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A Case for John Lackey Being Overvalued

Lackey's name has been getting tossed around a lot this winter, in general and specifically as a potential target for the Mariners. Sometimes included in the pro-Lackey rhetoric has been some form of the phrase 'best starting pitcher available'. I hate that sentiment. Just because someone is the best available free agent that winter is not justification for a high salary. Consider that previous 'best available pitchers' include Carlos Silva and Barry Zito. What matters is whether the pitcher is worth his projected value. Where that projected production falls on the available list should have no rational bearing* on the value of that production.

*There is a scarcity of goods argument to be made, but it's not a weighty one and is left out here for simplicity's sake.

John Lackey's tRAs have ranged from 3.5 to 4.0 to 5.2 and back down to 4.1 over the last four seasons. It would seem difficult to get a read on him given those numbers. Turning to tRA* in order to regress the variable home run rates and such back a bit, we have the following figures for 2006-9: 4.4, 4.4, 4.6 and 4.4. Well now, that seems much easier to deal with.

Here is where I my internal red flags begin getting raised. First of all, 51 starts over the prior two seasons. Rich Harden has the same 51 starts. I don't buy John Lackey, at age 31 and coming off two years of sub-30 starts, as a work horse. So why pay him like one? Projecting forward, you have to consider him a 180-inning pitcher and when factoring in a four or longer season contract, you are probably better off dropping that down to 170 or innings.

Lackey's first pitch strike percentage dropped from a career rate around 65% to 63% last year. Not much, but when coupled with a rising percentage in pitches thrown taken for a ball, it gives me some pause as to his control post-injuries. Lackey has been consistently above average on walk rate and even with these signs, is a good bet to stay so. Perhaps just not as far above average going forward. Most damning of all to me is this: 10.2%, 9.7%, 8.8%, 8.5%, 8.3%. Those are Lackey's swinging strike rates from 2005 to 2009 in chronological order. That is a downward trend and not a subtle one either. In other words, projecting Lackey, I expect slightly more walks and considerably fewer strikeouts.

Coupled with his always pedestrian batted ball lines, and where does Lackey stand out? You're looking at average strikeouts, above average, but not stellar, control and average ground balls paired with average durability. What part of this screams top of the rotation pitcher to you?

Now, that's not to say Lackey is bad. Calling back to the tRA*s above, he is decently reliable for a pitcher. The problem is that the reliable level that he's on is just nowhere near the level that he seems to be getting hyped at. A 4.4 tRA is worth just over three wins assuming 180 innings. CHONE's projection is for a 4.0 FIP and 186 innings, worth about 3.3 wins. Given his consistency, over the course of a four or so year contract you might be able to get away with expecting 3.0 to 3.5 wins per year on average over the life on the contract, though I would hold at three wins. Problem is, that's worth about $14 million a year on market value and about $13 million a year on a multi-year contract.

So yeah, if the Mariners were to ink Lackey on a 4/52 deal, I would shrug my shoulders and learn to live with it. The problem is the hype surrounding Lackey is nowhere near 4/52 or 5/65 but is more in the 5/80 range. Let me reiterate, 4/52 is the level that I would perceive to be fair market value for Lackey, not a deal I would be happy with or even call good.

Nearly anyone can be a good deal at the right price. Three months ago, I loathed the idea of pursuing Chone Figgins. He was coming off a gargantuan career year and I figured he was going to command $12-13 million a year. Yesterday came and I love that we signed Chone Figgins because we got him for $9 million. Which is to say, who knows. Maybe I'm wrong and John Lackey will sign for a reasonable amount. In that case, sure.* I'm not betting on it though. Are you?

*No, not really. I couldn't stand watching John Lackey for four or more years.

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Comments

Well put

I’ve been pulling since the beginning of free agency that we don’t sign Lackey. It just feels to me like we’d be getting into Jarrod Washburn 2.0

Lakey's certainly a better pitcher than Washburn was.

If we get the kind of pitching we would expect from Lackey along with the duarability Washburn showed, he would be a good signing

Yeah but they're different pitchers and this one is not all that durable
Washburn averaged fewer than 180 innings a year.

You are saying that if you got the performance from Lackey outlined above, over the amount of time outlined above, it would be a good signing.

Which is a pointless platitude since whether it’s a good signing or not is majorly based on the cost.

I'm not saying it would be a good signing.

I hate the idea of long-term deals to pitchers. If I was a GM, I’d do everything i could to avoid them. Too little return on investment overall.

But at a reasonable cost, if he were to pitch as expected and be as durable as Washburn was, wouldn’t that turn out well for the M’s? 180 innings a year from a starter is bad?

Once Zduriencik signs a pitcher long term...

…I’ll believe that he’ll do it. Otherwise I’m expecting a couple years (2) max.

And I mean a pitcher, not a demigod like Felix.

That's what we signed Silva for.

God.

I've been waiting to see someone write something like this. Lackey scares me.

Harden makes so much more sense. Even if sign him, he makes 30 starts/throws 180 innings, and he goes nuts with a 2.50 ERA or something in 2010 (using ERA for Elias/buzz reasons), his injury history would still make him easier to sign for 2011-2012 (2 years, maybe 24 million at max) than Lackey.

Depending on the starting pitching market next year, that is.
Speaking of tRA and multiple years, when are we going to see tRA projections?
Same, same

Although I would probably come at it from a different angle. It’s just so risky signing pitchers to long-term deals. Too many of them turn out real bad to make that approach seem worthwhile.

Great article Matthew, thanks!

I agree, I dont want to see 5/80 for Lackey, I dont see why he should get that much, and the long, big contracts to pitchers are by far the riskies contracts, the ones that can turn into albatrosses and hamstring the club for years, like Silva.

4/52 is more reasonable but doesnt really price in the risk of injury very well. It would be ok but we’d have to pray he doesnt get hurt. I’d rather get Harden for just a couple years. Still injury risk but at 2 years and less money the risk is far less.

We’d be better off getting Harden and Nick Johnson, rather than an expensive Lackey.
If you have extra money to spend, get a year of Mike Cameron, or get Branyan + Nick Johnson, or something like that.

This might be faulty logic so please let me know

If the only outcomes are that he plays for us or he plays for the Angels, can we incorporate the value of “stealing” him from the Angels?

If Lackey is on the Angels and pitches around 14 IP against us that is worth around 0.25 WAR. Should this be taken into account at all because we won’t have to face a good pitcher twice a year.

My gut says it doesn’t matter because the Angels will likely use the money they would have spent on Lackey to upgrade their team in other ways. Maybe we should be rooting for the Angels to sign Lackey so that they don’t use their money on better value in the FA market.

It's not necessarily faulty logic,

just introducing needless complexity.

You’d also have to factor in the lack of draft pick compensation should the Angels re-sign Lackey, versus having another one of our draft picks were we to sign him and so on.

Given their alleged pricetags, I would rather sign Pineiro or another reclamation project

rather than pursue Lackey

Yeah I want no part of Lackey

His price isnt going to come down enough to the figures and years that would be wise to give him.

Irrational bias against Pineiro aside, (and I still don’t think he’s really as good as advertised last year) he’s an interesting possibility to explore. Wonder what the batted ball profiles on his sinker were, specifically.

Great article on that over at Fangraphs

Free Agent Joel Pineiro

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