Tomorrow morning they're going to go forward with an update to the blog layout. I know people hate change and everything, but all things considered it's pretty minor, and besides, I think the new layout looks pretty sharp. Improves readability and all that. Nevertheless, if you hate it or have particular complaints, the tech guys should be floating around listening to feedback.
The update should also serve to improve site loading time, which should bring us one step closer to all-.gif content. To the future!
Update: Feedback thread!
0 recs | 437 comments
SBN 2.1
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
Hopefully this won't expose us to 5-4-08 part II
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
Never forget
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
Mr. Adenhart? That you?
pdb - November 2, 2009
You forgot, didn't you?
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
I know you told me never to forget but I got distracted by all the yellow ribbons and eagles and whatnot
pdb - November 2, 2009
.
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
Would anyone like to offer an explanation as to what this event was?
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
We forgot what it was
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
The death of SBN 1.0
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Way to be wrong retard
Robert - November 3, 2009
Everyone knows it was the day Jeff joined the National Guard.
Robert - November 3, 2009
We'd have reached the all-gif content months ago
if I wasn’t hamstrung by work filters.
Eyebrows - November 2, 2009 via mobile
Why the fuck was I not involved with the beta process?
Robert - November 2, 2009
If they implement live updating comments I'm going to demand a refund on my subscription
pdb - November 2, 2009
The nice thing is it's already got the Jeff stamp of approval so groupthinkers ahoy!
THIS IS THE BEST BLOG LAYOUT UPDATE EVER
pdb - November 2, 2009
Jeff approved of the last layout even back when it was raping us.
Robert - November 2, 2009
In its defense we dressed like we wanted it
pdb - November 2, 2009
Plus we're always under the influence.
CapSea - November 2, 2009
damn roofies
pdb - November 2, 2009
This seems like a lie
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
Hey turns out you were right.
Robert - November 2, 2009
Any changes to the mobile site?
lailaihei - November 2, 2009 via mobile
My only request for the mobile site is to make it a version similar to SBN1.0 with red indicators for new comments
Robert - November 2, 2009
So are we going to get a easy way to move forward and back between parts of a game thread?
Robert - November 2, 2009
So are we going to get an option to integrate players spelling into our dictionary?
Robert - November 2, 2009
So are we going to get a way to find part 1 of GT's in the Archives?
Robert - November 2, 2009
So are we going to get a way to disable gifs/images on our profile page?
Robert - November 2, 2009
So are we going to get a way to easily count recs?
Robert - November 2, 2009
So are we going to get a way to have threads not count comments as read until we actually z through them?
Robert - November 2, 2009
This is the only thing I actually want in the new update.
Other improvements would be nice, but this is the biggest one.
BrianL - November 2, 2009
I mostly want SBN to seek input before they start their annual upgrade/tweak cycle
pdb - November 2, 2009
They will
There will be no functional upgrades with this update. Those will come later after collecting ideas.
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
Cool.
pdb - November 2, 2009
So are we going to have a way to delete comments if we put them in the wrong spot?
Robert - November 2, 2009
you must have been a joy at Christmas as a youngun
pdb - November 2, 2009
I can't imagine they gave him any candy in his stocking.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 2, 2009
I got lame ass oranges and lottery cards in my stockings >:(
Robert - November 2, 2009
Maybe you should've eaten one every once in awhile.
Put some nutrients into your system.
Perhaps you wouldn’t be you then.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 2, 2009
I ate the lottery cards instead.
Robert - November 2, 2009
So am I going to get a quick 'Robert timeout' button next to all of his comments?
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
banhammers are rapid and single-use!
pdb - November 2, 2009
I need like four clicks to do it
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
Being able to set a length for a user's ban and have the system automatically unban him seems like it would be fair to both parties.
Robert - November 2, 2009
Only if the length is from the first attempt to comment after the ban
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
Change frightens me
Dewey N - November 2, 2009
On SBN 1.0 you were a normal yet intelligent poster who didn't stick out.
Robert - November 2, 2009
Fogel didn't exist on SBN 1.0 so I would guess he didn't stick out.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 2, 2009
How did you ever survive the 2009 Mariners?
Eyebrows - November 2, 2009 via mobile
Frightened
Dewey N - November 2, 2009
HOLY SHIT
Dewey N - November 3, 2009
Hahaha
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
I want to have a retro night
I miss the old girl
Robert - November 2, 2009
If you're gonna go retro go all the way retro or don't go at all
ASCII LL on a green screen. DO IT SBN
pdb - November 2, 2009
I love the poll
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
SBN 1.0 sucked shit and I don't miss it
Poochie - November 2, 2009
I think you are just saying that because you made thousands of unmemorable comments and the move to 2.0 enabled you to play to your strengths of not having a social life.
Robert - November 2, 2009
I would have done the same on 1.0
Poochie - November 2, 2009
I want a rec leaderboard
also, I want flags to count as negative recs
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
No on the flags.
Its a way for mods to communicate secretly.
