1) Greinke deserved it more because he pitched even better.
2) The award going to Felix might have made it harder for the Ms to sign him to a reasonable contract.
(These reasons are greater than my love for Felix making me want him to win it).
Those are just newspaper fluff stories that newspapers write because there is nothing else to write. The use the “new pitch” thing to say that is why a crappy pitcher gets off to a hot start. He had that hot April and then look what happened, he went right back to his same old self.
Also, who else besides me was idiotic enough to think the following:
“Silva is 3-0, he is good, I dont know what those people at USSM and LL are complaining about”. But I learned my lesson. And I really liked Daves post at USSM “The Spirit of Regression to the Mean inhabits the body of an overweight Venezuelan Man”.
I understand what Trenchtown is getting after. Ryan Franklin is probably the most egregious example for a recent Mariner.
Other than Silva, but I’ve kind of written him off and put him away. Anyway, in ‘02 or something, Franklin was off to a hot start and they credited it to him working with Wilson. He supposedly wasn’t shaking the catcher off anymore, just pitching. And interestingly enough, he really wasn’t shaking off the catcher anymore.
It just blew me away that Greinke didn’t have the change up already, and just put it in his arsenal that quickly.
I realize these awards are meaningless to the point of absurdity, but they get enough of them right so as to not overly arouse the ire of incredulous fans. If you saw a season where the all of the gold gloves went to people in the bottom 3 at each position then even the most casual fan would take notice and start griping.
No doubt, I’d be more disappointed if the writers had looked harder at that useless stats WINS. So the Royals can’t hit, can’t score runs and ergo… Greinke doesn’t rack up wins.
I couldn't help but become a big fan of Greinke this year.
I think it’s pretty damn cool that he has turned into one of the best starters in baseball, considering how likely it was that he’d become just another busted prospect a few years ago. Of course he’d get a lot more recognition for his comeback if he had been snorting massive amounts of cocaine instead of having lame “debilitating clinical depression and social anxiety disorder.”
I can’t help but eeling like when a Mariner does something great they’re always going to be outperformed.
2001’s Cy Young still pisses me off. Fuck Roger Clemens, that roiding piece of shit. Him and his roids knocked us too many times. Even though Joe Smith or whatever the hell his name was should have won in 2001.
Making the right decision doesn’t necessarily indicate that they’re getting smarter either. Just that they made a right decision. Getting Beltre for the Mariners was a good decision, but based on the history of their organization, I’m inclined to believe it was 100% dumb luck and not actually due to an intelligent thought process.
Though I think it’s obvious the BBWAA is getting at least somewhat more educated, but that’s neither here nor there. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe they also got this decision right on accident, and not because they got smarter in their decision making skills.
I'm really glad Felix got 2nd over the others
Even if Halladay and Verlander may have been better.
lailaihei - November 17, 2009 via mobile
Am I the only one glad that Felix didn't win?
The numbers are what matter, and had he won, he would have instantly demanded $30 million more than the last contract offer.
craig3410 - November 17, 2009
I'm glad he didn't win because he didn't deserve to win.
Greinke did.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - November 17, 2009
I am glad he didnt win for two reasons:
1) Greinke deserved it more because he pitched even better.
2) The award going to Felix might have made it harder for the Ms to sign him to a reasonable contract.
(These reasons are greater than my love for Felix making me want him to win it).
ARock - November 17, 2009
So he really learned the change up this spring? I find that incredible.
Kermit. - November 17, 2009
No haven't you learned anything?
Those are just newspaper fluff stories that newspapers write because there is nothing else to write. The use the “new pitch” thing to say that is why a crappy pitcher gets off to a hot start. He had that hot April and then look what happened, he went right back to his same old self.
Trenchtown - November 17, 2009
So When Carlos Silva started out 3-0 in 2008, it was because he had a new pitch?
ARock - November 17, 2009
Also, who else besides me was idiotic enough to think the following:
“Silva is 3-0, he is good, I dont know what those people at USSM and LL are complaining about”. But I learned my lesson. And I really liked Daves post at USSM “The Spirit of Regression to the Mean inhabits the body of an overweight Venezuelan Man”.
ARock - November 17, 2009
I understand what Trenchtown is getting after. Ryan Franklin is probably the most egregious example for a recent Mariner.
Other than Silva, but I’ve kind of written him off and put him away. Anyway, in ‘02 or something, Franklin was off to a hot start and they credited it to him working with Wilson. He supposedly wasn’t shaking the catcher off anymore, just pitching. And interestingly enough, he really wasn’t shaking off the catcher anymore.
It just blew me away that Greinke didn’t have the change up already, and just put it in his arsenal that quickly.
Kermit. - November 18, 2009
Dude, my comment was satirical
SATIRICAL DAMMIT!!!!
Trenchtown - November 18, 2009
Nice.
They made the right call there.
ThundaPC - November 17, 2009
The real test will come when when there's an unremarkable 20 game winner against a guy like Grienke
I still can’t believe Clemens didn’t win in ’05
Poochie - November 17, 2009
Felix's price better have dropped by a good 20 million just now.
Bearskin Rugburn - November 17, 2009
I am displeased
Robert - November 17, 2009
Wow, an award in baseball actually went to the correct person!
Has this ever happened before!?
