A Brief Summary Of Everything
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 PM PST
in Seattle Mariners Transactions
Note: by the way, the deal's official now.
- For whatever it's worth, I haven't been away or anything. Matthew's just been on another level, saying everything that needs to be said while being interesting in saying it. This is a co-author blogging groove the likes of which we've never seen and I'm more than happy to ride it out.
- When I first heard about the Morrow deal, I couldn't make sense of it, and the best explanation to me so far is one I've seen suggested by a few people - this is directly related to the Halladay/Lee exchange, the result of a handshake agreement between the M's and the Jays that Brandon Morrow would be headed to Toronto even though they couldn't work things out during the original window. Dave's got a few paragraphs on it. Basically, this is a trade that doesn't make a lot of sense on its own, given the context and the Mariners' needs, and when you have a trade that doesn't make a lot of sense made by an intelligent front office, you have to assume that you don't have all the information. This is not a falsifiable theory, but it does strike me as the most probable basis. Last week there was a weird three-way-but-not-three-way-deal in which we got Cliff Lee for very little. Now we make a trade with one of those teams where it seems like we're giving up too much. I have to think they're connected. But, hey, maybe not.
Update: Z says that this deal and the Lee deal were separate. If it's true that these moves aren't related, that we're forced to consider that either the M's did this to prepare for another move or, more likely, Brandon Morrow just isn't seen as being that valuable around the league. Which, in turn, would also tell us a lot about how the M's see Edwin Jackson. But then the M's have been after Jackson for more than a year. Now I'm confused.
- The Phillies traded Cliff Lee because they couldn't afford both him and Roy Halladay. Now they're allegedly chasing Fernando Rodney. Incredible.
- I think Matthew has done a good job of explaning why we all may have been overrating Brandon Morrow. His secondary stuff sucks, he's made zero progress as a starter, and he doesn't throw strikes. He is, right now, a decent reliever with solid-starter upside, but the odds that he never develops into something special are remarkably high. With that said, it is also necessary that we avoid the trap of taking Brandon League as some kind of guarantee. League, to date, has had one really good season, a season in which he started throwing a splitter a third of the time. He missed bats, he got groundballs, he got hitters to chase pitches out of the zone - Brandon League, in 2009, was really really good. At the same time, though, he's a reliever. Some good relievers from 2008: Grant Balfour, Brian Fuentes, Brad Lidge, Kerry Wood, Jose Arredondo, Will Ohman, Rafael Perez, Brandon Morrow...relievers are volatile. This isn't anything new or groundbreaking, but sometimes we can lose sight of that fact. Remember how quickly JJ seemed to lose it?
League is a good bet in 2010. He's young, he has good stuff, and the fact that his newfound success was tied to a change in his repertoire suggests sustainable causality. But nothing is certain, and we shouldn't take him for granted. While his odds of remaining awesome are good, the odds of regression or even disaster are very real, and not to be ignored.
- I do love Brandon League, though. Unless you believe in the sustainability of warning track fly balls, he's better than David Aardsma. Relievers with good stuff are nothing new for the Mariners. Relievers with good stuff that can avoid walks, however, make me do the Wallace & Gromit hand clap.
- My personal favorite angle on the Morrow/League deal: this is Jack Zduriencik trying to clear the organization of as many Bavasi players as he can. Yeah, that's sensible. A good GM doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves, and he doesn't make moves just to prove a point. Z didn't inherit the Bavasi Mariners. He inherited the Mariners. As soon as Z rose to power, Bavasi's players became Zduriencik's players, and you only move your players if you think that doing so will help the team get better. If Z thought less of Brandon Morrow simply because he was drafted by the Bavasi regime, that would make Z a retard, and Z isn't a retard, unless he's the most functional and intelligent retard of all time.
- An important reminder: Brandon Morrow's career FIP in the bullpen is over 4, and his career FIP in the rotation is over 5. Morrow is all potential. Although he's thrown nearly 200 Major League innings, he is still very much a prospect. I'd argue that he's more of a prospect than a guy like Nick Hill or Doug Fister. While the term "prospect" is used interchangeably with "talented minor leaguer," it shouldn't be.
