I just wish it were permissible for a manager to substitute one hitter in for another one.
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But Griffey had all of those good years back in the '90s!
I mean, he’s a living legend, right? He’s fucking clutch! He saved baseball in Seattle, for chrissakes! How can you sub him out when there’s a lefty on the hill? He fucking crushes lefties!
Your career has certainly been interesting to follow. Talk about a comeback, after all you went through in the Rays organisation it’s almost a miracle that you’re producing at a near-MVP level for the Texas Rangers. How does it feel to be leading the AL West and being one of the most feared bats in the league? I hope your rib isn’t bothering you and you’re able to give it your all each game without feeling pain.
Onto the point of my letter, then:
Brandon Morrow’s insulin is not heroin. Please refrain from stealing random things that look like they might get you high in future (especially from visiting teams). Diabetes is a severe, sometimes debilitating condition and those suffering from it could do without their medicines being pilfered by someone just looking for a quick hit. Have some care and respect for those battling through this disease.
I was sooo pissed last night. There were multiple story lines for a sports writer though
Offense fails, only scores one run!
Pitching fails gives up seven runs!
Maybe something about infield defense, but I didn’t watch the game. I just hoped every thing went through Yuni’s wickets ‘cause fuck Yuni that’s why
Let me save you LSBers the trouble and just tell you how this goes
You sign up, you leave a comment, it probably sucks, it gets hidden, and you get banned. It’s really simple and people don’t really slip through the moderation cracks around here.
You don’t have anything inherantly against Mariners fans but kind of wish there was a civil Mariners blog on SBN to go to because your duties for other blogs take you to other teams’ sites?
Wouldn't the best response be just to ban trolls and not respond in turn?
That’s what I would hope the mods for any SBN blog I’m a part of do.
Or, if you’re going to post your own trash talk, deal with it when someone else responds. I’d prefer the former, but the latter, I would think, is better than posting some trash and then banning someone for firing back.
I someone goes to an opposing team's blog to trash talk
What do you think is going to happen? Pretty much any blog is going to trash the troll and then ban them. This isn’t rocket science or something exclusive to Lookout Landing.
I live in Kennewick and I love Washington. I’ve lived plenty of other places, as well, and the northwest is the LAST place I would expect to have comments sections — writers included — to top even an Eagles blog for off-putting content.
I don’t defend trolls of any team. I’m among a few others who have told people at LSB that coming over her to troll is pretty retarded. But do you really think the content here is by and large what you’d call respectable by SBN standards?
I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong. I’ve thought of posting here before and stayed back for a reason.
(BTW, I made the Epic Ibanez Maneuver gif. Yes, that is off-topic.)
Basically what I was trying to say is the lighten up a little. What separates LL from the MSM is not only the usage of better stats, but also the non-PC commentary.
LL has a serious side and it has a goofy off-color side.
If you cannot separate the two in your mind, then that’s going to be an issue for you here. The serious side here cannot be topped for baseball analysis. The off-color side will offend many many people. That’s just the way we are, but we do realize that we offend many people with it and keep it to ourselves here.
I have some issues with Dave I’ll leave out of this discussion.
But, full disclosure, I’m editing for another SBN site (anyone who posts there knows but I don’t think which is a big deal), and so I’m more interested in SBN sites.
A lot of it stems from the fact that it has been made clear
that this website is NOT a “message board”, and as such there’s not a lot of “anything goes” trash talking about/between people. J/M/G try to enforce a higher standard of discussion here. Does it always work? No. But most of us try most of the time.
This thread is an example of what happens when yesterday’s trollbombs happened. People have short fuses – as I explained last night, it’s just poor form to show up at your neighbor’s house and shit in their living room, and you can’t expect that we’d just take it with a smile and say “welcome trolls!”
Should we ignore trolls? Probably. Are we as bad as you seem to think? Not even close.
He's a fairly intelligent person, as evidenced by his writings over at LSB
and, as has been discussed in this thread, the readability and general comment quality of LSB is very poor. So an intelligent person, such as Adam Morris, would probably not be 100% pleased by what goes on there.
Of course, I could be mistaken. But I’d say it’s a pretty good bet.
I see this conversation is taking place in this thread and this question has already been asked. I don’t have time to read it all, but I do want to quickly sum up my thoughts on this and move along. Feel free to ignore me.
I’ll admit I’m guilty of the exact same thing and have had a grudge against LL from reading comments bashing Lonestarball (which again goes both ways Im sure), but its really not fair to judge Lonestarball’s commentators based on gameday threads that are pretty much a separate entity from the rest of the site. Given the nature of your gameday threads (not particularly analytical either) I think you can understand.
I also think its understandable how the kind of brash posts that go on here could draw the ire of a few posters from a community that has a different tone.
There is legitimate baseball discussion on Lonstarball. There are more than a handful of people participating in said discussion. I honestly do not think anyone rationally viewing the news/player discussion threads could disagree.
So uh.. don’t judge too quickly. I’ll try not to do so in the future.
I'll read some of the diaries in the past along with gamethreads.
Though, I’ll readily admit that I pretty much stopped reading the comments altogether because of their lack of quality. So it may have changed since then. When it comes to LSB, I resign myself to AJM’s articles, because I like his work, and it’s among my daily reads.
But I am pretty off-put by the writers — not just the commenters, the writers — trashing the entirety of other SBN blogs.
If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well. He doesn’t. It’s part of why I really enjoy reading him.
HH and LL have a, shall we say, contentious history – and a lot of it is because of trollbombing. Thus the trashing, and thus the aforementioned short fuse re: trolls. And I think your impression of the writers as perpetually trashing other SBN blogs is a bit off.
(B) We hate the communities that send idiots over here. We hate them because we have to spend time moderating when we’d much rather be doing other things. Like writing. LSB has been a pain in the ass in that regard.
However, you do occasionally tell us to stop doing the moderators' jobs of explaining the rules.
I’d like to elucidate this a tad. If a troll comes over from another SBN blog, do I (or any other LLer) have the right to explain to him/her the etiquette of LL and nicely ask them to cut it out?
Having double standards doesn’t make us somehow force us to be complete bastards every waking hour.
I’m not very nice. This is freely admitted. I think winding up people I don’t like is funny. I’m also able to talk baseball rationally and in great detail. These are two independent things.
If that’s your stance then I guess you’re shit out of luck trying to find a Mariners community you like on SBN, because we’re not about to change anything.
What is uncivil about LL? The jokes? Ignore them. If you want to discuss baseball we’re more than capable of doing so. We’re not mouth-breathing 14 year old sex perverts or retarded puppy dogs. We are civil when it’s necessary, we just don’t feel the need to censor ourselves when it’s not.
Really, how did you expect people to react to a bunch of morons from LSB coming over here trolling?
This isn’t your house, so act like a good guest and you’ll be treated just fine. Be respectful and you’ll get treated with respect. If you don’t, you’ll get mocked into oblivion and banned, what’s so hard to understand?
You don’t see a bunch of Lookout Landing posters going over to LSB and trolling you every time we play a series do you? No, and I think that speaks volumes about the quality of the commenters at each respective blog.
If you taking his off the cuff ‘fags’ thing personally is your fault, then him getting trolled for making a reference to Josh Hamilton’s past problems is his fault?
For one, Matthew calls me a fag on at least a daily basis, and for two, it wasn’t intended in the way you have decided it was. It quite clearly was not.
And it’s very funny, especially when it is very clear from their comments that the people we’re dealing with are not terribly witty. Because not only are the stupid but they’re also belligerent and headstrong and walking into someone elses house telling them what to do. Those people deserve to be mocked and banned.
