Uh.
I'm going to go ahead and think about this one for a little while.
Good gravy. My hands are shaking in the same way they were back when we trade for Vidro, only this time I think they're excited.
Update: I don't know what this means but Heyman seems to be backtracking just a little bit.
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Update #2: Heyman's words:
The Phillies are in agreement on a three-team trade with the Mariners and Blue Jays to acquire star pitcher Roy Halladay, SI.com has learned.
So, we're involved. We just don't know for sure who we're getting. Probably Cliff Lee, but it's no guarantee.
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Oh lord, OH LORD
Felix followed by Lee? I LOVE YOU Z, I FUCKING LOVE YOU.
OceanBird - December 14, 2009
WHAT THE BLOODY FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
ALMOST AS GOOD AS LOCKER COMING BACK
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
Almost?
This kicks the crap out of that
njd.aitken - December 14, 2009
Not if you're a Husky fan.
Fuzz - December 14, 2009
Listen to this man, for he is wise.
Fin - December 14, 2009
Wowowowow
All is forgiven for missing out on Harden.
njd.aitken - December 14, 2009
Best Seattle Sports Hour Ever?
coreyjro - December 14, 2009
ONE TWO COCKPUNCH!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE GAVE UP
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Yep
I’m not excited yet, until I know what we lost.
appleshampoo - December 14, 2009
gotta be a bunch.
jam0152 - December 14, 2009
Lets wait and see what was given up for Lee
At least Ackley can’t be traded yet as a PTBNL.
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
I wonder if Lopez has gone?
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
SUDDEN-LEE I REGAIN MY HARDEN!!!!
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
Heyman says it's not for sure
Recants previous tweet, nothing in stone yet
ManifestDestiny - December 14, 2009
I'm frightened that this is merely Bedard redux.
I Lick Squirrels - December 14, 2009
Lee seems to be a teensy bit more reliable
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
We wouldn't possibly have to give up as much, Philly is giving up prospects too.
If our involvement was all about clearing salary (Lee) and getting Toronto another two or so prospects.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
That's what I was thinking
I can’t see us giving up a ton in this deal.
njd.aitken - December 14, 2009
Holy crap.
MFAN - December 14, 2009
It would amuse me if all we sent over was Lopez and Rob Johnson.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Also, Cliff Lee is better than Harden so fuck you Texas.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Hrm.
“sorry, quick trigger finger. #mariners definitely the third team. checking now with cliff lee is the pltcher they get.”
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME?
wilsonpdx - December 14, 2009
Yeah, right?
Seems like kind of an important piece of this deal to get wrong…
TheTank123 - December 14, 2009
IF HE'S NOT WHO WE'RE GETTING WHOT HE HELL ARE WE GETTING!?
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Chase Utley!
Big Seahawk Loser - December 14, 2009
Raul Ibanez!
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Cole Hamels!
Fuckmikereilly - December 14, 2009
....
My heart can’t take that
njd.aitken - December 14, 2009
Jamie Moyer!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Watch us get Joe Blanton instead :(
ManifestDestiny - December 14, 2009
Cupcakes!
Fuzz - December 14, 2009
I am scared shitless and giddy all at the same time.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
I'm trying to talk myself down.
Could we have given up Felix? No, Z wouldn’t do that.
What else could Toronto want? Tacoma’s entire starting lineup?
What’s the worst case that we could give up?
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Felix, Ichiro, Guti, Red.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
I find Red the most likely of the above.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Worst we could give up?
Probably all of the non-Ackley farm.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Morrow, Saunders, and Aumont?
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
That's too much
We could have gotten Halladay for that at the deadline
njd.aitken - December 14, 2009
Halman and Aumont?
w00tah - December 14, 2009
J. Ramirez, Aumont, Triunfel
tait644 - December 14, 2009
HOLY BALLS!
That is all
beastwarking - December 14, 2009
Baker speculating that Aumont is a goner.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
I'm speculating that Baker is Canadian
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
How many years is Lee under contract for?
FlaskInSafeco - December 14, 2009
1
Matthew - December 14, 2009
How does this make sense without an extension?
Fuckmikereilly - December 14, 2009
Patience
Matthew - December 14, 2009
Can Cliff Lee teach our hitters plate discipline and raise our team OBP 50 points?
Ok, makes sense then.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Because there are no other decent FA pitchers on the market?
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
It makes sense if we don't give up as much as you might be assuming...
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Thanks. Knowing what I know about this possible trade or possible non-trade
between the Mariners and two other alleged clubs that may involve Cliff Lee, I am skeptical, but cautiously optimistic.
FlaskInSafeco - December 14, 2009
mother of god
The Cliff Lee?
gilmeche55 - December 14, 2009
Nope
This one. Our heating ducts have been fucked the past couple years,
edddgar - December 14, 2009
Well that blows.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Jack Z's two big acquisitions so far this winter are both have World Series rings.
Surely he knows that this is the only way for the Ms to win one as well.
I hear Glaus is still available. And he should act fast and grab Matsui before the deal is final with the Angels.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
I hope this is sarcasm
njd.aitken - December 14, 2009
You need the veteran leadership to win in the postseason.
That’s why the Ms always fail.
I mean, Raul never won with the Mariners, but he goes to the Phillies after they all get their rings, and then he wins with them in 2009.
That’s because they had the experience of being in the postseason pressure.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Watching Glaus for the Cardinals has been nothing short of disappointing
Fuzz - December 14, 2009
I seem to remember you loving Glaus.
Kirk - December 14, 2009
he kicked ass in 2008
Poochie - December 14, 2009
So much for getting anything at work done until there's an update.
Don’t people know we have jobs to do during the day?
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN DURING SCHOOL HOURS
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Because there is a real world outside of Hannah Montana and High School Musical
Fuzz - December 14, 2009
what
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
I don't get it
gregrabble - December 15, 2009
Dave brings up a good point on Twitter: What if we're getting Hamels instead?
I’d also be excited for Hamels.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Dave Cameron now speculating that it may be Hamels rather than Lee.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Hoping more than speculating
ManifestDestiny - December 14, 2009
That would be excellent methinks
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
He is setting me up for disappointment when this isn't the case
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
Hamels was rumored to be available earlier this month
He’d be cheaper than one year of Lee, no?
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Why would he be cheaper
He’s under club control longer, and his salary for next year is less.
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
But he's not as good.
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Actually he projects to be nearly as good
and is younger, i think. But Lee will be valued higher to be sure.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Factoring in service time and where the Mariners are, I think I'd rather have Hamels.
Teej - December 14, 2009
Yup
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Me too
but part of that is just that I love change-ups so much.
marc w - December 14, 2009
And partial mullet
abender20 - December 14, 2009
seems more plausible
no?
gilmeche55 - December 14, 2009
HOLY SHIT
Robert - December 14, 2009
I would build my own Zduriencik fathead for my wall.
I would spend hours gazing into that shiny bald head.
edddgar - December 14, 2009
Phillies will be undestructable if this is the case
Edgar for Pres - December 14, 2009
With Polanco at third? meh.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
We should be getting some more information from Mike Salk in the next minute.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Longest minute ever
beastwarking - December 14, 2009
Yup
I DON’T CARE ABOUT TOMTOM SAT-NAVS OR NON-PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, TELL ME ABOUT THE MARINERS
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Someone please post whatever he says here
No radio available
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
710 seems to be sitting on some meaty info and will reveal it after the break ... Brock saying M's fans will love it!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
I'd prefer it if Salk says M's fans will love it.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
It was actually Salk who said it!
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Thank God.
MFAN - December 14, 2009
I don't have a clue who these guys are I just wish they would END THIS FUCKING ADS!!!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
I'm having a very hard time breathing right now
I DON’T CARE ABOUT TRAFFIC 710ESPN!
BrianL - December 14, 2009
If you were driving while typing you might care just a little bit about traffic.
FlaskInSafeco - December 14, 2009
Better not just be repeating Heyman, then going, OH WAIT NOT DONE YET
Harden vr. 2
OceanBird - December 14, 2009
This is the worst commercial break ever
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
END! END!
BrianL - December 14, 2009
I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT TOUCHDOWN CITY RIGHT NOW
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
I just shit my pants.
If its Hamels I’ll shit harder.
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
MORROW TO TORONTO, TUIASOSOPO TO PHILLY, HAMELS, LEE, UTLEY TO MARINERS
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
thats all?
What about Loafie?
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
Screw you
tait644 - December 14, 2009
I knew I could trust GMZ
CKel - December 14, 2009
I would cry in joy if that happen.
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
Such a dick move
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Well this should be awesome
Nate Dogg - December 14, 2009
Or soul-shattering awful!