Scruffy Lefty - November 2, 2009
Can I least get negative recs then?
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
I can make all of your recs negative if you want
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
That's OK
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
Some blogs use a thumbs up/down system and negatively rated comments become lighter and more difficult to read,
I thought that this was a pretty good idea until I realized that the chances of me surviving without a subversive movement against me are slim to none.
Robert - November 2, 2009
Why would anyone waste their time undermining your meltdowns?
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
Some people don't like Robert and would amuse themselves by taking anonymous digs at him
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
These people are retarded
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
Except for ones doing it ironically
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
Where would we be without the hat meltdown?
BrianL - November 2, 2009
Here, having a slightly different subthread
Jeff Sullivan - November 2, 2009
?
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/users/Jeff
Robert - November 2, 2009
It's not anonymous now is it?
The Typical Idiot Fan - November 2, 2009
I just want to see the fabled red post background once
OlSalty - November 2, 2009
Screenshots exist
Poochie - November 2, 2009
So does Photoshop
OlSalty - November 2, 2009
House
People don’t change!
/House
The Typical Idiot Fan - November 2, 2009
Ahem
Graham MacAree - November 2, 2009
At least this pony is SFW unless you work for SBN
OlSalty - November 2, 2009
I assume this means video embedding will be re enabled
Poochie - November 2, 2009
Finally, no more shitty .gifs
seattlebruin - November 2, 2009
In the comments?
I doubt it.
Scruffy Lefty - November 2, 2009
Why would you assume that? I see no reason to...
.Taylor - November 2, 2009
As long as the videos are on infinite loop and have no sound I'm fine with it
OlSalty - November 2, 2009
It would be even better if I didn't have to press play.
Robert - November 2, 2009
=)
CapSea - November 2, 2009
I remember that fellow!
katal - November 2, 2009
And then SBN enslaved us all
Slurvey - November 2, 2009
I'm starting a facebook group to bring back old (current) SBN
Matthew - November 2, 2009
So if 1,000,000 people join it'll change back?
Mariner John - November 2, 2009
No that group is If 1,000,000 people join Robert will set his balls on fire,
Slurvey - November 2, 2009
No.
Robert - November 2, 2009
It'd make for a good story.
Mariner John - November 2, 2009
Explain.
Robert - November 2, 2009
Someone lighting their balls on fire always has the potential to be a good story.
Mariner John - November 3, 2009
It's the aftermath that would be considerably hilarious.
CapSea - November 3, 2009
I don't like it and think it's stupid
Corco - November 2, 2009
I was never attached to this layout anyway.
ThundaPC - November 2, 2009
Actual feedback
Overall cleaner, and easier on the eye. But…
For the devs:
- mobile site does not work, just returns a blank screen despite taking about 10s to load (G1 browser)
using IE6 at work (yuk)….
- initial impression is that front page takes a little longer to load, article pages load slightly quicker
- standings table on LHS wraps
- text size of post titles feels bigger (either it’s increased or just looks it relative to the rest of the page). It would fit together with the articles if it was slightly reduced, I feel.
- font of the strapline feels at odds with the rest of the page
- the text at the foot of an article on the front page referencing recs and share "50 comments, 50 new | 0 recs | Share " overlaps.
- multiple line breaks in my comments don’t appear in the post (well, they didn’t in the preview I just did… I’m about to insert six carriage returns before my feedback to Jeff… and they don’t appear. Not great for using paragraphs in comments.
For Jeff:
- on the references section, this bit:
“How to Post Pics and Links
-———-”wraps awkwardly. Missing a line break? Maybe it’s just me. This isn’t a new thing, it’s bugged me for ages I just never got round to mentioning it. The one after “The tRA post” isn’t affected.
MarkE - November 3, 2009
Testing html line breaks
Section 1
Section 2
> Well, that works just fine!
MarkE - November 3, 2009
The new comment box is hard to read now.
Robert - November 3, 2009
IE 6 should be removed from existence.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Don't disagree for one moment
Blame my employer
MarkE - November 3, 2009
Our main client only runs IE 6
Its a terrible experience on our end.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Some of our application vendors are still developing web front-ends for IE 6 and refuse to go to Firefox or Chrome.
At this point I’d settle for them developing for IE 8.
BrianL - November 3, 2009
Jeeeeeesus
5% of LL usage through IE6.
Almost half coming through Firefox though – cool!
MarkE - November 3, 2009
I'm guessing those 5% are all work browsers
pdb - November 3, 2009
Wow... I am in the 0.2% using Chrome!
seattlesundevil - November 3, 2009
I'm with ya, brother.
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
I use that exclusively here at work
I use FF at home, but Chrome loads quicker and there is less temptation to add a ton of extensions to Chrome
tootthekazoo - November 3, 2009
Chrome is by far my favorite browser.
lailaihei - November 3, 2009
People need to upgrade to Generic Crawler 1.X
Mariner John - November 3, 2009
Currently, the first 10 of "who's on the site," exactly one is from Washington
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
I'm guessing there's something wrong with the Firefox versioning?