But also, when there are a large number of people from another blog collectively coming over here for the sole purpose of trolling unprovoked it doesn’t speak very well about that blog, either. I can understand why Adam would be mad.
There appears to be something specific about the mods, comments, or the overall environment of LL that you seem to simply not like. Whatever rubbed you in the wrong way, it’s just something that’s a part of the culture of LL, and it’s not likely to change.
Are we the most respectable, civil SBN blog ever? No, but we are more than capable of having civil conversations with people.
But it seems like you’re holding us to this standard of “civility” that we are clearly unable to reach. It’s unfair to continue to imply that we’re not capable of what we consider, amongst ourselves, civil conversation.
but when it comes to the analysis pieces G/M/J put up, I don’t think there’s another SBN blog that comes close to LL in terms of objectivity and civility.
Do you have any links to what you’re reading about catcher defense that have helped to form you opinion? Or is it material that is not freely accessible?
I have read this charge at LSB a lot, or similar ones.
I lurk at all of the AL West SBN sites fairly regularly. LSB’s readership seem to think we never talk about baseball here, that the baseball IQ level of the average poster here isn’t especially high, etc. I have no idea how this conclusion has been reached.
I believe in allowing for multiple possibilities and avoiding an arrogant viewpoint of thinking anyone’s problem with me can’t possibly be my own doing.
There’s no reason you should care what I think, but I figured this discussion began because you did. Otherwise, I imagine you would have just ignored me.
It seems as though any time someone disagrees with you
you find a new way to make the argument about something else entirely. You asked a very simple question and you got an answer. Instead of refuting it you’re trying to make this about Matthew’s ego.
If you think such allegations are founded, give an example.
I actually read every SBN blog, they’re all on my RSS feed back from the days that I had to cultivate worthwhile content to recommend at The Hardball Times. I know what other blogs write. We’re better than they are.
I would argue that it is in fact the opposite of a problem.
I enjoy the fact that I don’t have to wade through a bunch of chatspeak, pictures of boobs, political discussion and incomprehensible rambling to enjoy the discussion here. LL is better than most other blogs. It’s a value judgment, certainly, but that doesn’t make it arrogant.
I can understand how having an excessive amount of pride and ego in one's self can be bad
But LL isn’t about being humble or accepting every viewpoint of every single person. If we think someone is being stupid, we’ll call them an idiot. The fact is that there are dumb people and smart people, just as there are good blogs and bad blogs.
We don’t purport LL to be gospel, but it’s really fucking good baseball analysis.
I get that. My original statement was not trying to change LL. It was a statement of being disappointed by the way things are.
I prefer blogs that find a way to be intelligent and also not douchey. That’s just me. And as a resident of Washington — with some of the nicest people in general of anywhere I’ve been — I’m also surprised, but then, of course: it’s the internet. I readily admit that places I have no respect for I’m a lot more antagonistic than I am otherwise.
with your comments that there is a higher standard of civility (read: courtesy or politeness) at BtB and LSB than one would find here. I just don’t see how you can argue that without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred at said blogs within the past year (not to mention the past week).
Basically it seems to me that you’re holding our Mariners blog to a higher standard then you are holding your Rangers and BtB blogs to, respectively.
I just don’t see how you can argue they are not more civil without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred on this blog within the past year.
I don’t think I’m holding LL to a higher standard. But, yes, my sample size of experience here is smaller than yours, and yours is smaller than mine at those sites.
One of us may be turning a blind eye. It may, of course, be me. I don’t think it is but it’s entirely possible. Since we have no way to actually prove who’s right, we probably have to move on.
People are absolutely horrible to each other at LSB.
There are vitriolic political discussions, insanely long flame threads, etc. Those things don’t happen here. When we do have arguments they’re usually quite civil and devoid of ad hominems.
. . . I would prefer to be able to ignore who I want, rather than have the mods choose for me.
A few of the people I would ignore if I used the troll script others are fine with. I don’t necessarily want them banned, I just wouldn’t mind if they stopped posting.
from LSB just last week. Several of your regulars wished cancer upon Hawk Harrelson. The White Sox fan was offended. The regulars told him in essence to lighten up.
The same dynamic seems to be in play here. Rangers fans didn’t really want Hawk to get cancer. We don’t think Hamilton still uses cocaine.
The internet is not a place where one will find Victorian era manners in effect, and sports blogs are amongst the last places one should anticipate that level of “civility.” If one is to frequent places such as these, one needs to be able to differentiate between something which is intended as harmless humor and that which is not. Personally, I find this community (as a whole) to be exceptionally good at that.
. . . I’ll have you know I place the Cowboys well above the Rangers, but I’d say Blogging the Boys (for some different reasons) is far more insufferable for me than just about any other blog I’ve been to on SBN.
I definitely place LL ahead of it, even though I would smile (no offense) if the Mariners died in a fire, and I would personally murder every Ranger if it would deliver the Cowboys a few more championships.
So what you seek is some respect for your favorite blog…you’re insulted not because this place can be crass at times, but because the subject matter involves LSB commenters and you feel the need to stick up for the place.
I think it’s been amply displayed in this thread that both the writers and the community can engage in civil discourse, but if you still feel the need to generalize this place as uncivil to counterbalence Matthew’s statement about gender roles on LSB (something that was clearly a joke)…more power to you I guess.
Simply because the writers and the commenters believe this to be amongst the best sports blogs out there doesn’t preclude us from providing an environment for civil conversation…and even in the case where some might feel the environment isn’t civil there are both guidelines and warnings which caution the new or visiting poster before entering the premises. Basically, the expectations one should have are laid out before one gets here…and if they don’t find them “acceptable,” there are alternatives to Mariner coverage.
I think, however, you’d be dissapointed in what you would find there, particularly in terms of “civil” discussion.
J/M/G and put a shit ton of work into LL and they receive very, very little material benefit for doing so.
They have every right to moderate it in a way that makes it reflect the kind of community they wish to create and I am frankly baffled as to why more SBN mods don’t do the same thing.
LL is what we want it to be because if it weren’t, we wouldn’t want to spend as much time here as we do. It’s not for everybody. We don’t want it to be for everybody. We’re not AN, and I hope we never are.
LL is intelligent, readable, and out-and-out crass, and that’s exactly how we like it. If some people get offended, then that’s not a concern of mine. If I’m going to spend dozens of hours on this site every week, I don’t really want to spend them dealing with the oversensitive.
There are things I would like to change about LSB, of course.
But not much. For one, it has one of the best bloggers out there whose attitude in general is the example I want from someone writing for the community I choose to be a part of.
What I would change there would probably be banning a few specific people, but I understand the idea of letting somewhere “police itself.”
I would like you to please remind everyone that yes, a lot of stupid conservative texans are unbareable, but us Austinites consider ourselves the Seattle of Texas… And as a proud almost student of University of Seattle and former resident of Seattle, I would like to respectfully disagree with your insinuation that all Texans are like the fuckers above you refer to and remind you to please be more specific in the future.
Deschutes product out of Bend, Oregon. Every spring like clockwork.
Didn’t have the pizzaz it had last year, but my pallet is notoriously bad. Takes a sledgehammer to register, seriously. Still most brewers hold over hops from last season to the next to mix in, supposed to get a better continuity and all.
And I believe my original point was that having a civil place for the Mariners on LSB would be nice. I don’t think I said that you’re necessarily doing anything wrong. So I fail to see the hypocrisy.
If you actually feel like reading the thoughts of a couple of my friends and find the discourse to be a turn-off, I would definitely take that to heart. I don’t intend on talking trash towards fan bases.
I have no interested in any kind of blog war between LL and LSB. There’s a reason I’ve been sticking around this thread issuing four warning to any member of LL going over to LSB tonight.
I would LOVE for LL members to come over, personally.
