredibly valuable assets.
So, in exchange for a 30 year old righty with a bad 2008 and a desire to be thrust into an even more challenging role, Jack Zduriencik was able to land a utility infielder with the potential to start at 2B or SS and a #5 starter with the potential to improve by one or two slots. Two young players with good minor league track records that haven't yet translated to the big leagues, but that still have time to do it. It's possible that Cedeno doesn't develop any further. It's possible that Olson's career stays where it is. But it's also possible that we just traded a flame-out righty for two future regulars, and after weighing all the different odds in my head, this just strikes me as being a great, great deal. In the organizational big picture, it's all upside. Every last bit.
Sweet baby Jesus. This team is going places.
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Damn it feels good to have a new front office.
Thingray - January 28, 2009
It's kind of weird not to bitch about a stupid FO anymore.
Fin - January 28, 2009
I'm sure they waste a lot of paper or don't recycle toner or something
so there’s that.
pdb - January 28, 2009
Does he get to keep the jacket?
JI - January 28, 2009
Holy shit this is exactly what I needed today
How does jack Z know to pull these amazing deals right on the days I want to jump off a bridge? I gotta send that guy a thank you card.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
CHONE has Cedeno projected at a .329 wOBA
JI - January 28, 2009
yuni is crying into his enormous breakfast
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Address it
Dear Mr.
CameronZduriencikseattlebruin - January 28, 2009
A great part about this trade is that we don't have to worry about the Heilman dilemma.
Can he be a starter? Will he be the closer? Is he only as good as his prospect status a few years ago?
Headache avoided and two great potential players are now on board. And one of Yuni or Lopez can be expendable. If we can deal one of them for even more pieces, it will just add gravy to what has already been done.
Wilder. - January 28, 2009
That dilemma never bugged me because Heilman can shut the fuck up.
JI - January 28, 2009
So with Cedeno basically filling in for Valbuena
we’ve given up only Putz and Green in exchange for Guts, Chavez, Cedeno, Olson, Cleto, Carp, and I think I’m forgetting a guy. That should be illegal.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Jeremy Reed
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Fitting that he was the guy forgotten
Smegmalicious - January 28, 2009
I'm fully prepared for him to be a borderline All-Star by 2010.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
As am I.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
Ah so
I did forget him. Also, what smeg said.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Plus you can't leave out Valbuena as a cost
if you count Cedeño as a benefit.
Eyebrows - January 28, 2009
I'm not counting Cedeno as a benefit, only the other six.
I did forget about Reed though. He’s very forgettable.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Well, you put Cedeno in your "benefits" list.
But I think we all got the point regardless. Awesome moves by Z.
Teej - January 28, 2009
whoops, you're right
Whatever. He took an overvalued role and turned it into a ton of upside.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
And Ezequiel Carrara
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
Lou is a fucking retard and I love him for it.
I am so excited right now I can barely contain myself. I saw Cedeno play quite a bit when he was with Iowa. Unless he has regressed badly he is waaaaaaay better defensively than Betancourt.
I will bet the first two takers two of my seats that by September 1 he will have logged more time at SS than Yuni. If I win I get cash value of $44 in return.
Sec 108 - January 28, 2009
When you watched him, what was your impression?
And I realize that answer is totally subjective, and will in no way critique it or hold it against you later. He’s got some triples so is he fast/faster/faster than fast? Good range? Accurate throw, strong arm? Smooth transfer on double plays? C’mon man, be a pal and volunteer me some info
Kermit. - January 28, 2009
I really only remember his defense. I don't think he did much offensively in the two games I saw.
Good first step on defense. To me that always means that the first step is actually to the ball and it happens quickly and aggressively. He has good hands a decent arm. I never really saw his arm tested per se, but it was accurate. What I liked most was he seemed equally comfortable moving both left and right.
Sec 108 - January 28, 2009
Nice, thanks. Trying to draw a mental image, this is helpful.
Kermit. - January 28, 2009
Just browsing through a couple of Cubs blogs and the comments from
Cubs fans on the mlbtraderumors site. Focus and commitment would seem to significantly help Cedeno reach his potential.
