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Chone Figgins Bullet Points

I'm kind of jumping the gun here, which I know I could easily regret should this whole story fall apart - nothing is yet official - but the language around the rumor is strong and now's when I have some time, so, onward. If the Mariners don't end up signing Figgins, then boy will there be egg on my face, but whatever. I'll take the risk.

  • Remember that this rumor just popped up for the first time last night. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, the Mariners went from potential fit to leading contender to being on the verge of a contract. Things happen fast in the offseason. Rumors that are slow to develop and drag out almost never come to fruition, unless they involve Erik Bedard.

  • It's been suggested several times in the past that being a sports fan is nothing more than rooting for laundry. This could end up being the ultimate test of that hypothesis, as the Mariners' signing one of the most hated Angels opens the door for the Angels to sign one of our most beloved Mariners. Speaking for myself, I already know I'm going to welcome Figgins with open arms, and I know that Beltre in LAnaheim would become a target of derision, and I can't even imagine how I would explain that to me in 2008, or Me in 2006. Sports do funny things to people. How you feel about a team seldom changes, but how you feel about a player can reverse itself at the drop of a hat, like how you feel about a laptop.

  • This team ranked #1 in infield hits and #4 in bunt hits before adding Figgins. With all the contact, the infield hits, the bunts, the speed, the defense, and the lack of power, the Mariners have to be the odds-on favorite to be baseball's most annoying team in 2010. We liked to joke around that this team played Angels baseball a year ago, but now they're taking it to a whole other level. We're going to win at least, I dunno, 80 games, and fans of the other teams are never going to know how they lost. It's going to be embarrassing, and awesome.

  • A lot of people are going to focus on the fact that Figgins has hit just nine home runs over the past three seasons. "The Mariners need power!" they'll say. "You can't score runs if you don't have power!" Don't listen to those people. Teams don't need power. They need production. Production is measured by wOBA. Figgins is a pretty safe bet to post a good wOBA. Remember, wOBA isn't misleading - it's a direct measure of the things players do to produce runs. A player with a wOBA of .340 and 30 home runs will be just as valuable offensively as a player with a wOBA of .340 and 5 home runs. Power is one way to generate offense, but it is one way of several, and Figgins will help this offense.

  • Rosenthal predicted a deal around $36m/4yr and Jon Heyman just said $35m/4yr, so that seems to be where it's settling. The only thing that troubles me about this deal is the fourth year. Four years is a long contract for a guy that turns 32 next January. But remember, long-term contracts only really become a major issue when they pile on top of one another. Last year, thanks to Bill Bavasi, the Mariners had huge money tied up in guys like Kenji Johjima, Miguel Batista, Carlos Silva, and Jarrod Washburn, The year before had all the same guys, plus Richie Sexson and Jose Vidro. Stacked together, those contracts have been a serious impediment. However, as of now, Figgins is the only commitment made for 2013. He's the only one on the books. So even if he declines and becomes a significantly less valuable player, then as long as Zduriencik is smart about the rest of his transactions, Figgins' contract won't pose much of a problem. Not that it would be fine if he started to suck or anything, but it wouldn't kill us. No single mid-level contract can really hurt a team with as much money as the Mariners.

  • At ~$9m a season, Figgins is getting paid like a ~2-win player. Fangraphs says he's been worth 11.6 wins over the past three years despite not playing in 97 total games. Figgins is better than a two-win player, which makes this the rare free agent contract that looks like a value from the beginning. Coming into the winter, the Mariners knew they had to be efficient with their money in order to turn this team into a winner. Getting a 3+ win player at a 2-win price is a positive step. Figgins isn't a bargain, but he's arguably the best reasonable fit for the position, and we got him at a better price than you'd expect. That's neat. It's a good enough deal to make up for the lost draft pick.

  • I scheduled a week-long vacation to the East Coast, beginning tonight, that's going to keep me away during the winter meetings. At first I felt guilty, since everybody loves the winter meetings, but then I started to get excited about the freedom. That said, even with my excitement, I'm thrilled that what will likely be the Mariners' biggest move of the offseason is getting ~done before I leave. Really alleviates the guilt.

  • Figgins is a switch-hitter, which just makes me so damn happy, but it's worth noting  that his numbers are far better from the left side. He's not worthless as a righty, and his ability to draw a walk keeps him productive, but he does have a platoon split.

  • Dave talked about it yesterday, but one of the advantages Figgins presents over Beltre is that his versatility gives the team a lot of options. He's probably going to end up playing third, but because he can play third, second, and in the outfield, he leaves the FO with some flexibility as they work out what to do about Jose Lopez and how much trust they should put in Michael Saunders. Figgins? Bill Hall? Jack Hannahan? Matt Tuiasosopo? Could this team be more versatile? They have so much flexibility that it's borderline annoying.