BrianL - December 14, 2009
BOOM OR BUST BITCHES
BrianL - December 14, 2009
FUCK YA!
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
HOLY FUCK!
Goose - December 14, 2009
LOUD NOISES!
gilmeche55 - December 14, 2009
If we get either Cliff Lee or Cole Hamels, make sure we send Saunders along so we can sign Holliday.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
I can't remember I was this exited in a good way about the Mariners making a trade.
Jed MC - December 14, 2009
THIS IS FUCKING TENSE
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Churchill says it's Lee
tait644 - December 14, 2009
So, it's Hamels?
MFAN - December 14, 2009
This was going to be my response
CKel - December 14, 2009
A Rec for you, sir...
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Trust his source....
PositivePaul - December 14, 2009
No offense Paul
but I see very little reason to do so
Matthew - December 14, 2009
He's verrrrrrrrry high in the Philly food chain.
PositivePaul - December 14, 2009
He's a cheesesteak?
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
I don't want to be a dick or anything but this trust-in-Churchill campaign is pretty annoying
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Whatever...
PositivePaul - December 14, 2009
He doesn't need a posse
His legitimacy will stand on its own.
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Exactly.
STC…
PositivePaul - December 14, 2009
Suggestive ellipses are also annoying
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Is it more or less annoying than the rip on Jason at every chance campaign?
Sec 108 - December 14, 2009
I think it is fair to call into question the legitimacy of rumors when they come up
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Totally agree because they are rumors and deserve skepticism.
Jason has done a ton for the blogging community though in terms of giving it a legitimate voice through other media much like Dave has. I am just bored with how he gets treated since he is a very good guy.
Sec 108 - December 14, 2009
He is a very good guy but he's also a very good guy with an established history of making things up
Skepticism is very warranted and new readers should be alerted as to that fact.
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
You as always are a voice of reason. I agree with what you are saying here.
Thanks for listening to my two cents.
Sec 108 - December 14, 2009
People do pile on though
That’s unnecessary but also kind of inevitable.
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Only time I've ever enjoyed a pile on was at home plate in 1995.
Sec 108 - December 14, 2009
I can think of a few other possible scenarios
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Wait no I can't
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Bottomless fries at Red Robin?
BrianL - December 14, 2009
I like Jason too. I've known him since the early days of ITP back when me and Dave Clark were his mods.
And I suspect if the people here and USSM did the same thing he did, there’d be some criticism too.
Jason serves a good purpose with how he does things. But it should probably be kept at his place.
Goose - December 14, 2009
He doesn't exactly have a history of being right about these sort of things
So when the rumors are based on something he reports you sort of have to mention it so people don’t get the wrong idea.
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
People used to get upset because he would report rumors as fact.
Now he is pretty careful to say “my source says…” etc. He’s more legit than a lot of the rumor-mongers out there.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
Well his sources are often not really reliable either
That’s the problem.
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Indeed, but sometimes they are legit.
If he has the trade pieces right today I’m pretty sure he was the first to report it.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
Maybe we need to make Prospect Insider a blog-non-gratis around here for a while
kind of like Halos Heaven
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
I'm not saying he's wrong Paul.
I’m just saying we’ve heard that before and it’s been wrong. Without knowing the source myself, there’s just no reason to trust Jason at this time.
Matthew - December 14, 2009
Fine.
I know who his source is and I trust his source. That’s all I’m going to say.
PositivePaul - December 14, 2009
I buy it
Churchill has always defended Gillick tooth and nail and I wouldn’t be surprised if that was partly because he was friends with one of Pat’s underlings. But you gotta understand that saying trust him dot dot dot is not really reassuring.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
The Yen has been doing well against the US Dollar.
Maybe the Mariners’ owner opened up his wallet to cash in on the exchange rates.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
I hate sports radio
20 min of commercials about drug use.
OceanBird - December 14, 2009
YOU EVEN BOUGHT HER THAT ROCK
waldo rojas - December 14, 2009
ENERGY HOGS GET IN THERE
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Oddly applicable!
We all display addictive behavior!
pmc47 - December 14, 2009
WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? CLIFF FUCKING LEE?!?! JESUS COCKBELLS FUCK YES
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Welcome to the party.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
I HAD THINGS TO DO
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
NEEDS MORE COCKBELL
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
CLIFF LEE'S COCK HAS JUST ENOUGH BELLS
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Stone is not sure who all we're sending, but has heard Aumont.
LINK
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TELL ME SOMETHING MIKE
BrianL - December 14, 2009
ARRGH HE'S JUST REPORTING WHAT CHURCHILL SAYS
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Now they are taking phone calls
I turned it off
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
Oh you're missing out.
Mike Salk is ripping into a caller for calling Roy Halladay a bust.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
AAAAAAHAHAHAHA
You have to be a special kind of stupid to say something like that.
Teej - December 14, 2009
Uhhhhh................wow.
1-year of Cliff Lee or 2-years of Cole Hammel (contract wise)
What to root for!?
ThundaPC - December 14, 2009
Both!
drblacknwhite - December 14, 2009
Hamels
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Lee w/extension w/Felix extension w/Matt Holliday signing
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
And resign Beltre, branyan and a DH
InSpokane - December 14, 2009
That's way more money than we have
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Actually, not really
Matthew - December 14, 2009
We would just have no first baseman
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Carp?
InSpokane - December 14, 2009
Saunders becomes expendable ~ trade for 1B
Matthew - December 14, 2009
How big of favorites do we become if we do all of this?
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
But but but
Mike Jacobs! or some similar placeholder.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Luke Scott!!
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Rumors have had it that they'd expand payroll for the right players.
Nothing concrete, but would it be impossible for them to raise payroll back to 2008 level?
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Garko or Atkins or something?
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Jesus I hope not
there must be better options.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Can you really do that and still fill out the rest of the roster?
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Hamels
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
just posting to be part of cock punch history
GarlicFryCubFan - December 14, 2009
It's going to suck when we get SARS from this trade.
Faux - December 14, 2009
SHUT UP LEONARD
waldo rojas - December 14, 2009
Gillies, Aumont and Ramirez - not bad
Saunders too – eep.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Says who?
tait644 - December 14, 2009
He's hypothesising
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
If we keep one of Saunders and Morrow
I’m very, very happy.
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Pretty sure he's just talking hypothetical
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Churchill.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Radio guys
just speculation but they were the names they threw out
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
The names Salk got in an email.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Woa.....
Goose - December 14, 2009
saunders, amount and gillies? Does Toronto want all our Canadians?
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
Tell them we'll throw in Baker.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
I hope we didnt give up Ramirez.
Would be sad to see him go…even if its a good deal for us.
Slica - December 14, 2009
Yeah I was a fan of JR... but CLIFF LEE!!!!!!!!
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
JC
JY - December 14, 2009
No religion dude
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Ramirez hasn't done as much as we've made him out.
He’s basically been an exciting arm that’s kept his head above water for the past year in High Desert.
JY - December 14, 2009
STOP TAKING CALLS AND BRING ME NEWS
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
So uh....props to Ken Rosenthal then?
Goose - December 14, 2009
I guess.
Maybe he wanted to break the news early without blowing the cover on the trade?
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
So wait, are the Phillies sending prospects to the Blue Jays in this deal as well?
Because if not, wouldn’t the Ms just trade for Halladay?
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Sports radio sucks
A guy just said Halladay won’t grow into a good pitcher. What the fuck?
edddgar - December 14, 2009
Yeah he'll never reach his potential to be good
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
He meant Holliday
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Why don't I know what's happening?!
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Some of us are just more privileged.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Shut the shit up unless you can inform me, twinkle toes
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
The Mariners are sending players to the Blue Jays, and will receive someone from the Phillies as compensation.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Anyone good involved?
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Yes.
All parties involved have varying degrees of talent at playing baseball.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Thanks, gorgeous!
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Saunders gone? Nooooo! :*(
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Not from the reports.
Gillies instead of Saunders.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
I hope so, so much!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Holliday time!!!
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
Sign Holliday and I won't care.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Step one to signing Holliday?
InSpokane - December 14, 2009
So if Saunders is gone...
Mike Cameron!?
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Ackley!
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Hell yes.
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Rapin' Rabin?
Faux - December 14, 2009
Raben.
And not until his knees are good.
JY - December 14, 2009
Holliday?
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
I like this one!
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
If that happened it's like an MLB The Show offseason.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Yes my video game teams can always pull this sort of thing off
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
Sounds good to me!
Goose - December 14, 2009
No!
Langerhans.