DarkLou - January 28, 2009
Just browsing through the Cubs blogs makes me really appreciate LL/USSM
On the trade thread, a FIRST!, a LOL a +1 and +2, all within the first 20 comments.
waldo rojas - January 28, 2009
In other words, I wouldn't put much stock in assessments made in the comments there.
waldo rojas - January 28, 2009
Although 'tis true that thou shalt not make fun of a fellow SB Nation blog...
…the comment quality over at BCB…leaves a certain something to be desired.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
Duly noted.
waldo rojas - January 28, 2009
just found out why the m's want olson
over at dov an m’s insider said they want olson because they intend to then flip him or jamie burke to the padres for Jake Peavy. Now it makes sense why they want olson.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
Would've been better if you did it Cubs/Heilman.
Eyebrows - January 28, 2009
I thought of that...but it's notionally funnier if the M's end up with Peavy after all the trade rumors involving the Cubs and Olson...
…I live in Chicago and work with Cubs fans so goddammit I hear about it every day EVERY SINGLE DAY.
They have no idea what to make of today’s trade, FWIW.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
Also, since Olson is an ex-Oriole, there's a bit of symmetry to it all.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
OMG TOO MUCH
Slica - January 28, 2009
I agree, we would be overpaying for Peavy in that scenario.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
God, we thought we had a pretty good deal going with
Olson for Pie.
But now you just made us look bad.
math_geek - January 28, 2009
You'll always have the Bedard trade.
Teej - January 28, 2009
Jones, Tillman & Sherrill...that's gotta keep O's fans warm at night.
I feel sorry for my old semi-hometown team, actually…put the O’s in any division other than the AL East, and they’d be looking like beasts on the horizon. But with TB, BOS, and NY? Good luck buddy.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
I heard they might be good when Matusz and Tillman make their impactful arrival this season.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Weiters...
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
I don't think there's any prospect I'm more excited to see arrive in the majors than Matt Wieters
esoteric - January 28, 2009
Yeah; I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop
He seems flawless as a prospect, and I keep waiting for some announcement that he’ll also close for them.
So yes, I’ve been looking for news stories that he:
-Is actually 32 years old
-Killed a family with a hunting knife
-Uses a bat made of some lightweight metal with a thin wood veneer over it
marc w - January 28, 2009
It's gonna be B
the story will finish “the deceased family had recently discovered plotting to blow up (insert national monument) and was very near to executing this plan”
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
I've got it.
Matt Wieters: International Terrorist.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
I've never seen Matt Wieters and Hank Scorpio in the same place at the same time.
Coincidence? Unlikely.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Quick, someone check the financial records of the Denver Broncos.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
That one actually probably will happen, so it's not part of the joke.
I’m excited to watch him play.
Teej - January 28, 2009
The 2011 AL East is shaping up to be the best division in baseball history
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
If the Yankees don't suck by then
Sabathia will be a massive shell of himself, Burnette will refuse to pitch if he has a hangnail, Wang will have lost 5 mph off his sinker, Joba will still be going back and forth between the bullpen and rotation, Jeter will still be “earning” Gold Gloves at SS, etc.
Honestly, I like the futures of Baltimore, TB, and Boston more than the Yanks’
tait644 - January 28, 2009
2011 is like two years away
it’s not as if it’s 2032
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
Yeah, so?
Mark my words, the Yankees will be hating Sabathia and Burnette after two years or so.
tait644 - January 28, 2009
I suppose I could be tempted to bet on this outcome
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
It's spelled Burnett
Matthew - January 28, 2009
I thought he was going for "Brunette"
implying that he was a girl for not pitching through pain
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
I'm sure he is.
I imagine this violates the “lol bedard had girl parts” rule. Assuming that players should play through injury because one time you went on a hike with a semi-sprained ankle, for example.
Teej - January 28, 2009
May be. I thought it was adding an e to make it look more French, and thus, wussy.
Damn you Vermette.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Little bitch
Jeff Sullivan - January 28, 2009
Petite chienne
Might as well make sure he gets the message
ningwers - January 28, 2009
The Tickler.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
"Burnett will refuse to pitch if he has a hangnail"
Really? Still with this?
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
It's Burnett damn it
Mariner John - January 28, 2009
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/1/28/738819/bobby-ayala-wishes-he-had#11789032
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
Yes but it annoyed me the first 12 times I saw it too.
Plus I didn’t read.
