In hindsight, I regret posting these in the order I did. Conclusions leave stronger impressions than beginnings, and by doing it this way I'm more likely to convey the notion that I favor this argument over yesterday's, which just isn't true. Reason is important, but so is emotion - especially in this case - and had I posted the first part second and the second part first, I might have avoided coming off cold and unfeeling. But this is the order I've gone with, and the best I can do is reassure you that all points raised these last two days are valid, none more valid than any other. There is both a rational way to approach this situation and an emotional one, and before I proceed with the former, I just want to say that I love Felix Hernandez, and I love him very much.
Now then. I hope this doesn't hurt.
The first thing we have to do, here, is establish that Felix is really good. I guess we don't need to do it since it's already pretty well established, but just in case you forgot, Felix is a 23 year old starter coming off a 34-start season in which he posted a 2.49 ERA, a 3.09 FIP, and a 3.31 tRA. He's a four-pitch pitcher that throws strikes, misses bats, and keeps the ball on the ground, and though he doesn't have Roy Halladay's command, Justin Verlander's unhittability, or Joel Pineiro's hatred of worms, it's Felix's blend of all three abilities that makes him so special. He's on the short list of the best pitchers in baseball, a pitcher whose workhorseitude has laid to rest any concerns one might've had about his durability or mechanics. In short, if you were given the opportunity to build a franchise around any one starting pitcher, Felix is about as good as you could possibly do.
And the thing about amazing, elite-level starting pitchers is that they get paid. A lot. Because they deserve it. According to Fangraphs' Wins Above Replacement calculation, over the past four and a half years Felix has been worth 21.2 wins, or about six more wins than perennial dark horse MVP candidate Justin Morneau. His 6.9 WAR this past season put him in the company of names like Halladay, Ryan Zimmerman, and Evan Longoria. By any measure, Felix Hernandez is a superstar, and the Mariners find themselves in position to lock up that superstar for a long long time.
Clearly, there's no argument that an attempt shouldn't be made. The Mariners have said that they and Felix's agent will sit down sometime soon to talk extension, and when they do, Zduriencik will bring to the table an offer that he and his front office have determined is fair. Felix is the sort of player you make an effort to retain. The big question, then - the biggest question of all - is just what the offer should look like.
Felix is an incredible pitcher. That much is obvious. He's an incredible young pitcher who's worth a big contract that keeps him around for several years. And it's almost unfortunate that the factor setting a ceiling to that contract is maybe the only thing about Felix's career that's out of his control.
The Rays signed Evan Longoria for nine years, and everyone was thrilled. The Washington Capitals signed Alexander Ovechkin for 13 years, and everyone was thrilled. But doing the same sort of thing with Felix wouldn't be a wise move - not because of anything Felix has done, but simply because of what Felix is. Felix is a pitcher, and pitchers, sadly, are both unpredictable and unreliable. Let's go back to 2005 and look at a list of the top young pitchers in the league. Up there are names like John Lackey, Josh Beckett, and Dan Haren. Great pitchers then, and great pitchers still. But also on the list are names like Dontrelle Willis, Mark Prior, and John Patterson. Brandon Webb got hurt. Johan Santana got hurt. Scott Kazmir got hurt. Noah Lowry got hurt. Jeremy Bonderman got hurt. Chris Young got bad. And so on. It sucks, but it's reality. The pitchers who posted the top ten FIPs in the league in 2007 made 161 total starts in 2009. That means that, on average, the group missed half the season. That's bad. That's bad.
There are a million ways of looking at this, but they'll all lead you to the same conclusion. What if we go into history and look at the guys who made the most starts before turning 24? Since integration, 33 guys have made at least 100 Major League starts at 23 or younger. Names like Bert Blyleven, Catfish Hunter, and CC Sabathia are encouraging. Names like Dwight Gooden, Steve Avery, and Alex Fernandez are not. Pitchers can't be depended on to either remain healthy or remain effective, and as much as we'd like to believe that Felix is an exception - as much as we'd like to think "look, he's durable, he hasn't broken down, I think he's proven himself" - Cubs fans felt the same way about Mark Prior, and that story is tragic. There is just no way for anyone to know for certain what the future holds for Felix, and so when you start looking at the odds, you begin to understand the predicament.