I know he’s not as good, I just really like to say his name.
ungoreatstefan - December 14, 2009
Holy Shit
Churchill is saying three players are going, none of whom are Saunders and Morrow.
This can’t be true, can it?
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Jack Z is a wizard.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
I saw those names and there has to be someone missing from that list.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
If there isn't my heart will explode.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Remember, Lee wants to be a FA
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Z!!
seattlesundevil - December 14, 2009
I think Z is my new god.
thebyron - December 14, 2009
Look at what Johan netted Minnesota...
Pitchers with one year left and on the verge of mega contracts aren’t super lucrative trade chits
Matthew - December 14, 2009
And the Santana thing hinged on agreeing on an extension didn't it?
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Yes
Matthew - December 14, 2009
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
If it is then I will build a fucking shrine to Jack Zduriencik.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
I already have.
It’s in my pants.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
With Retractable Roof?
tait644 - December 14, 2009
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON :(
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
IT'S THRILLING, ISN'T IT
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
WE'RE SENDING CANADIANS BACK TO CANADA!
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
Ethnic cleansing in the form of a baseball trade!
CKel - December 14, 2009
DEPORT THEM ILLEGALS WOO!!!
I Lick Squirrels - December 14, 2009
I think we traded for Jake Locker.
wilsonpdx - December 14, 2009
Angels aren't in on this deal.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Welcome to my world
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
So Lee is probably a 4 Win pitcher, neat.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Double that in Seattle!
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Pitcher RAR is FIP based though/
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Double!
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
TRIPLE!
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
GRAND SLAM!
thebyron - December 14, 2009
FIP does not correct for HR rate!!
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Well that doesn't seem good.
Why would we want a 4-16 pitcher?
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
Because he'd be taller than a 5'-3" pitcher
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Lincecum?
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
No thanks, I'm already tripping on caffeine and sugar.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
No, he's a 4-20 pitcher.
iglew - December 14, 2009
How'd he win the Cy with those numbers?
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
We're de-emphasizing pitcher wins and losses remember?
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
The votes were probably high.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Oh man, this was one typo away from being so awesome
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Or maybe it wasn't a typo and it's still funny
either way, rec to be safe
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
It's funny because Lincecum smokes marijuana
qrsouther - December 14, 2009
Wait what?
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Huh, I could have swore I typed "voters"
Maybe I need a 420 break.
PDXTai - December 15, 2009
We wouldn't have let Langerhans go if Saunders is going IMO.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
This isn't right
No way they’d have treated the NT deadline as a what-to-do-with Saunders DL
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Or we could just re-sign Langerhans
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
MATT HOLLIDAY
edddgar - December 14, 2009
Adam LaRoche
Did say he and Langerhans were a package deal!
ungoreatstefan - December 14, 2009
I NEED TO WORK DAMNIT
kentroyals5 - December 14, 2009
Work?
tait644 - December 14, 2009
I'm at work...and trying to work..but can't until I know what's going on!
kentroyals5 - December 14, 2009
I have a final in two hours.
So I’m just going to have to hope that I’ve got enough studying in already.
Manzanillos Cup - December 14, 2009
I have two over the next eight hours,
No idea how I can concentrate.
BigR - December 14, 2009
You know that 8 hour span in between sleep and drinking?
88fingerslukee - December 14, 2009
Otherwise, how are you going to pay for World Series tickets next year?!
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
ME TOO
FUCK!
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
Two aces, motherfuckers!
Teej - December 14, 2009
Pocket rockets
CKel - December 14, 2009
Except this time it will actually be true!
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
So if this is happening, possibilities of extending both our aces?
Goose - December 14, 2009
Good w/Felix
I’d be a lot surprised with Lee, to be honest
tait644 - December 14, 2009
He's a lock for type A though
Trading for Cliff Lee and two draft picks
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Except the Yankees will sign him and someone rated as a higher type A.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Man, that is a bizarre system.
waldo rojas - December 14, 2009
Time for ownership to bump up the payroll next year.
Especially if we’ve decided to win now and in the future.
ThundaPC - December 14, 2009
very slim...
Lee was rumored to be asking for 23M per from the Phils and would go to FA if he didn’t get it.
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
Holy shit
abender20 - December 14, 2009
thats pretty much the phrase i keep repeating to myself
Jerikantilles - December 14, 2009
Heyman twitter:
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
COCKTEASE!
kentroyals5 - December 14, 2009
crap
zeeehjee - December 14, 2009
OH DON'T FUCKING DO THAT TO US!
Goose - December 14, 2009
SON OF A BITCH
I HAVE SO MUCH TO DO TODAY FUCK
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
This whole thing has likely tanked my anatomy grade for the semester
CKel - December 14, 2009
FUCK YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN
abender20 - December 14, 2009
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHHHHH
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Well, time to write off productivity today as a lost cause.
xero3k - December 14, 2009
I have the day off, which I think is worse, because I'm gonna spend all day sitting here at the computer.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Me too.
I had a list of things to do and there’s about a snowball’s chance in hell I’m going to do anything other than sit here and press “Z” on my keyboard all day.
Kyle Rancourt - December 14, 2009
A resounding ditto to that
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
.
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
Doesn't mean we won't know the details
We knew all the details about the Granderson trade a day or two in advance and it took the Figgins deal a few more days to be finalized. Not a big deal.
edddgar - December 14, 2009
If I find out Cliff Lee is going to Oakland instead I'm going to kill something.
ThundaPC - December 14, 2009
AGHHH WHAT DID WE GIVE UP
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
WHAT DID WE GET
WHAT’S GOING ON
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
We better be going full out for Holliday if Saunders is gone
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
My edit on your statement:
xero3k - December 14, 2009
Why would we do that?
As good as he is, saying you should go all out for one specific player almost always ends poorly
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Okay not "all out" but it certainly raises his value for us if Saunders is gone
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Fair enough.
Should be appended to read full out (within reason). So, no 6yr/$140m contract or something crazy.
xero3k - December 14, 2009
I think we're all under the impression Holliday likely signs with 6/100
And Holliday is worth that.
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
I'd take that, and call it an offseason if we get Lee here.
Sure, we wouldn’t have a 1B or DH, but who needs those anyway.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
We could still find a stopgap 1B/DH on the cheap
And sign Felix!
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Or just expand payroll to 2008 levels, which is my plan.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Yeah.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
If Holliday can't be had I'm okay with Mike Cameron.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
I think Holliday can be had at an oddly reasonable price
And I want Holliday.
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Felix, Ackley, Saunders and Guiterez
but look on the bright side the team signed Loafie to an extension…
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
I'm going to find you
and cockpunch you
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Its a longdrive to Texas
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
I'm a pretty motivated individual
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
sweet...
you better get here before Friday, if not you got to find me in the Caribbean
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
You're making this too easy
The fun part is finding you
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
lol
Besides, any trip south is better than being in the cold right?
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
No chatspeak, por favor.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Make sure all the rules are being followed
While everyone is talking about cockpunching. Way to be the preschool teacher!
blackvanilla - December 14, 2009
Sigh
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Except talking about cockpunching is within the rules and saying 'lol' is not
Shut up
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Fixed
Except talking about cockpunching is
withinrequired by the rules and saying ‘lol’ is notthebyron - December 14, 2009
I know you mean well, but generally Graham says what's needed to keep order in the best and most succinct way
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Cheerfully withdrawn.
thebyron - December 14, 2009
Cockpunching is a legitimate subject on LL
chatspeak is not permitted on LL under any circumstances. You might note that since laxtonto is a reasonably well known guest poster, a few of us simply posted “no chatspeak please.” It’s a very simple request and well within the rules of this site.
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Cockpunching has been an integral part of this community for as long as I've been here.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
lol your so rite
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
You're supposed to know better
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
I regretted hitting post on that one
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
No lol on Lookout Landing, please
sorry, pedantic point but it’s a site rule
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
It's a good one!
wilsonpdx - December 14, 2009
This is also true
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
You're right its not worth the drive for one cockpunch you get two instead
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
YES YES YES
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
More than anything, I'm stunned by how this came completely out of nowhere.
There were rumblings of a 3-way with the Philies and the Jays earlier today, but when did news drop about the Mariners being the third? 15 minutes ago?
xero3k - December 14, 2009
That tight lipped front office...
Its amazing and frustrating all at once.
seattlesundevil - December 14, 2009
Absolutely
I sat down with my lunch, saw that, and started at my monitor with my mouth open for a full 15 seconds.
xero3k - December 14, 2009
Mostly amazing because it's hard to be frustrated when all of a sudden
“hey we traded a broken reliever for a five-win CF and lots of other things? AWESOME!”
