- It was a very heads-up play. Not a lot of guys would've been paying attention to third base in that situation, but Damon was thinking the whole time, and earned himself a free 90 feet. There was no risk - he saw that the base was uncovered and knew he could outrun Feliz to the bag, so he helped his team without putting their odds of winning jeopardy.
- Advancing to third base with two outs provides a boost, but a small one, as runners will generally score from second on any hit. The win probability added of the first steal was +4%, as Damon got himself into scoring position. The win probability added of the second steal was +1.6%. The steal of third did not dramatically improve the Yankees' odds of winning.
- Damon's steal is being celebrated because it supposedly took away Brad Lidge's low slider, as throwing a low slider with a man on third runs the risk of allowing him to score on a wild pitch or passed ball. The very next pitch after Damon's steal was a low slider to Mark Teixeira. Lidge has thrown just 15 wild pitches the last three seasons, and this year Carlos Ruiz allowed only one passed ball. The low slider was still in play, and even if Lidge's chances of throwing it are lower with Damon on third than with Damon on second, it's not off the board, and as such, the hitter still needs to watch for it. Neither Teixeira nor Alex Rodriguez could go up to the plate certain that Lidge wouldn't throw a low slider, and because of that neither at bat would've been significantly changed.
- If Lidge wouldn't want to throw a low slider with Damon on third, he also in theory wouldn't want to throw a low slider with Damon on first, since a WP or PB would put a runner in scoring position. Of course, Lidge did throw a low slider with Damon on first, but if people believe in the former, they also have to believe in the latter, meaning Damon's biggest accomplishment in the inning was not stealing third, but rather reaching first.
- In the same quote, Yankees third base coach Rob Thomson describes the steal as "completely instinctive" while later explaining that it was something the team worked on in spring training. If it's something people practiced and something people learned, then by definition it can't be instinctive.
- Had Alex Rodriguez gotten out instead of hitting a double, Damon's steal would be seen as more a curiosity and less a grand achievement. Damon, of course, would've scored from second on a double, and probably from first.
Far too often, it isn't sufficient for a play to be clever or helpful or intelligent. It has to be A Play, something dramatic, something legendary and worthy of celebration. The tendency to make something grand from something small may be the result of a landscape in which often only the loudest voices stand out, but it's misguided at best and misleading at worst, and the inclination to make too much of too little in order to draw attention ("Ruiz will be the x factor!") frequently only serves to shed light on something other than what is truly significant. Johnny Damon made a heads-up play, an unusual play that slightly improved the Yankees' chances of winning the game. Shouldn't that be enough?
Damon said he first started thinking out that sort of steal last year, back when Giambi was getting the same sort of shift.
msb - November 2, 2009
*about. Not out.
msb - November 2, 2009
You've obviously never had to sell ad time on a summer sport to a TV network during football season
Johnny Damon made a heads-up play, an unusual play that slightly improved the Yankees’ chances of winning the game. Shouldn’t that be enough?
To us, yes. To the hype machine that has to be fed, nope. I’d love to see if that play would be as mythologized if Carlos Ruiz or Jayson Werth had done it, or if the Yankee Factor is at play here.
pdb - November 2, 2009
Couldn't they just mythologize A-Rod's double or Bill Mueller's single instead?
It seems like there would be a million ways to write glowingly about Damon’s steal without calling it something more than it was.
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Yes, but if they celebrated ARod's double they would have to praise ARod
Better to celebrate a steal that didnt actually modify the outcome, becuase we all know that ARod is the anti-clutch.
ARock - November 2, 2009
Not anymore!
Just ask the Post!
pdb - November 2, 2009
That is some picture
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Those are two constipated dudes.
pdb - November 2, 2009
In this, as in all things overhype
blame the demands of a voracious 24 hour media machine that needs something to shout about.
pdb - November 2, 2009
This, of course, is a response to people like Nick Cafardo
Boston.com:
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Ben Walker just left it as "Johnny Damon's daring dash"
msb - November 2, 2009
But there was nothing daring about it
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
It was "daring" because it was Damon?
Maybe?
msb - November 2, 2009
Maybe he meant to write "Dashing Damon's Daring Diversion"
lailaihei - November 3, 2009
"Shouldn't that be enough?"
