I'm back. Yay. Stupid Harden.
So Ryan Langerhans was non-tendered today, opening up a 40-man spot and making him a free agent. As a free agent, he's free to negotiate with anyone, including the Mariners, but there's not a lot of playing time around here to be had, making his return a slim possibility. Langerhans is almost 30 years old. If he wants to have any kind of Major League job security, he's going to need to go somewhere that can promise him a little more action. I don't know if he'll find that opportunity, mind you, but the Mariners certainly can't provide it. So.
For those who understand the kind of value Langerhans can provide off the bench, this is a bit of an unfortunate move, but it essentially became a necessary one when Griffey re-signed. With Michael Saunders, Franklin Gutierrez, and Ichiro locked into the starting spots and Bill Hall available as the utility guy, Langerhans was already in a bind, but assuming a 12-man pitching staff, Griffey took away the last possible roster spot. The M's could've opted to cut Hall, of course, but given Hall's additional flexibility, handedness, potential to rebound, and the fact that dropping Langerhans is free, it wasn't a difficult decision. Langerhans ended up a neat player on the wrong team.
While there is obviously a number of different factors in play here, it is kind of sad to know that Langerhans was non-tendered by the one organization most likely to see him for all of his value. This front office - a front office that's become synonymous with run prevention - got him for a reason, and even with everything else, it can't be a good sign that even they couldn't find him a role. But then, Langerhans has received significant big league playing time in each of the last five seasons, so it's not like he won't find a job. This is just one of those depressing things that's going to make him anxious every night when he goes to bed until he gets a contract.
Realistically, losing Ryan Langerhans barely hurts us, as he's not a great player. It's always been more about what Langerhans represents than who he is specifically. That said, the day of his acquisition went to show how far this organization has come in such a short time, so his non-tender is most definitely a bittersweet occasion. For all of his faults, most of us liked Ryan Langerhans, and are sad to see him go. But if nothing else, it was because of Ryan that I found myself one August night standing in the middle of a bar hugging like five other dudes, and I will always cherish that memory. Best of luck to you going forward, Ryan. Your walkoffs were awesome. Yours will forever be the jersey I most wanted to have but couldn't bring myself to buy.
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Welcome back.
royalcurve - December 12, 2009
Oh god Ryan's gone?
Goose - December 12, 2009
Should he expect a call from Dayton Moore?
Fin - December 12, 2009
No, too good
Jeff Sullivan - December 12, 2009
I'm sure Dayton Moore can find a way to give him 2/10
njd.aitken - December 12, 2009
Maybe he could take over for Billy Butler at first.
I mean, if he’s way out of position he might just suck enough for Kansas City.
Johnny Slick - December 13, 2009
Dayton Moore would sign Ryan Langerhans
And then try to trade him for Mike Morse.
ThundaPC - December 13, 2009
I call a foul for piling on!!!
Dayton Moore wouldn’t be that stupid. But I wouldn’t put it past him to sign Langerhans, then trade him straight up for Aaron Rowand.
Steve Nelson - December 13, 2009
Ryan Church ahoy!
Dewey N - December 12, 2009
Being at that game against Tampa Bay.
I will miss him. Maybe not great but that walkoff gave him a place in my baseball heart.
Hopefulmsfan - December 12, 2009
That was one of the best games I've ever seen in the flesh.
I’ll be remembering him for awhile. This move will make me hate Griffey this season.
MT Olson - December 13, 2009
Okay, so I feel this is the type of move that makes me question a front office.
The acquisition of Ryan Langerhans was brilliant. I felt that it was one of the many indications that the Mariners valued important things, like above average defense, OBP, flexibility, left-handed hitting, e.t.c.
For me, bringing Griffey back was, in many ways, the complete opposite of that. But I felt that I could sorta rationalize it as long as the Mariners continued to acquire guys like Ryan Langerhans. So, this was sort of the litmus test for me. Would a 40-year old, oft-injured Ken Griffey Jr. with zero defensive value whatsoever push Ryan Langerhans off the 25-man roster?
It’s not like I believe the loss of Langerhans is going to have a huge impact or anything, but I had this faith that the new FO wouldn’t put so much value on clubhouse chemistry, and lean more towards maximizing talent on the roster. Sure, we could replace Langerhans with someone better, but that still means Griffey is getting paid to just sit on a bench. So, yeah, I guess I’m a slightly disappointed.
JLC - December 13, 2009
Realistically I just don't think the M's had much of a choice
They couldn’t force Griffey into retirement, and if he wanted to come back, it would make them look all sorts of awkward to let him go somewhere else.
Jeff Sullivan - December 13, 2009
But from what Griffey's been quoted as saying
The decision was entirely in the hands of the Mariners. Obviously, he wanted to come back, but I don’t think Griffey makes a scene if the Mariners tell him they’re not offering him a contract. I can’t fathom another team offering him a contract – Griffey obviously wouldn’t except a minor league contract – and Griffey loves his family, so the Mariners have a perfect out.
Of course, this is all supposition. But I really don’t feel that Griffey wanted a lot playing time in 2010. I feel that he just wanted to be part of the clubhouse and wanted one last shot at the ring. The problem is that he’s always going to want that, and at some point the Mariners are going to be forced to cut him loose. What happens if the Mariners get close again next year? Another guaranteed spot on the roster for Ken? Griffey has to accept the inevitable at some point, and why that couldn’t be this year as opposed to next year really doesn’t seem evident to me.
I suppose, like most players, Griffey is choosing to have baseball beat him into retirement.
JLC - December 13, 2009
I guess I just don't understand the possible fallout from forcing Griffey to retire.
