We're probably not going to learn anything new about this deal today so it's time to talk about something else for a little while in order to avoid all the cabin fever. Word has it that the Red Sox and Mike Cameron have tentatively agreed on a two-year deal worth around $15m or so. Cammy will receive regular playing time, and as a second-tier acquisition, budget room remains for Boston to make a move for Adrian Beltre should the Mike Lowell situation get cleared up.
If you take a team, and you hate that team, and then that team loads up on players you love, do you hate the team less?
I would've thought so, but faced with the reality of the situation, it feels more like the team is just nailing the snot out of ex-girlfriends you wish you'd never let get away.
Mike Cameron and Adrian Beltre are two of my favorite players of all time. God damn you, Boston, for tainting at least one of them, and quite probably tainting them both. I don't deserve this, and I hope you burn for it.
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Cameron too?
Boo
njd.aitken - December 14, 2009
I like SPAM and pineapple sandwiches
laxtonto - December 14, 2009
The worst part of all of this is that Boston fans fucking suck and they will hate both of them.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
I can see them hating Cammy but Beltre's probably going to own that Green Monster and be awesome
>:(
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Even though I love Adrian and want him to do well I'm anticipating being annoyed at people bitching about how much he sucked while he was here.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
Well, once he's signed with Boston he'll be back on the juice, of course.
JLC - December 14, 2009
OFF TOPIC (kinda): Any add-on I can use to track multiple threads on SB?
THolt - December 14, 2009
I just keep a bunch of tabs open in one Firefox window and CTRL+Tab through them.
Teej - December 14, 2009
Tried it. Thanks for the thought though.
THolt - December 14, 2009
I'm thinking .280/.360/.800
Teej - December 14, 2009
I bet he'd walk more if he slugged .800
Poochie - December 14, 2009
You're on.
CapSea - December 14, 2009
The wall is too enticing. Beltre will walk three times in 2010, all intentional.
Teej - December 14, 2009
Then to make a .360 OBP he better get beaned a lot
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Of course he's going to get hit.
Every team hates the Red Socks.
Kirk - December 14, 2009 via mobile
So much I spelled Sox wrong.
Kirk - December 14, 2009 via mobile
If Mike Lowell can't be traded, why drop out of Beltre over the loss of $3M and a prospect from Texas?
Janic - December 14, 2009
I am most worried about Beltre putting up solid numbers in Fenway
And having to watch Beltre webgems every goddamn mother fucking day.
JLC - December 14, 2009
Wow that is going to really piss me off
Put some names on the backs of your jerseys you homos.
JLC - December 14, 2009
He will finally be noticed after all those years hiding
Marinerfanjake - December 14, 2009
Adrian finally gets a web gem?
msb - December 14, 2009
I keep telling
My devout Redsox fan to stay the fuck away from Beltre and if Boston signs him, I’m going to punch him.
I think the guy you hate nailing your ex girlfriend analogy is especially apt, I love Belte and Cammy and only want the best for them – but, not if my worst enemy is now nailing her.
ungoreatstefan - December 14, 2009
At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.
msb - December 14, 2009
I hate the Red Sox so, so much more.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
Agreed.
I think the Red Sox have overthrown the Yankees as the douchiest team in baseball.
Fin - December 14, 2009
I hate the Red Sox because of their fans.
I hate the Yankees for our history against them in the playoffs.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
I hate the Yankees because they are the Yankees.
But I agree with you about the Red Sox fans. The team itself is actually pretty fun to watch and hey, they have the rich version of Billy Beane as their GM.
Johnny Slick - December 15, 2009
Or the Angels.
Eyeball Kid - December 14, 2009
I can deal with the Yankees for some strange reason
The Red Sox I cannot
bamfor - December 14, 2009
So the Red Sox are the anti-Royals
stocking up on the great, underappreciated Mariners. Damn them.
stupidquestions - December 14, 2009
Saunders must be next!
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
ARGGGHH
stupidquestions - December 14, 2009
Seriously why does everyone think he's Jeremy Reed or something
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Because Jeremy Reed was supposed to be awesome maybe?
Also, >:(
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
This reads different than I meant it to.
The subject line means to imply that people might be cynical about prospects because of failures like Jeremy Reed and the >:( is in reference to the fact that I loved Jeremy Reed.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
So did I, man. So did I.
royalcurve - December 14, 2009
I affectionately referred to him as Remery
Dewey N - December 14, 2009
NOOOOOOO
ARock - December 14, 2009
Paul B. on USSM:
“Just had a thought, maybe Saunders isn’t in the trade. would the M’s have non tendered Langerhans if they knew Saunders was being traded?”
THolt - December 14, 2009
Comments are not rumors
and Jeff was joking.
CapSea - December 14, 2009
They can never have Felix now muhahahahahaha!
Slurvey - December 14, 2009
At some point during the season Beltre is going to hit a game changing double against us in the 8th inning.
While in the 9th inning, with us down by 1 because of said double, he’s gonna make of his patented bare handed throws to rob Ichiro or Figgins of an infield base hit, and then Cammy will rob a game winning homer from somebody a few minutes later.
