The little guy out of Georgia got his first AFL action today, and in so doing also got his first exposure to PITCHfx. Of the 20 pitches he threw, 19 were detected, and here's what he flashed:
| Type | n | Speed | pfx | pfz |
| Fastball | 11 | 93.1 | -2.4 | 12.8 |
| Curveball | 8 | 80.6 | 1.9 | -6.7 |
pfx corresponding to horizontal movement and pfz corresponding to vertical movement, as usual.
Fields was as advertised, a power righty with a fastball that gets into the mid-90s and a strong curve that he'll throw in any count. Nothing in there comes as a surprise. What's interesting to note is that, at least this afternoon, his pitches didn't have much horizontal movement. You'll see a lot of righty fastballs range between -4 and -10 and a lot of righty curveballs range between +3 and +8 (or so). Fields, however, stayed closer to zero, working mostly on the up-down plane and not throwing a lot of tail. (Remember that the numbers refer to deviation, in inches, from a pitch thrown with no spin, and that a negative pfx means the pitch tailed in to righty hitters and away from lefties.)
This shouldn't necessarily come as a surprise, either - it's a function of Fields' arm slot. It's just neat to see it in numbers. Where a lot of guys throw three-quarters and some prefer to drop down, Fields is one of those pure overhand guys, a guy who throws on top of his shoulder and unleashes his stuff on a downward plane, or at least as much of a downward plane as a little person like Fields can manage. When you throw over the top, it's difficult to generate the sort of spin necessary to make balls break left or right. So Fields gets by with a hard and literally almost straight fastball and a curve that travels along a similar path before breaking off the table. Read that sentence over again and you can see what makes him so tricky to hit.
Another thing to consider about Fields' arm slot - remember how Sean Green had a lot of trouble against lefties? Green threw from a sidearm slot that confounded righties but gave lefties a good look at the ball. The slot also wasn't conducive to generating good movement against opposite-handed hitters. By coming over the top, though, Fields should be somewhat immune to exaggerated splits, being similarly effective against righties and lefties alike. He probably won't slaughter righties the way some specialists do, but by not having the splits/exposure problem of many of his brethren, it's easy to see why he's always been considered a future closer. He has the stuff and mechanics such that he shouldn't have to pitch around any batter*, no matter on which side of the plate he's standing.
* if he learns to throw strikes
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About how many undetectable pitches should a reliever be able to throw?
Janic - October 14, 2009
Two's fine
Jeff Sullivan - October 14, 2009
One worked for morrow a year ago
Bearskin Rugburn - October 14, 2009
Does he start the year in AAA?
50 cent - October 14, 2009
Probably, and he'll have every chance to break camp with the team
Jeff Sullivan - October 14, 2009
Curve hit the zone only twice
and both had contact made on them. All the other curves missed the zone, including 3 straight that Ike Davis swung on to end the inning. It is a very small sample size to worry about this kind of thing, but if he is struggling to locate his secondary pitch, it could explain a good deal of his struggles at AA this year.
tdot mariner fan - October 14, 2009
Or maybe he's doing it on purpose.
Trying to get swings and misses.
Slurvey - October 14, 2009
Isn't it hard to get the curve to curve in Az?
msb - October 14, 2009
I thought he played third base
Dewey N - October 14, 2009
Is he going to be Beltre's replacement?
Dewey N - October 14, 2009
You are probably confusing the Josh Fields on our team with the journeyman third baseman Josh Fields
Robert - October 14, 2009 via mobile
In my defense I am doing it purposefully
Dewey N - October 14, 2009
Hopefully he can wrestle the job away from Bill Hall
Poochie - October 14, 2009
Mudwrestle, maybe
The Ancient Mariner - October 15, 2009
The other Josh is like 26.
He definitely ain’t a journeyman.
50 cent - October 14, 2009
I would take him in a heartbeat on a cheap deal.
hcoguy - October 14, 2009
You bitch this is my shtick
Poochie - October 14, 2009
*ahem*
Steve Allen - October 14, 2009
I wonder if that'll give him slightly better groundball rates than most power RP.
Matthew - October 14, 2009
Will probably depend a lot on whether he prefers the curve or high fastball as a swing-and-miss pitch
Jeff Sullivan - October 14, 2009
$5 on high fastball
Matthew - October 14, 2009
I bet 5 recs on his Curve.
Slurvey - October 14, 2009
Crazy FB guy in college
From what I’ve seen, he lives in the upper half of the strike zone.
davidcameron - October 14, 2009
DAMMIT
Slurvey - October 14, 2009
It's always USSM that delivers the bad news...
Slurvey - October 14, 2009
42% this year in a small sample if you believe AA BIP data
Jeff Sullivan - October 14, 2009
Minors BIP data is probably more accurate for grounders as opposed to flies and line drives
it’s pretty hard to get confused over what is and is not a ground ball
seattlebruin - October 15, 2009
Oh goody
A right-hander with bad command of an arrow straight fastball. That’s new and unique.
CapSea - October 14, 2009
They should trade him to the White Sox.
They’ll have him straightened out in no time.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - October 15, 2009
Sounds like Mark Lowe
OlSalty - October 14, 2009
More like David Aardsma if he threw a curveball.
Slurvey - October 14, 2009
Mark Lowe throws three pitches, none of which are curves
Jeff Sullivan - October 14, 2009
As far as the arrow straight fastball he can't locate for beans goes, I mean
OlSalty - October 14, 2009
There are like 50 major league pitchers more similar to Fields than Lowe.
lailaihei - October 14, 2009
Yes it was a very bad comparison as far as the totality of the pitcher is concerned
I just find the most annoying quality of Mark Lowe to be the lack of break on his fastball and his inability to locate it, and thus was transferring my annoyance to this our #1 draft pick.
OlSalty - October 15, 2009
Which was an oversimplification on my part
But I just have the feeling that the ultimate failing of Mark Lowe will be the ultimate failing of Josh Fields. That being the lack of break on his primary pitch. And Fields does not have the velocity of Mark Lowe with possibly even crappier control from what I have seen of him….Although I probably haven’t seen enough of his curveball to pass judgement on it, but unless it is something approaching Erik Bedard quality….I really don’t know if he is going to work out here. So, I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not really sold on his ability to succeed in the major leagues at this point.
OlSalty - October 15, 2009
The Shark is pretty good if you haven't heard
Dewey N - October 15, 2009
I'm sure it exists, I just can't find it for shit
is there a leaderboard of pitchers with most break on their fastball by PitchFX, least break, etc. ?
craig3410 - October 14, 2009
Don't believe so, no
Jeff Sullivan - October 14, 2009
I'd like to see a shot of Fields and Aumont standing together.
msb - October 15, 2009
Is he mixing in a change at all? Seems like it would be a complementary third pitch.
or is he resigned to be a two-pitch reliever?
waldo rojas - October 15, 2009
If he also had a useful change
he would be a starter
G_ - October 15, 2009
Uh-huh, which is why I was curious if he was working on one in the AFL.
waldo rojas - October 15, 2009
Josh Fields will never be a starter
Graham MacAree - October 15, 2009
I wonder if he has endurance issues?
I notice he only started one game in his college career.
Teej - October 15, 2009
I'm sure he has one, but I wouldn't expect him to throw it a lot
He’s a two-pitch guy, and if he learns to throw strikes that’ll be good enough.
Jeff Sullivan - October 15, 2009
Any idea when Aumont will pitch?
speedomike - October 15, 2009
He pitched yesterday
Jeff Sullivan - October 15, 2009
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