JLC - December 13, 2009
It's also possible that they deam the value of Griffey,
when you include his impact on the rest of the team, to be greater than Langerhans’ on field value. Remember, they would only be a sub/pinch hitter, so the difference between the two in on field value can only be so much. However a “presence” like Griffey wouldn’t need playing time to have an effect.
vivaelpujols - December 13, 2009
It's...
a really low impact move. The organization clearly gets it in the important respects.
It’d be one thing if keeping Griffey meant there would be no roster spot for an impact player. The team gave a small contract to a guy who will bring casual fans to the ballpark and who everyone loves in the clubhouse. If we were paying Griffey $10 million and guaranteeing him a starting job, this move would be a reason to question the front office. As it is, there’s like half a win’s worth of downside from a roster construction standpoint.
When Zduriencik cripples the team’s flexibility by locking up a roster spot for years on a player with league average upside and below-replacement-level downside (like, say, Jose Vidro), you can start questioning the front office. A cheap one-year deal to bring back the most popular Seattle Mariner of all time in a bench role is striking a balance between maintaining competitiveness and reaching out to casual fans. As long as the sacrifice to the competitiveness is extremely minimal (which it is here), I’m fine with it.
slamcactus - December 13, 2009
It's still stupid and annoying.
Aaron Campeau - December 13, 2009
Maybe...
but only a little bit at most.
slamcactus - December 13, 2009
Not to me!
Aaron Campeau - December 13, 2009
I don't know
We all have our off-season strictly stat hats on right now, but Griffey was a huge reason that team was so fun to watch last year. Statistically, it’s far from the best move we can make, I think Griffey is the only exception where I’m OK with that.
edddgar - December 13, 2009
Other people certainly have different opinions and that's cool
but Griffey was not a huge reason that the team was so fun for me to watch last year, and his being on the team really fucking annoys me.
Aaron Campeau - December 13, 2009
I have to agree with acblue here.
The value that Langerhans would’ve brought to the team on the field would be more than enough to compensate for anything Griffey brings in the clubhouse.
JLProck - December 13, 2009
And I'm not really that big on nostalgia, so Griffey had little to do with me enjoying the team last year.
Most of my joy was derived from Ichiro, Gutierrez, and Branyan, and… would you look at that! They all produced on the field!
JLProck - December 13, 2009
I didn't find Griffey fun at all
Clearly if you did find him fun, bringing him back is no big deal.
Personally, I found Ryan Langerhans fun.
Graham MacAree - December 13, 2009
Watching Griffey be a below average player wasn't very fun for me, either
I get that a lot of people like him, but I would have preferred to have Langerhans around as injury insurance.
It’s not a huge deal but it is the less ideal option.
Gihyou - December 13, 2009
If non tendering Langerhans is the most annoying thing about this offseason.
I think we’re ok.
JAH - December 13, 2009
Just because it could be worse doesn't mean it isn't annoying.
Aaron Campeau - December 13, 2009
That's true.
But this is more along the lines of stubbing ones toe rather than being mauled by a velociraptor
JAH - December 13, 2009
Didn't his agent say that it was the Mariners or bust? (after the signing)
Janic - December 13, 2009
Here's what I worry about.
What happens when Griffey doesn’t want to retire after next year, either? Or the year after that?
How long are we committed to wasting a roster spot on nostalgia?
Jeff Nye - December 13, 2009
I personally don't think this is even possible.
Remember last year when we went after Griffey there was a ton of discussion about how much time he’ll play on the field?
Now, with the return of Griffey, the biggest issue is that he takes up a roster spot. We’re pretty confident that his playing time will be managed accordingly.
I honestly don’t see Griffey playing after 2010.
ThundaPC - December 13, 2009
Maybe the front office will
start scheduling some “Griffey Appreciation Nights” and “Griffey Retirement Parties” toward the end of the season so he gets the hint.
FlaskInSafeco - December 14, 2009
I know a lot of people are going to miss Langerhans and would rather have him over Griffey
but if it’s any consolation, the reason JackZ brought Griffey back was to give himself a challenge. Having one less roster space makes him even more of a tuff guy.
200tang - December 13, 2009
Dude it's cool it's not like hugging other dudes maakes you a fag.
Aaron Campeau - December 13, 2009
Right?
Aaron Campeau - December 13, 2009
It's only gay if there are even numbers
If you can’t pair off, it’s totally hetero. That’s why I always say if you’re going to have a late night pillow fight with your bff, always bring a buddy along.
CapSea - December 13, 2009
This was a surprise.
Strolling around SBN, I found this quote on AA(Mets) under a post similar to the trash heap diary:
I’m not sure whether I’m more surprised that someone thinks the M’s are smart or that I’m pretty sure only last year AA was one of the dumbest, anti-stat blogs in SBN. These might be two sides of the same coin.
Faux - December 13, 2009
I read AA every once in a while because like the Royals, they sometimes post some pretty funny self hating stuff.
Goose - December 13, 2009
One could make a halfway decent outfield out of non-tendered ex-Braves
Kelly Johnson — LF, Langerhans — CF, Ryan Church —RF
#Langerhans needs to be trending on Twitter. Ryan Langerhans Fact: He’s built like Adam Dunn, but hits and fields like Endy Chavez. Langerhans rules.
Matt Klaassen - December 13, 2009
Matt - I know you're really trying to get the #RyanLangerhansFacts Twitter feed to go ....
… but I think you just need to accept it isn’t going to go viral like #JasonKendallFacts did. Now, if you could get Keith Law tweeting it might get some legs …
Steve Nelson - December 13, 2009
I'll miss you Ryan.
Craig Powers - December 13, 2009
I was at both walk-offs
They were awesome. Fair sailing, friend.
appleshampoo - December 13, 2009
Heh
You could pretty easily substitute Gabe Gross’s name for Langerhans’s and write the exact same article.
Brickhaus - December 14, 2009
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