- Yohermyn Chavez is interesting, but nothing else. My personal philosophy is that, barring extraordinary tools, you shouldn't pay much attention to a minor leaguer until he's done something in AA, and Chavez hasn't gotten there yet. In time, maybe, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
- All offseason long, I was convinced that we'd end up trading Morrow for a regular first baseman. Now I don't know what to think, as the front office remains way ahead of me. Free agent options are still hanging around, but with Michael Saunders suddenly looking like a possible trade chip, I'm not even going to bother speculating on who's the most likely find.
- Interesting to see Morrow come clean about how much his treatment in 2008 hurt his development as a starter. Just another reason to root against Carlos Silva as a pitcher and as a person. You do not deserve to be happier than me, Carlos.
- An important difference between Brandon League's goggles and RRS' goggles is that Brandon League's goggles are more reflective. The additional reflectiveness makes League more intimidating. Also making League more intimidating is the fact that he doesn't have pinpoint command and throws a hundred miles per hour.
I always liked the idea of a guy throwing fast enough to kill and wearing spectacles.
Kind of like how Randy would occasionally unleash a pitch 8 feet high to the backstop. Just to freak the hitters out.
Matthew - December 23, 2009
Troy Percival didn't even wear glasses!
Poochie - December 23, 2009
One really cunning gamesmanship ploy.
msb - December 23, 2009
Randy seems to be a Bull Durham fan.
Eyebrows - December 23, 2009 via mobile
I also like how he killed a dove, the symbol of peace, with his fastball
OlSalty - December 23, 2009
He should of picked it up and bit its head off
people would still be afraid to bat against him.
Ballard Erik - December 23, 2009
Goggles, lack of command and 100mph fastball?
I think I’ve seen this somewhere before.
Eyebrows - December 23, 2009 via mobile
This almost makes me hope that he sucks
Just so I can heckle him drunkenly like Randy Quaid does
tootthekazoo - December 23, 2009
Apparently, something Randy Quaid is expert at ...
msb - December 23, 2009
I was like, "Quaid wasn't in Major League." I looked up his IMDB.
Major League 2 never happened. Also, I notice he was in Caddyshack 2 as well.
Nice work Quaid, you got yourself into two of the worst sequels of all time.
Tyler Jorgensen - December 28, 2009
Yeah but when Matthew's eventual regression comes don't say I didn't tell you so
Poochie - December 23, 2009
Where did this mythical trade value for Morrow come from?
Janic - December 23, 2009
1/15 are good odds for a lottery ticket
Poochie - December 23, 2009
If you're going to quote, please provide a link.
Matthew - December 23, 2009
http://ussmariner.com/2009/10/01/morrow-and-hope/
One of Dave’s comments.
Janic - December 23, 2009
FWIW
Richard’s career ended because of a stroke, not because of anything typical to pitchers.
The Ancient Mariner - December 23, 2009
Why would Z not link it to the Lee/Halladay deal if it actually was linked?
And not only not link it, but now deny it? I tend to believe the clearing of everything Bavasi-related theory.
ralphie81 - December 23, 2009
That last sentence came out wrong.
I tend to believe the clearing of those that Jack believes we can improve on…as Jeff points out below, most of them just happen to be linked to the Bavasi era.
ralphie81 - December 23, 2009
Thank you for this:
Teej - December 23, 2009
Hopefully,
this is not too close LLchatspeak, but that was one of the funnier things I’ve read in a while. T
don gato - December 23, 2009
Another reason why he would be my hero
Robert - December 23, 2009
This had me choking on my granola
Bicycle Rider - December 23, 2009
Oh my god HH would have a field day with this screenname comment combo
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
Good one
I almost spit out my coffee when I read this.
Fin - December 24, 2009
instantrimshot.com
Two Rs and Two Ls - December 24, 2009
Forgot to mention
Maybe, just maybe, Z is getting rid of a lot of the Bavasi-era Mariners because a lot of the Bavasi-era Mariners suck.
