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We're probably not going to learn anything new about this deal today so it's time to talk about something else for a little while in order to avoid all the cabin fever. Word has it that the Red Sox and Mike Cameron have tentatively agreed on a two-year deal worth around $15m or so. Cammy will receive regular playing time, and as a second-tier acquisition, budget room remains for Boston to make a move for Adrian Beltre should the Mike Lowell situation get cleared up.

If you take a team, and you hate that team, and then that team loads up on players you love, do you hate the team less?

I would've thought so, but faced with the reality of the situation, it feels more like the team is just nailing the snot out of ex-girlfriends you wish you'd never let get away.

Mike Cameron and Adrian Beltre are two of my favorite players of all time. God damn you, Boston, for tainting at least one of them, and quite probably tainting them both. I don't deserve this, and I hope you burn for it.

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Cameron too?

Boo

I like SPAM and pineapple sandwiches
The worst part of all of this is that Boston fans fucking suck and they will hate both of them.
I can see them hating Cammy but Beltre's probably going to own that Green Monster and be awesome

>:(

Even though I love Adrian and want him to do well I'm anticipating being annoyed at people bitching about how much he sucked while he was here.
Well, once he's signed with Boston he'll be back on the juice, of course.
OFF TOPIC (kinda): Any add-on I can use to track multiple threads on SB?
I just keep a bunch of tabs open in one Firefox window and CTRL+Tab through them.
Tried it. Thanks for the thought though.
I'm thinking .280/.360/.800
I bet he'd walk more if he slugged .800
The wall is too enticing. Beltre will walk three times in 2010, all intentional.
Then to make a .360 OBP he better get beaned a lot
Of course he's going to get hit.

Every team hates the Red Socks.

So much I spelled Sox wrong.
If Mike Lowell can't be traded, why drop out of Beltre over the loss of $3M and a prospect from Texas?
I am most worried about Beltre putting up solid numbers in Fenway

And having to watch Beltre webgems every goddamn mother fucking day.

Wow that is going to really piss me off

Put some names on the backs of your jerseys you homos.

He will finally be noticed after all those years hiding
Adrian finally gets a web gem?
I keep telling

My devout Redsox fan to stay the fuck away from Beltre and if Boston signs him, I’m going to punch him.

I think the guy you hate nailing your ex girlfriend analogy is especially apt, I love Belte and Cammy and only want the best for them – but, not if my worst enemy is now nailing her.

At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.At least it's not the Yankees.
I hate the Red Sox so, so much more.
Agreed.

I think the Red Sox have overthrown the Yankees as the douchiest team in baseball.

I hate the Red Sox because of their fans.

I hate the Yankees for our history against them in the playoffs.

I hate the Yankees because they are the Yankees.

But I agree with you about the Red Sox fans. The team itself is actually pretty fun to watch and hey, they have the rich version of Billy Beane as their GM.

I can deal with the Yankees for some strange reason

The Red Sox I cannot

So the Red Sox are the anti-Royals

stocking up on the great, underappreciated Mariners. Damn them.

Saunders must be next!
Seriously why does everyone think he's Jeremy Reed or something
Because Jeremy Reed was supposed to be awesome maybe?

Also, >:(

This reads different than I meant it to.

The subject line means to imply that people might be cynical about prospects because of failures like Jeremy Reed and the >:( is in reference to the fact that I loved Jeremy Reed.

So did I, man. So did I.
I affectionately referred to him as Remery
Paul B. on USSM:

“Just had a thought, maybe Saunders isn’t in the trade. would the M’s have non tendered Langerhans if they knew Saunders was being traded?”

Comments are not rumors

and Jeff was joking.

They can never have Felix now muhahahahahaha!
At some point during the season Beltre is going to hit a game changing double against us in the 8th inning.

While in the 9th inning, with us down by 1 because of said double, he’s gonna make of his patented bare handed throws to rob Ichiro or Figgins of an infield base hit, and then Cammy will rob a game winning homer from somebody a few minutes later.

