Personally, I don't see this as being too tough of a call.
For one thing (and the main reason), I think the odds are that, if you offer Beltre arbitration, he's going to decline it. He knows there's a market for him out there, a market that includes Boston and Philadelphia, two big-budget teams with both a need and an understanding of how good he is. With both demand and competition for his services, Beltre's almost certainly going to get a few multi-year offers at a good salary, and some are going to come from better teams in better parks. It wouldn't make sense for him to take a one-year arby deal. It'd be one thing if we were, I dunno, Texas. But Beltre hit .254/.307/.411 in Safeco and .277/.326/.472 on the road during his time as a Mariner. The only reason someone in his situation would accept arby is if he thought he could re-establish some value, and Seattle's just about the worst possible place for Beltre to do that.
The other possibility is that Beltre accepts arbitration. The probability is low, but it's not impossible, so it has to be considered. If Beltre accepts, the team has two choices:
(1) Trade him
(2) Keep him
If Beltre accepts, then he's probably looking at a 2010 salary somewhere around $10-12m. The Mariners could then trade him to someone looking for a 3B, maybe with a little cash, in exchange for some sort of non-elite prospect, negating the whole thing. They don't come out with a draft pick, and they might have to spend a bit, but they do get something back. The only real trouble here is that the M's would have reduced flexibility until Beltre is out the door.
The Mariners could also elect to keep him at that $10-12m and fill a known roster hole. This is the worst possible outcome of the whole thing, but in this case the worst possible outcome nets us a good player at a reasonable cost with no long-term commitment. Beltre projects as at least a 3-win player, and that's a 3-win player with upside, as he's been a 4+ win player four times in eight years since 2002. The problem here is that his $10-12m salary would cut a huge chunk out of our offseason budget, but it would by no means leave us in an unmanageable situation. The FO would still have room to work, and they could always clear a couple million by moving Jose Lopez. So while bringing back Beltre would make things a little more difficult, it would answer a burning question, and it would still leave Zduriencik enough room to upgrade elsewhere.
Offering arbitration to Adrian Beltre has a downside. That's why there's a conversation. It isn't as obvious as offering arbitration to, say, Mike Cameron in 2003. But from where I sit, the downside is neither particularly detrimental nor particularly probable. Erik Bedard? Bad idea. Adrian Beltre? Go for it. He'll probably decline, and even if he doesn't, the consequence just isn't that bad.
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How much is the consensus that Bedard would get in arb?
Edgar for Pres - December 1, 2009
He had a 2.82 ERA in 15 starts last year and he'll barely pitch at all in 2010
Too much.
Jeff Sullivan - December 1, 2009
A fair contract for Bedard would be a small guarantee with incentives
Something like $1.5M base (plus he gets his medical treatment picked up by a team) with frequent, small incentive milestones a la Griffey.
CMC_Stags - December 1, 2009
Yes this is why he would accept arb if we offered it
OlSalty - December 1, 2009
Agreed
I said it would be fair, as in free market fair.
But I have a feeling some team will give him more than that. And really, if the M’s were going to give out that contract, I’d feel better about them giving it to Sheets/Harden as they at least have a chance to start next season.
By the time Bedard was able to contribute, whoever picks him up may be out of their race.
CMC_Stags - December 1, 2009
Erik Bedard was traded for Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, Kam Mikolio, Tony Butler, and George Sherrill
Graham MacAree - December 1, 2009
Thanks for the reminder!
OlSalty - December 1, 2009
I thought that this was reply to a comment with something only superficially related day
Graham MacAree - December 1, 2009
Drat, I was planning on making that exact same comment at some random point.
Because it really pisses me off.
Kermit. - December 1, 2009
He's worth more than that, even with the injury concerns.
Teej - December 1, 2009
Wait, when is he expected to be able to pitch?
Teej - December 1, 2009
Latest injury update was ~Nov. 26, shoulder inflammation and hoping to be ready for Spring Training.
Kermit. - December 1, 2009
They actually used the word hope.
Kermit. - December 1, 2009
Realistically, July.
Matthew - December 1, 2009
So something like 10-20 starts?
Edgar for Pres - December 1, 2009
And coming back from a torn labrum you have no idea if he's even the same pitcher he was
OlSalty - December 1, 2009
I bet he'll still be injury prone.
Matthew - December 1, 2009
Drayer says the M's have offered Beltre arbitration.
Teej - December 1, 2009
Well I am the most surprised I have ever been in my life about anything
Graham MacAree - December 1, 2009
Ray of sunshine, you are.
royalcurve - December 1, 2009
Yay
OlSalty - December 1, 2009
And for those of you wanting Harden, the Cubs declined arbitration.
Sec 108 - December 1, 2009
He's type B, so that doesn't matter one way or the other.
Eyebrows - December 1, 2009 via mobile
Well it does in that he most likely would have accepted making him unavailable to sign.
Sec 108 - December 2, 2009
Yay.
Shannon is explaining that the Mariners got value for AB.
msb - December 1, 2009
I can't believe we didn't offer Guillen arbitration
Poochie - December 1, 2009
As a 5/10 player
Beltre can’t be traded without his consent.
Or is it 10/5?
nathaniel dawson - December 1, 2009
5 years in the league, 10 years with the same team.
That makes sense.
abender20 - December 1, 2009
hmm.
there are commenters at the Times who are upset Beltre was offered arbitration, because no other team will be stupid enough to offer him a contract and so he will come back and we will be stuck with him.
msb - December 2, 2009
Well I am the most surprised I have ever been in my life about anything
Graham MacAree - December 2, 2009
I'm not surprised.
msb - December 2, 2009
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