Jeff Sullivan - December 23, 2009
duh
Poochie - December 23, 2009
Let me know if you need help coming back from that limb.
CapSea - December 23, 2009
I don't think thats true though
Minus the Bedard trade, our farm system and youth would be pretty fucking amazing.
Edgar for Pres - December 23, 2009
That doesn't sound like a good reason ;)
vivaelpujols - December 23, 2009
The theory of this deal being part of the Halladay deal makes sense from a value perspective
but aside from Zduriencik’s denials (which don’t mean that much, they denied being interested in Bradley after all) there is also the issue of physicals. If Morrow was a significant part of the Halladay package, wouldn’t the Jays want a physical from a young pitcher with quite an injury history before they ship off their ace?
I think Jack might be a bit of a TTO GM. He either hits it out of the park or whiffs (or walks, which is… I dunno; not a very apt analogy after all).
Bearskin Rugburn - December 23, 2009
Denying something before it happens is different than denying a reason for something that already did.
ralphie81 - December 23, 2009
Nevertheless
he is under no obligation to reveal agreements reached between him and other GMs. He may want to give the impression that this was a separate deal for reasons entirely his own, we will never know for certain.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 23, 2009
Too many questions left unanswered.
Why keep this part of the trade secret? (and deny it after it is made official)
Why wait a week after the main piece to do it?
What if either pitcher failed their physical? Halladay already has his extension, everything previous to this can’t be undone.
It’s much more reasonable to believe that Jack Zduriencik isn’t infallible and/or that Morrow’s trade value wasn’t as high as some thought it to be.
Janic - December 23, 2009
"Unless you believe in the sustainability of warning track fly balls, he's better than David Aardsma."
Eddie Guardado made a career of those for a while.
JY - December 23, 2009
Rec'd for Wallace and Gromit.
I’ve always liked League. Then again, when I only had Gameday to follow games I was impressed by pretty much anyone that threw 100mph.
Eyeball Kid - December 23, 2009
But don't you think the fact that RRS's glasses aren't reflective a bigger distraction?
Hitters get lost in his big, dreamy Aussie eyes.
SethGrandpa - December 23, 2009
This is all very interesting..
As a Jays fan I’m also a little confused by the deal… prior to this deal I saw Morrow as one of those high upside pitchers who you take in the middle rounds of a Fantasy draft and hope for a breakout campaign. Not much has changed… but I know a little more about him now and my optimism is a little more cautious than before.
To be honest I’ve never liked Brandon League… the guy can throw triple-digits but he knows exactly how and when to absolutely implode. This clip (skip ahead to 1:30) sealed this opinion of Brandon in my mind. (I also had $20 riding on the Jays winning 76 games so that stung a little but more than it usually would.)
He can certainly be brilliant from time to time so hopefully he can do that a little more often in the future than he has in the past. In a perfect world, both the M’s and the Jays win this trade and get some solid young arms.
Kenjamin - December 23, 2009
You don't like him because of two throwing errors on pretty good bunts?
That seems very forgivable to me.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 23, 2009
Nope.
Those just made me angry at the time based on the situation. I had already formulated the opinion long long ago.
Again, not saying he’s worthless. Just giving an example of how frustrating he can be. I’m sure you have no shortage of similar Morrow footage based on what I’ve been reading here at the landing.
Kenjamin - December 23, 2009
Every reliever not named Mariano Rivera is frustrating, though.
So you just pick the most talented ones and hope for the best. But they’re all going to get torched a few times a year.
Teej - December 23, 2009
League certainly does have talent. If he’s worked on that new splitter and starts to find the strike zone a little more there are going to be some very irate Jays fans.
Kenjamin - December 23, 2009
Mariano even blew game 7 of the 2001 World Series with a bad throw on a bunt attempt.
Jed MC - December 23, 2009
Hmm
You guys sure right a lot in your subject lines. Must be an east-west cultural difference….
Kenjamin - December 23, 2009
“Write” not “right”…. hoo boy.