ARock - November 17, 2009
Yes
Graham MacAree - November 17, 2009
Barry Bonds.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - November 17, 2009
Pujols could have one like 3 more MVP's if not for that guy :(
vivaelpujols - November 17, 2009
*won
vivaelpujols - November 17, 2009
2nd place is the first loser
Poochie - November 17, 2009
Aaron Miles is the last loser
Trenchtown - November 18, 2009
Not to mention Polanco and Longoria...
I realize these awards are meaningless to the point of absurdity, but they get enough of them right so as to not overly arouse the ire of incredulous fans. If you saw a season where the all of the gold gloves went to people in the bottom 3 at each position then even the most casual fan would take notice and start griping.
Ike Clanton - November 17, 2009
They're good for XBOX360 Achievements
seattlecougar - November 17, 2009
..
seattlecougar - November 17, 2009
..
seattlecougar - November 17, 2009
Awesome.
royalcurve - November 17, 2009
Oh Steve, you started out so well!
“Posted by SteveInRavenna at 11/17/09 11:33 a.m.
No doubt, I’d be more disappointed if the writers had looked harder at that useless stats WINS. So the Royals can’t hit, can’t score runs and ergo… Greinke doesn’t rack up wins.
ERA and WHIP are all that should matter."
Eyebrows - November 17, 2009 via mobile
Zach Grienke is a crazy and I wanted Felix to feel like he could be relevant all the way up in Seattle so he might take a discount :(
Robert - November 17, 2009
Kansas City is way less relevant than Seattle.
Matthew - November 17, 2009
Felix seems to be exactly the type of person that will easily realize this.
Robert - November 17, 2009
You idiot
We aren’t posting about the awards.
Jeff Sullivan - November 17, 2009
Oh shit!
You made daddy mad!
Eyebrows - November 17, 2009 via mobile
Since I never write anything this doesn't count as a post
Graham MacAree - November 17, 2009
Perhaps you could have fanshotted it instead.
Matthew - November 17, 2009
Perhaps I could fanshot your mum instead
Graham MacAree - November 17, 2009
Stay on topic
Jeff Sullivan - November 17, 2009
One might be compelled to point out that complaints about the off-topicness of previous comments are not themselves on-topic
But that would be an exercise in silly semantics and probably quite annoying.
Graham MacAree - November 17, 2009
And meta
philosofool - November 17, 2009
I couldn't help but become a big fan of Greinke this year.
I think it’s pretty damn cool that he has turned into one of the best starters in baseball, considering how likely it was that he’d become just another busted prospect a few years ago. Of course he’d get a lot more recognition for his comeback if he had been snorting massive amounts of cocaine instead of having lame “debilitating clinical depression and social anxiety disorder.”
Manzanillos Cup - November 17, 2009
Yep, he deserved it
I can’t help but eeling like when a Mariner does something great they’re always going to be outperformed.
2001’s Cy Young still pisses me off. Fuck Roger Clemens, that roiding piece of shit. Him and his roids knocked us too many times. Even though Joe Smith or whatever the hell his name was should have won in 2001.
OceanBird - November 17, 2009
Freddy didn't deserve it
Jeff Sullivan - November 17, 2009
But if he had been we would have been the first team in MLB history to sweep the awards and win 116 games but lose in the ALCS.
Robert - November 17, 2009
Also we won ROY and MVP that year
Graham MacAree - November 17, 2009
Manager and executive of the year as well.
Robert - November 17, 2009
Don't forget BEST FANS IN BASEBALL!
oh wait that’s not an award
pdb - November 17, 2009
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/210897/yankees2001.PNG
Jeff Sullivan - November 17, 2009
Imagine that rotation with our position players
Graham MacAree - November 17, 2009
Wow. They had the 3 best pitchers by FIP.
ARock - November 17, 2009
It's almost as if they were built to dominate in a short series
Poochie - November 17, 2009
Freaking days off in the playoffs!
ARock - November 17, 2009
I know, Joe Mays, right?
Still standing however is that fact that Freddy was better than Clemens…just going by the mainstream stats.
OceanBird - November 17, 2009
I have a problem with the idea they are getting smarter
There was a pretty obvious correct decision that required little intelligence to make.
Gihyou - November 17, 2009
Ahem
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Jeff Sullivan - November 17, 2009
Ooh
Link 4!
Jeff Sullivan - November 17, 2009
I think you misunderstand
They are still bafflingly stupid, only this time there was no automatic 20-game winner to vote for.
One right decision isn’t going to undo all the bad previous ones in my mind. I require more samples.
Gihyou - November 17, 2009
Well yes they are still not smart enough
Jeff Sullivan - November 17, 2009
Did you know you can get smarter while still remaining dumb?
Graham MacAree - November 17, 2009
Yes
Maybe they are getting smarter. But I’m too cynical to believe that.
Gihyou - November 17, 2009
He's right in some ways though.
Making the right decision doesn’t necessarily indicate that they’re getting smarter either. Just that they made a right decision. Getting Beltre for the Mariners was a good decision, but based on the history of their organization, I’m inclined to believe it was 100% dumb luck and not actually due to an intelligent thought process.
Though I think it’s obvious the BBWAA is getting at least somewhat more educated, but that’s neither here nor there. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe they also got this decision right on accident, and not because they got smarter in their decision making skills.
CapSea - November 17, 2009
Obviously there is progess being made because they didn't give it to Sabathia or Verlander
OlSalty - November 18, 2009
This gives me a small sliver of hope that they'll get a certain Hall vote right next month.
Only a small sliver though.
But hey, optimism!
xero3k - November 18, 2009
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