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
We follow a very professional organisation.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
It's almost like this was perfectly done to illutrate why I detest rumors when it comes to this front office.
Matthew - December 14, 2009
I heard a rumor that agents will manufacturer rumors to generate buzz for their clients,
but I won’t believe it until I see it on Twitter.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Why were you surprised we were in one everyone
Lee is someone, ergo, we were in on him
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Well...
If you read Fan Shots, it looks like Ken Rosenthal was on to something yesterday.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
WELL THATS A COCKPINCH.
killer_ewok18 - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Those cock pinches hurt like hell
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Was supposed to be cockpinch but it stil works.
killer_ewok18 - December 14, 2009 via mobile
DAMN YOU IPHONE.
killer_ewok18 - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Is it pinching your cock?
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Cockpunch is not a valid phrase according to it, but cockpinch is.
killer_ewok18 - December 14, 2009 via mobile
It was cockpinch
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
if z pulls this off, he's going to be as worshipped as howard schultz is hated
Jerikantilles - December 14, 2009
Not if we gave up a shitload of talent
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
WE DIDNT.
killer_ewok18 - December 14, 2009 via mobile
...phew....
kentroyals5 - December 14, 2009
So is SBN being slow for anyone else?
Goose - December 14, 2009
It sure is!
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Not here
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Wait just kidding
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Rotoworld is being slow as well.
Mariner fans are destroying the internets.
Goose - December 14, 2009
No.
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Ridiculously slow.
I thought it was just me.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
WE'RE TRADING FOR MANNY!
Robert - December 14, 2009
I'm glad I'm not the only person who finds this familiar.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Hopefully with a better ending.
ThundaPC - December 14, 2009
Watch now nothing will be announced for like 5 hours.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
The annoying thing is that I will be watching
every damn newsless second.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Just wanted to drop into this thread to say HOLY SHIT GUYS WHAT THE FUCK CLIFF LEE IS A MARINER?
esoteric - December 14, 2009
HOLY SHIT NOT YET
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
HEY HOW'S PUDGE
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
FUCK THE NATIONALS UNTIL STRASBURG PANS OUT INTO SOMETHING GOOD.
Seriously though, this is SUCH a “WTF?” moment right now I actually feel dizzy.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Fuck you, you have Harper and Strasburg
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Let's see if anything comes of it just yet.
And I somehow doubt the Nats draft Harper. Call it a hunch.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Not even sure he will enter the draft next year.
He is a junior in high school and needs to graduate early to enter (which he apparently is on track to do, but it’s not guaranteed).
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
He went the JC route, and will play at a Nevada junior college this year
and all JC players are auto-eligible for the draft (yeah, it’s a stupid loophole, but a lot of shit about the MLB draft is stupid so…)
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
He passed the requisite exam
Harper is draft-eligible for 2010
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Already done:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1916
Matthew - December 14, 2009
Nice.
Now someone go break his arm so his draft value plummets!
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
pLEEse don't jinx it!
Fin - December 14, 2009
This is much better than my Scott Baker trade idea
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
You don't rosterbate hard enough.
Sec 108 - December 14, 2009
But only half as good as my Josh Johnson idea
Poochie - December 14, 2009
USSM IS DOWN SOUND THE ALARMS
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
EXCITING!
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
What is it going to take for you to become a Mariners fan?
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
It's not happening. Trust me.
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
It seems that I actually convert people to Angels fandom.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Come for the gifs, stay for the monkies!
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
I still cry in bars about Felix
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
How about that Howie Kendricks!
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
Go Angels!
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
Awww booooooo!!!
Poochie - December 14, 2009
He's already a fan. Trust me.
He’s just suffering from “false consciousness.”
esoteric - December 14, 2009
I'd trust me on this one, no offense
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Darn tootin!
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Three licks!
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Dear god man
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
710 says the M's said with both Gillies and Aumont in the deal, they didn't expect to have to give up Saunders or Moore.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
I was happy to keep one of Morrow or Saunders
To keep both?
Uh, yeah…
tait644 - December 14, 2009
A FUCKING SHRINE
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
NO WE BUILD A MOUNTAIN OUT OF THE BODIES OF FAILED PROSPECTS AND PUT THE SHRINE ON TOP OF THAT.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
VIRGIN SACRIFICES
BrianL - December 14, 2009
ON THE ALTAR ROBERT
BrianL - December 14, 2009
SAVING MYSELF FOR FELIX
Robert - December 14, 2009
Yeah, that's the excuse you keep giving me
But I’ll get into those Aquaman underoos sooner or later.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Today is Power Rangers Day!
Robert - December 14, 2009
Or John Carlson
thebyron - December 14, 2009
Forevertown can love me tender all through out the night but Felix is the bitch that gets the ring.
Robert - December 14, 2009
ON THE ROBERT DE SABLE, ALTAIR
qrsouther - December 14, 2009
Moore, not Morrow
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
If we just gave up those two
I don’t even know what to say.
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Haven't others said that Juan Ramirez would also be involved?
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Churchill and 710
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
This is fucking insane.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Gillies is a 4th OF prospect, Aumont is a reliever, and JC Ramirez is... a decent prospect.
BUT STILL FUCKING CLIFF LEE HOLY SHIT
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
Red Sox sign Lackey to 5/85?
Ewww, I’m really glad that wasn’t us.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Agreed. Not worth it.
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Like anyone even cares anymore
Not the first time the Mariners have stolen Boston’s spotlight!
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
And not the happiest either.
InSpokane - December 14, 2009
Gotta say, Lee is preferrable.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Sucks to be an Angels fan
Lose Lackey and any opportunity at Lee or Halladay while watching the Red Sox and Mariners get better.
edddgar - December 14, 2009
Rangers too.
zeeehjee - December 14, 2009
At least they got Harden
Fuck both of them though
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Boo-freaking-hoo
waldo rojas - December 14, 2009
Yeah fuck those guys.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
And they lost Figgins.
Haha they will be the 2008 Mariners.
Fin - December 14, 2009
By my calculations that's about $7 million too much per year.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
This is really stealing the thunder from the Alonzo signing.
waldo rojas - December 14, 2009
Poor guy.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
He had his one partially shining, mostly Spanish moment
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
His thunder lasted longer than Boston's
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
This read funnier as Alonzo sighting.
qrsouther - December 14, 2009
Brock and Salk tweet:
.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Is that worth Cliff Lee?
Fin - December 14, 2009
Gillies and Aumont? Fuck yes I think it is.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Gillies is nothing and Aumont is too far away to feel bad about losing.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
I would give up Gillies, Aumont and Ramirez
AA OFer, Relief prospect (at least in our system) and a pretty ok prospect.. Nothing really making me upset there..
seattlesundevil - December 14, 2009
There has to be more
I think that Gillies and Aumont will end up in Toronto with Ramirez staying in Philly. But the Canadian factor is the only reason I think that.
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
Are you that high on Gillies?
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Gillies is intriguing, but he's a few years away and isn't as valuable with the OF we have.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Plus he's utterly replaceable with guys like Almonte, Carroll and Carerra
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Carrera maybe
Him and Gillies are clearly better prospects than Carroll and Almonte though
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
But in general, speedy OF prospects who can hit just a little aren't that hard to find is the point
I liked Gillies, but I don’t see him as any big loss to the system
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Gillies is slightly better than Carrera but they're all 4th OF types anyway.
Gillies won’t be anything unless he learns how to make contact like Figgins.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
Yes, and yes.
JY - December 14, 2009
Almonte is Halman Jr. and Carroll can't go two months without breaking something.
JY - December 14, 2009
The only place I've seen that likes Gillies is the posters at Sickle's blog.
Hes patient at the plate but doesn’t have enough power to succeed as a major leaguer.
lailaihei - December 14, 2009
Power is the last skill to develop and he's only 20
but yeah, agreed that he’s not a huge loss
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
They were stupid high on him.
Some had him as the number two or three prospect in the system.
JY - December 14, 2009
Hope the Phillies feel the same way
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Because Aumont and Gilles are about equally valuable right
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
I LIKE BASEBALL!!!!
I Lick Squirrels - December 14, 2009
There's a certain Japanese catcher I'm very fond of!
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
TNT Tweet
http://twitter.com/TNTmariners
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
CAN'T STOP CUMMING
esoteric - December 14, 2009
I am ZJACKULATING!!
Fin - December 14, 2009
Or Jackzulating
whatever.
Fin - December 14, 2009
Tell me this is something you just made up on the spot right now and I'll rec.
Fuck it, I’m rec’ing anyway. I spit out my food.
“Zjaculating” has to become a new term around here.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Yea I did just make it up.