I would just hope we were accepting of them, I would hope they weren’t trolls, and I would hope they’re sensitive towards losses (even when logical about those losses, it’s best to just stay away).
If it’s loving for them to come over, because I think cross-pollination is a good thing. Some reasonable Mariners perspectives I, personally, wouldn’t mind seeing when relevent.
When not relevent, well. . . the more the merrier, I guess.
The trick to solving an argument is to determine what exactly the question is.
Your question seems to be “is there a way for fans/posters from various teams to communicate and discuss their respective teams amongst each other?”
The answer would be “yes.” Roundtable chats. Post reasonably and respectfully on other blogs. Ask questions at other blogs. Read their content. There are plenty of ways.
Not seriously to the point that I'm crying or angry.
I do find them distasteful, though. As do I find blog wars to be. And I’m sure I’m going to have a response “that’s LL, learn to deal or get out,” and I understand that.
I think the trolls are stupid and should be banned. Definitely not my issue, nor do I defend them.
Admittedly, I have found it hard not to troll here in the past. Of all the blogs I ever go to, it’s the only one that compells me to do so. You guys do write some inciting stuff.
You can defend that, but I hope at least you can understand it.
Click on the profile of the people who have trolled lookout landing and I think you will find that most of them have never trolled any other SBN site. Its not some deep character trait.
This site has a specific tone quite unique among SBN and sports pages in general. You post a joke thats meant for your crowd, but this being the internet our crowd sees it. Most people have the restraint to at least keep the responses on lonestarball, a few don’t. And not everyone has been around long enough to know whats typical around here.
Thus everyone here then sees a couple trolls from lonestarball, bash them and lonestarball in general. Then lonestarball sees that, and now everyone thinks everyone else is an idiot… when in reality if you back out of these specific threads that ignited bashing eachother you will find intelligent baseball discussion on both.
As I said in my previous comment, I completely admit guilt to doing the same thing. I saw Jeff call us all idiots, and thus I drop some rationality and insult lookout landing out of spite.
Nice vicious cycle we’ve got going. Start the healing!
Why do you care so much about what we think of you? I’m pretty sure most of us don’t give a shit what you think about us, we just don’t want a bunch of you coming over and making a bunch of dumbass comments every time we play each other, which has been happening for years.
I’ve seen comments from LSB posted over here many many times.
Who would enjoy a group of people bashing their community? If you all have such think skin this debate wouldn’t have gotten past the deletion of a couple troll posts.
Perhaps we should just agree that we like our respective communities and that it's probably quite unfair to judge them by their game threads
The majority of LSB wouldn’t like LL, and the majority of LL wouldn’t like LSB. That much is pretty clear. So all that’s left to do is make sure that idiots don’t start flaming the other website. Put that to an end and we’ll all be peaches.
In fact, using memes out of context is one of the biggest humor-killers of all, so I’d say it’s an even bigger issue for the native posters than for the visitors.
My standard for civil would probably be Beyond the Boxscore, Lone Star Ball and Coug Center, where I spend most of my time. With some notable exceptions, they don’t have a whole lot of garbage getting thrown around.
At the very least I would imagine those who revel in their debauchery wouldn’t be bothered by similar response.
BtB's comments are horrifically uncivil and I rarely comment there anymore for that very reason.
The mods aren’t willing to do what it would take to make it a less acidic place to comment and that’s fine because it’s their show; I adore R.J., I’ve had plenty of great discussions with Sky and I think the rest of y’all do a bang up job on the content. But to call the commenting environment civil is a massive stretch.
I’m not even going to comment upon LSB being a model of civility other than to say that my experience reading comment threads generally makes me want to jump off of a bridge.
Pretty much everything larry has ever said ever, for one.
I don’t feel like searching the archives for specific examples, but there are a few posters that are routinely face-meltingly acerbic to people with whom they disagree on things which are clearly matters of opinion, and they’re given pretty much free reign.
I assume you’re referring to comment content, as opposed to written front-page content. The comment content is often civil and reasonably insightful, with game threads being the exception, but even there people are simply feeding off their emotions, and I don’t see the point in censoring them. Crassness is only a problem to the oversensitive.
I certainly understand my being an issue. BUt it should be because I don’t like the way you do things, not because I’m a fan of another team. If you hate me for thinking you’re annoying, that’s just fine.
because you’d think LSB would know not to take any of the jokes we make seriously. Robert aside I don’t think any of the males among us actually want to let Felix finish on their face.
horse moWell you sure have been on your highst of this thread to be honest
I mean, most of what I’ve read has been a passive aggressive snipes about how much you value the virtue of humility and are upset by the lack of it from the moderators.
The Rangers fans around here have been just bloody terrible.
I never thought any team could supplant the Angels for most hated, but these guys are doing a lot to raise my disgust of all things Texas. Although, being an Alaskan I was born with a pretty shitty opinion of the state of Texas.
It's annoying that I don't feel like I can post at LSB or HH because of a couple of fucking retards.
Sometimes I have questions about specific things that a team specific blog would be the best place to ask, but the only AL West blog I would consider posting at at this point is AN.
At the risk of entering the gray area and having people misinterpret what I write here as permission to go troll,
you can go over there and ask questions. Just be aware of the current state of affairs. In other words, there’s a severe travel advisory under effect for LL to LSB
There are idiots there just like there are here and everywhere. I personally encourage you to continue, but having been to enemy territories myself, I get how unpleasent it can be.
You guys are damn witty and it’s fun to read. And while I consider the M’s to be division rivals I have all the respect for M’s fans and baseball fans as a whole (minus Red Sox fans).
You know, ironically, a White Sox fan about a week ago went over to LoneStarBall and proceeded to get offended over LSB comments that Hawk Harrelson should get cancer.
Naturally, the commenters over there defended their right to say whatever the hell they wanted on their blog. Hell, I even jumped in and told the White Sox fan he was being too sensitive.
And yet here we are facing the same issue…
(BTW, just so it’s clear for the sexy people, I’m done going over there. Let it not be said that Omerta stooped to that level…)
I realized today that Yuni is giving the opposing starter an extra inning every game, guaranteed. How much is that worth, and does it show up in a stat?
iMovie has been highly recommended but I have yet to give it a shot. GIMP takes a bit of tweaking, it comes with very explicit instruction. I’m using a G-5 which might have been part of my problem.
Dontrelle Willis was my lesson that I shouldn't try to argue baseball stats with people who know ALOT more about them than I do.
I can’t remember if it was you or Dave Cameron, or DMZ, or whatever, but I remember back in the 2005 offseason that one of you guys was saying that Dontrelle Willis was gonna be bad pretty soon and likely out of baseball by the time he was 30. I remember calling bullshit and arguing about it, even though I clearly had no idea what I was talking about.
I’m not an analyst. I simply enjoy reading intelligent comments about the team I am a fan of. But I only read LL and consider myself a regular reader. Not a “regular” by conventional means, but I consider myself a member. I try to obey the rules set forth, although I have pushed it a couple times with .jpgs.
With that said, I would never take it upon myself to troll LSB. I would expect to be flamed (which happens to EVERY troll on any other blog/forum/messageboard). I would also expect my comments to make LL look bad if I did that, and I would expect LSB to ban me and I would expect the mods here to piss in my cereal before giving me the ban-stick.
I don’t understand how this isn’t common sense.
Thanks for the laughs though. It definately made this loss a little easier to take.
Thanks for not trolling, and I believe any Rangers trolls should be flamed and banned here.
And I would also hope they aren’t used as representatives of LSB.
(I am not a representative of LSB, either. These comments do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or opinions of Adam J. Morris, Brett Perryman, Lone Star Ball or Sports Blog Nation.)