  • I mentioned it in yesterday's comment thread, but don't get too worked up over Figgins' crazy defensive numbers last season. He's not a +15 player at third. He's more like a +5. He's good, but he's not Beltre-good. Textbook example of how you need more than one year of defensive data to reach a conclusion.

  • Figgins led the AL in walks last year. I've mentioned it before, but Figgins drew more unintentional walks in 2009 than Jose Lopez has drawn in his career. For those of you who grew tired of Beltre swinging his way out of at bats, Figgins couldn't have a more different approach. Figgins swings at about 37% of pitches. Beltre swings at about 52%. About 79% of the pitches Figgins swung at last year were in the zone, as opposed to Beltre's 66%. His discipline is a big part of what allows him to succeed despite having so little power. Discipline and ability to make contact.

  • I don't know if it's real or scoring error, but Figgins has consistently posted line drive rates well above the league average. 24% for his career. His career BABIP on all three major types of balls in play - grounders, fly balls, and line drives - is also better than the league average. 

  • Figgins loves to run, but he's no Ichiro. His career SB success rate of 74% is close to the break-even point. It'll be interesting to see if he's just naturally aggressive, or if a change in coaching staffs will make him a little more selective on the basepaths. Not that he necessarily needs to be. He'll get caught a lot, but as long as he's north of 70% or so, he's helping.

  • Something like $16m or so left to find a starting pitcher, a first baseman, and a DH. Assuming Branyan at $5-6m or so, the Mariners will still have some room to work with. They could make a play for Rich Harden and fill 1B with a cheap trade, or they could put more resources towards 1B and settle for something less sexy on the mound. I'd expect the former.

  • No Chone Figgins name jokes. They're stupid. Anybody who makes a Chone Figgins name joke is stupid. Knock it off.

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Comments

Geeze, I hope this deal actually gets done

This is sure a lot of talking about something that hasn’t been confirmed in any way yet.

That said, I’d be happy to have him aboard

I really hope this gets done.

Part of it is that I like Figgins as a player a lot, and the other part of it is that I just want something to FUCKING HAPPEN

You're mighty impatient considering we haven't even gotten to the winter meetings yet
What will Sodo Mojo post on if nothing happens?

they’re not exactly known as the beer blog of the Mariners blogosphere

That has been part of it

However we’re working on something pretty giant right now, so there’s no shortage of work to do

I'm always impatient

I can’t stand the first 2 months of the off season

Perhaps you should take a seat then
Fuck this.

I’m standing.

I can handle the first two months.

It’s the dead period from mid-January to mid-February that gets me, as there are few deals going down and Winter League baseball is pretty much done.

And everyone starts with the spring training fluff bullshit

“But Carlos Silva is in the best shape of his life and has a renewed attitude!”

"Pitcher uses new grip to create dominant pitch!"
Well, for me, I'm much more of a Mariners fan right now than I ever have been in the past

So there’s a real good chance I’ll hate that time period as well.

I'm all for bringing him in to replace Beltre.

Remember the M’s nickname commercial? Where they try to come up with a nickname for Randy Winn.

“This is the guy who came up with Cammy, Nelly, and Shiggy…that’s right…and Shiggy.”

And now…Figgy

Like you said, Jeff, my hate towards Figgins stemmed from him being a useful player on a rival team.

I’d gladly take Figgins in a Mariners’ uniform.

Likewise

But since when has Beltre been “one of our most beloved Mariners?”

He's always been one of mine.
Hand waving here!
I've loved Beltre since the first day he put on an M's uniform.
Let's all celebrate this deal with some nice Figgins pudding!
Rooting for laundry...

…was that whole observation started by Seinfeld, or has that been going on long before Jerry Seinfeld became a major star?

I'll be so damn happy if this happens

Jeff, i don’t think I’ve ever seen you write so many positive stuff about one person before.

He's just an apologist for the front office now
Something I just noticed - Chone Figgins is, at 5'8", one of the shortest players in all of baseball.

How do people feel about this?

Taller
We'll have to see how tall he is, next to Ichiro,
Either bigger or smaller, but certainly not the same size.
You and Divish both...
It just means we're in the lead for WAR / foot
Finally a player Drayer can stand tall next to ;-)

Seriously i love Ms. Drayer, but have you ever stood next to her? She’s amazingly short. Made my 5 foot 1 wife feel really tall for the first time in her life :-)

five eight isn't short
It's pretty short.
A noble spirit emfiggins the smallest man.
I like how everyone is trolling the crap out of Jeff now that he's gone
He's gone?
7th bullet point down.
I scheduled a week-long vacation to the East Coast, beginning tonight, that’s going to keep me away during the winter meetings.
Oh wow my mistake. Sorry buddy.
Yes and it is very immature guys.