Generally speaking, if a starting pitcher is good in year X, he's probably going to be good and healthy again in year X+1. That's not the issue. The issue comes up when you're thinking about year X+3 or X+5 o X+7. With Longoria, we can say with a fair degree of certainty that, six years down the line, he's going to be a really good player. With Felix or any starting pitcher, it's not the same. So when you're drawing up a contract offer for a starting pitcher, you have to weigh how good he is and how good he could be against the likelihood that he declines or blows out his arm. Do that and you'll find that you're pretty unwilling to just guarantee extra years.
The Mariners will look at Felix, they'll look at the history, they'll look at the odds, and they'll come up with a contract. It will be at least four years long. I don't know if they'd be willing to do five, and if they're willing to do five, I don't know if they'd be willing to do six. Maybe they would. If the Mariners offer Felix six years, he's probably going to take it. Five, I dunno. Five could go either way. And four would be a long shot.
The Mariners should know this already. If I know it, then they know it. They know that, if they meet with Alan Nero and offer $100m/6yr, then they've almost certainly got Felix locked up at a $100m/6yr contract. The question is, would they do it? Would they make that kind of offer, or would they limit themselves to five or even four years? It's hard - even for the people who want the M's to pay Felix whatever he wants, there's a limit. Not even the craziest Felix fan in the world would want the M's to promise him $75m a season. Everybody has a limit, and if the Mariners determine that their limit is four or five years, then they've concluded that such a limit is reasonable. Then it becomes a matter of seeing whether the Mariners' highest limit and Felix's lowest overlap.
If the Mariners get Felix locked up, that's great. Any contract this front office offers Felix is going to be a reasonable one, so if they get Felix locked up, that means they got him locked up to a reasonable contract. Where this really becomes an issue, though, is what if they don't? What if the Mariners don't feel comfortable going up to six years? What if Felix won't settle for four or five, or what if he won't even settle for six? What do we do if Jack Zduriencik and Alan Nero sit down, talk contract, and can't come to any agreement? It's easy to say that Z should just pay the difference, but the M's are going to go into these talks with a very good idea of how high they're willing to go, and there's no guarantee that their ceiling will fall within Felix's range of acceptability.
That's when we come to the scenario that's already keeping some of us up at night. A scenario in which Felix Hernandez is still a Seattle Mariner, but a Seattle Mariner without a long-term commitment.
This is when reason and emotion really start to do battle. Fail to re-sign Felix this offseason and you basically give yourself a two-year window of opportunity to do something while he's around. Hold onto him and, if he stays healthy, come next offseason his demands will only be bigger as he looks ahead to free agency. Fail to re-sign Felix now and the likelihood then is that, by 2012, he won't be a Mariner anymore. Not a guarantee, but the most probable outcome.
So if the Mariners can't sign Felix to an extension, they're faced with two choices: Keep him, or trade him.
Personally, I don't see keeping him as that attractive of an option. Felix aside, the M's have a difficult offseason ahead of them. If they intend to contend in 2010, they're going to need to pull some wins out of thin air, and they're going to be in direct competition with three successful organizations. If you keep Felix, you're saying that you want to try to win, but winning - meaningful winning - is going to be hard to achieve. It's always a possibility, but this team isn't going to be the division favorite next year, and while we can't see the future, odds are against them being the favorite the year after that. Keep Felix for two years and you have to try to win without sacrificing so much of your future that you're screwed after he's gone, and that doesn't strike me as the smartest course of action.