That’s my point. I’m not saying your comments reflect the beliefs of the mods, but you still represent LSB. As even I would be representing LL even though I’m nothing to these guys.
But Griffey had all of those good years back in the '90s!
I mean, he’s a living legend, right? He’s fucking clutch! He saved baseball in Seattle, for chrissakes! How can you sub him out when there’s a lefty on the hill? He fucking crushes lefties!
JLProck - May 13, 2009
Hey, we're currently not losing!
Goose - May 13, 2009
Woops.
Goose - May 13, 2009
That would be neat!
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Beltre!
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
That's it I quit.
esoteric - May 13, 2009
watching this team has ruined my optimism
and it will never recover.
jtopps - May 13, 2009
This is why I was against it
JI - May 13, 2009
I was pissed when they moved Morrow to the bullpen, but I at least thought he'd be good.
DAMellen - May 13, 2009
A letter to Josh Hamilton
Dear Josh,
Your career has certainly been interesting to follow. Talk about a comeback, after all you went through in the Rays organisation it’s almost a miracle that you’re producing at a near-MVP level for the Texas Rangers. How does it feel to be leading the AL West and being one of the most feared bats in the league? I hope your rib isn’t bothering you and you’re able to give it your all each game without feeling pain.
Onto the point of my letter, then:
Brandon Morrow’s insulin is not heroin. Please refrain from stealing random things that look like they might get you high in future (especially from visiting teams). Diabetes is a severe, sometimes debilitating condition and those suffering from it could do without their medicines being pilfered by someone just looking for a quick hit. Have some care and respect for those battling through this disease.
Yours sincerely,
-Graham
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Idiot
I hope your nut sack falls off.
boomer1 - May 13, 2009
Round 2?
d0nkey - May 13, 2009
Part Deux!
Fin - May 13, 2009
The Final Insult!
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
Seriously though.
What the fuck is up with all this LSB trolling? They seem to collect around Hamilton hate comments like flies gather around shit.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Yeah I'm not quite sure why they take so much offense to it, why do they try to protect him from insults?
I mean, come on – he’s a coke head.
gregrabble - May 13, 2009
Seriously
They should grow a sense of humor. Its not like we would flip shit if their Mod was talking shit about Morrow. We would probably just agree with them.
Fin - May 13, 2009
I really didn't think me asking a question about it would cause such a shitstorm from both sides.
File that under “life lesson learned,” I guess.
Inkara1 - May 13, 2009
You have to admit, it is pretty entertaining
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Actually, we're pretty much doing nothing but laughing about it.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
A shitstorm there and giving the ban cannon a workout here, then?
Inkara1 - May 13, 2009
It really only takes three clicks
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
It's good to run every once in awhile.
Make sure the batteries aren’t dead.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Same thing happened last year.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Wait. I get warned for making a joke about a LSB invasion, and these guys get off scott-free?
It’s not fair, I tellya.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
I got warned.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I was not warned
JI - May 13, 2009
Well aren't you the teacher's pet.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
My favorite warning of all time was
“You shall be modded before Robert”
JI - May 13, 2009
I never get fun warnings.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Wow you must lead a rough life
JI - May 13, 2009
I crave recognition.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
My favorite banning message was
“Boxed, is lupus”
JI - May 13, 2009
I've still never been boxed.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I used to get boxed three times a week back in the golden era of LL
JI - May 13, 2009
I remember!
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Me either, but my day will one day come.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
That's terrific.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
That's not true
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
This particular quote caused me to lose it
JI - May 13, 2009
Thank god.
Now I can finally rec this.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Jeff is a goddamn rec thief
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Whatever happened to Gomez?
Fin - May 13, 2009
He got uppity
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
That's too bad.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Whatever
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
That sounds like a warning from me
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Well not as much as the Goofus and Gallant at least.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Wait which one would be Gallant?
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Goofus and Gallant?
Inkara1 - May 13, 2009
The C in nicer looks like a G
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Smaller
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I thought the rule was height=300 and I did that
What size should I have used?
Inkara1 - May 13, 2009
Well your image got cut off on the right
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
How's this?
Inkara1 - May 13, 2009
perfect
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Moron
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
perfecT
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
PERFECT
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Perfect
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Should we call the rule...
Height or width, whichever is bigger, limited to 300?
Inkara1 - May 13, 2009
We can roll with that
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
That works
Height is really the biggest concern of ours, though, so horizontal dimensions don’t need to be strictly regulated.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
You're a bunch of Napoleons.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I have stated before that the general guideline is:
no more than 300 pixels tall and don’t make it wider than the screen. Also, always preview.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
300x300 as the absolute largest is best.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
My Kreuger pics are 320
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Way to blow your alt rere.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
It appears as if this is now my primary
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Who's the re re?
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
I get that all the time
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Oh shit you have a list of these?
JI - May 13, 2009
Every moderation is tracked.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
You better bet your bottom dollar!
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Coffee table book!
I actually would like to see my list
JI - May 13, 2009
You wish is my command
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I may email it to you
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
No need now!
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Good because formatting is an annoyance
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I wonder if I'll ever find the character limit in a warn message
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
If Robert couldn't...
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
This is a limit to flags and I've crashed the system before pushing it.
Robert - May 13, 2009
Apparently if the warning is long enough you can't reach the OK button to dismiss it
I shall miss JI the most.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
How can you type that and not just use the JPG instead?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Too much effort to find it
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
slama damna ding dong
Robert - May 13, 2009
Problem solved!
Poochie - May 13, 2009
This is my finest hour
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I just want to rec everyone involved
Robert - May 13, 2009
I think it's a conspiracy to prevent from catching Jeff in comment count but oh well.
Poochie - May 13, 2009
The worst/(best) part is that I can see the ok button but I just can't reach it.
Poochie - May 13, 2009
"Feel the midnight power, bitch"
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
I was talking about that very one this afternoon.
Robert - May 13, 2009
Excellent.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
I rather enjoyed it.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Never mind then
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Yeah! I'm here for this one!
Goose - May 13, 2009
COCAINE!
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
...
JLProck - May 14, 2009
Responding to obvious baiting makes you seem sad.
CapSea - May 13, 2009
Hey
gregrabble - May 13, 2009
You know what else rises to the bait? BIG MOUTH BASS YEEEEHAAAAAAA
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
I wonder how many LSB'ers I'll ban over this one
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
You got to them before I could.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Call it a gift
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Go ahead. Make my day
Do you feel lucky?
Well, do ya? Punk?
rockin_rangers - May 13, 2009
Uh, ok
Since you asked nicely.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Well
That’s one way to hide from your problems.
bioaggie - May 13, 2009
Annnnnd they just keep on comin'!
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
Another alternative would be doing cocaine
I’ve heard about a few baseball players involved in that lately
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
According to Google, cocaine + Hamilton don't register LL in the top 100 yet.
But he did kick nicotine apparently, that’s a tough bitch. The man might be a rock
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
That's not the first time Hamilton has been associated with rocks.
CapSea - May 13, 2009
He's a geologist too?!
He can do anything!
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
He's a Street Geologist.
Went to the school of hard knocks.
Fin - May 13, 2009
More like the school of hard....uh....Cocaine!
Crickets
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
It's easy to get a lot accomplished when you're high on cocaine.
CapSea - May 13, 2009
Cocaine's a hell of a drug
Fin - May 13, 2009
Josh Hamilton can crack rock with his bare hands, just like John Henry!
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
I hear his favourite pitch is the cutter
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Check the rosin bag.
CapSea - May 13, 2009
I miss having entertaining trolls.
Goose - May 13, 2009
When was that?
Omerta - May 13, 2009
AK1984!
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
F'nA's
Though he was just stupid.
Oh and the guy who said that HGH = steroids.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
Boyd!