I doubt 47.4% are still stuck on 1.X.
ralphie81 - November 3, 2009
In addition
The rss feeds seem to have stopped working. I’ve cross-checked that the urls I’m using haven’t changed and they don’t appear to have…
MarkE - November 3, 2009
RSS is still working for me
88fingerslukee - November 3, 2009
Oh, comment made at 4am.
Never mind.
88fingerslukee - November 3, 2009
Strange, mine isn't
User-end issue, no-doubt.
Thanks!
MarkE - November 4, 2009
Butt-Ass Ugly
I really think the font is too big and clunky. It looks like it was formatted by after market software to make it easier to read for the vision impaired.
I can’t imagine that it will be even remotely legible on a mobile device. I’ll probably have to rely on RSS feeds, if they are working.
Ike Clanton - November 3, 2009
Having come back to it a number of times already today
It’s not so bad after a couple of repeat visits – as with many things once you get over the initial shock of change it’s fairly manageable.
It’s more plain and simple, and I’m all for that. The font size is the only real bugbear, the other bits just teething I think.
MarkE - November 3, 2009
What's with the default icons?
Did the commies win while I was sleeping?
JY - November 3, 2009
FireFox with AdBlock
Can anyone else confirm if Adblock enabled causes the LL-icon to actually cover up the thread’s subject line?
ThundaPC - November 3, 2009
Confirmed on FF running OS X
I’ll check my Windows machine when I get to work.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Confirmed on FF running Vista SP2
pmc47 - November 3, 2009
It should also be noted
that the LL-icon also covers up the first couple lines of text of the post, not just the subject line.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Aaaaaaaand fixed!
Looks much better now.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Yeps
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
But I do like the font/layout/minor style tweaks otherwise
pdb - November 3, 2009
I like it fine. I don't care either way really.
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
What the shits?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
There's so much white
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Blue Jays?
EnglishMariner - November 3, 2009
It does seem to load comments a bit quicker but I haven't tried any .gif intensive threads yet.
Main page seems to take slightly longer though.
EnglishMariner - November 3, 2009
Titles need to be smaller.
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
And a better font.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
I really dislike the new title font.
Llewdor - November 3, 2009
Also, does " Our Center Fielder Is Better And/Or More Attractive In A Sexual Way Than Yours"
really need to sit in its own 200 pixel deep block of blue?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
3-7 hours ago that space was filled with an advert.
MarkE - November 3, 2009
I'm blind! Haven't seen this much white since the farmer's market closed for the season.
sirbrianwilson - November 3, 2009
I haven't seen this much white in...oh wait I live in Portland
but yeah, there’s a lot of extraneous white/grey space.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Oh gross
Robert - November 3, 2009
Benchmarks ahoy!
(All tests performed on my work network (Old, kinda slow, XP SP2, FF 3.5.4):
Yesterday, to load main page: ~4 seconds
Today, to load main page: ~3.5 seconds
(A decent improvement)
Yesterday, to load this thread with 1229 posts: ~19.5 seconds
Today, loading the same thread: ~17 seconds
(Not a bad gain but I would be interested to see if further tweaking would result in bigger improvements – this is a pretty typical big thread, with some gifs and lots of comments)
Yesterday, to load this here thread about site improvements: ~4 seconds
Today: ~4 seconds
(It’s still a smallish thread so I wouldn’t have expected significant improvements here)
I didn’t think to do these tests yesterday on my home machine so I don’t know if the speed gains are more significant on a more up-to-date network infrastructure but there do seem to have been some improvements made so good on ya SBN, now maybe darken up some of this white space a tad?
pdb - November 3, 2009
My understanding is that this is only the first step in a series of measures to improve load time
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Yeah, I'm not complaining at all, just noting observations
Most of what I do at work these days is performance benchmarking so it was pretty easy to do that here too.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Hopefully the devs weren't too scared off the first time we did this to come back
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
I've really tried to refrain from dropping N-bombs in this thread but, much like giffin, it ain't easy
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Giffing could not be simpler
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Agree to disagree
Robert - November 3, 2009
I literally shit out decent .gifs
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Sounds like a serious medical condition that I shouldn't make light of.
Robert - November 3, 2009
I'm not paying 20 bucks for that program and 300 more for a computer that can run a screen recorder and mlbtv st the same time
Poochie - November 3, 2009
On the scale of visible changes these were all pretty damned minor
pdb - November 3, 2009
thanks for the benchmarking data
We’re seeing similar load time improvements, but this is definitely only a first step.
Trei Brundrett - November 3, 2009
Fucking hideous layout.
Looks like a god damn blogspot website.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Thanks for your constructive input!
pdb - November 3, 2009
And now for my non initial reaction comment.
