So, with the Fields saga over, we're pretty confident in where we'll be picking in the very early rounds of June's Rule Four draft. The only complication lies in whether or not Crow will cave and sign on with the Nationals. If he does, each of our picks (save the second overall) will be bumped up by 1 Edit: I'm a moron. The second rounds and above won't be determined until the beginning of the season, due to unsigned type A and B picks floating around.
Anyway, I thought it might be an interesting little exercise to take a look at where we'll be picking this year and how those spots have turned out historically, so let's see where the first and supplemental rounds of the draft will take us.

#2
2008: Pedro Alvarez, 3B. Great hitter, ranked as the #4 prospect in the country by BP this year. Has yet to play professionally, as a contract dispute with the Pirates lasted until late September.
2007: Mike Moustakas, SS. Another top prospect, spent last year as a well above average hitter in A+, despite being fairly young for the league. BP has him ranked #21 overall going into 2009.
2006: Greg Reynolds, RHP. I have no idea why this happened. He's been pretty terrible over his professional career.
2005: Alex Gordon, 3B. Destroyed college and then the minor league, hasn't translated that success to the majors as of yet.
2004: Justin Verlander, RHP. Good pitcher with great stuff but spotty command. Miscast as an ace and overrated in general.
#27
2008: Carlos Gutierrez, RHP. Torii Hunter compensation for the Twins, Gutierrez signed in time to play last season, putting up average numbers as a reliever in A+. Nothing to write home about as of yet.
2007: Rick Porcello, RHP. Possibly the best arm in the 2007 draft, Porcello dropped to the Tigers due to signability reasons. He's been excellent as a pro, and is currently ranked #7 by BP.
2006: Jason Place, OF. I have no idea who this is. Has yet to post an above average season as a hitter.
2005: Joey Devine, RHP. Oakland ended up acquiring him from the Braves as the centrepiece of the Kotsay trade. Has been a well above average reliever since 2007.
2004: Taylor Tankersly, LHP. Mediocre reliever for the Marlins.
#33
2008: Brad Holt, RHP. Great fastball/curve combo for the Mets, probably needs a change to succeed as a starter.
2007: Jon Gilmore, 3B. Mind-bogglingly terrible in A-ball last year, picked himself up after a demotion. Still making the transition from SS to third.
2006: Emmanuel Burriss, SS. Currently in the mix for the Giant's 2B job going into next season. Bat should be serviceable for a middle infielder.
2005: John Drennen, OF. Once a promising bat, Drennen's development has stagnated in high-A ball.
2004: Justin Orenduff, RHP: A catastrophic 2008 has undone most of the good work from 2007. Currently looks like bullpen fodder at best.
We'll also probably have pick #46, notable for Yovani Gallardo in 2004.
We have a pretty good chance of grabbing at least a top-20 prospect for next year, and it looks like there's every chance that this draft could revitalise the farm completely. But nothing is guaranteed, which is what makes this so much fun. At January's feed, Tom McNamara described the upcoming draft as the most important in Mariner history. If you're not excited for it, even though we've given up #22 in exchange for Josh Fields, I don't know what to tell you.
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Rocky Mountain High?
I thought this was rumored to be a fraidy cat “low cost” pick (3.25 million) by the Rockies because they, like us, didn’t want to bust slot for Andrew Miller (3.55 signing bonus + annoying stipulations and didn’t sign twice with two previous draft selections [2003, 2006]).
Tho I don’t know how anybody is retarded enough to let Evan Longoria go past them, even WITH hindsight being a bitch. Just inexcusable.
The Typical Idiot Fan - February 16, 2009
I seem to remember people talking about Longoria as a low risk/low upside guy at the time of the draft.
Like Jeff Cirillo’s numbers at Coors. Obviously they were wrong to do so, but for some reason this is what sticks in my head.
Double06 - February 16, 2009
Book is still out on him
He had shoulder soreness in 2007 that shut him down until end of season. He had arthoscopic surgery in the winter but I do not think they discovered anything. He was still rated well after the draft and BA rated him as their #98 prospect at the start of 2008( take that as you will). I have no idea how much remains of his stuff after the mystery injury but his line is obviously not pretty.
tdot mariner fan - February 16, 2009
Reply fail
Double06 - February 16, 2009
Joe Randa was a comparison thrown around pretty heavily.
R.J. Anderson - February 17, 2009
Reynolds
was more of a 10 pick so while being an overdraft he wasn’t that far from the realm of possibility (for example on site ranked him as the next best pitcher after Morrow who we picked with the 5th overall choice) He had a shoulder injury after the draft which made the pick look worse then it was (assuming they did there homework and the injury was after signing) He kind of reminds me of Jeremy Guthrie who is another Stanford alum. Reynolds could definitely stand to strikeout more batters but being as tall as he is he should also be able to get some good sink on his pitches
Trenchtown - February 16, 2009
Crow can't sign
That shipped has sailed.
davidcameron - February 16, 2009
This is the first I've heard of definititives - I just thought it was extremely unlikely
What’s the deal there?
Graham MacAree - February 16, 2009
The deadline was August 15th
The only reason Fields was still eligible was because he was a college senior.
davidcameron - February 16, 2009
Oops.