Neither does hanging onto him with the intent of trading him at the deadline or next offseason. Felix's value is at or near its highest. For one thing, there's no guarantee that he remains healthy or effective, and for another, even if he does, there will be fewer teams looking to trade for him in July than there will be this December, and the closer he gets to free agency, the less other teams will be willing to give up. Having two guaranteed years of Felix under team control is a lot more valuable than 1.5 or 1 of the same.
If the Mariners and Felix can't agree on an extension, the smartest move as best as I can see it, then, becomes to trade him somewhere else. To put him on the market, to let people know he's on the market, and to sit back and let the offers roll in. Because if the Mariners and Felix can't agree on an extension, then the Mariners are in position to deal their ace for an unthinkable haul.
Emotionally, it'd be rough. I talked about that at some length last night. But a GM can't let himself get led astray by emotion, because emotion is irrational, and successful ballclubs aren't built on irrationality. Felix is an icon. Randy was an icon. Griffey was an icon. Those two were dealt and the team moved ahead, and should we get to the nightmare scenario with Felix, the same thing should happen. The team should do what's in the best interests of the team, and what would be in the best interests of the team would be trading its most valuable asset for a collection of talent that could help the Mariners win their first title.
People will argue that to trade Felix is to cripple the team, but what they mean is that to trade Felix is to damage their fanhood, because while Felix is amazing and awesome and everything in between, he's one guy, one guy coming off a season in which he was worth seven wins more than Chris Jakubauskas. Seven wins is a lot, and Felix is among the most irreplaceable players in the league, but the point is that, in almost every case, it's impossible to cripple a team by trading one player. To cripple a team is to trade Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips, and Grady Sizemore for a starter. That's the sort of move that can set you back ten years. To trade one guy, though, just isn't as significant, and in Felix's case, comes with the potential of maybe even bringing back a Lee/Phillips/Sizemore sort of package. There's no realistic way that trading Felix could make the Mariners better immediately, but if they land a good deal and the players develop, a year or three down the road could find them in an excellent situation. What if the Mariners traded Felix for a long-term 4 WAR shortstop and a 4-WAR starter? They'd be worse in 2010, but by 2011 and 2012, they'd be reaping the rewards.
We're Mariners fans. The Mariners are what brought us together. As Mariners fans, we've gone through times during which it felt like Felix was the only thing keeping us sane, but the reason we got so low in the first place is because the front office didn't make decisions that were in the organization's best interests. We still would've loved Felix had the team been successful, but the love wouldn't be the same. And so, now that we're being run by a competent GM and an extraordinary set of assistants, we have to ask ourselves: do we care more about Felix than we care about the team? A year ago, I might've said yes. Now...now I can't. I can't because for the first time in forever I know that the Mariners are going in the right direction, and that's exciting. I've had fun rooting for a pitcher, but I'm ready to root for a team, and I'm ready to root for a team in October.
The Mariners' front office should abide by one rule and one rule only: do what you think is best for the team. If they get Felix re-signed, that's wonderful. For everyone. But if they can't, because they determine that Felix's demands go beyond what's reasonable to offer, what's best for the team becomes trading Felix for a haul. And while that's not something anyone really wants to think about, ultimately, the organization knows that almost all of its fans will remain loyal, because we've been through similar situations before and come out shining on the other side.
Felix Hernandez is an extraordinary pitcher. We love Felix Hernandez for a number of reasons, but first and foremost, we love Felix Hernandez because we love the Seattle Mariners.
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Any chance Ichiro is moved if Felix is traded?
How did that Cleveland style rebuilding turn out anyway?
Janic - October 9, 2009
Ichiro's not getting moved
Jeff Sullivan - October 9, 2009
89 win average from 2005-07 while being incredibly unlucky in 2006
They were one win away from the WS in 2007, and missed the playoffs despite winning 93 games in 2005.
Poochie - October 9, 2009
Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore for Colon?