White needs to be toned down like you said below and the headline font I preferred when it was centered
Other then that I see speed improvements all over the place in Safari especially in the manage blog section.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
It is really, really bright
like way too bright
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
The white should be more off-white or light beige
pdb - November 3, 2009
The blue we had before was just fine
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
I'm fine with the sorta-blue border
it’s just that with the white background of the text body the overall effect is translucence; the site has no depth, no visual breaks to delineate meaningless border from important stuff.
pdb - November 3, 2009
I look away from the computer screen and still see lots of white! Ahh
kentroyals5 - November 3, 2009
Try moving away from Kent then
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
You haven't been to Kent recently, have you?
ralphie81 - November 3, 2009
Soon you will be able to swim to it.
Robert - November 3, 2009
I'll take a boat to work
tootthekazoo - November 3, 2009
Yeah that one confused me a bunch
I’ve been working in Kent for nearly a year, and it is not too white around here
tootthekazoo - November 3, 2009
Really??
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
Kent strikes me as a very white place
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
God, that joke was so great if I had researched my geography better =(
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
You might want to grab something other than early 90s era Almost Live videos.
BrianL - November 3, 2009
I haven't lived in Washington since 2003
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
It wasn't all that white in the 80's either.
Sec 108 - November 3, 2009
Yeah I don't understand where Kent being "white" comes from
But, this is not the thread to go into that. I’ll just chalk it up to sb being a fool
tootthekazoo - November 3, 2009
This knife in my back really hurts
any ideas how it got there?
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
You probably tripped and fell on it, fool
tootthekazoo - November 3, 2009
You're thinking of Enumclaw.
ralphie81 - November 3, 2009
That would be deming WA.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Kent is very... ethnic
Except for a few neighborhoods of the east hill, but that is mostly unincorporated I think
tootthekazoo - November 3, 2009
Ethnic is correct. It gets less ethnic as you head north and/or east but the heart of Kent is very diverse.
Mariner John - November 3, 2009
I'm used to it already
Dewey N - November 3, 2009
Going to test this out.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Phew
OlSalty - November 3, 2009
Holy moly that loaded fast for me.
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
It's still terrible under chrome
Robert - November 3, 2009
Seems to be working well for me.
BrianL - November 3, 2009
The bar above the article is still totally pointless with adblock enabled
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
I'm guessing they don't design around adblock though
I’ve learned to live with big blocks of meaningless space in several sites – much better than ads.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Yes but there's random tiny off-centred text in it which makes no sense
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
It's not the most aesthetically pleasing thing in the world, sure
but part of that is the length of the text, too.
pdb - November 3, 2009
I can log in, scroll through comments, reply and rec from work now so I love it.
Aaron Campeau - November 3, 2009
Booooo.
Eyebrows - November 3, 2009 via mobile
Excellent!
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
So can someone explain why this was necessary?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
The developers at SBN had nothing to do?
Sec 108 - November 3, 2009
Maybe people were complaining text was too small?
So they made all the titles giant.
Mariner John - November 3, 2009
Fuck those people
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Tweaking the back end no doubt exposed some things they wanted to alter on the front end
pdb - November 3, 2009
I don't get what was wrong with having centered post titles
OlSalty - November 3, 2009
I don't get what's so bad about left aligned titles
That, to me, falls under “you’ll get used to it”. We all hated SBN 2.0 when it came out and then six weeks later it was just the way it was, this is much the same.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Sure but just fucking with things for no reason is worse than complaining about things changing
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Just because the reason isn't obvious or stated doesn't mean there wasn't a reason
I’d be really interested to hear why SBN made these UI tweaks – none of them really bother me that much, on the scale of things, except the whiteness issue, but still.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Right, so they should give me the reason or I'll assume it was for some stupid reason
I still remember them trying to push the narrow view on us on the basis of readability studies
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Improving readability and pushing text higher above the fold, among other things
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Left align moves text around?
That’s a new one
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Don't be such a lil bitch
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Why?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Because these changes are minor and this layout is still being worked on
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Maybe they shouldn't drop an unfinished product on us then
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
You can't really finish a product until you test it out on the network
Beta tests only tell you so much.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Therefore they need feedback
It’s worse than it was yesterday, the things that made it worse are easily fixed, and so I’ll complain
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
And that feedback is much easier to act on in small increments than all at once.
pdb - November 3, 2009
You can provide feedback without being a lil bitch
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
I might as well annoy everyone else if something annoys me
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
That is the textbook definition of lil bitch
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
I'm still not seeing any real reason to be less irritable about this
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
It was justified when we first switched from Scoop because what they tried to do was terrible
But this is just so damn minor. Things will still change, and the things that don’t change you’ll get used to.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Sure
Hence me not going around being Captain Stabby about it
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
because constructive criticism might actually help them change things in a way you'd prefer?
pdb - November 3, 2009
That doesn't appear to be how it worked last time!
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
We got the wide layout
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
And turning off avatars
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Those were significant changes
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
More difficult changes too, I'd imagine
They could fix all of the visual problems here in about 12 seconds.