C’mon guys be respectful

Drayer is due up on 710
.

one reason they likely won’t announce it, as they have to wait on Beltre’s arbitration decision. She said AB told her that he didn’t really care where he played — he wants to get to the playoffs

No jokes, but I will still refuse to pronounce his as if it was "Shawn."

“Creative” parents can fuck off.

Yes, all those naming their kid "Sean" are out of line also.
Also, there's the matter of Mr. Dunston
Growing up I thought those kids were named "Seen".
Isn't Sean really a variant of John anyway?
Yeah, the Irish variant I believe.
John=Ian=Cian=Shawn=Sean=Chone

Easy.

with the De mixed in for the helluva it
Ivan, Juan, Jan, Gianni, Jean, Jhonny
Scottish variant as well.

And if it’s not Scottish, it’s crap!

According to Wikipedia, Sean means "Yahweh is gracious" [citation needed]
So yes, it's the same as John.
That's an efficient use of letters right there
Human language really is amazing.

A single word that means both an entire sentence AND the need to find source for that sentence.

But that pronunciation/spelling is rooted in Gaelic

“Chone” has no non-English etymology to justify the weird spelling

How does etymology evolve if naming conventions don't?
Change for the sake of change is stupid and what not
There's always justification!

That’s “ch-” from Champagne and “-one” from Gone. Duh, man

It's pronounced "ghotie"
They actually named him Desmond DeChone so....

I’ll call him “D.D.”

Yeah, only boring and stodgy parents will do! Creativity is doody!
You can be creative with names without making one up out of nowhere.

Just pick one from an underused ethnicity, or one that fell out of fashion 400 years ago.

That’s what I did.

The underused ethnicity in your case being Druid?
The new creativity is old-timey names.

Hank, Molly, Mabel, that sort of thing.

Can we just give him a nickname...

…and be done with it?

As long as it's not Fig Newton
I'm going with Chone
I'm going with Dave eats whale nuts.
I thought Robert did...
I say we call him Fig Newton.
This is disgusting
It was just for you Corco.
Although I didn't do it to be creative

I have a child with a less commonly spelled version of his name that everybody mis-pronounces and/or mis-spells. So, I kindly say to you “fuck off.”

You should have a child with a really funny name that people bully him for

That way he either grows through all of the adversity to become an amazing human being or snaps, goes on a rampage, and you don’t have to worry about college

Like Graham Cracker
Yes you'd be amazed how uncommon the name 'Graham' is in the United Kingdom
I bet Graham is going to name his kid something really androgenous

like Leslie for a boy or Dylan for a girl

LESLIE IS A BOY'S NAME
Originally, yes
Americans are stupid
Leslie wears girl pants.
Your mom is stupid
Seems that this response was better left for Corco
You stupid slanty eyes are stupid
Your stupid half-slanty eyes make you look like a double wannabe

oooooohhhh

My hair covers my eyes you yellow prick
Good call. I'll name my next boy "Sue"

And then he’ll grow up all tough and write a song about it

I actually had this discussion on Wednesday night

I think it would be cool to name your kid “Truck.”

TRUCKASAURUS!
See? Perfect for him when he's in college

How bitching would that name be? And when he’s acting like a douchebag while in college he can ask the ladies if they want a Truck fuck

My former co worker (and WSU soroity girl)

Said she made out with a guy named truck and later that night her BF got truck’d by him.

This is disgusting
I'm going with Jett.
Everyone will assume his name is Jeff and that someone made a typo
Which will be awesome.

My brother is naming his name Marta in hopes that the name is unattractive enough that no one wants to procreate with her.

Holy shit

*his daughter.

Marta is pretty.
The only Marta I know is attractive and is getting a PhD in physics

He should be careful what he wishes for

He would wish against a attractive daughter with a physics degree?
It goes against his hopes, surely?
Hold on I'll ask.
He said masters in physics for the win.
The marta I knew looked like Captain Lou Albano
People always assume I make a typo with my kid's name and call him Evan instead of Eyan

Fuck, that pisses me off. That also happens with my last name, like when people ask for Mr. Bell

"Hello - can I speak with Evan Bell?"
He'll get that plenty

Lucky though, because that is almost always an indicator that it is a solicitor on the line

Evan is a badass name.

At least I think it is. Can’t go wrong either way.