Mariner John - January 28, 2009
You'll enjoy Cedeno
For a week, he’ll play like A-Rod. Then, for another week, he’ll play like K-Rod. And he has this awful habit of forgetting how many outs there are.
3744nsheffield - January 28, 2009
Both A-Rod and K-Rod are good players.
JI - January 28, 2009
So you're saying he can pitch too?
Eyebrows - January 28, 2009
JESUS WE TOTALLY RIPPED THEM OFF!!
esoteric - January 28, 2009
He sounds wonderful!
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
Oh man
I won’t link or quote it, but some of the comments on the PI story are GOLD.
Eyebrows - January 28, 2009
Heading over there right now...
Oh yeah this is sweet.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
Brilliant
I’m presuming they’re all in-jokes
MarkE - January 28, 2009
My favorite:
Olson was acquired for the Scandinavian fans..
Hey, it’s going to be a crap year..
Gotta sell tickets some way..
So go get a Swede!
I smell “LUTEFISK” Night!
esoteric - January 28, 2009
You're reading different quotes to those I'm seeing
but equally awesome.
I see lots of complaints that we traded for WFB’s equivalent and stll insisting Griffey / other veterans are signed.
MarkE - January 28, 2009
Mine so far...
“I certainly don’t see Cedeno replacing Yuni. Yuni had an off year, but he has so much potential …he can run, hit, and filed, with the right coaches in place. Cedeno’s numbers are nothing to brag about and neither is his fielding.”
Slica - January 28, 2009
Follow up to that one...
"Yuni had an off year, but he has so much potential …he can run, hit, and filed/
Other than the running and fielding part that is true."
Slica - January 28, 2009
Hey now, Yuni filed with the best of him.
Have you seen his tax return? A thing of accounting genius really.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Too bad he had an off year and had to pay in.
Slica - January 28, 2009
Don't forget the Times
“Can anybody tell me one reason the M’s should NOT bring back Ken Griffey Jr? There is absolutely no downside to it. Instantly the team would be better, you can get him cheap because he WANTS to play in Seattle. There would be an immediate buzz around the city and ticket sales would skyrocket! There is no reason not to bring home the best player that ever lived”
msb - January 28, 2009
The Giants should sign Willie Mays too.
He’s still alive. And ticket sales would skyrocket!
Mariner John - January 28, 2009
No wait.
I missed the one about how this is all just to cut payroll.
msb - January 28, 2009
"My favorite"
that entire ramble is wonderful.
msb - January 28, 2009
this trade sucks.
Heilman had an off year and I think he was for certain going to rebound, I guess he didnt make enough money to play on this team. Cedano certainly fits the BAVASI criteria of player, no power, no walks. I know Cedeno wont be starting, but why just give Heilman away??
esoteric - January 28, 2009
Stray cat
Im a lady’s cat…a feline casanova, hey man thats where its at!
Slica - January 28, 2009
Enjoy Olson
I wasn’t thrilled or angry at the Olson for Pie trade (although I did wonder who will pitch for the O’s this year). Garrett had a lot of success in the minors but he was quite frustrating to watch in the majors. He seemed to nibble the edges too much and as a young pitcher he certainly wasn’t getting any close calls. I never actually saw him pitch in the minors so I can’t speak to if he was more confident there, I can only look at the numbers. I think he has a pretty decent chance of being very servicable at the MLB level if he can figure himself out.
Stacey - January 28, 2009
Enjoy Tillman & AJ.
It still hurts to think of how much talent we frittered away on that trade.
Hopefully Olson can work out his confidence and control in Tacoma. But he’s still better right now than Washburn, at the very least.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
And whoever McPhail gets for Sherrill...
PositivePaul - January 28, 2009
Randy Messenger released???
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
JI - January 28, 2009
I'm sad
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
He still has the most hilarious wiki entry ever.
BrianL - January 28, 2009
It's better than shooting the Messenger.
kentroyals5 - January 28, 2009
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYESYESYESYESYESYES
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
Did I miss something?
Did Messenger come out against cute baby animals or something?
marc w - January 28, 2009
He's a giant fucking douche and I can't stand him.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
And yes the hatred is mostly irrational.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
Mostly?
I’m just… I don’t think I’ve ever seen you express this much hostility to anyone.