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Given the internal feedback, I would be...surprised if the headlines stay as is
Not sure they’ll ever be centered, but the font should be different.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
I don't trust the SBN devs at all on readability
They’re magical fucking wizards when it comes to the internal stuff and I happily bow to them in that regard, but after narrowviewgate… why exactly should we assume that any changes will be for the better?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Because we got wide view?
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Right, but their initial choice was in crazypantsland
How loudly did you have to shout before we got wideview?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
In their defense very few major websites have a wide view
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
I think it doesn't work because of how long the content/comments are
Most major websites aren’t of such varying lengths up/down as a blog would be
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
I agree with you
I just understand where they were coming from, and why they might’ve thought it was as good idea prior to implementation.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
How else can I put this
It feels like they have wonderful ideas in theory but there’s a disconnect between the devs and people who actually use the blogs.
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
And that's why they change things based on feedback
At the end of the day, the devs aren’t bloggers, and they just have to test their systems out on us as they develop.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Here's some more feedback
the horizontal edge of subthreads just hangs there in mid-white space.
It looks weird.
Matthew - November 3, 2009
They should stick some .gifs in there
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Really weird
tootthekazoo - November 3, 2009
And thus my belief that if they change something everything is going to be much better behind the scenes but the front end is going to go to hell until they get feedback
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
we read your comments
we act on the feedback
Trei Brundrett - November 3, 2009
So what's the process behind how this all works
Does it get QA’d, looked over before it goes out?
Basically, is this layout something that the devs agreed was good in the first place?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
process
mock-up
internal review
dev
iterate
QA
blogger review #1
blogger review #2
more QA
release
listen to community
iterate
QA
release
Trei Brundrett - November 3, 2009
What did the mock-up look like?
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
I love the use of "above the fold" in a computer monitor context
the last time I tried to fold my monitor it broke and it was quite the mess.
pdb - November 3, 2009
"Above the bottom" sounds retarded
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
and mildly dirty
pdb - November 3, 2009
and like you may have missed the target
Sec 108 - November 3, 2009
You know what else would add more text above the fold?
Not having a five story tall title
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Bitch more
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
This is one of those comments where a comma would change everything
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Ok!
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
It's doing that thing where hitting reply takes you back to the article again.
Aaron Campeau - November 3, 2009
Can we centre titles again?
I hate left align
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
As do I.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
It's not like it ruins the site or anything but it makes it look unprofessional, imo
OlSalty - November 3, 2009
The titles and formatting make the site look very amateurish
Robert - November 3, 2009
This was my initial thought as well.
Goose - November 3, 2009
The font of the article titles looks as though a child with a pen got into the site
This child also has clearly been told to always start a sentence next to the line denoting the margin.
Also, stars? C’mon SBN, give us a little guy with a cowlick.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 3, 2009
Fonts are really, really hard to settle on
For everyone that likes a clean, businesslike font, there’s five people that like Comic Sans and can’t figure out why the font isn’t more stylized
pdb - November 3, 2009
That little guy is sexy
Poochie - November 3, 2009
The layout shows potential because it makes better use of the screen area, but I hate all the white and it looks like a blogspot site
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Still kicks the shit out of SBN 1.0
Poochie - November 3, 2009
That's my issue.. Looks a lot like lookoutlanding.blogspot.com
seattlesundevil - November 3, 2009
leone4third.blogspot.com
Poochie - November 3, 2009
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
From what I can tell this is the first step towards a larger re-design
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Don't ask me about all this because I don't know
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
From what I can tell they're trying to make us all stupider
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Where can I apply to be in the SBN 3.0 beta program.
Robert - November 3, 2009
I hope HH, VEB, or BCB is selected as the test site!
Poochie - November 3, 2009
I hope the site picture can be an animated gif
pdb - November 3, 2009
LOLcat Jeff would be preferred.
Mariner John - November 3, 2009
How are you going to animate disappointed Sexson?
Kirk - November 3, 2009 via mobile
Teardrops
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Scrappy poking his head out from behind the gatorade cooler.
Eyebrows - November 3, 2009 via mobile
Fucking YES
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
More bells and whistles?
Dewey N - November 3, 2009
Maybe they will give us a box on our profiles that indicate our political alignment
Poochie - November 3, 2009
If they gave me that along with a space to put down my sexual preference and religious orientation I think SBN would have a real Facebook killer on its hands/
Robert - November 3, 2009
Not until they let me link up with my family members.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 3, 2009
I would love for my family member to read all my past comments!
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Jesus no.
EnglishMariner - November 3, 2009
Kazoos
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
that would be awesome
pdb - November 3, 2009
And I thought we had EVERYTHING
Dewey N - November 3, 2009
How much do we have to pay for these upgrades?
Dewey N - November 3, 2009
I bet we are grandfathered in at our original subscription fee plus 10,000 comment discount rate
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Double spacing in comments should be fixed soon
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Do you have any idea if the problem of a thread hitting the right wall and no longer being threaded will be fixed?
Robert - November 3, 2009
Nope!
You could submit a report.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
This is obviously the product of research showing that brighter colors make people happy.