Yes it should be enough….but ‘Damon slightly increases Yankees chances of winning’ isnt an exciting story, and the reporters are being paid to tell us an exciting story, not to accurately convey the strategic effect of each baseball decision. So they take it and turn it into a good story, and who cares about the accuracy.
ARock - November 2, 2009
The exciting story should be that the won the game! Dramatically!
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Damon aside, I think you are underappreciating the psychological affect
Statistical analysis makes one avoid imagining what Lidge had to have been fighting in his head at that point, the thoughts he needed to ignore as statistically irrelevant distractions:
“I should have got Damon out with 2 strikes… but didn’t
“I should have coverred third…
" did someone teach me that?…
“Damon shouldn’t have even been there…
“what am I doing wrong
“am I doing something wrong..
Then he stopped making good pitches…
Anyway, as much as I was rooting against the Yankees, it was fun watching Damon. He reminded me off the great baserunning kids I’ve seen in Little League. “Really, they are just going to give it to me? Cool.” Those kinds of kids always made the opposing players feel like stupid. He seemed to delay longer than I would expect from someone who was really thinking about the effects of the shift ahead of time, as if he still could quite believe anyone would just leave a base uncovered.
Mirror - November 2, 2009
Underappreciating the psychological effect is most of the point of this here website.
pdb - November 2, 2009
I know. Just couldn't help myself.
Mirror - November 2, 2009
See, that last bit should be how this is handled
Damon stealing third was fun. That’s it. It was a cool, fun thing to watch. It wasn’t a play for the ages.
As for the first bit, I just can’t buy that any Major League closer who’s already won a World Series would be that insecure.
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
I can't buy that any Major League player would be that insecure.
In a league where Willie Bloomquist repeatedly states his belief that he should start every day, there’s no way that a player is that fragile.
pdb - November 2, 2009
Remember Smoltz talking about a sports psychologist in the early 90s?
Smoltz had the core self-confidence to work on it. I recognize it can’t be quantified, but it does exist. From a Jan 9, 2009 farewell (!) article in Sports Illustrated:
“And I remember when he turned it around in ’91 with Dr. Llewellyn,” Fowler said. With Jack Llewellyn, the sports psychologist Smoltz began seeing after starting the 1991 season 2-12. Initially, all of Atlanta was skeptical. “Sigmund Fraud,” one local writer called Llewellyn.
“Smoltz probably caught a lot of grief about that,” Fowler said. Llewellyn even wore a red shirt while sitting in the stands behind home plate, to help Smoltz see red and re-focus. “But he had an exceptional mental strength, and it turned his career around. For any athlete to go to a shrink because he needed help, well, I think that’s one of the most admirable things I’ve ever seen.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jack_wilkinson/01/08/wilkinson.smoltz/index.html
On the other hand, my son remarked that Lidge’s fast ball was topping out about 4 mph slower than it had against his post season National League opponents in a couple of those outings.
Mirror - November 2, 2009
Or maybe Brad Lidge just hasn't been an elite closer since 2005
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
I have to say the change from "2-11 Smoltz" (he never was 2-12) and the "turnaround Smoltz" wasn't nearly as big as is being stated
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=smoltjo01&t=p&year=1991
Poochie - November 2, 2009
Before break 2-11, after break 12-2.
Also, note before the break, he gives up more than 2 runs in 11 games.
After the break, he gives up more than 2 runs in 3 games.
One can argue with Smotz, his GM, and his sports psychologist that sports psychology is hooey, but I’ll bet Cox didn’t argue and didn’t care. With an improvement like that he can wear the women’s underwear on the outside of his uniform if he wants.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Lidge has consulted and worked with a sports psychologist… but it obviously isn’t a panacea or our lasting memory of Chuck Knobloch wouldn’t involve fans ducking along the first base line.
Mirror - November 2, 2009
that of course presumes that sports psychology is responsible for the turnaround
which is by no means a certainty.
pdb - November 2, 2009
It does assume either a placebo or not a placebo or didn't matter
You are making the case that Smoltz would have (could have?) turned around without turning to a psychologist. [If true this actually makes my main point, that significant insecurity doesn’t necessarily prevent elite level performance.]
I am suggesting that someone like Smoltz who is conscious of his own loss of confidence and focus did in fact appear to benefit from trying to do something.