Then I will cry.
Goose - December 14, 2009
And Cliff Lee will have a no-no leading into this 8th inning.
Fin - December 14, 2009
And Beltre will have also broken up Felix's no hitter the game before.
ARock - December 14, 2009
I'm fine with it. I'm happy he has a job and will get the attention he has always deserved.
Poochie - December 14, 2009
I'm just gonna be pissed when people say stuff like
“Now he’s actually living up to his contract!” because of a couple extra homeruns. I cannot believe how many people think he was worthless with us, pfft, ignorant fools.
OceanBird - December 14, 2009
"They always get better when they leave"
I can hear them now.
stupidquestions - December 14, 2009
Uh,
The whole MLB staff at ESPN?
THolt - December 14, 2009
Yup.
katal - December 14, 2009
Also, this makes it more likely that we acquire Holliday
Poochie - December 14, 2009
I don't see how we have room in the budget for him, plus a DH/1B.
katal - December 14, 2009
Has he ever played first?
Little League, High School, whatever. Not exactly a demanding position.
THolt - December 14, 2009
Makes him way less valuable and way less worth the money.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
...exactly
Don’t know the market well enough though. Know the Cards have purportedly made a semi-serious offer.
THolt - December 14, 2009
I'm not sure right now but maybe the make a Holliday exception, backload, and/or dumpster dive
Poochie - December 14, 2009
Can you backload incentives?
More thinking of Branyan/Johnson etc.
THolt - December 14, 2009
I love you, Jeff.
Way to perfectly describe how I feel.
katal - December 14, 2009
Fuck this...
I’m from Boston and I’m sick to my stomach. Particularly about Adrian “Scrotum” Beltre.
THolt - December 14, 2009
Better than them going to the Angels
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
Agreed
THolt - December 14, 2009
Is this somewhat analogous to the swiping of the Sonics?
Don’t know whether to love or hate KD. My heart says yes, but my head says no.
THolt - December 14, 2009
No. Cammy and Beltre in Boston is annoying. Losing the Sonics is a death in the family.
lemonverbena - December 14, 2009 via mobile
We're talking Jackie holding JFK's brains in.
Too soon?
THolt - December 14, 2009
Yeah, something that happened in 1963 is too soon for us.
Stick to 19th century assassinations only and you’ll be fine.
Matthew - December 14, 2009
I don't hate Durant I just hope his team loses every game for the rest of eternity.
Craig Powers - December 14, 2009
Boy let's hope they don't get ahold of Jose Lopez
SeattleFigginsFan - December 14, 2009
That depends on so many variables within the system that we can't even begin to conjecture
THolt - December 14, 2009
Lackey will be easy to hate
on the Red Sox
TrashiDawa - December 14, 2009
That's for damn sure
Jeff Sullivan - December 14, 2009
Heh for fun: who'd be the easiest player to hate (A-Rod excluded)?
THolt - December 14, 2009
Papelbon.
How someone dropped on their head as baby that many times became a closer, I’ll never know.
craig3410 - December 14, 2009
BUT THE JIG!
THolt - December 14, 2009
~
Eyebrows - December 14, 2009
Pedroia.
Fucking midget.
Wilder. - December 14, 2009
Uh, only Guti, Jr, Ichiro! and Edgar (RIP) would be difficult to hate on the BoSox
THolt - December 14, 2009
Fault: that was a reply @TrashiDawa
THolt - December 14, 2009
Man, MNF is pimping these developments NON-stop. Like, every TV timeout or impossibly narrow break in the action.
THolt - December 14, 2009
I can love players separate of their team.
I just watch them and root for the others to fail double.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
this is how i see it (like you care)
Boston fans are by far the worst, of that I’m sure you’ll all agree.. But at the same time, damn their front office knows what its doing. They value defense, they (for the most part) make sensible moves.. I can’t stand boston but any club that appreciates the true value of a cammy or a beltre is doing something right.. Hate em or love em, I respect the way they run their org
Paseman - December 14, 2009 via mobile
When I lived in the area,
Red Sox fans were some of the best you’d ever find. I still can’t wrap my head around them being so reviled.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
Most Boston fans that Seattlites encounter are from Seattle
Graham MacAree - December 14, 2009
I hate bandwagon fans as a whole
and that’s why I’ve always hated the Yankees.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
Yankee fans were Yankee fans because the Yankees were always good.
But being a Red Sox fan was like a pox.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
Big Market = Stigma
From owner to fan.
THolt - December 14, 2009
I think it's just that the Sox are good now
and especially attractive to a certain personality type.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
Loud drunk?
JLC - December 14, 2009
Yeah, and that personality type is a personality type I generally dislike a great deal.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
Makes me wonder if I will hate Mariners fans one day.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
(Being as the team has a large budget and good management)
It would be weird to hate nuevo-Mariners fans.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
2001-2003.
katal - December 14, 2009
1995-2003
Sec 108 - December 15, 2009
Most real, long-term, non-douchebag Red Sox fans I know hate bandwagoners.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
Yeah it's definitely possible to hate members of your own teams fanbase
I dislike many parts of the Mariners fanbase right now and we haven’t even really won anything yet to attract the real douchebags.