This is sort of like royalcurve deciding that Ryan Feierabend needs to die slowly, with extra torture.
marc w - January 28, 2009
GROWL.... FEIERABEND....
cough… yep, can’t get into it.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
Yeah, it would be very confusing.
Though I may now picture you going GROWL…FEIERABEND… every time he gives up an XBH.
I suppose it wouldn’t be quite as odd as the fact that Graham posted a picture of a cute baby seal this morning…
marc w - January 28, 2009
Every time he gives up an XBH I won't only growl his name, I'll try and get one eye to twitch.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
Well he kinda sucks, so I have no inclination toward liking him.
His facial hair, hat-tilt angle and general demeanor reeks of Axe and rohypnol. Put has lack of ability and the douche factor together and I hate him.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
Holy moly - that was such a compact and powerful argument that I now hate him too.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
But it's TOO powerful
If you start to hate every baseball player with bad facial hair, hat-tilt angles and general frat-boy douchery, you’d probably stop being a baseball fan.
I mean, have you seen those photos of Gutierrez from the fanfest? You’re not smelling any Axe/rohypnol there? At all?
To be clear: I do not hate Gutz, but this line of argument equals mutually assured destruction. The collateral damage will be huge….
marc w - January 28, 2009
I just do whatever ac does.
Also, those photos of Gutierrez make my stomach upset.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
:(
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
:)
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
I know it's silly, but...
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/1/28/738819/bobby-ayala-wishes-he-had#11789448
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
You don't like Sherrill?
Mariner John - January 28, 2009
In regard to the hat and facial hair.
Mariner John - January 28, 2009
Sherrill's facial hair was less annoying, he was from Memphis and he didn't tilt his hat, he just didn't bend the brim.
Also, Sherrill was good.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
His hat confuses me
I want to like him but the straight billed hat is hard to get past.
Mariner John - January 28, 2009
George Sherrill looks awesome.
He’s the Adonis of Lookout mountain.
I told him as much when Paul stupidly took me to meet him. George didn’t know what to say… I tell myself it’s because I had it goin’ on that night.
marc w - January 28, 2009
There isn't a doubt in my mind that you had it going on that night.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
Anything beyond the funny name?
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Tuesdays with Garrett Olson
please!
Schaefer - January 28, 2009
You cannot replace that love.
And pretending with someone else will only hurt us both.
Eyebrows - January 28, 2009
That's like asking your new fiancee to wear your dead wife's wedding dress.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
and you wife was buried in it
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Hot?
Graham MacAree - January 28, 2009
I was going to say dead wife's lingerie, but I figured it was a bit much.
Teej - January 28, 2009
I think this is more appropriate
you’d only ask her to wear the dress once
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
So this ends up being basically a three team deal
with Pie going to the Orioles in order to get the lefty for Seattle. I know the OF is pretty crowded with the current players and a good crop in AA/A+ but I was under the impression that Pie was an absolute stud of a prospect. Anyone think we could have been better off with him coming back (plus Cedeno)?
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
I'm buying spring training tickets tonight.
I’ve never been. Today’s trade pushed me over fence. I’m a happy Mariners fan again — not because this offseason has turned the Mariners into the team I want, but because it has at least convinced me that that team is on its way.
Go Mariners, and go Jack!
Teej - January 28, 2009
Look out Yuni and Lopez:
Wilder. - January 28, 2009
FUCK YUNI NOOOOOO
Dewey N - January 28, 2009
Love love love that he's not even a bit subtle about putting pressure on the middle infield.
Kermit. - January 28, 2009
Reply fail to Wilder., crap.
Kermit. - January 28, 2009
The point is well-taken nonetheless
There was nothing subtle at all about GMZ’s statement.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
From PI comments
Thank you LL. Thank you so much for speaking decent English.
seattlebruin - January 28, 2009
Que?
Slica - January 28, 2009
It's payroll, not pay role.
Wilder. - January 28, 2009
Or I just completed screwed that joke up.
Soryr, Slica.
Wilder. - January 28, 2009
Its ok, Graham is still ahead of you on my hit list.