Kenjamin - December 23, 2009
It's a rule around here.
You’d be wise to do the same when you’re here.
coreyjro - December 23, 2009
Oh, my apologies. I'll try to be a little more respectful when visiting foreign lands.
Anybody know where I could get a good cup of coffee?
Kenjamin - December 23, 2009
No idea
I guess I can relate to your feelings on League. Morrow was maddening in a different way. Like walking nearly every batter he faced to open the 09 season. As a closer.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 23, 2009
Tim Hortons
Dave Clapper - December 23, 2009
Rec'd for truth
The Ancient Mariner - December 23, 2009
I originally read this as "White is Right"
Which is true.
TheTank123 - December 24, 2009
Bold lettering is easier to read and follow.
And subject lines allow you to easily hide content and makes for easier moderating. Also, it’s really just … just so much better.
CapSea - December 23, 2009
Baltimore happens to the best of us,
See this clip for our own implosion.
Janic - December 23, 2009
My favorite angle on the League acquisition:
He has the back of his jersey, “LEAGUE”, “22” tattooed on his back.
Looking at who’s wearing 22 now, I think he’s in for an expensive tattoo removal soon.
craig3410 - December 23, 2009
Huh?
I don’t get it. Who’s wearing 22? What’s on first?
Gaude - December 23, 2009
Wakamatsu
BrettJMiller - December 23, 2009
If you actually didn't know.
I caught the reference.
BrettJMiller - December 23, 2009
Did he finally do the number?
I knew he had his name up there, but heard he hadn’t wanted to add a number until he stuck with a team
msb - December 23, 2009
Bad idea for relievers in general
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
Don't coaches usually give up uniform numbers for free?
And players give them up for a nice watch to a player with seniority.
Torgen - December 23, 2009
This trade still kinda annoys me
Stick Morrow in the rotation and he is above replacement. Trading him shifts Fister to the 5th spot probably and kinda fills a hole in the bullpen (I guess). Just looking at how the team is constructed, I don’t see how this makes us better overall. I agree that I was hoping Morrow would bring in a 1B with him. League is cool but at some point you have to just try Morrow in the rotation and see what you get. If he doesn’t work out you don’t get much in return in a trade but if he does work out at all he either helps the team alot or brings back more in a trade.
Now we probably need to get a SP. Hopefully there is something in the works.
Edgar for Pres - December 23, 2009
I'm betting Vargas in the fifth spot
unless we add someone else . . .
The Ancient Mariner - December 23, 2009
I'd like to at least see some upside
That was the nice thing about Morrow. His downside was a #5 SP but he had enough upside to make things interesting.
Edgar for Pres - December 23, 2009
Actually, his downside
was (and is) roller-coaster middle reliever.
The Ancient Mariner - December 23, 2009
As a relief pitcher he is striking out 8+ K/9
and his control can be bad but isn’t abysmal. Morrow at no point is a middle relief pitcher.
Edgar for Pres - December 23, 2009
Morrow hasn't really been a great reliever thus far.
He gets tons of K’s, but still walks too many guys. He had a killer stretch of dominance in ‘08, but that’s been about it as far as showing the ability to be more than an average reliever.
BrettJMiller - December 23, 2009
Yeah I might overrate his control
but 2008 was pretty dominant.
Edgar for Pres - December 23, 2009
Nick Hill!
JY - December 23, 2009
I concur!
Slurvey - December 23, 2009
Quite possibly
I’m guessing, though, that he’ll start off in the rotation in Tacoma, and we’ll go from there.
The Ancient Mariner - December 23, 2009
Jack Z and LL better take a few days off for Christmas.
My brain is fried.
Teej - December 23, 2009
He's going to pull the Pujols and Utley trades on Christmas day
So the fans in St. Louis and Philly won’t find out about them for a few days.
CMC_Stags - December 23, 2009
I can't imagine many trades/signings go down between now and New Years
if only because who the hell wants to go to the office during Christmas?
craig3410 - December 23, 2009
If I recall,
the Beltre signing was somewhere around the 27th of 28th of December.