That’s sort of the package I’m alluding to below. It’s really painful to consider, but I know Cleveland’s pretty happy with that deal.
marc w - October 9, 2009
That was an amazing deal looking back on it.
Janic - October 9, 2009
Obviously, there are pros and cons to each approach
which means that it really comes down to a specific package that the M’s would get in trade.
I don’t know what I’d need – my emotional side won’t really let me consider this in depth – but for every M’s fan, and even for those who love Felix, he has a price. Like everyone, I want the M’s to win with Felix as their #1. Felix isn’t just my favorite Mariner, he’s the guy who got me into the minors in a more comprehensive way, and he’s the guy who I juggled everything around to watch in Tacoma. I do feel like I watched him grow up, because I remember sitting by him at Cheney when he wasn’t old enough to drink (and I had my customary two beers).
All that said, there’s a point at which it makes sense for everyone. I don’t think anyone debates that, what the ‘emotional’ side doesn’t want is for the situation to go down like Griffey, where the team waits, loses all leverage and makes a deal from a weak position (yeah yeah, that worked out OK in the end, which is sort of irrelevant here). The RJ deal is a hybrid, but 3 players from a team’s 5-10 ‘spects at best…. no, that ain’t going to cut it for me. But there is a deal that might make sense. I’d just like to stop thinking about it.
marc w - October 9, 2009
What are the chances we could get Evan Longoria in a Felix deal?
Or Zimmerman?
50 cent - October 9, 2009
Zero
less than zero.
seattlebruin - October 9, 2009
So there's a chance?
50 cent - October 10, 2009
No, there's not
As Decatur has pointed out, Longoria is an even more valuable asset than Felix, and the Rays likely wouldn’t trade him 1:1 for Felix.
Zimmerman, on the other hand, is a significantly less valuable (though still very good) player. However, whatever team trades for Felix will immediately assume the Mariners’ current burden of signing Felix to a long-term deal, and the Nationals are simply not in a position to do this even if they gained control of him.
seattlebruin - October 10, 2009
Felix -> Team x
Team x’s prospects → Washington
Zimmerman → Mariners
lailaihei - October 10, 2009
It won't happen.
The Nationals are building around Zimmerman as evidenced by their signing him through 2013. He’s their franchise player.
Wilder. - October 10, 2009
Fine
zero chance of Longoria.
Slightly greater than zero, but not by much on Ryan Zimmerman.
seattlebruin - October 10, 2009
If we won't pay for Felix, you can be certain the Rays and Nationals won't pay for him.
Wilder. - October 10, 2009
Well, Longoria is the most valuable asset in baseball.
As Dave Cameron said,
Let’s estimate that Longoria is a hall-of-fame caliber player – let’s say 5 wins a year on average, although he’ll probably be even better.
I’m bad at this, but.. Assuming a somewhat low 1.07 per year salary inflation.
…………………………………………………………………..5 wins……….
2002 – $2.6m / win 2009: $4.5m/win…………$22.5m……..
2003 – $2.8m / win 2010: $4.8 m/ win………..$24m…………
2004 – $3.1m / win 2011: $5.1 m/ win……….$25.5m……….
2005 – $3.4m / win 2012: $5.5 m/ win………..$27.5m………
2006 – $3.7m / win 2013: $5.9 m/ win………..$29.5m…….
2007 – $4.1m / win 2014: $6.3 m/ win………..31.8m………
2008 – $4.5m / win 2015: $6.7 m/ win…………33.5………..
……………………………..2016: $7.1 m/win…………..35.5………….
If Longoria played at a five win level, he’d be paid 50 million for services rendered worth 229.5 million, or about be worth on average about $32.8m per year) – and worth 275.2 millon at 6 war per year, and 321.4 million if he played at a 7 WAR per year level.
Let’s go with At 5 WAR/y, he’s a $180 million dollar value. What can we trade for him?