He was convinced that I’m a bitter old man too
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Oh I liked FnA's
Manzell was humorous too.
But aren’t these guys all purported M’s fans?
Omerta - May 13, 2009
They weren't even trolls.
They just became belligerent after their participation was openly mocked. Funny as hell, though.
CapSea - May 13, 2009
Also,
http://www.sbnation.com/users/ASUBoyd
I don’t have the pictures on hand.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
Didn't he start out well...
but then decided that Graham was his own personal enemy?
CapSea - May 13, 2009
He started by bitching about Jeff writing about the Rays
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
He was a condescending dick from the beginning pretty much
JLC - May 13, 2009
skoorbo
CapSea - May 13, 2009
I just love yelling his name out loud like KHAAAN
SKOOOOOORBO!
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
manzell
CapSea - May 13, 2009
Good Times.
Fin - May 13, 2009
spittle
Mariner John - May 13, 2009
I miss PhilKenSebben
I know he wasn’t a troll here but he bombed the poor Blue Jays blog and that was that for him.
He had some good .gif moments.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
What a clusterfuck that Bluebird Banter thing was.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Was that the infamous Bluebird invasion I've heard so much about?
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Indeed.
More like a one man hailstorm. All we wanted to do was keep rincewind company but alas philken decided that was the day he was to go off the deep end.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
I'm still kind of creeped out by what he did over there.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Oh boy my radar is getting hot now, give me a rough estimate of the date so I can search this puppy?
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Probably all deleted by now.
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
Yeah it's gone.
(yes, I have gone looking for it before).
Omerta - May 13, 2009
Was that when he posted like 35 pictures of a pro wrestler flying into the WTC?
Teej - May 13, 2009
G*****dit, screenshots of the classic money shot people, all I'm saying.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
I thought it was the Fresh Prince gif
But maybe it was that.
Fin - May 13, 2009
I think it was Chris Benoit, who had recently killed his family and himself, flying head first into the world trade center.
joof - May 14, 2009
That's right!
It was wrong on so many levels. And I’m still laughing.
Teej - May 14, 2009
Yep.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
That was terrible, but I'm cracking up thinking about it.
Poor rincewind.
Teej - May 13, 2009
Me too.
Fin - May 13, 2009
It's hilarious in that extremely uncomfortable "Oh my God I can't believe someone actually did that" way.
He absolutely lost his shit that day.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
I couldn't understand how that guy kept himself entertained by commenting to himself.
Fin - May 13, 2009
I'll be totally honest.
That makes me really sad. I mean, Bluebird Banter’s a deeecent blog. The poor guy.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
I have felt this same burden myself
and it is indeed a weighty task.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
That really did go pretty bad.
Goose - May 13, 2009
Ugh, no kidding.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
He showed up in really annoying alternate accounts after he was banned.
There’s no reason to miss him.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Too sad.
Being a M’s fan can do that to some people, I suppose. It takes a strong force of will to soldier on with the tattered remains of one’s sanity.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
Because he is still among us!
DUN DUN DUN
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
Probably. I think I lost interest in continually banning him.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
SBNation doesn't have an IP ban?
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
They don't usually like to bring those out for a guy trolling one site
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I mean one that you guys could use.
So he could create accounts on other sites just not here. I could see how that could cause problems, though.
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
Oh my God...
Omerta - May 13, 2009
He was a reborn as RafaelCarmona22, allowed to continue posting here but trolled to the point where he was banned again.
Robert - May 13, 2009
I didn't know that was him.
I was not a fan.
Mariner John - May 13, 2009
Unforutantely for you he has his unlimited ammo cheat on and is firing away.
Slurvey - May 13, 2009
Who knew that Ranger fans were such sensitive skirt-wearing little girls
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Especially from the gritty state of Texas.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Uh, we did?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
He didn't even have a drug problem as Ranger property
and I make Dany Heatley jokes.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
He really shouldn't have practiced his wraparounds while driving
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
One-timer!
Oh, drats, off the post!
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Frequently I might add.
Though so far not at our secret lair.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Hey, you.
Yeah, you.
Graham.
Fuck you.
rockin_rangers - May 13, 2009
This could pass as a Cummings poem if it wasn't for the capitals
Well done
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
They're from Texas...keep in mind that they're all retarded
Fuzz - May 13, 2009
You know the best thing that ever came out of Texas?
Interstate 35
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
This is an incredible comment
JI - May 13, 2009
I knew you'd like it
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Thank god we only spent one day on that
JI - May 13, 2009
Periods too
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Hey, you.
Yeah, you.
Graham.
You’re delightful.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
This has been said many times but that heart is delightful.
I can’t believe I used delightful in a sentence but there you go.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Sigh
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Whose cooler than AIDS? Graham, that's who...
Ryin A - May 13, 2009
Heh, I like how all of the Ranger fans are
all of the Ranger fans are rising to the bait.
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
AIDS is pretty fucking cool
What an interesting little virus
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Jared has AIDS!
Fin - May 13, 2009
EVERYBODY HAS AIDS AIDS AIDS
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Being trolled is already fun, but being trolled by dolts who don't understand basic contractions is particularly awesome.
Teej - May 13, 2009
Also, it doesn't even make sense.
Are you saying that Graham is cooler than something that’s pretty awful? I’m struggling to find the insult.
Teej - May 13, 2009
Maybe he was being clever and by saying I'm cooler than AIDS
meant I’m not cooler than AIDS!
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
He COULD care less!!!
CapSea - May 13, 2009
He just doesn't care enough to care less?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Don't think too hard about it.
They didn’t.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
Either he mixed them up and meant to say that even AIDS is cooler than Graham.
Or he’s just an idiot.
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
He's pathetic. Let him go.
Like the little fish you caught, just throw him back in. Maybe he’lll grow up and you can catch him next season.
Sinking Away - May 13, 2009
Oh OK. Sorry.
Teej - May 13, 2009
No harm. No foul. So not worth it.
Sinking Away - May 13, 2009
I was being sarcastic.
Teej - May 13, 2009
My bad.
Sinking Away - May 13, 2009
This is such a failure of a comment, I almost want to rec it.
JLC - May 13, 2009
.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
rec'd
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I like how none of the LSB commenters picked up on my horrific comma splice in sentence #2.
Shame on me.
Graham MacAree - May 16, 2009
Damn that one hurt.
I take pretty much nothing from this game outside of some nice flashes from Cedeno and Balentien.
Fuck you Brandon. You are nothing special in the closer’s role (so far). Get your shit together.
Rudy4three - May 13, 2009
I was sure you guys had that one
Our reliever sucked it tonight. Our hitters couldn’t bat in the baserunners all game. I all but gave up.
Thanks for making it interesting Seattle!
rockin_rangers - May 13, 2009
You had more faith than we did.
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
You should never give up when facing the Mariners.
Teej - May 13, 2009
Never evah
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Well, same with the Rangers
Don’t ever think you are done if your team is down 12-1 against Texas. You will come back to win 23-12, I guarantee it
rockin_rangers - May 13, 2009
Our offense is probably worse than your pitching
gregrabble - May 13, 2009
I would have argued with you last year
But, I think you may be right, at least for right now.
We’re headed to run out of gas sooner or later.
rockin_rangers - May 13, 2009
I am glad you share our pessimism.
Fin - May 13, 2009
I like this guy, pragmatic even
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Just honest. And I know how the Rangers tank after the ASB
rockin_rangers - May 13, 2009
That's two months more than the Mariners.
They only give us a month of false hope.
Fin - May 13, 2009
There's the old adage the Ranger score 10 runs, and still lose by one.
Speaks as much to the ballpark as the pitching. I wonder what the M’s legacy will be, hacker hacker swing?