But I couldn’t help it. I think it calls for an urbandictionary definition.
Zjackulating - verb – uncontrollable ejaculation as a result of hearing news of a fucking awesome roster move made by Mariners General Manager and Vice President of Baseball Operations Jack Zduriencik.
Fin - December 14, 2009
I deem this perfect. Your spelling is preferable, too.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
I think you're stealing EnglishMariner's bit.
Goose - December 14, 2009
I didn't know anyone had a bit like this.
What can I say? It’s the natural response!
esoteric - December 14, 2009
This one's mine
EM was fuck my pussy.
Robert - December 14, 2009
Oh yeah.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Yeah.. but what else?
seattlesundevil - December 14, 2009
On the other hand.. if that is all.. then.. uhhhhh YES PLEASE
seattlesundevil - December 14, 2009
Well according to Baker anything Canadian...
Saunders, Gillies, and Maple Syrup.
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Are we putting Baker in the deal too?
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
Lets!
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Who is Dominic Brown?
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
A stud OF
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Phillies prospect.
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Phillies top prospect
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Dominic White's non-union Mexican counterpart.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Thanks!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
What are the Phillies keeping of ours is the question
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
FUCK YES. I LOVE CANADA.
killer_ewok18 - December 14, 2009 via mobile
M's fan from PA
As an M’s fan who lives in Lancaster PA (1 hr and half west of Philly) a lot of my friends are phils fans. As much as they are happy with halladay a lot of them favor Lee over Halladay. On a better not thank you phillies for Cliff Lee!!!!!!!!
ajgraham - December 14, 2009
note*
ajgraham - December 14, 2009
Lancaster, PA? Go steal an Amish kid's lunch money to celebrate!
esoteric - December 14, 2009
hahaha yep its more than the amish but love the comment though ha
ajgraham - December 14, 2009
We found our dumb team to exploit for the offseason!
Robert - December 14, 2009
And you thought J.P. Ricciardi was a bad general manager!
Ruben Amaro, Jr….well every move he made that I thought was criminally stupid ended up working out okay, and the team’s gone to the WS twice in a row. It’s pretty hard to call him dumb right now.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
The Lee trade was a great move I thought
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Yeah, but that was midseason. Those offseason moves? They looked comically bad
And almost all of them worked out well.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
The Jose Vidro trade got us an above average DH for '07!
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Exploiting them two years in a row!
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Raul was a fate rock to see how suspectable they would be.
Robert - December 14, 2009
When did the M's exploit them last year?
Fin - December 14, 2009
Raul
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
By working from within to convince them to sign Raul
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Good gravy, indeed.
msb - December 14, 2009
Are we sure it's Lee that's coming?
Though if it’s Hamels, I’d be happy with that as well
rtang - December 14, 2009
Happier
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Win-Win, my friend!
wilsonpdx - December 14, 2009
So what are our chances of signing Lee beyond one year given that we want to sign Felix long term?
And how does this effect the evaluation of the trade?
Fett42 - December 14, 2009
It still depends what we give up
But I don’t think the fact that we also need to extend Felix changes anything when it comes to trying to extend Lee. We have the money for both.
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Not sure, but even if he walks he's a Type A.
As Graham pointed out we’d be trading for Lee and two draft picks at minimum.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
This is how I feel
beastwarking - December 14, 2009
Descriptive.
seattlesundevil - December 14, 2009
I messed up
on the link. I need to work on that.
beastwarking - December 14, 2009
If this Cliff Lee trade is pulled of, December 14th is officially Jack Zduriencik Day in Seattle.
This is my facebook status. I recommend we start a movement.
Fin - December 14, 2009
Typo!
evanr - December 14, 2009
I don't want to spread typos, though.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
What is the type/
Fin - December 14, 2009
I dunof
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Nevermind.
I swear I am not drunk posting.
Fin - December 14, 2009
Their is a pretty obvious one.
evanr - December 14, 2009
I see it. Haha.
Fin - December 14, 2009
IDonf see one
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
More names from Morosi's Twitter:
Gillies and Aumont seem to be the only recurring names.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Yeah well we know Aumont is gone.
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
It's hard to know if it's everyone is just quoting the same source, though.
The reiteration isn’t necessarily confirmation.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
True. I seriously doubt Aumont isn't in the deal though
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Taylor's new though.
So far this is what I’ve found getting exchanged prospect wise…
Tyson Gillies (SEA)
Philippe Aumont (SEA)
Juan Ramirez (SEA)
M. Taylor (PHI)
Dominic Brown (PHI)
Would the M’s need to throw in more prospects if that’s the package?
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
I doubt it
That’s a hefty deal
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
That was my thought too.
If Toronto gets those five, the deal should go through.
BrettJMiller - December 14, 2009
Brown and Taylor are good.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Seriously, what the hell is Philly doing?
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Amaro...not impressed.
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
No idea.
They were likely to sign Halladay next year. Why would you get him a year early when you already have Cliff Lee?
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Cut out the Yankees and Red Sox
If they’re the only team that gets to deal with him on an extension as part of this trade, they can lock him up long term without fear of other big market teams running up the bidding war
seattlecougar - December 14, 2009
Bahahaha, no.
That’d be a HAUL for Toronto.
Jeff Nye - December 14, 2009
I don't think Toronto gets all of that
I think they probably get Taylor, Brown, and Aumont. Philly keeps Ramirez and Gillies.
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
Or maybe Ruben Amaro is dumber than we think
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
That seems about right on Seattles part
It’s probably slightly less than what they gave up to get Lee.
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
Certainly one of those at least is staying in Philly for Lee/Hamels to move
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
TOR Gets all that??
tait644 - December 14, 2009
I'm surprised to I haven't heard Triunfel's name thusfar.
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Ramirez, Gillies, Aumont
For one year of Lee and two draft picks?
Or Five years of Lee?
Yes please.
tait644 - December 14, 2009
I hope Ramirez ins't in the deal.
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
He almost kind of has to be
Otherwise, this is completely surreal
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Even if he is, this deal is still insanely awesome
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
I'd be more okay with that than Saunders
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
By a longshot
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
If it's Aumont/Saunders/Gillies that's too much for one year of Lee, no?
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Well I guess you get the type A picks when he walks too
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
I would be less happy, sure
Closer to a wash than a loss for us though
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
I think so
That seems about the same as what Philly gave up for him, and he’s worth less now.
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
I don't see that happening.
Was this you or did you read these names somewhere?
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
No no just proposing a hypothetical
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Phew!
I don’t think Saunders and Gillies would go in the same deal.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Anything that gets us Lee without giving up Saunders or Morrow would be amazing.
Anything that gets us Lee and only requires us to give up one of those, is still pretty darn good.
Jeff Nye - December 14, 2009
I like how Texas has to give up a good pitcher just to add a better pitcher(who's injury prone)
and we can just add a really good pitcher to our better pitcher.
Goose - December 14, 2009
I'm surprised it's taken this long to get to a 'more power' caller.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
TOOL TIME!
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Add this to the books of LL's history of awesome threads.
Fin - December 14, 2009
The Angels are gonna get more screwed out of this
From Rosenthal:
So they take on Lowe at 3 years 45 mil?? Ha!
spikefriedman - December 14, 2009
Sigh.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
If only there was a blog specifically for Angels fans
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
Yeah, Eyebrows is really annoying and I wish he'd go away.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Seriously. Fuck that guy.
Goose - December 14, 2009
No doubt, a right twat.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Always wish the Constitution had given us a Twat Right.
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
Yay creepy comment!
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
You're welcome!
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
GOD HE'S SUCH AN ASSHOLE
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Kidding!
I know HH is unreadable.
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
Do we have to go through this every two months? Jesus.
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
It's okay, mama bear.
He’s just joking. Hugs!
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
Claws retracted!
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
My bad
Knee-jerk Angel haterade
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
You can use a rally monkey to wipe away your tears while you think about how awesome 2002 was.
Jed MC - December 14, 2009
At least it's just Juan Rivera, right?
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Just so much overpaying for mediocre players.
We’re going to turn into the Blue Jays.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
YAY
abender20 - December 14, 2009
John McDonald for SS
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Well this is a trend I can certainly get behind
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
And you say that as if it's bad news?!
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
I hope they sign Jason Bay to replace Rivera!
Gihyou - December 14, 2009
This is a fantastic idea
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Atlanta was reportedly willing to eat some of the money on Lowe's contract.
But they not have to if the Angels want him.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
This just gets funnier
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
God I would love for Rivera to leave LAA
They’ll be looking at a Abreu/Hunter/Matsui/GMJ OF.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
I get to root for Cliff Lee again!
