Status: Division favorite
Projected Offense:
C: Napoli
1B: Morales
2B: Kendrick
SS: Aybar
3B: Figgins
LF: Abreu
CF: Hunter
RF: Guerrero
DH: Rivera
This is a better unit than many seem to be giving it credit for. Not that there are any people projecting the Angels' run production to be pathetic, mind you, but the common thinking is somewhere along the lines of "they won't be that big of a threat," where in reality this lineup is, on paper, a fair bit above average.
The addition of Abreu went a long way towards addressing the Angels' biggest deficiency - a lack of OBP. It's still not a strength, but teaming Abreu with Vlad will help this lineup sustain some innings, which is something they needed to take care of after losing Mark Teixeira. Outside of those two, you've got a mixed bag of tools. You've got some guys who like to attack the pitcher and put the ball in play, and you've got some other guys who're content to wait a little more and swing a little harder. It's a diverse lineup, and a reasonably talented one, one that could potentially make a lot of noise if Howie Kendrick finally makes the leap and Mike Napoli gets a lot of time. I wonder how many people realize that Napoli is a lifetime .248/.362/.493 bat as a catcher. That's good for a lifetime wOBA of .365, and even if you think his true talent lies somewhere a little lower, that's a hell of a player. That's the guy we wanted to have in Jeff Clement.
That said, it's also a lineup that carries a lot of risk. Napoli's never been able to stay in the lineup that long, and Jeff Mathis isn't much of an offensive alternative. Kendrick's always getting hurt and needs to prove his durability if he wants people to stop calling him fragile. Vlad and Abreu are a combined 68 69, with the former possessing a body that seems to be held together with glue and a dream. And Kendry Morales, though young and able, has yet to impress. The lineup is long on talent but short on guarantees, and while Maicer Izturis and Brandon Wood offer decent depth in the infield, a problem with Napoli or one of the big two would deal a big blow.
The Angels are going to score runs. The lineup simply has too much ability to suck. But just how many runs they score is going to depend on the aforementioned risks. I'm going to go way out on a limb here and suggests that, once again, the biggest factor is going to be Vlad. If they can get him to stave off decline for one more season then they'll be doing all right, but if his wOBA drops by another 20 points or his body comes apart, they're going to need some other guys to pick up the slack.
Projected Pitching Staff:
SP: Lackey
SP: Santana
SP: Escobar
SP: Weaver
SP: Saunders
RP: Arredondo
RP: Shields
CL: Fuentes
On the surface, it's an excellent staff. The bullpen's pretty good, and, judging by tRA, even the worst of the five starters projects to be league-average, if not a little better. Just eyeballing things, this was pretty clearly intended to be the team's big strength.
But there's a problem, and you should all already know what it is. That front three of Lackey, Santana, and Escobar? All out at the start of the season. Escobar has made a somewhat miraculously fast recovery from a major shoulder operation, but he's still going to miss some turns, and neither of the other two are doing as well. Right now Lackey's looking to return in late April or early May, but that's still just an estimate, and Santana's likely gone for at least six or eight weeks. That's a big deal, considering that, when healthy, all three are among the most effective starters in baseball. There's not a team in the league that could have this kind of trouble and shake it off like it's nothing.
So the outlook of the pitching staff rather obviously comes down to how much time those three starters are going to be able to spend on the mound. If they're all able to meet their current timetables, then the Angels will only be out a combined 3-4 months' worth of starts, which, ehh, it's not the worst thing ever. But should there be further complications, then it might be time to panic, since none of Dustin Moseley, Shane Loux, or Nick Adenhart appear capable of sustaining success in a big league rotation. Angel fans need to be crossing their fingers damn hard that everyone's able to come back in game shape. Otherwise their team is just going to be pulled down closer and closer to the rest of the division.
Brian Fuentes is going to own Griffey so bad.
