Lookout Landing

"Despite trip around the bases, Holliday still in need of a vacation."

r0ry - October 8, 2009 reply

Can you imagine

if Jeff did this to us if we had just experienced a heart breaking game like that?

People would explode all over the state of Washington.

Having all those penned up obscenities isn’t healthy for you.

JLProck - October 8, 2009 reply

"Oh please. Go knock down some bourbon and grow a dick."

- Not an acceptable comment.- Consider this your warning.

The only people that we’d have left are Coach and Positive Paul. And no content since Jeff, Matthew and Graham would all be banned.

If you can stand

the Douche factor over there, you should at least check out some of that fiasco last night and you’ll easily see who is going to go down as (as opposed to on) the goat. Holliday sealed his place in Cards history—maybe seared his place in the collective memory is more like it. If they end up losing the series—and I would put money on that they do—he will not be welcome in that town for quite a while. I say this remembering Leon Durham from 1984 and Bill Buckner 2 years later.

snowyman28 - October 9, 2009 reply

Well this is dumb

it never even occurred to me that Holliday was the one to blame

How on earth can a place with zero personality be douchy?

VEB is the opposite of offensive.

Graham MacAree - October 10, 2009 reply

Unless of course you're Graham

vivaelpujols - October 10, 2009 reply

I'm really afraid of what would happen here during the playoffs

Jeff Sullivan - October 8, 2009 reply

.

Fuckin newbies

Jeff Sullivan - October 8, 2009 reply

Good GTE has been missing for a long time. I think it would make it's glorious return.

We'll find out if one blog can take down all of SBN.

BrianL - October 8, 2009 reply

Well I almost barfed and then call for the murder of two players and I'm one of the sane ones

I assume you mean by comparison.

Naturally

;)

. . .

azruavatar - October 8, 2009 reply

The content is great but the community itself is sterile and boring.

You're totally entitled to your opinion

and I know that there are some people who felt the same way and didn’t stick around. Each of the (popular) blogs on SBN seems to create it’s own sense of community. VEB’s is different from LL’s. Frankly, I think the community here is antagonistic. It runs to individual’s taste. But, if VEB is boring, then there’s a lot of people that appeals to apparently as it has a robust set of members.

azruavatar - October 8, 2009 reply

Having a bunch of grade-school rules that stifles game-time emotion seems rather dull.

BrianL - October 8, 2009 reply

I think that reminding posters not to personally attack players and/or their genitals

Is perfect reasonable, and doesn’t fall under the category of “grade-school rules”.

I bet those players deserved those person attacks

a couple

Fuck You Cock Fuck.

chezbergrur - October 8, 2009 reply

Which is fine.

I know that people are different. But it’s not like I went to VEB and threw up a fanshot saying “Your blog sucks.”

And judging by the fact that you actually aren't a member there

I’d say that you are basing that off of your limited viewing of our community in the the thread linked, which was a game-thread in which much of the comments were deleted for being malicious.

It’s a shame because I think there are a lot of excellent commenters at VEB, a few who have got to write for places like THT and FanGraphs. The majority are fine and know there shit.

No we had a blog war with VEB last year

what

And it was a boring, much like VEB.

Malicious like our game-thread death threats to Carlos Beltran last season?

BrianL - October 8, 2009 reply

Idk

Thanks for assuming I'm a mis-informed asshole!

I'm sorry... it appeared

We just said it sounded boring compared to the anarchist SBN site known as LL.

Let the apocaLLypse begin!

Part of LL is yelling random malicious obscenities… In the game threads at least and we have some limit of sorts. C’mon it was the heat of the moment you can’t really blame the posters from yelling out in frustration…

Slurvey - October 8, 2009 reply

Don't read the fucking comments if you find it boring.

njd.aitken - October 8, 2009 reply

I don't and who the fuck are you

Hey ac, did you know Albert Pujols snorts blow off Ryan Ludwick's throbbing boner for prepubescent children?

That's fucked

Really fucked

ACK!

Turn green

JamMasterJesus - October 8, 2009 reply

IT'S NOT EVEN GOOD SPANISH GRAMMAR

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1) Excessive and tasteless profanity isn’t welcome.
2) Obscene imagery or the written description of body parts is frowned upon

I don’t think that’s possible in a LL game thread.