He’s the best pitcher to come out of my alma mater by far, but once he went to the Phillies, I had to not like him.
But now he’s onn the Mariners!!!!!!!
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
I love to think that Jack Z is just randomly calling teams and trying to insert the M's as a third team into everyone else's two team trades
and then somehow, he magically walks away with the second-best player in the deal
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
That's what Moneyball said about Beane.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
And I'm imagining that this is EXACTLY what GMZ is doing
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Nah.
Jack said he only read some excerpts from the book.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Doesn't mean he didn't figure it out on his own
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
This offseason dramatically went from shit to awesome in a hurry.
Goose - December 14, 2009
You had to know Zduriencik was suitably unsatisfied by the lack of action during the Winter Meetings
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Any more information on the prospects involved in this huge deal?
ajgraham - December 14, 2009
Please use the subject line on LL
And no, not as far as I’m aware
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Wow
2 people in a row on 710 trying to say “No no our pitching is our strength! We dont need Lee! waahh!”
Jesus yeah lets just get Bedard and Washburn back and have them do exactly what they did last year.
Oh and dont forget about Vargas, French, Olson, and Silva. They pretty much equal Lee right?
Wowwwwwwwww.
Karma Police - December 14, 2009
We neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
msb - December 14, 2009
GOTTA HIT SOME DINGERS
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
"Cliff Lee is great, but get someone who makes you start ducking out in the stands"
msb - December 14, 2009
We have Silva!!!
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
But also prospects are just 'prospects' who never do anything - anybody remember Ryan Anderson?
The potential for a wonderful infinite loop for talk radio callers: trading prospects for pitching.
marc w - December 14, 2009
But wait, if the M's offer arbitration and he walks, then we're potentially looking at Type A picks for compensation?
This may have been discussed already but I’m late to the party and still 20 minutes out from catching up.
Kermit. - December 14, 2009
Likely looking at Type A, yes.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Would be pretty hard for him not to be
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Well then shit, who cares
Kermit. - December 14, 2009
BUT THEY'D JUST BE PROSPECTS
marc w - December 14, 2009
WE'LL JUST KEEP SHUFFLING PROSPECTS AND WE'LL NEVER CATCH UP TO THE FUTURE
Kermit. - December 14, 2009
BOPPERS. RUN PRODUCERS. RBI GUYS. NEED SOME DINGERS. NEED POP.
marc w - December 14, 2009
Yes
Brian Floyd - December 14, 2009
Which brings us to (what I think is) an interesting point
is pitching really the most efficient way to spend our budget? Given that we’re able to get reasonable results of guys like Jarrod Washburn thanks to our amazing defense, isn’t there some diminishing returns where Cliff Lee is less valuable to us than to another team that can’t make average pitchers look awesome?
Anyone else think this?
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
I guess, but it will just make Lee that much more awesome.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Can you post a negative ERA?
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
That would mean we scored runs while on defense right?
Kirk - December 14, 2009
Pick six
abender20 - December 14, 2009
I think Felix did that once.
Against the Mets or something.
zeeehjee - December 14, 2009
I think that it's a good thing that we can know he will produce better with our amazing defense.
Our defense will compliment him very well.
Kirk - December 14, 2009
SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS TO ME RIGHT NOW
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
WE MAY BE GETTING CLIFF LEE FOR ONE OR MORE MINOR LEAGUERS OF VARYING ABILITY
BrianL - December 14, 2009
You're stealing my schtick.
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009 via mobile
I am?
BrianL - December 14, 2009
I sure am.
I am so very sorry :(
BrianL - December 14, 2009
OH JESUS SEASON OVER
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
We're trading Randy Johnson for some prospects named Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Don't forget John Halama, the centerpiece of the prospects du jour.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
WE'RE ALL ZJACKULATING OVER HERE
It’s Christmas 11 days early.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
It's a Hanukkah present.
Jed MC - December 14, 2009
Remember being upset about losing out on Harden?
Fuck Harden.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
That is
looks like Lee or Hamels are coming here and none of Saunders and Morrow have been mentioned
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
FOGEL!!!
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
And, to be fair, Seattle has more than enough money to resign him
unlike a certain player that went to the Cardinals.
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
McGwire?
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Matt "let's massacre for a farm system for a three-month rental" Holliday.
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
*our farm system for a rental
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
Red Sox fan here
Finally, I’ll have to read smart posts speakin’ about o-swings and tRA during the playoffs on this awesome blog and not that conspiracy non-sens on HH.com
A great day for baseball my friends!!!
Orange County is burning!
radiohix - December 14, 2009
Actually, I was there last night, and it was raining like crazy
but welcome to LL!
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Thank you sir
radiohix - December 14, 2009
Holy crap a Red Sox fan I don't immediately hate
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
The enemy of my enemy
seattlecougar - December 14, 2009
I don't think you'll hate because I know staff about baseball and I'm a big fan about your team process
You can check one of my posts here in which I speak about the M’s and who’s in his right mind if he doesn’t LOVE Ichiro?
radiohix - December 14, 2009
Errrr....* a big fan "of" the M's process not "about"
Sorry English is my 4th language ;(
radiohix - December 14, 2009
Your 4th? I guess we'll let you off the hook for those grammatical/spelling errors then.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Please
Actually I live in Tunisia (North Africa) and we speak Arabic here, then you have french and Italian
radiohix - December 14, 2009
This would be a pretty good excuse for English as a fourth language, I'd say
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Yeah, but I'm not that bad when it comes to english ;)
radiohix - December 14, 2009
Not at all, and that's pretty awesome if it's your fourth and you're that fluent in it
I can barely handle English and crappy Japanese
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Watashi wa, kaeru.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Yup.
Multi-lingual people impress me no end.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Nice.
((He didn’t capitalize French, only Aarbic, English and Italian.))
Tyler Jorgensen - December 14, 2009
Aarbic? Hmm. Must be what pirates with turbans speak.
Tyler Jorgensen - December 14, 2009
No, fool, it's the mystical language spoken by the members of clan Aardsma.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
That's cruel man lol
Anyway, Tunisia is well known touristic country and it’s the place where they’ve shot STAR WARS (I live 30 miles from Tatooine!
radiohix - December 14, 2009
I was going to go into Tashi station and pick up some power converters.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - December 14, 2009
Dammit, TOSHI station.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - December 14, 2009
Try again!
Tosche station
appleshampoo - December 14, 2009
Uh oh.
My entire childhood is ruined.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - December 14, 2009
Just a quick FYI, "lol" is forbidden around Lookout Landing
we try not to use any kind of chatspeak (lol, ur, go 2, etc.) on the site
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Ok
Sorry about that!
radiohix - December 14, 2009
No worries at all
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
NO WAY
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Carthage Aqueduct! Wooo!
I’d love to visit some day.
marc w - December 14, 2009
You'll love to see the Colesium too
More intact than the one in Rome
radiohix - December 14, 2009
Anyway thank you for the chat gentelmen
Time for me to sleep, I hope we’ll meet in the playoffs!
radiohix - December 14, 2009
There's nothing to see. I used to live here, you know.
You’re going to die here, you know. Convenient.
Tyler Jorgensen - December 14, 2009
THERE ARE TWO SUNS AND NO WOMEN!
What am I SUPPOSED to DO??
appleshampoo - December 14, 2009
Hey, I've got a few questions about that place. You don't have an email listed, so shoot me an email if you're obliging.
Decatur - December 15, 2009
This blog is actually very big on the sens
Matthew - December 14, 2009
Indeed
A BIG fan of your work
radiohix - December 14, 2009
Inside jokes don't count
Robert - December 14, 2009
Poor Drayer.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Probably wrecked that pot, too.
msb - December 14, 2009
This is the true tragedy.
sammy - December 14, 2009
Explain?
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Burned some food while covering the story
said food turned out to be toxic when burned.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Cooking pot.
She’s officially off until tomorrow, and so at home— had water in a calphalon pot boil off while tracking the story. Smoke, smoke alarm, and potential toxicity.
msb - December 14, 2009
Weird.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Ah
that makes much more sense.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Non stick cookware is very toxic if you heat it while empty
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
If you own birds (as I do) a tiny amount can kill them.
The ol’ canary in the coal mine effect.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
That would be a hell of a shitty way to lose a pet bird.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
There aren't any good ways.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Causes flu like symtoms in humans
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
Good thing the pan I killed was cheap non-stick crap
msb - December 14, 2009
Are Shannon Drayer woman-kitchen jokes fair game?
qrsouther - December 14, 2009
I think I speak for everyone when I say no absolutely not
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Good.
qrsouther - December 15, 2009
Speaking of, how much is Seattle's current team payroll?