Thus more people will rec each other, resulting in huge rec-flag discrepancies and subsequent mass inflation.
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
So some actual feedback rather than just my happiness at being able to engage in employer time-theft:
I think I understand the direction in which the devs are trying to go with this, and I approve of said direction, but the layout and style definitely need some work. The ad bar, for example, looks all slick and high-res, which makes the header, sidebar and overall look and feel seem amateurish in comparison.
There is tons and tons of wasted space on either side. Tons of it. It’s really annoying.
And the above-mentioned reply-routing-to-top-of-post bug.
Aaron Campeau - November 3, 2009
I don't have that reply bug
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
I don't either.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Nope
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
I've had it rarely before and refresh works fine
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Maybe only for widescreen monitors?
It looks like it’s formatted well to a 4:3 screen
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
Using widscreen and nope
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Apparently this is only a problem at work.
Aaron Campeau - November 3, 2009
Lots of concerns being raised internally about the headline font and centering
I wouldn’t assume that things are stuck this way.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
I can't find a site title anywhere. It appears Lookout Landing is now "Our Center Fielder Is Better And/Or More Attractive In A Sexual Way Than Yours"
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
Also a common complaint
that the network sites have lost their individuality.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
That happened with SBN 2.0 though
this just reinforced that change.
pdb - November 3, 2009
I remember the good ol days when you could delete the link to HH
Poochie - November 3, 2009
*alter
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Oh right
Poochie - November 3, 2009
I'm hoping for random word placement of headlines and such
One word left justified, one word three lines down and all the way to the right, another word halfway down the page in the middle of the column, etc.
pdb - November 3, 2009
One in wingdings
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
now you're talkin'
pdb - November 3, 2009
Everything appears to be in English and the Z button still works.
I’m good.
Teej - November 3, 2009
needs more rageohol
pdb - November 3, 2009
My bad.
OK, the main headline font looks like it’s kerned a little too tightly. Also, now more than ever, the name of the blog is completely lost.
Teej - November 3, 2009
I thought this was Lookout Landing
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
That's the spirit!
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
So for whatever reason a lot of the other SBN sites look a lot better than LL.
Aaron Campeau - November 3, 2009
I think it's down to color scheme
LL’s colors blend in too easily with the acres of sidebar space that are very light, and with the white main column. Look at Red Reporter, for instance, and see how the red/black really stands out against those light backgrounds, especially the header. LL’s other colors are too complementary to work well with the template.
pdb - November 3, 2009
As it happens
Red Reporter was the screenshot I looked at before the new layout rolled out. So you can understand why I thought this looked sharper than it actually does.
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Black is used far too infrequently in website designs
Not that pages should be all black, but judicious use of dark colors really helps to delineate the main stuff from the sidebars.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Which is seriously missing here now.
Matthew - November 3, 2009
My feedback:
It’s not awful, but it’s worse than it was yesterday. It looks a lot less professional and much more like some sort of wordpress knock off.
And dear god do something with the title bar. It’s atrocious. I don’t understand how that ever got past a designer.
Matthew - November 3, 2009
I'm guessing there were no designers involved
and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way, just that I’m guessing the SBN folks aren’t web designers by trade, but have learned as they go.
pdb - November 3, 2009
That's retarded.
Hey SBN, if you haven’t already, hire a designer!
They work cheap, believe me.
Matthew - November 3, 2009
fwiw, this is not true
Trei Brundrett - November 3, 2009
Fair enough, I was just guessing
apologies.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Despite the larger text I find it harder to read
Corco - November 3, 2009
It does appear that the header section is more cluttered
pdb - November 3, 2009
In fairness there is nothing they could change to make me happy
they could make the background a giant American flag and require the purchase of a Ford Taurus before receiving recs and I would still hate it
Corco - November 3, 2009
Needs more BeDazzler.
msb - November 3, 2009
thanks for the big long feedback thread LL
we do listen. and we do respond.
we even keep listening until we find threads like this one:
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/11/7/656375/take-5-seconds-and-help-da#10100493
Trei Brundrett - November 3, 2009
Love the speed increase in safari.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Hey thanks for opening the wound.
Sec 108 - November 3, 2009
That thread is amazing
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
That thread now opens amazingly fast.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
For me too. I am happy.
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
Ain't we stinkers?
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
Look at the memory on you
Jeff Sullivan - November 3, 2009
Maybe he just searched for Trei
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
I'm famous!
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Don't take my hate for SBN 1.0 too personally
Poochie - November 3, 2009
That thread brings up happy memories of trolling Daily Kos.
redwolf75 - November 3, 2009
Hey now, that thread is one of our finer moments.
Goose - November 3, 2009
Well that was a fun few hours.
Eyeball Kid - November 3, 2009
?
few hours?
redwolf75 - November 4, 2009
It took me that long to read it.
Eyeball Kid - November 4, 2009
Can we get something where the mods can choose what colors go around the borders?
Like pdb pointed out above, Reds Reporter looks really sharp because of their color scheme, but our tends to blend into the white and just make it look extra bright.