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
More like
It’s too bad pitchers or defense doesn’t score runs.
or
Opponent Scores! Game Over!
Fin - May 13, 2009
I was sooo pissed last night. There were multiple story lines for a sports writer though
Offense fails, only scores one run!
Pitching fails gives up seven runs!
Maybe something about infield defense, but I didn’t watch the game. I just hoped every thing went through Yuni’s wickets ‘cause fuck Yuni that’s why
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
It seems that pitching one inning twice a week is a bad way to get used to where the fucking strike zone is.
Teej - May 13, 2009
FUCK FUCK FUK
Teej - May 13, 2009
Don't worry, we have Phillippe Aumont waiting in the wings
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
And Josh Fields.
Fin - May 13, 2009
And Juan Ramirez behind him.
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
WE SHOULD CHANGE THE LOGO NOW THAT WE ARE GOOD!!!!
Robert - May 13, 2009
Happy logo!
Fin - May 13, 2009
I prefer the pretzel version.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Tim Lincecum
Mariners116 - May 13, 2009
What about him?
Robert - May 13, 2009
He would probably be the one closing if he was on this team.
Fin - May 13, 2009
This still beats 2008 by a mile.
…
…
…
…
…
…
GOD DAMMIT!!!
Crystal for DH - May 13, 2009
I remember when he used to throw those bendy pitches.
JY - May 13, 2009
Let me save you LSBers the trouble and just tell you how this goes
You sign up, you leave a comment, it probably sucks, it gets hidden, and you get banned. It’s really simple and people don’t really slip through the moderation cracks around here.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
What if you have nothing to say but:
You don’t have anything inherantly against Mariners fans but kind of wish there was a civil Mariners blog on SBN to go to because your duties for other blogs take you to other teams’ sites?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Much like the common blowfish, we are civil unless provoked
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
What was the provocation tonight?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Trolling in the GT
Plus I wasn’t done with my Josh Hamilton did drugs! meme from yesterday
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Will that be in the dead memes 2010 list?
Just curious.
Inkara1 - May 13, 2009
It'll be in the all-star break update list.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I think that this thread is the crowning glory
And now it dies
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Numerous members from LSB coming over here to our game threads to troll.
Plus the same last night.
Plus it’s happened before.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Wouldn't the best response be just to ban trolls and not respond in turn?
That’s what I would hope the mods for any SBN blog I’m a part of do.
Or, if you’re going to post your own trash talk, deal with it when someone else responds. I’d prefer the former, but the latter, I would think, is better than posting some trash and then banning someone for firing back.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
The responses are adorable and priceless though.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Really, so good.
I love troll threads.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
Club LL revival!
Fin - May 13, 2009
No.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Sadly, I think Club LLs are a thing of the past.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
No.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I was joking, don't worry.
Fin - May 13, 2009
No.
Robert - May 13, 2009
Nosireebob
JI - May 13, 2009
Nein.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Nope.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Nope
Poochie - May 13, 2009
I can't believe no one used popcorn.gif
I guess because JI isn’t here.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
I am saddened that you have forgotten that popcorn gif was my import
Matthew - May 14, 2009
I am ashamed of myself.
Also? YES!
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
Wee Morrow!
Eyebrows - May 14, 2009
no no no no thats mine and mine alone
Robert - May 14, 2009
Damn you. I was saving that one.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
I only used it once.
Poochie - May 14, 2009
Ah. The re re has been established.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
Who said a word about LSBers before they came over to talk shit?
Teej - May 13, 2009
Trolls are banned, immediately.
Then we proceed to mock them.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I think that baiting someone into a situation where they get banned pretty much automatically is amusing
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I someone goes to an opposing team's blog to trash talk
What do you think is going to happen? Pretty much any blog is going to trash the troll and then ban them. This isn’t rocket science or something exclusive to Lookout Landing.
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
LSBers from yesterday and today
Show up with something reasonable to say and you’ll find that we can be quite nice. Two of the better posters here are Angel fans.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Although I wonder about one of them
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Eyebrows doesn't even like the Angels anymore
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Most people here don't like the Mariners most days.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
We're all rooting for the Pirates.
Goose - May 13, 2009
I am all for the Royals.
I am having my Ponson jersey overnighted.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Strike-O-Matic
#03
Fuzz - May 13, 2009
Buck was a fucking stud.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
I actually went out and bought a personalized Royals tshirt with that on it
Fuzz - May 13, 2009
That thread was great.
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
gay
JI - May 13, 2009
Touche...
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
Also, Matt Palmer complete game vs the Red Sox.
Hilarious.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
One of them hasn't been seen in a long while.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Was he Nick Adenhart?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Precisely
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Rec'd for blowfish
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
If you don't take the bait laid out to catch the stupids I think you'll find it's entirely possible to have a civil conversation here
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
You sure about that?
I live in Kennewick and I love Washington. I’ve lived plenty of other places, as well, and the northwest is the LAST place I would expect to have comments sections — writers included — to top even an Eagles blog for off-putting content.
I don’t defend trolls of any team. I’m among a few others who have told people at LSB that coming over her to troll is pretty retarded. But do you really think the content here is by and large what you’d call respectable by SBN standards?
I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong. I’ve thought of posting here before and stayed back for a reason.
(BTW, I made the Epic Ibanez Maneuver gif. Yes, that is off-topic.)
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
There is a very distinct difference between the excellent front page content
and the sort of response that comes as a result of provocation after a tough game by a bunch of trolls.
abender20 - May 13, 2009
You need to get your panties out of a bunch.
Its Mariners coverage with a hint of sarcasm.
Fin - May 13, 2009
This was a little harsh
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
As was:
This.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
He was joking
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Seems like a double standard.
Or at the very least pretty much in line with Fin. Except Fin targeted me specifically instead of an entire group of people.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Matthew has earned the benefit of the doubt, trolls have not
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I am sorry, that might've been harsh.
Basically what I was trying to say is the lighten up a little. What separates LL from the MSM is not only the usage of better stats, but also the non-PC commentary.
Fin - May 13, 2009
But don't you think you could stand to follow your own advice?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Wizzle wozzle?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
You took the words right out of my wozzle
pdb - May 13, 2009
You should probably get tested.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I'm desperately afraid I'll fail that particular test so I don't even bother
pdb - May 13, 2009
We should lighten up about LSB members coming over here to troll?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
When do we tell him that we've just been baiting them for our own amusement?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
No, I was telling philkid3 to lighten up on our sometimes off colored humor.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Woops, shouldn't used the Up feature before posting that.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Wrong reply.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
The content featured at Lookout Landing is some of the most in-depth analysis featured on all of SBN.
So, yes, it’s pretty damn respectable.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
LL has a serious side and it has a goofy off-color side.
If you cannot separate the two in your mind, then that’s going to be an issue for you here. The serious side here cannot be topped for baseball analysis. The off-color side will offend many many people. That’s just the way we are, but we do realize that we offend many people with it and keep it to ourselves here.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Exactly.
I would compare it to watching a Chris Rock stand up. You have to learn to not to take the off color humor seriously.
Fin - May 13, 2009
But how is that civil?
Especially when the writers themselves are trolling their own group.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
It's possible to have a civil conversation
It’s not possible to look at this whole blog and think ‘what a civil place’
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
We are civil to people worth being civil to.
New people get respect when they arrive. How long you keep it is entirely up to the them.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Well you spend so much time calling the entirety of LSB garbage.
Take an honest step back: comparing LOL threads to LSB threads, do you think that sweeping generalization is warranted?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
No chatspeak
d0nkey - May 13, 2009
Ehh, probably not the best time to bring that up.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Yeah, I didn't see this turning into a serious discussion
d0nkey - May 13, 2009
Readability is among our highest priorities and with that in mind I consider LL a rousing success
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
As opposed to Lone Star Ball.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Good god yes.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Because. . .