Slurvey - October 8, 2009 reply

Gosh this sub-thread is funny.

And it would really suck if Jeff did that.

JMKaustin - October 8, 2009 reply

What do you expect from VEB?

Graham MacAree - October 9, 2009 reply

Closet racism

Sec 108 - October 9, 2009 reply

We might as well just start a blog war checklist

Who’s next?

Pension Plan Puppets

CapSea - October 9, 2009 reply

THEM FUCKERS BETTER WATCH OUT

My rec-fingers are getting tired from handing out all these recs!

Would it be a bad idea to go over to the Red Socks blog, and inform them via FanPost that they aren’t special just because they’re on ESPN and hate the damn dirty Yanks?

JamMasterJesus - October 9, 2009 reply

While Franklin obviously was the main reason for the loss

There is a matter of the difficulty of each play. Franklin and Ryan both played poorly in situations in which batters and pitchers play poorly in all of the time. Holliday dropped a flyball that gets caught 98% of the time and if he had caught it, the game would be over.

Not to blame but Over-rated

So Holliday is the Goat, despite Franklin’s resemblence. He’s been over-rated as a closer., as an MLB pitcher. The Game lines during the season, W Pineiro, S. Franklin, were a tad preposterous. The save is an over-rated stat.

I say good day to you Ryan.

lokiforever - October 8, 2009 reply

True.

Holliday is totally overrated as a closer.

Ambiguous Antecedent

lokiforever - October 8, 2009 reply

People who should be killed

1) Tony LaRussa
2) Ryan Franklin

How you could not go to Smoltz there is beyond my understanding

You think this is hyperbole but it isn't

99% of managers would have stuck with Franklin

Not saying it’s right, but you can’t expect much more from Tony.

Franklin has been terrible for the last two months, and has been on a short leash as of late, and looked terrible from the get go

Its like the only person who didn’t see it coming was the man calling the shots. It is 100% inexcusable for him not to have another option to go to. He deserves lose his job for this.

He always pulls of shit like this

Like carrying 13 pitchers and playing Rick Ankiel against lefties. For some reason, his teams always do well.

So that excuses it?

Give me one good reason Ryan Franklin should have relived Miller instead of Smoltz.

I wasn't excusing it

I agree 100%. I was expressing my infuriation with the fact that Tony always “gets away with it”.

Not this time!

JMKaustin - October 8, 2009 reply

fuck

Also

Smoltz is probably not much better than Franklin at this point in his career.

Laughable

Franklin's been better this year overall

And it’s coming off of surgery and isn’t over 40.

Smoltz has been starting

And isn't Ryan Franklin.

JLProck - October 8, 2009 reply

I'm sorry but this is absurd

Ryan Franklin: 2.1 K/BB as NL reliever

John Smoltz: 4.6 K/BB as AL/NL starter

Franklin: 112 tRA+

Smoltz: 105ish tRA+

Ryan Franklin: 3.2% HR/FB

oh

You might have a point here then

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Franklin is terrible or anything

but John Smoltz is really good, and really good against righties. Poochie’s right, he should’ve been in.

He was warming up!

If you are referring to going forward as in 2010

ok, maybe, if only because Smoltz’s arm is liable to explode at any given moment, but that’s retarded because that’s not what this conversation is about. We’re talking about get two outs on a dreary afternoon in LA. In fact I would argue the way he’s pitched the last two months Ryan Franklin is the least qualified of any of the righthanders to close.

I think maybe he should have just left Wainwright in

At least for a batter or two and see how it goes. He was cruising—he threw 72% strikes, and 109 pitches at that point doesn’t seem like too many to me. Their bullpen is just bad in general.

Milendriel - October 9, 2009 reply

I agree

He was losing his release point, he had hit a batter and then walked one after being nearly perfect

I would have removed him and brought in Smoltz to face Kemp… but even then, going to Miller to get Either out was the right call.

After much consideration this is without a doubt the worst baseball game I have ever seen.

No other game even comes close.

I see Dave took this and ran with it on Fangraphs today

Color me unsurprised

And pretty much doesn't understand how the majority of Cards fans feel

At least those at VEB. People recognize that Franklin was the main malefactor in the Cardinals loss; however, the game thread obviously is going to be pissed at Holliday.