Then I will cry.

And Cliff Lee will have a no-no leading into this 8th inning.
And Beltre will have also broken up Felix's no hitter the game before.
I'm fine with it. I'm happy he has a job and will get the attention he has always deserved.
I'm just gonna be pissed when people say stuff like

“Now he’s actually living up to his contract!” because of a couple extra homeruns. I cannot believe how many people think he was worthless with us, pfft, ignorant fools.

"They always get better when they leave"

I can hear them now.

Uh,

The whole MLB staff at ESPN?

Also, this makes it more likely that we acquire Holliday
I don't see how we have room in the budget for him, plus a DH/1B.
Has he ever played first?

Little League, High School, whatever. Not exactly a demanding position.

Makes him way less valuable and way less worth the money.
...exactly

Don’t know the market well enough though. Know the Cards have purportedly made a semi-serious offer.

I'm not sure right now but maybe the make a Holliday exception, backload, and/or dumpster dive
Can you backload incentives?

More thinking of Branyan/Johnson etc.

I love you, Jeff.

Way to perfectly describe how I feel.

Fuck this...

I’m from Boston and I’m sick to my stomach. Particularly about Adrian “Scrotum” Beltre.

Better than them going to the Angels
Is this somewhat analogous to the swiping of the Sonics?

Don’t know whether to love or hate KD. My heart says yes, but my head says no.

No. Cammy and Beltre in Boston is annoying. Losing the Sonics is a death in the family.
We're talking Jackie holding JFK's brains in.

Too soon?

Yeah, something that happened in 1963 is too soon for us.

Stick to 19th century assassinations only and you’ll be fine.

I don't hate Durant I just hope his team loses every game for the rest of eternity.
Boy let's hope they don't get ahold of Jose Lopez
That depends on so many variables within the system that we can't even begin to conjecture
Lackey will be easy to hate

on the Red Sox

That's for damn sure
Heh for fun: who'd be the easiest player to hate (A-Rod excluded)?
Papelbon.

How someone dropped on their head as baby that many times became a closer, I’ll never know.

Pedroia.

Fucking midget.

Uh, only Guti, Jr, Ichiro! and Edgar (RIP) would be difficult to hate on the BoSox
Fault: that was a reply @TrashiDawa
Man, MNF is pimping these developments NON-stop. Like, every TV timeout or impossibly narrow break in the action.
I can love players separate of their team.

I just watch them and root for the others to fail double.

this is how i see it (like you care)

Boston fans are by far the worst, of that I’m sure you’ll all agree.. But at the same time, damn their front office knows what its doing. They value defense, they (for the most part) make sensible moves.. I can’t stand boston but any club that appreciates the true value of a cammy or a beltre is doing something right.. Hate em or love em, I respect the way they run their org

When I lived in the area,

Red Sox fans were some of the best you’d ever find. I still can’t wrap my head around them being so reviled.

Most Boston fans that Seattlites encounter are from Seattle
I hate bandwagon fans as a whole

and that’s why I’ve always hated the Yankees.

Yankee fans were Yankee fans because the Yankees were always good.

But being a Red Sox fan was like a pox.

Big Market = Stigma

From owner to fan.

I think it's just that the Sox are good now

and especially attractive to a certain personality type.

Yeah, and that personality type is a personality type I generally dislike a great deal.
Makes me wonder if I will hate Mariners fans one day.
(Being as the team has a large budget and good management)

It would be weird to hate nuevo-Mariners fans.

Most real, long-term, non-douchebag Red Sox fans I know hate bandwagoners.
Yeah it's definitely possible to hate members of your own teams fanbase

I dislike many parts of the Mariners fanbase right now and we haven’t even really won anything yet to attract the real douchebags.

I hate most baseball fans.

At least the baseball fan part.

I've liked the actual long-time Boston native Sox fans I've met.

I hate just about everyone in the Bellevue chapter of Red Sox Nation.