Liebkartoffel - December 23, 2009
Actually, no
nevermind, it was the 16th—the day after the Sexson signing. Wow, I was hilariously optimistic about the 2005 season because of those signings.
Liebkartoffel - December 23, 2009
Man, I remember being in a great mood after those two signings
And then didn’t Richie hit a pair of dingers on opening day? False hope to the max…
tootthekazoo - December 23, 2009
My friends and I were home from college
and threw a party in honor of the Beltre signing.
TheTank123 - December 24, 2009
It was not
The day after the Sexson signing and it was mid Decemeber
Robert - December 23, 2009
Yep...beat you to that by a good 8 minutes.
Liebkartoffel - December 23, 2009
Except that the 27th/28th is not really mid-December
pdb - December 23, 2009
Except his correction was 8 minutes before Robert
ermac - December 23, 2009
...but I corrected myself on that point.
Sexson signed on the 15th, the Beltre signing was announced on the 16th and officially completed on the 17th—which makes sense, because I knew the signing had something to do with a 7. Guess I was just off by ten days.
Liebkartoffel - December 23, 2009
I read too soon, sorry
pdb - December 23, 2009
No worries.
Liebkartoffel - December 23, 2009
Blind leading the blind.
Jim Moore and Kevin Calabro discuss Brandon League.
msb - December 23, 2009
well that must just be scintillating
pdb - December 23, 2009
Painful, more like.
inadvertent ear pollution.
msb - December 23, 2009
Good GOD we need an NBA team again.
Just to save Calabro. Why do you make the game’s best play by play man (talking basketball here) into a talk show host? If I was the god of Seattle I would have him doing Huskies, Cougars, Zags, whatever mascot Seattle University has, high school games, etc. every day of the week. That would be his talk show. Doing play by play for basketball games. And I would allow him to say TWO IN THE CAKE ONE IN THE PUDDIN after every three point attempt.
Johnny Slick - December 24, 2009
Redhawks.
He does the Sounders.
Mariner John - December 26, 2009
Kevin Calabro
Is God. You bite your tongue when you speak of him.
TheTank123 - December 24, 2009
He is a terrible talk show host.
BrianL - December 24, 2009
If it weren't for Mike Salk
710 would be useless outside of M’s games and Shannon Drayer’s occasional hello.
Two Rs and Two Ls - December 24, 2009
It could be a lot worse
OlSalty - December 24, 2009
I would think god would have more hair
pdb - December 24, 2009
And be a little better at understanding how non-basketball sports work.
BrettJMiller - December 24, 2009
This post claims to be a brief summary of 'Everything'
when it clearly only relates to the Brandon trade and a few other tidbits. For shame.
marinerdan - December 23, 2009
Seriously. No mentin of string theory, Snufflupagus, Jane Krakowski or Honda Gas Mileage.
I want my money back.
CapSea - December 23, 2009
No post is complete without mention of Snufflupagus though.
Fear - December 23, 2009
Oh shit, he commented below and I didn't even notice.
CapSea - December 23, 2009
Too bad he's imaginary so that when big bird ides his comment will go away.
CapSea - December 23, 2009
noooooooooooooo
I will live on in the mind of delusional muppets for all of eternity
Snuffleupagus - December 23, 2009
Mr. Snuffleupagus is no longer invisible to everybody but Big Bird.
This statistic brought to you by Joe Morgan.
Johnny Slick - December 24, 2009
.
Krakowski?
msb - December 23, 2009
I think this deal can make sense from a 'win in 2010' perspective
Doesn’t this deal make us better in 2010? We’re all pretty upset about missing Morrow’s upside, but we just improved our bullpen – a place in need of improvement.
Also, if we sign a free agent pitcher (something I think will happen now), there wasn’t much room in the lineup for Morrow. With a free agent pitcher in for #4 and Snell at #5, where does Morrow go? Morrow could spend the year in Tacoma, but that doesn’t help us in 2010, and it looks like League’s better control might make him a better reliever.