Two years of Felix, as a 5 WAR pitcher, will probably be worth about $22.5m + $24.0m = $46.5
46.5 minus 20m Salary = 26.5m in total value
Three years of Gutz, as a 4 WAR player, = $61.6 million
61.6 million minus, say, 11.6 million = 50 million
26.5m + 50 m = $76.5 million.
That means that The net value of Felix and Gutierrez, our two most valuable players, is only about 40% of what Longoria is worth. Using one of those fancy Beyond of the Boxscore or Victor Wang prospect calculators, I’m not sure if we could find $105 million in value if we mailed them our top ten prospects as well. There might be literally nothing the mariners could practically trade the rays of equal value as Longoria.
Decatur - October 10, 2009
You are very good at this.
CapSea - October 10, 2009
The other day someone brought up (again) passing on Lincecum
and Salk reminded the caller that 8 other teams passed on Timmy too and added, ‘think Tampa Bay is sorry they drafted Longoria instead?’ My first thought was, no, but I bet the two teams ahead of Tampa might be …
msb - October 10, 2009
I hope Z is reading
zeeehjee - October 9, 2009
I am excited to watch Zduriencik make good trades this offseason.
I am not excited to watch Zduriencik make one great trade this offseason
Dewey N - October 9, 2009
How long do you expect this to drag out?
Janic - October 9, 2009
We should know about his contract situation before the winter meetings, I'd imagine
Jeff Sullivan - October 9, 2009
A piñata can only take so many hits before it breaks.
I’ve already had to endure RJ, A-Rod and Griffey leaving. I love the Mariners but a piece of me dies every time we get rid of a franchise player. I was pissed when we traded Jose Cruz Jr, which is totally irrational because he didn’t pan out but I hate seeing homegrown talent enjoy success with another team. (Yes I know RJ started as an Expo)
ColeFitz88 - October 9, 2009
So if Felix gets traded, everyone gets candy!
abender20 - October 10, 2009
Lollipops would be nice
but they wouldn’t taste the same without the sunshine and rainbows :(
Eyeball Kid - October 10, 2009
If he gets an overpay on a 4 or 5 year deal, I think great, that pays him for what he done as well as his potential.
I’m a labor guy, so part of these big contracts that pay for the future? I’m thinking hey, that was a bit of paying for the cheap years. Not all of these big league players pay off with Hall Of Fame numbers forever, but some of them pay off when they’re under team control. So they are owed. Only my opinion and one that is from a limited to type of background.
You pay a man what he is worth, or for his value. His value is what he provides via his labor and experience. His ability (labor) has been terrific to this point, now his experience is the value added quantity. The few pitchers I’ve admired have all said there was a point where they stopped throwing and started pitching. Typically that was because they aged and lost top end speed on their fastball. Who knows what that meant; ability to throw top speed for control, movement, or even hit that top speed at all due to age or injury. What matters to me is guys like Warren Spahn admit to making an adjustment at some point in their career. Perhaps Felix has made an adjustment, but not because he has lost something, but because he’s learned how every weapon in his arsenal complements each other. Pretty rare.
Zduriencik is a proven horse trader. That is not a title that is just thrown about, from my background. So he’s only made one 12 player 3 team trade. To me that defines a boundary. Not just that trade, but every move he’s made. He’s addressed needs of the team with assets that were available. He hasn’t opened the checkbook. There are people yammering for a big bat; sure the team could have used runs scored. But runs against, what about that? Gootch was a big time upgrade, and one that improved the team to the point contention and for the price of a closer. I’m attempting to quantify Zduriencik’s value and ability with player evaluation, market value, and availability in a paragraph! And no research, I’m past thin ice. Short version of the long form, Zduriencik is exactly the person I want to be in drivers seat with this situation. It is what it is. And GMZ has done what he’s done. From my seat, we’re cool baby. No worries. The team gets better and hits the World Series, if anyone involved in a Felix trade gets us there or clinches the victory, then it is a win. If it’s Felix himself, so much the better.