To figure out how many dumptrucks full of $100 bills we need to roll up to Cliff’s house to get him to sign a long-term deal.
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
Probably just one.
I would imagine a dumptruck full of 100’s would be a ton of money.
Kirk - December 14, 2009
Yeah, but after 2001, they HAD the dumptruck.
I wouldn’t be on that NOT happening again if Lee takes us to the World Series….
rtang - December 14, 2009
Several tons, in fact
http://www.findconstructionequipment.com/CAT-777B-Dump-Truck.htm
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
I wonder the dollar amount on a ton of money.
Any guesses?
Kirk - December 14, 2009
What denomination
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Well 100's I think.
Kirk - December 14, 2009
~1 gram per bill. Just under 10 million.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Yeah. Running the numbers.
a dumptruck that can carry nine cubic yards can hold $600,000,000.
So, to make it more impressive, it’ll be two dumptrucks full of tens.
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
I kind of want someone to do this now
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Notes:
http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1975809 shows that one cubic foot holds 24,605.90 dollar bills, and http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_capacity_of_dump_truck says a large dump truck can hold 9 cubic yards.
So, 27*9*100*24605.9= $597,923,370.
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
Maybe we should use 20's
instead of 100’s for his deal then.
Patton - December 14, 2009
I WANT OFFICIAL NEWS GODDAMIT!
I HAVE SHIT TO DO TODAY!
Goose - December 14, 2009
I knew there was a reason I never listened to sports radio.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Temporarily muting until they stop taking calls
Jesus christ.
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Ahahaha, this talk show is awesome!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
And there goes my day.
But seriously PLEASE PLEASE GET THIS DONE Z I WILL NEVER TAKE MY MARINERS JERSEY OFF AGAIN
Crystal for DH - December 14, 2009
What if...
we get Cliff Lee in a trade and then sign Chien Ming Wang as a 3rd starter.
skwid206 - December 14, 2009
Well, Wang isn't very good
abender20 - December 14, 2009
If he's healthy he's a reasonable buy-low candidate
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
He seemed to have lost the sink on his fastball
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
If you give him a one year deal for $5M, who cares?
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Vargas cares
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Jason Vargas looks like a child molester
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
"Hey kid, I've got candy in my van"
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
What's up with the eyeshadow?
MFAN - December 14, 2009
It's hard to get enough sleep when you're up all night trolling for kids.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
He says annoying things to them in an attempt to anger them?
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
No
He does it on their behalf so they can get some sleep.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
They say you should bring out your best feature, to take the attention away from trouble spots.
msb - December 14, 2009
Nah
Just looks permanently hungover, that’s all.
appleshampoo - December 14, 2009
No, he just looks like Al Capone, that's all.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
You can put your sorries in a sack, mister.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
That's not all Jason Vargas puts in a sack
and sells for $20.
Karma Police - December 14, 2009
If you're going to make a Seinfeld reference, get the wording right.
andrewgolfsalot - December 14, 2009
*Stuff
As in, you can go stuff it.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
And Al Capone.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Russell the Sex Muscle cares
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
That was my thought.
skwid206 - December 14, 2009
He seems not healthy
Matthew - December 14, 2009
He won't be ready until May
No thanks.
tait644 - December 14, 2009
I always use the word "if" to make my statements very non-committal
this is a good trade for the Mariners if Cliff Lee remains healthy and tosses up a 2.85 tRA* in 215 innings in 2010
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
What if...
Holliday.
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
That would be like the Titanic hitting the iceberg.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Wang is recovering from shoulder surgery and before the surgery was giving up a ton of homers and his GB rate was down ~15%
We already have Silva.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Now all we need to do is sign Cap Anson, and Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown
and we can take down that pesky team from Shelbyville.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - December 14, 2009
Has anyone checked on Dave?
I think he crapped himself in excitement
Brian Floyd - December 14, 2009
M's Official Site: Blockbuster Halladay deal appears near
Three-way trade with Mariners, Jays may send ace to Philly
TrashiDawa - December 14, 2009
No way...really?
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
I call bullshit.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
I guess I'll ask it.
Is Halladay actually better than Lee?
MFAN - December 14, 2009
Yes
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
But not by a hugely significant amount
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Thanks. I figured Halladay was probably better, but not by a whole lot.
MFAN - December 14, 2009
Yes.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Yep
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Yep.
walkoff baltimore chop - December 14, 2009
Halladay has been the best pitcher in all of baseball over the last 6-8 years
The best. Lee’s been very good for a couple of years, but had had mixed success before that.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
He is but the question is whether he represents a significant enough upgrade over Lee for this to have been worth it for the Phillies
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
If they can extend him and don't think they can extend Lee, then I can see why they make this deal.
Teej - December 14, 2009
Shannon Drayer was just on ESPN News
She is saying pretty sure it is Cliff Lee and Aumont and Gillies will probably go. Other possibilities were Kelley and Morrow. She also said she is pretty sure Adam Moor isn’t going anywhere.
Z0827 - December 14, 2009
Morrow, Aumont and Gillies for Lee?
Oh yes please!
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Not really all of them
She seemed to think definitely on Aumont and Gillies, but other possibilities as alternatives were Morrow and Kelley.
Z0827 - December 14, 2009
Morrow?
I’d much rather he stay than J. Ramirez
tait644 - December 14, 2009
How about just Aumont and Gillies?
Those are the two that are consistently identified throughout this whole rumor-mongering process.
And I would wet myself all over again
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
If it's Ramirez as well - NO BIG DEAL
Think about this for a second – Cliff Lee for a guy we were going to use as a reliever and two A+ players.
That’s a steal
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Oh, I know
But the absurdity just escalates exponentially when dealing with just those two
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Did they have a little photo, whith her name underneath?
msb - December 14, 2009
Nope, just her name and ESPN710 or whatever it is in Seattle.
Z0827 - December 14, 2009
So, how big of a disappointment would it be if it turned out to be Hamels, not Lee?
msb - December 14, 2009
I would actually like the deal better
ManifestDestiny - December 14, 2009
Not much, depending on who we're giving up for sure.
Jeff Nye - December 14, 2009
None.
Mariner Melee - December 14, 2009
Not much
Signed longer, peripherals last year weren’t a problem
spikefriedman - December 14, 2009
Not hugely, the extra year would mitigate the decreased performance. And Hamel's is a perfectly good 2-3 starter.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
I'd be much happier
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Projected FIP for Hamels is only about .3-.4 higher
and he’s under contract for two years. That’s a better overall value.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Hamels would probably also benifit more from Safeco
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
Why? both are lefties.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Better pitchers benefit less from parks
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
I was actually thinking that Cliff Lee was slightly more prone to get grounders
arbeck77 - December 14, 2009
That works too
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Eeeehh
I see what you’re saying but BABIP on grounders AND flies is so low I cant see it making much difference. Its the LDs and homers that do the most damage. Hamels has more of a home run problem, so in that sense youre right.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
2 years of Hamels would be just swell
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
It's so awesome that two years of Cole Hamels could be viewed as the second-best scenario.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
And ironically it would actually be the first-best scenario.
It’s only the superficial optics that make Lee look better.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
On the other hand, the Expos felt pretty good when they got Mark Langston for three prospects
Obviously: Cliff Lee > Mark Langston
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
Well that's like saying the Mariners felt good when they traded five prospects for Erik Bedard
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
That didn't work out either
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009
We aren't giving up Adam Jones or Chris Tillman, and Lee isn't Bedard.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
I always hate the prospects for veteran trades because people use those labels as a ridiculous crutch in their 'analysis'
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Yup. Anyway, a few party poopers can't keep me down.
I’m excited.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
OH FUCK IT I CAN'T CATCH UP AND I WANT TO KNOW
Kermit. - December 14, 2009
WE TRADED KEN PHELPS FOR JAY BUHNER
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
AND YOUR SON GEORGE COSTANZA IS DEAD
BUT BUHNER! amiright?
Karma Police - December 14, 2009
No one knows yet it's all just rumours still!
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Robinho for Cliff Lee
Straight up
MarkE - December 14, 2009
If it would have been Craig Bellamy I'd have been pissed.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
You didn't hear?
Bellamy got sent down to the minors as punishment for being fouled.
MarkE - December 14, 2009
They should randomly send him off more often
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
FIFA should invent a new offense for dismissal
looking like Craig Bellamy
MarkE - December 14, 2009
Dismissal hell that's a lifetime ban
pdb - December 14, 2009
MarkE misheard
It’s actually Robin Hood
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Eyebrows posted his tongue gif
Fin invented “ZJackculating”
Sudden-lee we have our Harden back
Oh, and something about a possible trade.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Churchill's latest update
Doesn’t include any new names, such as Morrow or Kelley
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Even if it IS Kelley, you're still talking about trading relievers here
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Oh man.