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Random huge pictures, chatspeak, +1s, no grammar or spelling requirements
Like I’ve said, I’m biased because people I find dumb don’t last long here, but there are just far more stupid people everywhere else, including LSB.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Also might I suggest USS Mariner?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Because seriously if you want good analysis and a completely different commenting culture that's the place for you
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I blame the USSM mods for the poor quality of the USSM comments
JI - May 13, 2009
The mod queue is amazing most of the time
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I smell coffee table book
JI - May 13, 2009
I spend some time on USSM.
I have some issues with Dave I’ll leave out of this discussion.
But, full disclosure, I’m editing for another SBN site (anyone who posts there knows but I don’t think which is a big deal), and so I’m more interested in SBN sites.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
How about outside of game day threads?
Don’t ask me to defend them. I’m a part of that to and have no issue with it.
I think you may also have a pretty high assessment of your group. At least you do admit bias.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
A lot of it stems from the fact that it has been made clear
that this website is NOT a “message board”, and as such there’s not a lot of “anything goes” trash talking about/between people. J/M/G try to enforce a higher standard of discussion here. Does it always work? No. But most of us try most of the time.
pdb - May 13, 2009
Is this thread an example?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
No.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
No.
This thread is an example of what happens when yesterday’s trollbombs happened. People have short fuses – as I explained last night, it’s just poor form to show up at your neighbor’s house and shit in their living room, and you can’t expect that we’d just take it with a smile and say “welcome trolls!”
Should we ignore trolls? Probably. Are we as bad as you seem to think? Not even close.
pdb - May 13, 2009
I agree.
And you’ll find plenty of LSB people over there who think the trolling is stupid as hell.
But I am pretty off-put by the writers — not just the commenters, the writers — trashing the entirety of other SBN blogs.
If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well. He doesn’t. It’s part of why I really enjoy reading him.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Something tells me that if cornered, AJM's opinion if his own sites comments wouldn't be much different that ours.
Goose - May 13, 2009
Elaborate.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
He's a fairly intelligent person, as evidenced by his writings over at LSB
and, as has been discussed in this thread, the readability and general comment quality of LSB is very poor. So an intelligent person, such as Adam Morris, would probably not be 100% pleased by what goes on there.
Of course, I could be mistaken. But I’d say it’s a pretty good bet.
Goose - May 13, 2009
Have you ever read anything other than gameday threads?
That are by their nature not particularly analytical.
DShep - May 13, 2009
I'm not Goose but I've read plenty of stuff on LSB.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
well ignore this
I see this conversation is taking place in this thread and this question has already been asked. I don’t have time to read it all, but I do want to quickly sum up my thoughts on this and move along. Feel free to ignore me.
I’ll admit I’m guilty of the exact same thing and have had a grudge against LL from reading comments bashing Lonestarball (which again goes both ways Im sure), but its really not fair to judge Lonestarball’s commentators based on gameday threads that are pretty much a separate entity from the rest of the site. Given the nature of your gameday threads (not particularly analytical either) I think you can understand.
I also think its understandable how the kind of brash posts that go on here could draw the ire of a few posters from a community that has a different tone.
There is legitimate baseball discussion on Lonstarball. There are more than a handful of people participating in said discussion. I honestly do not think anyone rationally viewing the news/player discussion threads could disagree.
So uh.. don’t judge too quickly. I’ll try not to do so in the future.
DShep - May 13, 2009
This is an excellent comment and in response I will behave in a civil manner
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I'll read some of the diaries in the past along with gamethreads.
Though, I’ll readily admit that I pretty much stopped reading the comments altogether because of their lack of quality. So it may have changed since then. When it comes to LSB, I resign myself to AJM’s articles, because I like his work, and it’s among my daily reads.
Goose - May 13, 2009
I've read
That should say.
Goose - May 13, 2009
There you go again, saying we do it all the time.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Where did I say all the time?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Okay, if AJM did it ever. Often. Sometimes. More than once.
It was the word I threw out for him.
However, I did not at any point put a frequency in that statement on when it happens here.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
It's a pretty direct implication.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Here:
“If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well.”
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Where in that did I say y'all do it all the time?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
The implication was there in your sentence
it’s like a reporter asking an athlete “so, when did you stop beating your wife?”
pdb - May 13, 2009
Implied in this line:
“If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well.”
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Incorrectly inferred.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Poorly written then.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Since crossover commenting has been enabled at the beginning of last season
LSB readers have trolled LL every series the Rangers and Mariners have played. And again, pretty sure Matthew was joking.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I don't defend the trolling.
So not sure why that keeps being brought up. I will easily agree that trolling is stupid.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Probably because
The trolls came HERE and you’re spending your time HERE talking to us about it.
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
That's right.
Home field advantage.
Fin - May 13, 2009
But I've already said the trolling is stupid.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
So this has moved from 'ability to have a civil conversation' to complaining that Matthew called LSB'ers fags?
You are aware that he was metatrolling, correct?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Isn't trolling a ban?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
At other sites.
You seem to have a different view of what we mean by the term trolling.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Were you trolling with your derogatory statements directed towards my sexuality?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
From my definition, and the definition used most often here?
No. I didn’t go over to LSB to post it, and it wasn’t unprovoked.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Here's why that happened
HH and LL have a, shall we say, contentious history – and a lot of it is because of trollbombing. Thus the trashing, and thus the aforementioned short fuse re: trolls. And I think your impression of the writers as perpetually trashing other SBN blogs is a bit off.
pdb - May 13, 2009
I don't have an impression that they are perpetually trashing other SBN blogs.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
(A) All the time?
(B) We hate the communities that send idiots over here. We hate them because we have to spend time moderating when we’d much rather be doing other things. Like writing. LSB has been a pain in the ass in that regard.
© I love AJM
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
you copyrighted this post?
do we have to pay royalties if we quote it now?
pdb - May 13, 2009
Damn you SBN for shrinking and enveloping my capital c
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
It ate my question marks yesterday
JI - May 13, 2009
It felt lonely and wanted a hug.
Like me.
I want a hug.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Awww.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Shouldn't you hate the idiots?
Instead of the community?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
More effort
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
We ban the idiots.
I feel no remorse over disliking the community for not controlling their idiots though.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Although AJM did a pretty good job limiting the flow once he found out about it
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
And there were a lot of comments over there agreeing with him that trolling is retarded.
Teej - May 13, 2009
This hasn't been limited to LSB either.
DRB has had it’s share of people boxed this year as well. The beautiful thing about SBN is that each site has it’s own unique set of standards.
Who’s fault is it exactly if the poster decides not to read the forum guidelines?
Omerta - May 13, 2009
If I only ever deal with the idiots then how I feel about the greater community is irrelevant
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I don't interact with LSB outside of gameday threads
So is the point that if I wanted to, I wouldn’t find you guys so bad?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Other than people I would weed out if given the chance. . .
. . . yes. I find it to be probably the most reasonable and bright significantly active sports board specific to one team I’ve ever been a part of.
As a Cowboys fan my standards are a lot lower than they should be, but I’ve still been a lot of places.
I don’t see too many threads like this there.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
But again, I don't see this thread as anything but amusing
I accept that this conversation is anything but civil, but I put it to you that we’re not incapable of having a civil conversation should we so chose.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
So what about the banning trash talkers for responding to trash talk?
Again, not that I defend trolling, but it does seem like a double standard.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We ban people for trolling.
I, at least, am not going to ban LLers for defending LL on LL.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
However, you do occasionally tell us to stop doing the moderators' jobs of explaining the rules.