OlSalty - December 14, 2009
I hate most baseball fans.
At least the baseball fan part.
Aaron Campeau - December 14, 2009
I've liked the actual long-time Boston native Sox fans I've met.
I hate just about everyone in the Bellevue chapter of Red Sox Nation.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
If and when the Seahawks are ever good again
we can enjoy the influx of new, opinionated and trollish fans on Field Gulls.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
Soon as we win a Superbowl I'm going the Robert suicide route so I don't have to deal with that.
BrianL - December 14, 2009
"Super Bowl?"
“Super Bowl?”
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
As a kid, no one I knew liked the yankees.
Then 1996 happened.
New York was a Mets town in the 1980s, too.
katal - December 14, 2009
That's true
there were those two huge stretches they were bad.
John Morgan - December 14, 2009
The issue I have with Boston fans...
…isn’t really about the bandwaggoners. Fuck the heck, every good team has those. My issue is how, after they won their first World Series and even after their second, they were still going around whining about The Curse. Guess what, Sox fans? You never get to talk about the Curse anymore. Ever. It’s done. You’re now just another team in the league.
Time for a new curse, like the goat or whatever the Cubs have (which is, unlike the Red Sox who have put up some decent teams throughout the years, is more a testament to decades of bad management than an actual curse). Or perhaps the Curse of Diego Segui.
Johnny Slick - December 15, 2009
That was less the fanbase than Dan Shaughnessy and his friends
who don’t count. Curses are meaningless and stupid and any reasonable long term Sox fan will tell you the same thing.
pdb - December 15, 2009
"Any reasonable long term Sox fan."
I couldn’t get a hold of either of them.
The Typical Idiot Fan - December 15, 2009
So my last two roommates were a huge Angels fan followed by a huge Red Sox fan
awesome
seattlebruin - December 14, 2009
You sure know how to pick 'em
pdb - December 15, 2009
I think his lack of stature is making him think all his roommates are huge.
Sec 108 - December 15, 2009
The Red Sox don't bother me, so I don't really care. I'm happy for Adrian and will root for him.
I hate the Angels and find the Twins to be annoying for reasons I’ve never been able to explain. Other than that, I couldn’t care less who signs my favorite players.
Teej - December 14, 2009
Yeah it must really suck to have to deal with the thought of your favorite player going to Boston.
Robert - December 14, 2009 via mobile
I'm so glad you're here for me, Robert.
But I’d still love Cammy (and Beltre) even if he joined al-Qaeda.
Decatur - December 14, 2009
Is it just me or does Cammy and Beltre look absurdly awkward in Red Sox uniforms in your head?
edddgar - December 15, 2009
Damn
Cammy is still one of my favorite five Mariners, along with Edgar, Ichiro, Felix, and Griffey.
It’s going to be really tough rooting for him in a Boston uniform. Oh well, at least I’ve still got great memories of him as a Mariner—taking back Jeter’s home run back in 2000 (was there for the game), being an All Star/Gold Glover in the awesome 2001 campaign, and last but not least, his last home run on Fan Appreciation Day 2003 (and yes, I did get the ball :D).
Still, I’ll cheer for him every time it doesn’t hurt the Mariners.
Rachmaninoff - December 15, 2009
Actually, I don't remember disliking many Boston position players.
Pedroia and Ellsbury maybe. I can’t stand the pitchers, but I’ve never had a problem with most of their hitters. So I think I’ll be okay. Plus, if Boston fans hate them, I already hate Boston fans, and if Boston fans like them, then Hell Yeah! Way to appreciate their awesomeness!
CapSea - December 15, 2009
Also don't forget Tug Hulett
CapSea - December 15, 2009
I hate Boston, but I will hate them less with Beltre and Cammy.
InSpokane - December 15, 2009
I have no problem with two players I love going to a winning team and a run environment
where they can put up the all star numbers they’re capable of. Thing is, I don’t hate the Red Sox. They have a lot of players I rather like and enjoy watching*. I hate their fans.
So, as long as they’re beaten out of the playoffs by the Yankees (and as things stand I don’t see how they won’t be) its ok. The closer they are, the greater the heartbreak.
*Well, at least they have had. Right now I can only think of Lester and Drew and maybe Wakefield but Cammy and Beltre will add to the list.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 15, 2009
I think that out of respect to Mariners fans they should have cut Varitek around 5 years ago.
It’s just criminal that to this day we have to be reminded of the Heathcliff Slocumb trade.
Johnny Slick - December 15, 2009
The Cammy thing blows, but I still refuse to believe Beltre will be in Boston.
Sec 108 - December 15, 2009
This has been mentioned before but...
Better Boston than Anaheim.
Johnny Slick - December 15, 2009 via mobile
The Red Sox don't bother me
Or, at least, the team doesn’t bother me; their fans do.
With the Angels, the team bothers me (and Scioscia).
With the Yankees, it’s both.
Edge to New York.
Colm - December 15, 2009
Californians bother me.
They steal all of our good real estate locations and smell of feet.
Johnny Slick - December 15, 2009
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