I understand that my last name is uncommon and that mispronunciations are going to happen.

Generally it doesn’t bother me all that much, especially when people make the mistake of over pronunciation because at least then I know they’re trying. When people pronounce the -peau as “pow” or add letters (which happens all the time, my favorite being “Cap-e-no” I want to stab them.

Oh good lord, is it bad if one of my cousin's children is actually named Jett?
Sadly its becoming popular and by the time I actually have kids.

I’ll feel like a tool.

Just another reason to hate John Travolta.
It's ok.

God took care of that mistake.

My favourite name right now is D'Brickashaw.
KU basketball has a guy named

Markeiff

has to be in the discussion

Another addition to the "dude parents, why did you go away from the normal names all of a sudden" book

Markus & Markeiff Morris
Justin, Aaron and Jrue Holiday
James and Jacquizz Rodgers

My favorite trend is Ja, De, La

Take a completly common name and just one of those to the front. For example: JaMarcus, DeMarcus, LaMarcus, LaMicheal.

Somewhat related

my sister went to HS with a set of Vietnamese triplets named Anh, Thu and Thuy.

No, no, college basketball has always been the elite for name...Markeiff is like second tier.

While we’re still waiting for the next SirValiant Brown, Exree Hipp or Scientific Mapp, we’ve got a guy at Siena named Just’In-love Smith, a guy named Bak Bak at Cal, and Alibaba Odd at Delaware state.

This is the most brilliant idea I've ever heard ever
Isn't Graham's idea just the gist of Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue?"

I know less about country music than anyone alive, but that still popped into my head. The idea isn’t exactly old.

*isn't exactly new, rather
Yeah, see my comment above
Except for the not worrying about college part

I never thought about it from that angle, and that tips it

I have a really funny name that people bullied me for

But I’m still a pretty shitty human being and I’m currently attending college.

If I knew someone named I Lick Squirrels I'd make fun of them too
Licking squirrels was actually a recourse for the bullying I recieved as a child.

Every day after school, I’d run into the woods and lick squirrel after squirrel, wiping my tears off on their fur.

Uncommonly spelled or uncommon names with actual etymology are okay.

Fake names or names-that-aren’t-names are not. But they’re not my kids so I don’t really care all that much.

I don't think creativity was an issue here
I don't have a problem with it

It’s just stupid when you get yelled at for mispronouncing a name like ‘Chone’ when you’ve never been exposed to it before. As if you are magically supposed to be able to read the intended pronunciation without help.

But once you know that his name is pronounced "Shawn," it's stupid to continue to pronounce it incorrectly on purpose
Or it could be a mark of disdain which is perfectly reasonable
Well this went way off topic
We've done much worse

And besides, the context was at least kinda there still

Shut it Jett.
A simple error

The top of that looks like a puppy head!
It's a crucifix wearing a toupée.
Ichiro and Figgins hitting back-to-back, yeah I can't see how that would be annoying.

I’d hate us if I didn’t love us.

My inner internet troll loves this Ichiro-Figgins leadoff combo.
That's one of the reasons I like it.

I really hope Jack Wilson is the 9 hitter.

It's going to take opposing pitchers 30 pitches to get through our first two hitters.

With Ichiro fouling off 13 in a row and Figgins patients.

How many patients does Dr. Figgins have for pitchers to get through?

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Hmm, depends on the time of the year. Could be a lot if it's flu season.
No, no, it's not Dr. Figgins

He’s obviously referring to patients suffering from Figgins disease, since he used no apostrophe to denote possession

Possibly, it does sound like something Mariners fans have suffered from.
I hope we don't face Grienke next year

I don’t know if he’s fully recovered mentally, and I’d hate for the Mariners to be responsible for a backslide.

Four years is lengthy.

But for me, that’s kind of eased by Chone Figgins versatility of playing LF and several IF positions. If he falls off the cliff by the fourth year he’s at worst what, an expensive backup utility player? Better than being an anchor blocking a particular position.

This is why I don't mind the 4th year

It’s not like he’s gonna be like Sexson or Vidro and block a position where we could easly find someone better for.

Ah, dammit

Missed the guidelines; I’m stupid already. :/

I don't think Figgins plays all 4 years in Seattle.

JackZ will trade him as soon as the young guys fill the holes. If Saunders(LF), Achley(2B), and Triunfel(3B) all fill their ML positions by the end of 2012; Figgins will be flipped for a few prospects. My guess is he is on the team for 2 or 3 years, but not 4.

I just don’t see the 4th year happening. If the rookies are all on track to break camp by 2013, Figgins will be in the role of utility/bench player. Even the very best utility players don’t usually get paid 10 million by a smart club.