Kermit. - October 10, 2009
If they can package Felix with Silva I will like any trade much better.
CapSea - October 10, 2009
Don't care. Sign him.
Goose - October 10, 2009
One point that has been underemphasized...
Signing Felix long-term is risky. But so is trading Felix.
In order for this trade to help the Mariners get significantly closer to being World Series contenders, we would have to get a couple of really good players. Say, two players with 4 win potential. But even if we convince some team to give us two or more players of that caliber (and I’m not sure there are many front offices as stupid and desperate as the Expos that traded for Colon or the Bavasi Mariners out there today), there is no guarantee that they will pan out. They could get injured, or they could turn out to be 2 or 3 win players rather than 4 or 5 win players. We could end up with a couple more average players (or nothing), but one less star.
The fact is, a 5-7 win player is more valuable than three 2 win players or two 3 win players. We have averagish players—we need stars like Felix. Of course there is no guarantee that Felix will stay healthy. But we can’t forget that there is no guarantee that we’ll get a franchise-changing package of players by trading him either. Given that there is uncertainty both ways, I’d rather stick with Felix.
b_rider - October 10, 2009
Well said, and very true
A 6-win player is more valuable then two 4-win players, because that’s two starting roster spots as opposed to one. So, barring injury, having a 6-win player and a decent player (2.5-3 wins) is significantly more valuable then two 4-win players, because the decent player can be upgraded by a number of other players. Finding a suitable upgrade over a 4-win player would not only be difficult, but also unnecessary, unless switching positions is an option.
Of course, since injury is a reality, splitting the wins down the middle makes sense to minimize risk of injury crippling a team. But if we’re talking about a non-Yankees/Red Sox team, it would be difficult to replace even a 4-win player (a la Morneau).
cwel87 - October 10, 2009
I doubt Z would pull the trigger on a trade without a more than adequate return being offered
Especially not this offseason.
OlSalty - October 10, 2009
It all depends on the package.
I could certainly imagine a trade offer where I would have to say, “The rational thing is to make the trade.” But my point is that it would have to be pretty good. We’d have to get at least a couple of sure-thing prospects out of it.
Are there GMs out there any more who will trade the farm for one starting pitcher? Maybe there is.
I still think we should keep him, but the emotion plays a big part in that.
b_rider - October 10, 2009
How much does ability to trade him later factor into it?
I.e. Would a no-trade clause make a normally reasonable amount of money and years a worse deal overall?
Spoomeister - October 10, 2009
Of course.
Matthew - October 10, 2009
Is such a thing is negotiable, or are no-trade clauses just a given in contracts with any halfway decent player?
Spoomeister - October 10, 2009
Negotiable
Jeff Sullivan - October 10, 2009
I know it's trite, but God dammit Bavasi.
I hate that I was sitting right in front of him when he gave his “the ball is in Felix’s court” speech, and that I didn’t yell at him. Talk about moves that set a club back ten years.
katal - October 10, 2009
Bravo!
sirbrianwilson - October 10, 2009
Wait there are M's fans?
Any way any Felix trade that will happen I will cry and complain then give all the prospects crap for being traded for Felix but I’d get over it after a month… Unless it was a really shitty trade.
Slurvey - October 10, 2009
What I've never understood is..
why ace-level pitchers don’t sign incentive-laden deals with a high base.
For example, Felix is offered a contract with a base salary of like, 7/56. In other words, even if he blows his arm out in 2011, he still collects the remainder of that, aka more than enough to keep him set for life.
But if he pulls a few more years like this with 200 IP give him an extra seven million or so for that, and a great year like this (basically make it a sliding scale, top 10 in Cy Young voting gets him an extra $5MM, top 5 gets him 7.5, top 3 gets him $10, winning it gets him $12.5 million)
Seems win-win for both sides; the team isn’t immediately screwed if the player blows out his arm, and the player’s still set for life anyway, and if he’s a perennial Cy candidate, he makes A-Rod money,
craig3410 - October 10, 2009
Problems arise when you link a player's salary to how the people who cover him vote on awards.