The real shock of the trade seems to be that we couldn’t get something more somewhere else, but it isn’t implausible that that’s true.
Snuffleupagus - December 23, 2009
At the risk of not regressing League as much as I should, yes, I'd say we're better in 2010.
Teej - December 23, 2009
=D
CapSea - December 23, 2009
<3
SethGrandpa - December 23, 2009
Ahahahahaha!
Goose - December 23, 2009
Time to sign Randy!
Coach Owens - December 23, 2009
Also, I think Z is trying to build a team with the most guys who throw 95+ in the bullpen for the late innings.
Now Lowe, League and Aardsma can all scare batters out of their minds with their wild control and 100 MPH fastballs.
Coach Owens - December 23, 2009
Then why trade Morrow?
Teej - December 23, 2009
I'd rather have League in the bullpen than Morrow.
Coach Owens - December 23, 2009
Well Lowe and League will.
Aardsma is a borderline 96-97 max on his fastball.
Slurvey - December 23, 2009
He's trying to actually hit the target.
Kermit. - December 23, 2009
And still sucks at doing that.
4.29BB/9IP
Slurvey - December 23, 2009
The Reports on Chavez are all over the map.
Dave comped him to Greg Halman. (Chavez hasn’t actually struck out that much, and he’s walked more, but the comp makes sense.)
Over at Fangraphs, Mark Hulet points out that Chavez was second in his league in homers behind a guy who was three years older.
philosofool - December 23, 2009
Jay Yencich isn't all that keen on him either
See his report at Mariner Minors.
The Ancient Mariner - December 23, 2009
Ive read a lot of reports on Chavez
and that is by far the most negative one I have read. He was ranked the #1 Prospect in the Blue Jays Org by Matt Hagan at THT, so it seems people are all over the board with this guy.
Ballard Erik - December 24, 2009
As already stated by philosofool.
Whoops. Add that to the comment.
Ballard Erik - December 24, 2009
Check out Hagan's Mariners list
Here.
Ackley number three, no Moore.
The guy’s not exactly doing a bang-up job of prospect rankings.
JY - December 24, 2009
He lost credibility when he stated Triunfel can stay at SS
Makes me wonder how much research he did before the rankings
Scrupio - December 24, 2009
Anyone trying to cover the whole of the minor leagues is bound to have some oversights.
That’s one of the glaring ones.
It’s a trade-off though. People who only focus on one system tend to have perceptions skewed by some level of favoritism, but are bound to pick up on more. National level coverage is more objective, but less deep or informed.
JY - December 24, 2009
John Sickels' list doesn't have Chavez in the top 20
the general idea is he’s very raw and while the power is good, the other key tools, like zone judgement and bat control, aren’t really there. He may develop and he may not, but it seems his ceiling isn’t terribly high.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
Sickels was working on his list while the trade was being worked on.
He didn’t post it until after it went public, so I’m guessing he was aware of the deal and cut Chavez from discussion for that reason.
JY - December 24, 2009
I asked him
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
So you did!
I don’t know if I see him breaking the M’s top twenty either, but we may be sufficiently depleted at this point.
JY - December 24, 2009
Sigh...
I love what’s going on with the 25 man. But for a farm with very little in the way of SP prospects, Jack sure has decimated what little there was.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
Eh, it was like that before.
Bavasi taking Tillman and Butler out was what did it for us, and I don’t think anyone anticipated the Morrow issues or that Aumont was going to be a reliever, though you can pin that on him if you like. I can’t fault him for Gaby Hernandez or Marwin Vega failing to develop/sucking, but Fister and Hill were decent gets, and before that, there’s always Feierabend.
So Jack traded Ramirez, who I think was a bit overrated anyway considering he never really got a change-up going and had been pretty much treading water for a couple of years, and Williamson, who was realistically a fringy left-hander. He also lost the Jakubostrich, for which marc will never forgive him, Dickey Time and Jake Woods on outright, Souza for Hannahan which may not be that big of a loss, and Adcock/Pribanic/Lorin for Snell. Jack brought in Cleto (who was bogged down in visa issues), Cortes, who is close enough to Ramirez, [Saito], and Robles along with French, Vargas, and Olson at the major league level.