Also, the headline thing is really bad.
It would be nice to get the site name somewhere in the top bar – maybe the site name in bigger letters and the tagline below it as is?
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
This thing just cured my Seasonal Affective Disorder, people pay a lot of money for that.
Kermit. - November 3, 2009
I get the sense that if we used the "authorized" site picture the name thing wouldn't be an issue
Most SBN blogs have the site name prominent in the pic. You have to look for it in the Sexson one.
pdb - November 3, 2009
How dare you besmirch the logo!
Eyebrows - November 3, 2009 via mobile
???
Faux - November 3, 2009
How dare you
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
What?
This is a huge improvement and I vote it be used immediately.
Eyebrows - November 3, 2009 via mobile
You're bonkers
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
You just can't appreciate true artistic genius.
Eyebrows - November 3, 2009 via mobile
That took me 30 seconds and the site made me less smart.
Faux - November 3, 2009
I would if I saw true artistic genius.
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
Needs more Twilight.
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
Everything needs more Twilight
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
That period of time between full daylight and dark could use a catchy name
pdb - November 3, 2009
Twilight
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
nah, that one's been taken by that vampire thing
Near Dark? Nope, vampires again. DAMMIT
pdb - November 3, 2009
I like Crepuscular
Scrupio - November 3, 2009
....
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
STOP WITH THE FUCKING TWILIGHT JESUS CHRIST
Robert - November 3, 2009
The bling on Richie really is what makes this wonderful
Robert Lintott - November 4, 2009
FEEDBACK:
The new flagging box looks bad. It’s way too tall, the text wraps awkwardly and it comes pre-sized with a horizontal scroll bar. Use width better and restrict vertical size, it’s like you have the width and height swapped in the JS.
Visual:
Matthew - November 3, 2009
THIS IS A FUCKING TRAVESTY
Graham MacAree - November 3, 2009
Oh geez, that's bad.
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
pdb did need to be flagged for that ridiculous comment.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 3, 2009
I didn't advocate using said image, I just implied that's where the big blog title is located
pdb - November 3, 2009
Here I thought I was the only one that used the flagging box on SBNation.
44FAN - November 3, 2009
Any idea if they changed the ban box in the same crappy way?
Robert - November 3, 2009
testing
<img src=“”http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/TheSayHuhKid/silvaburgerfelixmoney.jpg?t=1257279199"width=250/>"/>
Robert - November 3, 2009
testing
Robert - November 3, 2009
Dear God.
royalcurve - November 3, 2009
Mine is more frightening.
Faux - November 3, 2009
RECTANGLE'D
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
Or for the purists, TO THE RECTANGLE
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
CENTER THE TITLES ASSHOLES
JamMasterJesus - November 3, 2009
The best way to get things to happen is to call the developers, who are hanging out here checking this thread, names.
pdb - November 3, 2009
I more thought he was making fun of the rest of us.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 3, 2009
Bingo.
JamMasterJesus - November 3, 2009
snark retracted.
pdb - November 3, 2009
I expected more of it.
That or total agreement
JamMasterJesus - November 3, 2009
Reading this thread, I have noticed when a group of new comments are added
all at once the pages jiggles up and down for a second or two and then settles down. This could be really hard on the eyes in a really active gameday thread.
44FAN - November 3, 2009
This happened before.
Mariner John - November 3, 2009
Am I the only one who is showing everything as plain text pushed up against the right hand side?
It looks like a page Google auto-formatted for a really old cell phone.
Aaron Campeau - November 3, 2009
When do we get live updating recs
and the ability to easily see who rec’d what
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Gotta wait until Robert gets his own SBN blog and campaigns for it
seattlebruin - November 3, 2009
If they wanna keep up with Facebook they better git'r'done
If they wanna surpass FB they need a dislike button
Poochie - November 3, 2009
Alsio
links insigs are annoying and I wouldn’t mind seeing go awayPoochie - November 3, 2009
Sigs themselves need to go away
Nobody else seems to agree though
Matthew - November 3, 2009
Go to VEB and check out everyone's five line high sig
Links in sigs are the worst because I always accidentally click on them in a large thread and lose my place. PLUS they have yet to take me anywhere worthwhile
Poochie - November 3, 2009
They irritate me to no end
and anything more than 3 lines big is strictly not allowed.
Matthew - November 3, 2009
I will concede that some shorter sigs are ok
but I’d be more than willing to sacrifice them
Poochie - November 3, 2009
McC also.
Kirsten Schlewitz - November 3, 2009
The default avatar
gives the blog a real communist feel.
apunetid - November 3, 2009
I agree, it's one of the few good things about the change.
lailaihei - November 3, 2009
The star reminds me of that tattoo that douchey skateboarders always seem to get.
Also, it has replaced the previous Lookout Landing graphic in my bookmark toolbar (FF). Not cool.
csiems - November 3, 2009
Ditto on the latter.
Matthew - November 3, 2009
Mine is still the same but does anybody know how to replace a favicon?