I just gave a stray cat a splinter from the woody I just got.
Slica - December 14, 2009
Two Days?!?!?
d_a_cameron " Awesome – two days of speculation. RT @MLBastian: Hearing that an official announcement for the deal would come Wednesday at the earliest."
Brian Floyd - December 14, 2009
Ah fuck.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
URGHHHHH.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Shouldn't surprise
“official” requires the physical to be passed and the extension to be negotiated. Doesn’t mean we won’t get details sooner.
seattlecougar - December 14, 2009
Ugh.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Noooo
That doesn’t mean the details won’t leak sooner though
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
WHERE'S A LEAK WHEN YOU NEED IT
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
Men's room is the third door on the right
pdb - December 14, 2009
Produce section left of the registers
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Poochie is going to kill himself when he hears about this
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
That's not fucking cool.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Whatever Mora go get fired we wants baseball news
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
The way this press conference is going it won't be much longer!
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Seriously.
I don’t want to listen to Mora.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
PLAYOFFS?
Seriously, I just tuned into 710 and I couldn’t give a flying fuck about Seahawks football. Give me my baseball, bitches!
esoteric - December 14, 2009
They really painted themselves in a corner with this "12 hours for the 12th man" deal.
waldo rojas - December 14, 2009
They have changed up programming in the past when something happens, so ...
msb - December 14, 2009
Let me guess.
“We’re gonna find out about some people!”
MFAN - December 14, 2009
ACCOUNTABILITY
waldo rojas - December 14, 2009
Only if your name is Chris Spencer.
MFAN - December 14, 2009
Coach Mora is just like Coach Holmgren!
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Fuck Jim Mora
abender20 - December 14, 2009
There's no way this disaster is not at least 50% his fault. Take the blame or take a hike.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
Threw Spencer under the bus again.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
Maybe the bus will break his other thumb.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
How pissed would you be if it
was Morrow Saunders and Aumont?
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
Quite
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Howsabout Morrow Saunders and Aumont, with an extension for Lee?
msb - December 14, 2009
Would still be too much.
Jeff Nye - December 14, 2009
Still pissed off
Could just sign Lee in FA
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
Trading for Lee wouldn't help us sign him to an extension more than just signing him in FA next year
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
We'll make Griffey tickle him until he agrees to sign.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Cliff Lee just doesn't look like the sort of guy who's ticklish.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Oh I think we could find a ticklish spot on him. We just have to be thorough.
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
This blog has perverted you.
EnglishMariner - December 14, 2009
Oh, perverted isn't a new look on me.
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Very thorough.
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
;)
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
Very, very pissed
But it’s not going to be all three
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Murderous rage
edddgar - December 14, 2009
Would that mean we've signed Holliday?
Cause then I wouldnt give a shit
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Whoa misread the three names
thats too much. Not going to do it.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Besides I heard we were trading Morrow to the Rangers for Smoak and Feliz
Bearskin Rugburn - December 14, 2009
Why not...
Morrow is tons better than that hack Josh Johnson
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
It's not going to be
cwel87 - December 14, 2009
YES
tait644 - December 14, 2009
Twitter:
-Heyman
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
We have Heyman's seal of approval? I can sleep easy.
abender20 - December 14, 2009
SOMEONE GET ME A BEER.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
DAMN COCK TEASES
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
PedroPedroPedro.
“1 year of Cliff Lee, for all our trade chips? I don’t have a problem dealing these prospects, but for 1 year and Lee walks? Did Bavasi kidnap Zduriencik? "
msb - December 14, 2009
Isn't that coming
from the guy who wants us to sign Jason Bay?
beastwarking - December 14, 2009
Hahahahahahahaha
I appreciate you bringing these quotes, there’s no fucking way I’m ever going there again.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Lee is a Type A free agent
The M’s will get two high draft picks or do like Oakland does and flip Lee for prospects before the trading deadline.
Coug1990 - December 14, 2009
What would we do without you?
JY - December 14, 2009
What's with the uptick in Lee's velocity on his fastball?
2002: 87.2 (0.0)
2003: 88.8 (1.6)
2004: 89.4 (0.6)
2005: 89.3 (-0.1)
2006: 89.0 (-0.3)
2007: 89.0 (0.0)
2008: 90.5 (1.5)
2009: 91.1 (0.6)
By the way, why does SBN eat my plus signs?
Phil Hatzenbuehler - December 14, 2009
He did spend time with Raul
Is it time to acknowledge the elephant in the room?
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Scandalous.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - December 14, 2009
Oh, wait, you meant steroids.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - December 14, 2009
Maybe he's just one of those weird players who peaks a little later than normal
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Never knew what he got for Christmas until the 26th.
Robert Lintott - December 14, 2009
If you have two plus signs in the same line,
and the spacing is right, SBN thinks they’re enclosing whatever is in between, so the plus signs disappear.
iglew - December 14, 2009
ESPN reports that Ruben Amaro is not entirely insane
says that Toronto get D’Anaud, and either Taylor or Brown (but probably Taylor), and Aumont, and Philly gets the other two prospects from Seattle, who I presume are still Gillies + Ramirez
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4742072
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Stark says:
“As part of the deal, Halladay would agree to a three-year extension through 2013, with a vesting option that could lengthen the deal by another year or two, one source said. The extension is expected to guarantee Halladay in the neighborhood of $60 million, plus the $15.75 million he would make in 2010, the final year of his current contract.”
So, 3/60 with vesting options for him. Maybe this will be quick
Brian Floyd - December 14, 2009
That is a fantastic deal for Philly.
Goose - December 14, 2009
Apparently Doc really, really wants out of Toronto.
msb - December 14, 2009
He also really, really, wants to be in Philly.
They hold spring training about 30 feet from his house in Clearwater, FL. Plus they’re as good a bet to go the postseason today as any team in the majors outside of the Yanks.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Plus they have an outstanding left fielder with veteran presence.
PDXTai - December 14, 2009
Well, that was so self-evidently obvious that it didn't need to be said.
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Yah.
msb - December 14, 2009
Plus there are cheese steaks
Mmmmmmmmmm, cheese steaks.
Nadingo - December 14, 2009
EVERYONE CELEBRATE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsrN3qxX2Yw
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsXknE8LOEI&feature=PlayList&p=A4AB7FDA6C24DEA9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=41
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
Jack Zduriencik is the king of the divan!
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
Yes!
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
Yes, Goddammit!
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
This is how I feel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGbKv5RQPGQ
beastwarking - December 14, 2009
Come on Cliff Lee,
I swear (well he means) At this moment you mean everything,
With you in that dress my thoughts I confess verge on dirty
Ah come on Cliff Lee.
Don275 - December 14, 2009
Ok barring any other changes
assuming Lee joins the team and Saunders doesn’t leave, what win total do we roughly project out to next year? Anyone run the numbers yet? (sorry if someone did this earlier in this thread, but it’s impossible to read all the comments and get anything else done as well).
Fear - December 14, 2009
Low-80s
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
And that is with the current roster?
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
More or less
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Does it assume Branyan?
esoteric - December 14, 2009
Yeah
But that barely makes a difference.
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Matt Holliday?
and Beltre.
Scruffy Lefty - December 14, 2009
.
Here
gregrabble - December 14, 2009
Thanks
must have missed that one while trolling around in this thread.
Fear - December 14, 2009
Oh God no.
We better have not given up too much.
russak - December 14, 2009
Don't worry!
Bavasi is gone!
appleshampoo - December 14, 2009
Yeah, but, I'm not comfortable giving away Saunders or other blue-chippers for one year of Lee.
russak - December 14, 2009
Which is what the asking price would be, right?
russak - December 14, 2009
Most so far have said Gillies, Aumont and JC Ramirez
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Hmmm. I think I like this if thats the case.
russak - December 14, 2009
Gillies and Aumont have been mentioned a lot, so I'm praying that's who it is, and media is making it sound like Aumont is the centerpiece of our package, which would (hopefully) preclude the third piece from being Morrow or Saunders
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Realistically, virtually everyone else but Triunfel and Ackley would be expendable in this scenario
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Though Pineda wouldn't make me happy
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
Jharmidy De Jesus.
DeJesus, Triunfel, and Ramirez would greatly sadden me…but this trade is still too good to be true.
And getting rid of Gillies is a personal plus for me.
Slica - December 14, 2009
I really hope that's the case.
russak - December 14, 2009
Also interesting how both players are Canadian.
russak - December 14, 2009
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