Defense:
The infield is solid. None of the four (excluding catcher) is a liability, and the unit is probably led by Erick Aybar, one of them nifty little shortstops that makes difficult plays look routine. The outfield is where it gets nasty. Abreu and Guerrero offer very little in the way of range in the corners, and Hunter's glove isn't quite what people think it is. Reggie Willits would make for a neat defensive replacement in certain high-leverage situations, but with Juan Rivera and Gary Matthews Jr. also hanging around, he's not likely to get much of a chance, and neither of those two depth guys in front of him bring much defense to the table. A conservative estimate would have this outfield group costing the Angels about 30 runs over the course of the season, and there's the potential for things to be even worse. Did you know that Jered Weaver is one of the most extreme flyball pitchers in the league?
Overall:
Even with the injuries to the pitching staff, the Angels are still the favorite to win the AL West. They're running a little low on breathing room, but with Justin Duchscherer going under the knife and Brandon Morrow switching to the bullpen, they're not the only team in the division who's lost a little immediate upside. The Angels are out in front of the pack. Just don't expect them to run away with things the way they did a year ago. In terms of true talent, this is a mid-80s win roster, and pulling another 100 out of their ass is just incredibly unlikely. It's a roster that's littered with both talent and risk, and just because they're in the lead now doesn't mean they're going to stay there. Things can change in a hurry. Angel fans will be able to go to bed tonight confident that their team has the best shot of anyone in the division of seeing the playoffs, but if one or two more screws come loose, this thing could get real messy real fast.
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Which pitcher will get the hardest boning from that OF alignment?
JI - March 30, 2009
Jeff Sullivan - March 30, 2009
But less dickishly
Weaver does have the highest FB/inning on the team.
Jeff Sullivan - March 30, 2009
From my obsessive compulsive reading/lurking
on this site I find it incredibly unlikely that JI would choose the “less dickish” approach for you.
TheBishop - March 30, 2009
What do you call this below?
Tony S - March 30, 2009
If this is asking what the shovel is below
I’m going to go with “lots of stuff”.
TheBishop - March 30, 2009
Come on man, call a spade a spade
Tony S - March 30, 2009
I just wanted to say "hard boning"
JI - March 30, 2009
Well then technically you failed.
SethGrandpa - March 31, 2009
Had to adjust for tense.
JI - March 31, 2009
Who doesn't?
royalcurve - March 31, 2009
Maverick!
PositivePaul - March 31, 2009
Depending on how long Duch + the Angel trio are on the shelf
This division could be the worst collection of rotations in recent memory.
Matthew - March 30, 2009
Leave Millwood alone already
He has to put up with enough shit all year as it is
Tony S - March 30, 2009
Could the M's conceivbly have the best rotation in the division?
I mean, I know we lose out on Morrow being a starter, but we still have that one-two punch!
Fin - March 30, 2009
That seems like a real long shot
Bedard needs to stay healthy, effective and in Seattle, Silva needs to not suck, Felix needs to dominate and RRS needs to pitch better than last year (as a starter) for them to come close to the Angels unless the Lackey and Santana injuries are much more serious than people think.
Bearskin Rugburn - March 30, 2009
This analysis is long on things that make sense
and (sadly) short on cheap shots on the assholishness of everything associated with this plague of a franchise. Fuck the Angels. Fuck ’em good.
TheBishop - March 30, 2009
With Clement, Morrow and Balentien's problems -
they all seem to be quickly becoming trade bait. And with the Angels and Oakland suffering this much, what do you think the likelihood is they are traded for “now” upgrades (rather than rebuilding tools) and we make a run for it this year?
CapSea - March 30, 2009
I vote against trading young players for "now" players
Ezzra - March 30, 2009
Unlikely
but I do think that both Clement and Balentien could easily become bait for a longer-term player who could also help in 2009.
Jeff Sullivan - March 30, 2009
Any wild guesses that would at least make this whole situation more fun/interesting to think about?
CapSea - March 30, 2009
Pujols.
… I just realized that was a really stupid way to phrase that question.
CapSea - March 30, 2009
I'm hoping for Brandon Fahey
Jeff Sullivan - March 30, 2009
I demand he be the throw in
we need something to make September fun
JI - March 30, 2009
Hold out for Tony Pena Jr.