A player is going to want as much guaranteed money as possible. Even if the Mariners offered a potentially-lucrative incentive-laden contract, Felix knows he could get more guaranteed money from a dozen other teams.
katal - October 10, 2009
High incentive deals can really screw with your budget
since you introduce uncertainty.
Matthew - October 10, 2009
I'm not so sure type of contracts are necessarily better for the player
They want as much guaranteed money as possible; they know as well as anyone how unpredictable baseball careers can be and they want to get paid one way or the other. And in order for an incentive-laden contract to be beneficial to a team it has to mean less guaranteed money for the player.
OlSalty - October 10, 2009
those type*
OlSalty - October 10, 2009
emotion emotion resign need felix kill reason
Fett42 - October 10, 2009
Felix for Gordon Beckham....
I’m an idiot, right?
Buckyfan - October 10, 2009 via mobile
I hope you're a White Sox fan
seattlebruin - October 10, 2009
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Just popping in, I’ll read it later.
Eyeball Kid - October 10, 2009
This post is awful
Jeff Sullivan - October 10, 2009
If it makes you feel any better it made me sad!
Robert - October 10, 2009
That helps a little
Jeff Sullivan - October 10, 2009
Teamwork!
Robert - October 10, 2009
It certainly didn't sway me much, if at all, on the idea of losing Felix
Gihyou - October 10, 2009
This is the best part...
Personally, if we give Felix $100/6 I will be ecstatic because it means we get 6 more years to watch Felix, an HOF caliber pitcher, during his prime. If we end up trading him for a ridiculous haul, I will be sad at first and then ecstatic. Every fan of a baseball team wishes that their team had this problem to deal with. It’s a win-win situation and I’m prepared for either result.
lailaihei - October 10, 2009
Awful as in poor points or awful as in soulless?
Dewey N - October 10, 2009
Awful as in it hurt to write
Jeff Sullivan - October 10, 2009
So it's clearly wrong then.
Dewey N - October 10, 2009
I like it
Poochie - October 10, 2009
Think about it this way:
25% chance of winning a World Series in the next 5 years with Felix,
or
40% chance of winning a World Series in the next 5 years with Felix’s haul,
which do you choose? If you don’t choose Felix, you have no soul.
Manzanillos Cup - October 10, 2009
Can't dispute those numbers, either.
abender20 - October 10, 2009
I chose option C, pray to God until you make it to the World Series
worked for the Rockies
seattlebruin - October 10, 2009
Trade Felix?
Drederick Tatum - October 10, 2009
This is a quality first comment.
And no this is not sarcasm.
Goose - October 11, 2009
Not only is it a good first comment, he has a great username.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - October 12, 2009
Backload the contract?
You’d almost have to if you want to win in 2010 or 2011.
The Typical Idiot Fan - October 10, 2009
Don't you backload the contract pretty much as a rule in situations such as these?
Aaron Campeau - October 11, 2009
Probably, but I'm thinking severe backloading.
Since one of our problems in 2010 is the current budget, if Felix is slated to make ~10m in arbitration and ~15 in 2011, getting him to accept anything lower than that for 2010 and 2011’s part of the budgets would give us more room to work with. After that, Silva and Kenji’s contracts would both be gone, and we’d have more money to give out to Felix.
So, say you can get him to accept 5 for 2010, 10 for 2011, and 21.25 per year for 2012-2015. Teams like New York and Boston could still take his contract off your hands if you find that you can’t / don’t want to afford him from 2012 on.
The Typical Idiot Fan - October 11, 2009
If you don't want him after 2011 though, who else will want to take on a contract like that?
You put yourself in a scary position at that point.
Aaron Campeau - October 11, 2009
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