Slica - January 28, 2009
Ichiro is on the role.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
I feel like this is
very bad resource management by the Cubs. I know that their backs were against the wall to some extent because Pie and Cedeno are out of options but to turn those two into Aaron Heilman and a throw in (Henry Williamson) seems pretty poor
Trenchtown - January 28, 2009
A couple of the very smart Cubs fans I know are saying the same thing...
…the rap on Hendry that’s taking shape is that he just doesn’t quite “get” managing a 40-man roster.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
I like to call that pulling a Bill Bavasi.
Wilder. - January 28, 2009
It seems like if you are going to act all big-markety...
…and not ever give guys like Pie and Cedeno a full shot at a job because you’re all focused on WIN NOW! that you need to trade them when they are highly regarded as prospects. You’ll lose a very good player sometimes (like the Red Sox did with Hanley Ramirez), but if you’re really going to pump a lot of money into the team, at least trade those guys at their peak value rather than letting it erode into Aaron Heilman.
ubelmann - January 28, 2009
The hell?
The Cubs trade away Felix Pie and Ronny Cedeno to acquire Aaron Heilman?
Well, regardless of how dumb Hendry is, this trade is fucking amazing.
JLC - January 28, 2009
You got Olson plus change and lost nothing
So now we’re basically square with regards to the Bedard trade, right?
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
Why no we are not but thank you for asking.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
I hate you and yours
Jeff Sullivan - January 28, 2009
:(
Jeff Sullivan - January 28, 2009
Aren't we the lovable losers at this point?
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
See rugburn's post below
because at this point ain’t nothin’ lovable about the Orioles.
pdb - January 28, 2009
Jeff Sullivan - January 28, 2009
GRASS CREEK WILL BE OURS!
pdb - January 28, 2009
I have to disagree
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
I think the Pirates are headed north.
JI - January 28, 2009
Montreal?
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Exactly.
JI - January 28, 2009
Not very lovable.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
This is true
The Pittsburgh Pirates –
lovablelosers.Baltimo - January 28, 2009
The Pirates are awesome and I can't wait until they get good.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
I can.
JI - January 28, 2009
The Pirates are going to challenge for the NL Central in 2010.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Really?
Fin - January 28, 2009
Totally.
I’ll be talking about in February or March as part of a series to combat crappy Spring Training reporting.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
I'd be more interested in seeing which teams will be cellar dwellers in a couple years.
It looks that it could be the Angels, Astros, White Sox, Tigers, Blue Jays, and Cubs either have terrible management or are unlucky.
Fin - January 28, 2009
And the Padres.
Fin - January 28, 2009
I have a feeling they and the Brewers will make my life unpleasant
because the Cardinals aren’t exactly a model org, and Cincy, Chicago and Houston are laughably inept.
JI - January 28, 2009
I've like the Pirates for a while because I felt bad for them, and now that they're smart I'm thinking about making them my official NL team.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
Well that's just dumb.
JI - January 28, 2009
Right. Because your official NL team should be the NATS NATS NATS NATS
Woo! We make losing unstylish and unfun!
esoteric - January 28, 2009
You make it sound like I woke up one day and picked a team solely because it was in the NL.
JI - January 28, 2009
My racist aunt was a Cardinals fan so I can never truly love them.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
Well if everyone refused to love the Cardinals because they know of a racist who was a fan
then they’d have no fans.
JI - January 28, 2009
I really didn't like this aunt.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
I hate Cardinals fans because they were the
Yankee/Red Sox fans of the NL waaaaaay before the Cubs and Braves took over cable TV.
Sec 108 - January 29, 2009
How can you not root for the Pirates? They're about to break the most embarrasing of records.
oc - January 28, 2009
?
ningwers - January 28, 2009
man.
that stings.
msb - January 28, 2009
Our 12 years of futility
Have been overshadowed by your 16.
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
The Curse of Jeffrey Maier
oc - January 28, 2009
Apparently
That kid played pretty well in college, and Angelos wasn’t opposed to the idea of drafting him…
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
I have a turd in my pocket.
Slica - January 28, 2009
Smushy.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
Not in the least
I will only get over that trade if AJ turns out to actually have a degenerative hip condition, Tillman and Butler don’t pan out and Sherrill gets flipped for a no talent middle infielder. And even then I won’t call it square, I’ll just take Bavasi’s face off the dart board.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
You forgot Mickolio
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
Man you guys got a great deal.