CapSea - March 31, 2009
I know what I want
Jeff Sullivan - March 31, 2009
Honest question:
Doesn’t Figgins stand out as a bit of a liability at 3B? He’s below average with the bat, slightly above average at baserunning and “meh” defensively. Does he receive a bonus for his ability to play multiple positions or am I correct in seeing him as a below average player?
TheBishop - March 30, 2009
Figgins looks like an average/above-average glove at 3B with an average/above-average bat
He’s no star, but I wouldn’t call him a liability.
Jeff Sullivan - March 30, 2009
Unless he plays like last year
JI - March 30, 2009
UZR is a harsh mistress
When we had this discussion last year, everyone knew that Chone Figgins was an abomination at 3rd, and we were pretty sure that GMJ as a corner OF was a solid 5<x<15 or so defender. Maicer Izturis was a sub-Jeter SS, and Aybar was an unknown. Well, Izturis put up a +17 UZR/150 and Aybar was nearly +10/150 in a larger sample. Meanwhile, GMJ was Jose-Guillen-level bad in the field and at the plate. Did you know Garret Anderson put up a +18 runs/150 in LF in 82 games?
In the OF, it looks pathetic this year – but after last year, I’m hesitant to even hazard a guess. I’ll call it ‘average.’ Like every year, I think it depends on how much time Vlad gets in RF.
marc w - March 31, 2009
I know you know much more about these things
than I do. I’ll ask another question if you’ll humor me. What is the average wOBA at 3B and/or what is the best way to locate that information?
TheBishop - March 30, 2009
Sorry.
Reply fail. I blame the Dogfish Head.
TheBishop - March 30, 2009
I'd use
Fangraphs
Ezzra - March 30, 2009
Fangraphs actually does not list positional averages
a stupid way to do it, which is of course how I did it some time ago, would be to add up the wOBAs of all position players with >200PA and average that. Alternately, you can use the 2.5 run positional adjustment and deduct it from the league average wOBA (I think it works out to .005 or so, giving a theoretical average of, what, .330?).
Bearskin Rugburn - March 30, 2009
Thank you
That’s very helpful if correct and if not I appreciate the effort anyway.
Huh. I guess checking Fangraphs that he actually is a league average player. How the fuck is that possible? He’s like a black, illieterate Reggie Willits (please note that the preceding joke was made at the expense of Chone’s ridiculous spelling of his own name and not a racist joke).
TheBishop - March 30, 2009
Easily the most annoying player on that team
of highly annoying players.
Bearskin Rugburn - March 30, 2009
Generally people's parents choose their names.
Aaron Campeau - March 31, 2009
if it wasn't a racist joke why mention his race?
pdb - March 31, 2009
To diferentiate him from Willits.
TheBishop - March 31, 2009
Whachu talkin' 'bout Willits?
The Typical Idiot Fan - March 31, 2009
Pretty sure we can tell them apart.
Aaron Campeau - March 31, 2009
Right
Because one’s white and one’s black. I suppose to be more PC I should have referred to him as the short, annoying Angels player that doesn’t live in a batting cage.
TheBishop - March 31, 2009
Don't the Angel's get a little bump
from playing more crappy teams than everyone else? I mean, all the projections assume league average opposition and they will be playing some below average teams on a very regular basis. Last year they had the best intra-divisional record in baseball and I suspect that will remain the case.
Bearskin Rugburn - March 30, 2009
God I hate making that error so much
well, gotta go cut myself again.
Bearskin Rugburn - March 30, 2009
LA Angels, you've been better known
Jimmy, put ’em up on the big board!
evanr - March 30, 2009
Zoh My God I cannot believe baseball is starting in less than a week.
Here’s to more competitive games against the Angels.
ThundaPC - March 30, 2009
Even with the news of the past few days, I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself.
I popped a ’97 Mariners highlights tape and totally marked out for Paul Sorrento.
Omerta - March 30, 2009
This
is a really awesome article (series?)
Zwakamatsu - March 30, 2009
Series
SethGrandpa - March 31, 2009
Yay we're talking about the Angels!