We lost some depth that wasn’t going to help us in the short term and at the major league level became pretty much set with quad-A arms while adding a few enigmas with potential. We didn’t have much to work with in the first place, but even though we gave up perhaps more than I remember giving, I think it probably breaks close to even, all things considered.
JY - December 24, 2009
However, I don't know how muh Sickels bases his assessments on proximity to the majors
I didn’t see many players on his lists below AA so this may be partially a reflection of what he values. Moises Sierra, for example, also did not make the top 20 either.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
The fact that this trade was a straight up swap for the same position says everything
From the very start, I thought this trade happened because the team valued League more than Morrow. That’s part damning of Morrow and part praise of League.
I don’t remember very well, but when I saw the portrait of League when this first broke a few days ago, I actually recognized him. He shut the Mariners down very impressively in a game I caught last year. His command was “on” that day and he looked like a relief ace. My memory is fuzzy, but I think the M’s got to him for a run the next day, but overall, in that brief glimpse, he was a player I wanted. Statistically, he seems like a better version of Morrow out of the pen. And while it seems disappointing that Morrow didn’t carry more value to some team, this was probably the best offer we got this winter, and at least we got a pitcher who looks very promising back. I had kind of given up on Morrow and it looks like Z had too. In that sense, I’m moderately happy about this deal. Not even counting Chavez, we traded a frustrating pitcher with upside for a less frustrating pitcher with upside who is a more likely bet to be a 1 WAR pitcher in 2010. I’m ok with that.
kearly - December 23, 2009
This is pretty simple folks
and I’m not sure why everyone wants to make it more difficult than it needs to be. Brandon Morrow wasn’t all that great. He could turn into something, but likely he will not. Z saw an opportunity to upgrade the bullpen for ‘10. I’m not disappointed. I don’t think it was bad.
I think that the mishandling of Morrow from the beginning likely ruined any chance he had to turn into a decent starter.
David Piper - December 23, 2009
I think most people get that
but the timing is what doesn’t make sense. If Morrow’s value is this terrible around the league (a very similar player and a mediocre prospect), then why not hold on to him? Outside of him blowing an arm out, I don’t know how much lower his worth could dip. Might as well keep the guy that’s cheaper, has starter potential, and is under club control for longer.
As things stand right now, this trade is a headscratcher, and doesn’t have the Jack Z trademark. Because I want to kiss GMZ on the mouth, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt on this, and assuming something else is coming that will pull back the veil and result in much epiphanizing.
Spider Jerusalem - December 23, 2009
The answers
Are basically right here.
ThundaPC - December 23, 2009
That pretty clearly sums it up
Morrow was not wanted here so he was traded for a necessary piece.
TheTank123 - December 24, 2009
I don't give two tugs on a dead dog's dick about what you think
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
There has to be a bettter way to get your point across
than referencing the servicing of a dead animal. You can get thrown in jail for that ya know.
TheTank123 - December 24, 2009
His name screen name is Spider Jerusalem
he’s into that stuff.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
I think you are incorrect
I think it is perfectly legal to service a dead dog.
Edgar for Pres - December 24, 2009
Well it's sort of a grey area apparently
although in this case it is a deer and not man’s best friend.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
good to know
Seems like the logic is a little faulty. Assault seems like a strange thing to call it.
Edgar for Pres - December 24, 2009
The trade is a headscratcher, unless it's just a step to another trade.
Some GMs value a proven closer much higher than they need to. Aardsma/Lowe are now expendable and League can step right in there.
Sinking Away - December 24, 2009
After reflecting I realized Brandon Morrow's closer walk out song Hot n Cold wasn't that far off.
Slurvey - December 23, 2009
It was pretty much perfect
gregrabble - December 24, 2009
The only better song owuld have been the hit single
Walk the World by the medical-rap group Tha Diabetiks.
Bearskin Rugburn - December 24, 2009
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