I can’t imagine why would anyone in their right mind would trade 5 potential filled players for one player.
Fin - January 28, 2009
No I just don't lose any sleep over minor league relief arms
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Eh
He’s considered a top ten prospect in our system, and we have a top ten farm.
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
That's dumb. No relief pitcher should ever be a top 10 prospect in a good system.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
It came out of left field
Not many fans had him in their top fifteen after the season ended, yet all of the major publications placed him from 8-11.
Baltimo - January 28, 2009
Those people don't understand how to valuate relief pitching then.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
He's pretty much a surefire bet
To be effective out of the ’pen, which means that minor league analysts can look back in five years and claim victory.
Baltimo - January 29, 2009
I would write a list of prospects that are pretty much a surefire bet to be effective out of the pen
but I don’t really have the 2-3 hours it would take to do that. Don’t get me wrong, finding cheap effective relievers is very important but its also pretty easy to do.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 29, 2009
It's the only thing Bavasi was good at doing.
And that goes to show just how easy it is.
Wilder. - January 29, 2009
Sometime in the near future
you’re going to think you have a chance at the division for the first time in forever and the M’s will sweep you in a four game home series in April and kill your season. And then we can talk about being square.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 28, 2009
Yes, your team is square.
Slica - January 28, 2009
Bit it's hip to be square...
Slurvey - January 28, 2009
You still owe us like three prospects
Gomez - January 28, 2009
Am I the only one who spells is 'syke', not 'sike'?
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Am I the only one who spells it 'psych'?
Mariner John - January 28, 2009
I spell it 'psych'.
Or, I’ve never written it down before, but when I’ve heard it said I’ve seen it spelled ‘psych’ in my head.
royalcurve - January 28, 2009
I believe that is the proper spelling
Corco - January 28, 2009
It works either way.
psych
sike
oc - January 28, 2009
This is the way I have always done it.
Wilder. - January 28, 2009
'Psych' means something completely different.
Matthew - January 28, 2009
I actually spent 15 minutes researching this in the morning but decided that "sike" looks the best in text form
Jeff Sullivan - January 28, 2009
Sike is easily the best spelling.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
The fact that you took the time to research this reconfirms my confidence in you...
…however, “psych” just LOOKS less grating. “SIKE!” reads like something written by a 13-year-old in a chatroom.
Which may, upon further reflection, have been the point.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
I think it's 100% the point.
Aaron Campeau - January 28, 2009
JI - January 28, 2009
this still gets me every time
Jack Moore - January 28, 2009
Why would you use a y?
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 29, 2009
This is awesome and put a very large smile on my face
Corco - January 28, 2009
Nice deal, GMZ
He trades one arm for another young MLB-ready arm with upside AND a utility infielder with upside? These are the Bizarro Mariners, from a world where our front office makes deals that improves the team’s future.
Gomez - January 28, 2009
Let's not oversell it, though
This is still, in the end, a trade that is more likely than not to have little effect on the team in the short or long run.
It’s merely awesomely heartening because it continues to reassure us that a group of honest-to-goodness ADULTS is running the show now.
esoteric - January 28, 2009
You undersell Olson and Cedeno's value
Matthew - January 28, 2009
Just like Rotoworld!
JI - January 28, 2009
I'll still take two guys with okay-ish or better upside over one older guy with minimal upside
Gomez - January 28, 2009
Don't get murdered over your song before you adlib it.
Humongo - January 28, 2009
At this rate my first born son will be named Jack Zduriencik Corcoran
Corco - January 28, 2009
Hey now!
royalcurve - January 29, 2009
Get all of it.
Two Rs and Two Ls - January 29, 2009
Jack Zduriencik Roy Corcoran?
please?
msb - January 29, 2009
Definitely within the scope of possibility
Corco - January 29, 2009
Please don't have children
Graham MacAree - January 29, 2009
I wonder if that'll be up to him.
Faux - January 29, 2009
I think you mean her
JI - January 29, 2009
Worst case I'll adopt
Corco - January 29, 2009
Jack Zduriencik Roy Corcoran
would be a swell name for a cat.
msb - January 29, 2009
You have to admit,
“JZRC” would be a pretty cool nickname.
Faux - January 29, 2009
Imagining you with children is actually hilarious
Gomez - January 29, 2009
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