…
I have nothing to add that hasn’t already been said. That outfield defense is going to drive me to a lot of drinking this year.
Eyebrows - March 30, 2009
Are we not doing projections this year?
Edgar for Pres - March 30, 2009
Nope
And even if we had, hey, Morrow and Clement would’ve fucked us anyway.
Jeff Sullivan - March 30, 2009
would you mind telling us the reason for this decision?
I never participated in the projections for lack of confidence in my knowledge but I believe, many thought it was a fun exercise.
Too much work for you and the USSM guys?
vj - March 31, 2009
This kind of took the place of our community projections:
Tango has a nice setup.
Wilder. - March 31, 2009
That's totally different - those are playing time projections, not performance projections.
I think fangraphs showing 4 or 5 different projection systems for each player took a bit of the wind out of our sails. Our community projections used to be one of the few publicly-available projections (along with ZIPS) – PECOTA was behind the wall, Marcel wasn’t yet invented (I don’t think – could be wrong), if CHONE was around, I sure as hell didn’t know where to find it, etc.
marc w - March 31, 2009
I wouldn't speak for Jeff
Matthew - March 31, 2009
Came off the wrong way.
Wilder. - March 31, 2009
Diminishing returns (lots of projections are publicly available) and it was really difficult to put together
It didn’t help matters that a lot of the community tends to run out of steam before we’re done.
Jeff Sullivan - March 31, 2009
I might put together projections on the sidebar.
Edgar for Pres - March 31, 2009
I'd assume its just a pain in the ass with minimal benefit for the amount of time it takes to put them together.
I’ll miss them but I’d understand.
Edgar for Pres - March 31, 2009
Wow.
Holy crap what a lot of work wow.
Kermit. - March 31, 2009
Some notes on offense...
Just to give you guys another Angels fan perspective on this, I think you nailed most of it, but I don’t think you touched on just how much upside the Angels offense has. There’s plenty of chances for things to go wrong, but there’s also a lot of potential for being better. Much better. In Juan Rivera, Howie Kendrick, and Kendry Morales, the Angels have three chances for another major offensive contributor. I’d include Mike Napoli in that group, but I just don’t think he can stay healthy enough. If it should happen that all three guys break the Angels’ way, production-wise, they’ll have one of the best offenses in the league. It’s not necessarily the most likely thing that could happen, but it’s interesting to think about.
The most interesting question though is what sort of lasting effect the Angels’ newfound patience at the plate will have, if any. One of the hallmarks of the Angels organization in the Mike Scioscia era has been low walk totals, and an ultra-aggressive approach at the plate. Starting this spring, the Angels radically altered the strategy they were teaching their young players, emphasizing patience and working counts, as well as taking walks. The result has been marked—the Angels have 127 walks in spring training, more than any other team. While no one is expecting Vlad or Hunter to really alter their approach, the effect this has on the development of Kendrick, Aybar, and Brandon Wood (all three of whom have had significant trouble with being over-aggressive) will be something to keep an eye on.
Zu Long - March 31, 2009
I like the idea of spring training statistics and teachings mattering within the span of a six-week period
But I highly doubt it stopped Kendrick, Aybar, and Wood from being ultra-aggressive at the plate when they’ve been doing so all their lives.
While an interesting note, it’s probably a side-effect of spring training not mattering, and therefore allowing for a more relaxed approach at the plate, and of a small sample size. It might in fact end up being unmitigated truth, but we can’t truly determine if they’ve reached that point yet.
It’s funny, I don’t agree with the theory of the Angels having a huge offensive upside, because of potential regression risks from their two main offensive contributors. But I do believe this is Napoli’s breakout season, because I trust Scoscia will go to great lengths in keeping his sneaky-good catcher healthy, even if that means letting him DH a significant period of time. And, of course, that leads to Vlad manning the field more often, and we get back to the whole ‘Angels in the Outfield’ situation again.
cwel87 - March 31, 2009
You might be surprised at the effect it's had on Kendrick, Aybar and Wood.