One of mine randomly got switched to a red sox logo and I would rather like to replace it.
Robert - November 3, 2009
BMO Forum? Because mine did that
And changing would be great.
Robert Lintott - November 4, 2009
Yeah
Robert - November 4, 2009
Anyone have a copy of the old one?
I kind of want to finally get an avatar, but nothing special. Just the old one.
Robert Lintott - November 4, 2009
It seems like the aethestic change is just for the sake of change, with no real rhyme or reason for it.
It’s not good or bad, just different.
lailaihei - November 3, 2009
Uggh.
This just reminds me of a terrible Wordpress template.
Manzanillos Cup - November 3, 2009
After staring at Red Reporter some more I have a suggestion for Trei et al
maybe make the hyperlinked text on LL the same dark-blue color as the header and the footer? That lightish green color just gets washed out, and since I see all the sites have the greyish blue background for the sidebar content, the answer may lie in darkening the text that sits on those sidebars.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Side-to-side scrolling? Really?
How 1999…
PositivePaul - November 3, 2009
I don't have that issue on my 20 inch monitor.
pdb - November 3, 2009
I had to click "narrow" for it not to happen...
PositivePaul - November 3, 2009
Ok I decided the reason I dislike this lay out that it is too similar to USSM
Poochie - November 3, 2009
It looks more like a generic blog.
It’s fine, but blogs themselves are naturally unattractive. As others said, it looks more like wordpress/blogspot.
CapSea - November 3, 2009
Ultimately, it comes down to a lack of contrast.
It’s amazing the difference a border or shading can make. The white itself is not the criminal, it’s the lack of contrast around it. Also, if I’m not mistaken, the green navigation bar used to have shading to make it pop out more. As it stands now, the whole thing just looks flat and uninspired. And the giant blue header (with or without an ad in it) isn’t helping.
ralphie81 - November 3, 2009
Bingo.
Contrast is everything. The grey margins are the culprit. If those could be dark blue, we have a very good looking site again. The same fate befalls Addicted To Quack, unfortunately.
qrsouther - November 3, 2009
Did something just happen to the spacing between comments and their signature?
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Why is my signature so close to my comment?
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
It happens when there's no comment body text
it still spaces fine when there’s text in the body of the comment.
pdb - November 3, 2009
I noticed that but it should still space out when there isn't a body.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Like it used to.
Scruffy Lefty - November 3, 2009
Ohhhh fancy new layout.
Slow Country - November 3, 2009
I reloaded a couple times because I thought the formatting hadn't loaded right. Way, way too much white and whitish colors.
joof - November 3, 2009
Also, whats with all the sharp angles? It looks like it was made for a highschool frontpage project.
joof - November 3, 2009
So yea,
Fix the Title font and center it and I’m good to go.
ThundaPC - November 3, 2009
Actually
The Left alignment is starting to grow on me. The title font is the only issue I have.
ThundaPC - November 3, 2009
Okay this is kinda strange
At work, I run FF on XP SP2, with adblock. The “better and/or more attractive” text shows up at the top of the header bar, over a big blue swath which presumably contains an ad. At home, I run FF on Snow Leopard, also with adblock, and that text appears at the bottom of the header bar. This is not a problem, it’s just an odd thing I noticed.
pdb - November 3, 2009
Am I the only one that thinks the logo looks like a communist flag?
Slurvey - November 3, 2009
Nah.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/11/2/1111888/heads-up#23813293
Teej - November 3, 2009
Let the moderators tremble, bloggers of the world unite!
Zygomorphic - November 3, 2009
Site loading times:
At home on the latest Firefox build (which I think is 3.5.3), I’m not really noticing any differences in loading times.
However, here at work on a crappier network and IE 8.0.6 the loading times are faster. Not a lot, but it is noticeable.
Goose - November 4, 2009
Ok, this morning it is quite a bit faster here at home as well.
And my FF version is apparently 3.5.4.
Also, the LL icon is back, sweet.
Goose - November 4, 2009
The Mariners dropped teal 13 years ago, it makes sense LL would eventually do the same.
Poochie - November 4, 2009
I thought something looked different this morning.
Teej - November 4, 2009
I like this better.
Goose - November 4, 2009
Color scheme looks better!
There could still be a bit more definition around the columns, but I like the blue better.
pdb - November 4, 2009
Agreed. Much easier to read today.
Sec 108 - November 4, 2009
I like the redesign overall
Flush-left headlines are much more professional, but I agree that the font size and style are distracting. Moving away from block boldface is good but the scrunched-tall-helvetica look is fugly.
Spare layouts with lots of white space seem to be the trend.
lemonverbena - November 4, 2009
Indeed
it does.
ralphie81 - November 4, 2009
Terrible.
sirbrianwilson - November 4, 2009
Helpful!
pdb - November 4, 2009
I just had a number symbol turn into the numeral 1 in the message body ...
did that used to happen, or is it a helpful change?
msb - November 4, 2009
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