However (!), I was mostly just pointing out that there are Hall of Fame level players who feel insecure and consciously take steps to deal with it.
Mirror - November 2, 2009
Why would you need to invoke anything other than luck to explain Smoltz's year?
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
But you would need to invoke incomprehensible dishonesty
on Smoltz’s part to explain why he would say things explicitly conceding insecurity when he wasn’t actually insecure!
Mirror - November 2, 2009
It doesn't matter that he felt insecure
Those game logs look an awful lot like his insecurity or lack thereof is decoupled from actual performance.
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
He was still bad until August
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
And his 'good' run is just based on a weird HR rate
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
and a lower BABIP
Poochie - November 2, 2009
Of course but runs allowed and W/L don't tell us much of anything that is useful
Poochie - November 2, 2009
Maybe less a matter of insecurity as a matter of distraction
Insecurity is probably fairly common. This issue is whether the player allows it to be a distraction. The edge of effective/not effective for some good pitchers is so narrow., In this case, I think maybe the catcher got distracted from their best game plan as well.
Mirror - November 2, 2009
I am skeptical
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Are you skeptical that an "elite" player could be insecure or
sceptical that Lidge could be effected by insecurity?
Is it that by definition an elite player is psychologically sound and that any statistically significant fall-off in performance must be due to physical deterioration, like a robot wears out over time?
Mirror - November 2, 2009
I am skeptical that Damon's stealing third base resulted in Lidge being knocked off his rocker
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Albert Pujols already killed Brad Lidge's brain
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
And the back wall of Enron....er...Minute Maid Park
pdb - November 2, 2009
I'm pretty sure this will always be my favorite baseball moment.
Manzanillos Cup - November 2, 2009
After Damon's steal yesterday, of course.
Manzanillos Cup - November 2, 2009
I think you mean Scott Podsednik
Poochie - November 2, 2009
Albert Pujols already killed Brad Lidge's Scott Podsednik
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
I think it's possible that Feliz could have tagged him right as he headed off of 2nd with a quick dive or a jab.
abender20 - November 2, 2009
From Neil Best:
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Salk just opined that the steal was the Big Play.
msb - November 2, 2009
Brad Lidge instead of Chan Ho Park would be my personal big play.
This still confuses me.
Kermit. - November 2, 2009
Brad Lidge is THE CLOSER!
duh
pdb - November 2, 2009
Oh yeah...
Are you serious or did I miss some news about Park?
Kermit. - November 2, 2009
Because I'd buy it if you're serious, I don't know anything about the Charlie Manuel
If he’s the type of manager that has that closer mentality.
Kermit. - November 2, 2009
I'm not entirely serious
but I don’t know enough about Manuel to know how serious I am. He just seems very old-school, role-driven, and has faith that his guys will come through.
pdb - November 2, 2009
I kept checking the stats, and wondering if I was missing an obvious point.
An injury, match up, I don’t know.
Kermit. - November 2, 2009
Late, but I guess Ruiz is the anti-Rob Johnson?
hcoguy - November 2, 2009
Keith Olberman
Just called it the Smartest Play in the History of the World Series on Countdown after showing the other top contenders.
Edanger6 - November 3, 2009
I hate him
Completely cancels out Rachel Maddow in terms of quality.
vivaelpujols - November 3, 2009
I mean seriously, "the smartest play in the history of the world series"?
Using THT’s WPA Inquirer, and adjusting for the Yankees run environment (a little over 5.5 runs per game), Damon’s WPA was 2.73% for that play.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/other/wpa_inquirer.php?view=compare&runs1=5.5&runs2=5.5&base1=4&base2=5&inning1=18&inning2=18&outs1=2&outs2=2&score1=0&score2=0
For comparison, a leadoff single in the top of the first is worth 3.36% WPA.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/other/wpa_inquirer.php?view=compare&runs1=5.5&runs2=5.5&base1=8&base2=1&inning1=1&inning2=1&outs1=0&outs2=0&score1=0&score2=0
Was it smart? I don’t even think so. It was instinctive and showed good awareness; however, the chance of being caught stealing or getting injured basically nullifies the positive advantage of the steal.
vivaelpujols - November 3, 2009
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