Graham MacAree - February 16, 2009
Aaron Crow cannot be signed by the Nationals at this point, Graham
esoteric - February 16, 2009
Damn. Late.
esoteric - February 16, 2009
I feel like your
appraisal of Gordon sells him short a little bit. He made significant strides with the bat last year and is at least league average defensively. Next year will be more telling as to whether he takes another step forward but the way you phrased it makes it sound like he is hitting like Kevin Kouzmanoff when he was better then that especially in the 2nd half. Even if he doesn’t improve from last year and plays at that level for the next half decade it would be hard to call him a bust.
Trenchtown - February 16, 2009
He is hitting like Kevin Kouzmanoff.
But that’s not such a bad thing. Both are solid third basemen.
Teej - February 16, 2009
No he is not
Kouzmanoff’s wOBA last year was .316 last year compared to Gordon’s .344 which is about a 9 run difference over a season. Gordon’s bat is about a win better then Kouz who might have had a down year and Gordon is two years younger
Trenchtown - February 16, 2009
His 2008 was pretty bad.
But the year before, he was above average at the plate.
Looking at StatCorner wOBA* numbers so we can park-adjust:
Gordon 07: .319
Gordon 08: .351
Kouz 07: .351
Kouz 08: .332
Yes, going forward, my money’s on Gordon because he’s younger and has better plate discipline. But regarding Kouz, there has been some good along with the bad.
Teej - February 16, 2009
This might be a bit of an exaggeration.
Gordon looks to be the better hitter going forward because he can actually take a pitch, but I like to defend Kouzmanoff. He’s not as bad as people make him out to be.
Teej - February 16, 2009
Defend Kouz on his defense
he rates slightly above average in both PMR and UZR last year despite a dreadful reputation
Trenchtown - February 16, 2009
Indeed he does.
But he also projects as an average to above-average bat. CHONE, for example, projects him to be a tiny bit better than Adrian Beltre in 2009, so it’s not like “hitting like Kevin Kouzmanoff” is something to be ashamed of.
Teej - February 16, 2009
And I didn't call him a bust at all
Graham MacAree - February 16, 2009
I didn't say you did
I just said that the way you phrased it felt like you hadn’t given him enough credit for what he has already accomplished at the major league level
Trenchtown - February 16, 2009
He's a good player
He’s just not Alex Gordon, destroyer of worlds.
Yet.
Graham MacAree - February 16, 2009
tim linecum
we should have taken the local boy linecum,good luck too him.
justicebeau - February 16, 2009
I'd agree, but
Matthew wanted Morrow and the authors of this site do not handle dissent well.
JI - February 16, 2009
Very deft
esoteric - February 16, 2009
If I remember correctly Matthew seemed to have worries about his abilty to stay healthy
And that is backed up here
Robert - February 17, 2009
they sure don't,hah.
justicebeau - February 17, 2009
You're doing this on purpose
OlSalty - February 18, 2009
Linecum? Is that like the evil twin of Tim Lincecum?
Benne - February 16, 2009
Correct.
Tim Linecum also has a very evil looking goatee.
BrianL - February 16, 2009
Linecum's delvery makes him an inury isk
OlSalty - February 16, 2009
I thought he was referring to a male porn actor.
Fin - February 16, 2009
Welcome to LL.
We try to be welcoming to new voices around these parts, but you’ve been warned by mods several times (here and here) to put more effort into your comments (capitalize, spell names correctly, etc.)
Our overlords are pretty nice guys, but following some basic rules will ensure that you stay on their good side and stick around for a long time! Yay!
Teej - February 16, 2009
I think Graham is nicest of all, followed by Matthew
JI - February 16, 2009
BrianL thinks Jeff is awesome and you should worship him
seattlebruin - February 16, 2009
Jeff merely hires other people to be mean for him
in order to preserve his bubble-gum image
JI - February 16, 2009
Sort of like how Stalin had his henchmen do all the dirty work?
esoteric - February 16, 2009
I seriously doubt Jeff tastes anywhere as amazing as bubblegum does.
Robert - February 17, 2009
You'll have to defer to an expert as you only know what Graham tastes like.
JI - February 17, 2009
Minions?
He has minions?
msb - February 17, 2009
Yes, and what's more they all dress like the villians from Jonny Quest.
esoteric - February 17, 2009
So, not from the Henchmens Union?
msb - February 17, 2009
hay thank's, i didn't now it was so anal here.
justicebeau - February 17, 2009
We're trying to be nice, but you're making it rather difficult.
Aaron Campeau - February 17, 2009
hay your welcome
Teej - February 17, 2009
I'm telling your boss.
Aaron Campeau - February 17, 2009
You fucker.
Teej - February 17, 2009
I'm not Scottish.
Aaron Campeau - February 17, 2009
Ewe!
Teej - February 17, 2009
(I actually am Scottish at least in part so I can say these things.)
Aaron Campeau - February 17, 2009
I'm Facebook friends with a partly Scottish guy, so it's cool for me too.
Teej - February 18, 2009
Seeya
Graham MacAree - February 18, 2009
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