Whatever, probably foolish to make guesses for several years down the road, since there are a lot of varibles.

And this might actually be doable

The best laugh I had all day was hearing that the Angels are working “very hard” at moving Gary Mathews Jr. At almost $12M a year for the next two, this is going to be a shit ton of work, so that’s good news for Angels fans. It’s also nice to know that they have their very own Carlos Silva.

At $9-10, Figgins should contact should be moveable if the M’s head that route.

is the value that huge?

not a terrible potential contract or anything, but I’m not sure there’s a ton of value in it either… seems like more or less, the M’s are getting what they are paying for

considering that a big chunk of Desmond’s value is in his defense, which we would assume is a still hidden or undervalued part of a player’s FA value, I’m a little surprised Dr. Z isn’t getting more of a bargain here

I think most of his value is with the bat to be honest
fair enough...

his defensive #s are all over the place, but it was nearly 50% of his value last season (according to WAR)

I can't imagine anyone expects him to repeat his defensive performance from last year

It’s a fluke, and the Mariners know it. They’re paying him to get on base, play a position competently, and annoy the hell out of everyone else

In 3000 innings at 3B since 2007

Figgins is about +21 runs according to UZR. That works out to roughly 9.5 runs/150 games. 3000 innings is quite full seasons, but I think based on this evidence, we can an UZR/150 of 7.5 is a good estimate.

I'd go with +5 runs from defence

That’s not much value compared to his bat

Well +5 +position

but yeah

I'm not so sure--

He’s averaged about +7 runs offensively for his career. I’d have to think his defense might be a bit better than that — maybe more like +8. He’s providing roughly equal value there without considering a positional adjustment.

There's no point in differentiating between +5 and +8 in the field
I was comparing his hitting and defensive value and making the point that they are roughly equal

You could consider his position and baserunning as well, but he pretty much gives around equal value on both sides of the…uh, ball.

What kind of wOBA do you project him at for 2010 & on?

something like .355 with an upside to ~.380?

.350 doesn't seem unreasonable
That's more or less his park-neutral projection
Figgins has been 32 runs above average the last three years

People know he can hit a little. He’s not exactly Endy Chavez. I don’t think the value here is huge, but we did better than I thought we could on the FA market.

Carp and a AAAA players with potential would be a cost effective combo

for 1B. Something along the lines of Steve Pearce or Josh Whitesell would be interesting now that Jake Fox was grabbed by the As. They could also grab DH time when Griffey or whoever they sign, is not DHing. Hannahan would be in their also if you want to send Carp of the AAAA player down for depth.

There's that whole "not wanting a lineup with three rookies" thing.

Carp is unfortunately not as highly thought of as Tui/Moore/Saunders

It's interesting the difference in how LL and HH are taking this news

You guys seem pretty happy about this happening, while most of us over at Halos Heaven are basically saying “good riddance”.

I think the Angels will miss him, but I understand why so many are not disappointed he’s leaving…Brandon Wood. A lot of us feel it’s time for Wood to get his shot at a full-time job, and Figgins is blocking that.

I had hoped he signed with Philadelphia, not another AL West team.

Well really,

At the absolute worst at $9 Million a year we get a guy who can play multiple positions in a pinch. We’re talking between 0 and +1 win here. Chone Figgins projects to be a +3 to +4 win player in 2010 and we’re paying him to be a +2 win player next year and beyond. We’re basically paying Figgins to be average and anything above that is gravy.

I kinda got a kick out of those in HH suggesting that this contract will hurt us in the long run, though. We’re currently paying $12 Million a year for a jolly greasy fat guy for the next two years. We’ll actually be in better shape financially towards the end of Figgins’ contract.

And just last year we had Silva, Batista, Johjima, AND Washburn sucking up +$40 Million of the payroll.

Welcome aboard, Chone.

Our secret plan is to steal away all the Angels players that annoy us.
So...

Brian Fuentes
Matt Palmer
Joe Saunders
Jeff Mathis
GMJ
Torii Hunter
Macier Izturis
Kendry Morales
Reggie Willits
Erick Aybar
others?

I don't want GMJ unless the Angels pay us to take him.

Otherwise, that’s a good list.

Are Mariners fans just really smart?

Or are Angels and Rangers fans just really dumb? Some of the stuff they’re saying over there is laughable.

It's better if you just don't read their stuff.

But for fairness’ sake there are plenty of dumb Mariners fans too.

LL encourages smart people to participate and discourages stupid people from participating.

Like OlSalty says, there are plenty of stupid Mariners fans and plenty of smart Rangers/Angels fans.

His name is just so funny!

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