If and when the Seahawks are ever good again

we can enjoy the influx of new, opinionated and trollish fans on Field Gulls.

Soon as we win a Superbowl I'm going the Robert suicide route so I don't have to deal with that.
"Super Bowl?"

Super Bowl?

As a kid, no one I knew liked the yankees.

Then 1996 happened.

New York was a Mets town in the 1980s, too.

That's true

there were those two huge stretches they were bad.

The issue I have with Boston fans...

…isn’t really about the bandwaggoners. Fuck the heck, every good team has those. My issue is how, after they won their first World Series and even after their second, they were still going around whining about The Curse. Guess what, Sox fans? You never get to talk about the Curse anymore. Ever. It’s done. You’re now just another team in the league.

Time for a new curse, like the goat or whatever the Cubs have (which is, unlike the Red Sox who have put up some decent teams throughout the years, is more a testament to decades of bad management than an actual curse). Or perhaps the Curse of Diego Segui.

That was less the fanbase than Dan Shaughnessy and his friends

who don’t count. Curses are meaningless and stupid and any reasonable long term Sox fan will tell you the same thing.

"Any reasonable long term Sox fan."

I couldn’t get a hold of either of them.

So my last two roommates were a huge Angels fan followed by a huge Red Sox fan

awesome

You sure know how to pick 'em
I think his lack of stature is making him think all his roommates are huge.
The Red Sox don't bother me, so I don't really care. I'm happy for Adrian and will root for him.

I hate the Angels and find the Twins to be annoying for reasons I’ve never been able to explain. Other than that, I couldn’t care less who signs my favorite players.

Yeah it must really suck to have to deal with the thought of your favorite player going to Boston.
I'm so glad you're here for me, Robert.

But I’d still love Cammy (and Beltre) even if he joined al-Qaeda.

Is it just me or does Cammy and Beltre look absurdly awkward in Red Sox uniforms in your head?
Damn

Cammy is still one of my favorite five Mariners, along with Edgar, Ichiro, Felix, and Griffey.
It’s going to be really tough rooting for him in a Boston uniform. Oh well, at least I’ve still got great memories of him as a Mariner—taking back Jeter’s home run back in 2000 (was there for the game), being an All Star/Gold Glover in the awesome 2001 campaign, and last but not least, his last home run on Fan Appreciation Day 2003 (and yes, I did get the ball :D).

Still, I’ll cheer for him every time it doesn’t hurt the Mariners.

Actually, I don't remember disliking many Boston position players.

Pedroia and Ellsbury maybe. I can’t stand the pitchers, but I’ve never had a problem with most of their hitters. So I think I’ll be okay. Plus, if Boston fans hate them, I already hate Boston fans, and if Boston fans like them, then Hell Yeah! Way to appreciate their awesomeness!

Also don't forget Tug Hulett
I hate Boston, but I will hate them less with Beltre and Cammy.
I have no problem with two players I love going to a winning team and a run environment

where they can put up the all star numbers they’re capable of. Thing is, I don’t hate the Red Sox. They have a lot of players I rather like and enjoy watching*. I hate their fans.

So, as long as they’re beaten out of the playoffs by the Yankees (and as things stand I don’t see how they won’t be) its ok. The closer they are, the greater the heartbreak.

*Well, at least they have had. Right now I can only think of Lester and Drew and maybe Wakefield but Cammy and Beltre will add to the list.

I think that out of respect to Mariners fans they should have cut Varitek around 5 years ago.

It’s just criminal that to this day we have to be reminded of the Heathcliff Slocumb trade.

The Cammy thing blows, but I still refuse to believe Beltre will be in Boston.
This has been mentioned before but...

Better Boston than Anaheim.

The Red Sox don't bother me

Or, at least, the team doesn’t bother me; their fans do.
With the Angels, the team bothers me (and Scioscia).
With the Yankees, it’s both.
Edge to New York.

Californians bother me.

They steal all of our good real estate locations and smell of feet.

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