In Wood’s case, for instance, he’s better than halved his K total from last spring in a similar number of PA. Kendrick and Aybar have walked half as many times in 50-60 PA’s as they did last season in 350 PA’s.
Patience and discipline at the plate is a skill which can be learned over time. In the case of the Angels young players, the question has always been whether that skill is being taught, or de-emphasized in favor of a different approach. This spring seems to have demonstrated that they are capable of learning and applying this skill. The key will, of course be whether they can translate that patience into the regular season.
I’ll tell you this much though—it’s not just a side effect. I’ve followed the last 5 springs with the Angels pretty closely, and this is something I’ve never seen before. It’s definitely a result of something management emphasized, and stated they were emphasizing from day one this year. The big question is, will it stick?
Zu Long - March 31, 2009
Your last sentence is the exact reason I'm skeptical
I’m not disputing the fact the coaching staff has changed its approach to young players and in doing so is making a concerted effort to make their young players more patent at the plate. It’s just whether or not five weeks of spring training will actually make them feel more comfortable with their newfound patience.
I guess we’ll see in a week. One thing I’m sure we can all agree on – can’t wait for baseball.
cwel87 - April 1, 2009
And another injury: Devine to Dr. Andrew office.
Linky
R.J. Anderson - March 31, 2009
Dr. Andrews' office*
R.J. Anderson - March 31, 2009
Dr. Andrew's office!
vj - March 31, 2009
damn
I didn’t notice the guys name is “Andrews”. Sorry!
vj - March 31, 2009
Pitchers are dropping like flies.
Matthew - March 31, 2009
Fucking inverted inverted Ms
Graham MacAree - March 31, 2009
Mr.?
R.J. Anderson - March 31, 2009
Damn sideways sigmas.
Matthew - March 31, 2009
Awesome alliteration
seattlebruin - March 31, 2009
In retrospect, I should have used shitty as my exclamation instead of damn
Matthew - March 31, 2009
That's questionable alliteration
Jeff Sullivan - March 31, 2009
Not if you're drunk
pdb - March 31, 2009
So is that
Graham MacAree - March 31, 2009
I know, but it is at least closer
and works with a lisp.
The only curse words that come to mind that start with a sih sound are chinese.
Matthew - March 31, 2009
You're the hockey fans, but have you forgotten the treasure that is Quebecois profanity?
ciboire sideways sigmas!
marc w - March 31, 2009
I root for a team that hates the only Quebec representative with a fiery passion eclipsed only by their own fans passion for meaningless violent riots
Matthew - March 31, 2009
Which is to say,
I do not know any quebecois profanity.
Matthew - March 31, 2009
I'm sure 'Carey Price' will enter into the lexicon at some point
Graham MacAree - March 31, 2009
Maybe it's wrong to anoint a player Christ himself at age 20...
after one partial season…
Matthew - March 31, 2009
Watch yourself, Carruth
marc w - March 31, 2009
And look what happened.
Also, King, not Christ.
Matthew - March 31, 2009
Only one man can die for our sins.
Robert - March 31, 2009
No WONDER Hasselbeck had a bad year last year...
PositivePaul - April 5, 2009
I learned it by watching *you* lookout landing
I learned it by watching you.
marc w - March 31, 2009
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/10/13/633943/offtop-10-13-08-garfield-e#9350290
Jeff Sullivan - March 31, 2009
French, not limited to quebecois
Matthew - April 1, 2009
This comment sounds like it could be aimed at a sorority
Ezzra - March 31, 2009
Awesome.
(sideways epsilons works if you want to add cool Greek words to a phrase you’ve already stretched out in the attempt to make it sound scientific).
marc w - March 31, 2009
Eccentric epsilon!
Graham MacAree - March 31, 2009
Oooooooh
Non-equilibrated epsilons?
marc w - March 31, 2009
I'm trying to figure out a way to make oblique omega work
Graham MacAree - March 31, 2009
Tough.
You could just drop alliteration and go for bizarre like “erect psi”
marc w - March 31, 2009
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