I’d like to elucidate this a tad. If a troll comes over from another SBN blog, do I (or any other LLer) have the right to explain to him/her the etiquette of LL and nicely ask them to cut it out?
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
One or two people may do that with our blessing
we just want to do what we can to prevent needless dogpiling. Which is difficult, I know, but it’s gotten a lot better.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
One or two people?
Understand that I respect you an inordinate amount, Jeff, but isn’t that picking favorites? I would say let either everyone do this, or just the mods.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Some people are better at it than other people
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I suppose so.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
I've often tried to earnestly explain to a new poster the error of their ways
And been subsequently shut down by a fellow regular or mod.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
I didn't mean one or two people that we hand select
I meant one or two people can do it, but we don’t want a whole bunch of users to pile on top of one another.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I understand.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
gay
Robert - May 13, 2009
Again?
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
;)
.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
What Jeff said.
Also, what Graham said, but that wasn’t really in response to the actual point.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
There's always been a double standard
Having double standards doesn’t make us somehow force us to be complete bastards every waking hour.
I’m not very nice. This is freely admitted. I think winding up people I don’t like is funny. I’m also able to talk baseball rationally and in great detail. These are two independent things.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Well, it's obviously your right to support jerks and have a double standard.
Back to my original point: it’s just disappointing. I would like a civil Mariners board on SBN. I’m willing to accept that I won’t get it.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Define civility.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Not finding biased trash talk from the writers would be tops on my list.
Among other things.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
That's a really odd definition of civility.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
On matters of actual relevance we might be the last place you'll find biased trash talk from the writers
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I disagree.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Please provide examples, then.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I can do that some other time perhaps.
Don’t think I started reading LOL yesterday. I’ve read this place since before I knew any other blog on SBN but Beyond the Boxscore existed.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Well then here we are
If that’s your stance then I guess you’re shit out of luck trying to find a Mariners community you like on SBN, because we’re not about to change anything.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Understood.
I never expected things to change. I expressed disappointment and then responded to the responses.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I will maintain that if you're looking for civil conversation, we are more than capable
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
What if I'm hoping to find one before I start talking?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Then you're still in the right place unless you're wondering what we're thinking about during a game thread
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Don't enter a thread that's already been invaded by trolls.
That would be my suggestion.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Wait until someone else asks an honest question?
Or a real analysis post pops up? I dunno, it doesn’t seem that hard to me.
But again, I’m biased and I can get people to shut up and stay on topic if I need to
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
People post here all of the time and become regulars.
It’s clearly not as off-putting here as you seem to think.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I can even eat a meal with seven forks without breaking etiquette!
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
You're being very polite in this conversation, but you're not very convincing.
Teej - May 13, 2009
And I'm not being a dick.
What is uncivil about LL? The jokes? Ignore them. If you want to discuss baseball we’re more than capable of doing so. We’re not mouth-breathing 14 year old sex perverts or retarded puppy dogs. We are civil when it’s necessary, we just don’t feel the need to censor ourselves when it’s not.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
You've gotten a largely civil conversation out of this subthread.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
And large portions of it are exactly not that.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
The only examples you've provided were perfectly civil.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
And to be fair
I apologized for the harshness of my comment.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Really, how did you expect people to react to a bunch of morons from LSB coming over here trolling?
This isn’t your house, so act like a good guest and you’ll be treated just fine. Be respectful and you’ll get treated with respect. If you don’t, you’ll get mocked into oblivion and banned, what’s so hard to understand?
You don’t see a bunch of Lookout Landing posters going over to LSB and trolling you every time we play a series do you? No, and I think that speaks volumes about the quality of the commenters at each respective blog.
OlSalty - May 13, 2009
Ban them and then mock the individuals?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We find it funny.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Good for you.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Civility!
Teej - May 13, 2009
It harms no one.
People that act like dicks deserve to be mocked.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I'm pretty sure I got called a "fag" before I said anything.
That’s mocking a lot more than the trolls.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
It's your own fault for taking that comment seriously
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Or at least for assuming it was serious without understanding the context in which it was delivered.
Teej - May 13, 2009
Then it's your own fault for getting trolls.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
The logic behind this conclusion is astounding.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
That's a retarded sentiment.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Follows the same logic.
You’re bothered by trolls. I’m bothered by deragatory terms directed towards my sexuality.
If you insulting me is my fault, then perhaps the culture you cultivate is why you attract trolls.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We only seem to attract trolls from one community
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
That's not how logic works.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Wait wait
If you taking his off the cuff ‘fags’ thing personally is your fault, then him getting trolled for making a reference to Josh Hamilton’s past problems is his fault?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Why are you still going on about this man?
There is probably nothing to gain from arguing with J/M/G.
Fin - May 13, 2009
The joke came in response to the trolls.
Teej - May 13, 2009
We don't actually mind the trolls
We find them amusing
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Although holy christ I would really like to make myself some dinner
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
My dinner was Victory Wild Devil IPA
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Ten Fidy and Summer Solstice!
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
You need a job where you can be fed at work.
JI - May 13, 2009
Pay no heed to this.
I very much mind the trolling. And my ban and warn record will prove this.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Modfight!
JI - May 13, 2009
Oh I ban them but I find it funny
The trolls from here that go to other sites are much much more annoying
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I find it not funny at all.
I want them to just stay away.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Still with this, really?
For one, Matthew calls me a fag on at least a daily basis, and for two, it wasn’t intended in the way you have decided it was. It quite clearly was not.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Was it the only example of attacking an entire site instead of just the trolls?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
The joke is in direct response to comments from the LSB trolls.
You’re missing that part of the joke.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Yes that's what we do
And it’s very funny, especially when it is very clear from their comments that the people we’re dealing with are not terribly witty. Because not only are the stupid but they’re also belligerent and headstrong and walking into someone elses house telling them what to do. Those people deserve to be mocked and banned.
But also, when there are a large number of people from another blog collectively coming over here for the sole purpose of trolling unprovoked it doesn’t speak very well about that blog, either. I can understand why Adam would be mad.
OlSalty - May 13, 2009
In their defence my Hamilton letter was pretty clear bait
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Which made it hilarious.
Making fun of Josh Hamilton in itself isn’t funny. Baiting is.
Teej - May 13, 2009
Exactly.
I have a great deal of respect for the fellow, but the reactions are too hilarious to pass up.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I was also trying to annoy the Brandon Morrow diabetes crowd
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I am still annoyed that he played the tired Diabetic card.
Fin - May 13, 2009
He posted here, guys, gosh.
Leave the poor man and his blood sugar alone.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
God, this sarcasm is terrible
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
It seems like
You’ve been forcefully trying to prove this point all along.
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
And again, if you don't think it's possible to have a civil conversation, I'm sorry
I’m 100% convinced that it is, because it happens here regularly.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Ask an honest question and you will get a civil response
It’s really very simple. I wouldn’t devote so much of my time to a blog that just treated everyone like douchebags all the time.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
If I may say
There appears to be something specific about the mods, comments, or the overall environment of LL that you seem to simply not like. Whatever rubbed you in the wrong way, it’s just something that’s a part of the culture of LL, and it’s not likely to change.
Are we the most respectable, civil SBN blog ever? No, but we are more than capable of having civil conversations with people.
But it seems like you’re holding us to this standard of “civility” that we are clearly unable to reach. It’s unfair to continue to imply that we’re not capable of what we consider, amongst ourselves, civil conversation.
JLC - May 13, 2009
Well obviously the game threads aren't very civil
but when it comes to the analysis pieces G/M/J put up, I don’t think there’s another SBN blog that comes close to LL in terms of objectivity and civility.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Unless I'm talking about catcher
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I can't wait to see what you'll post if Jeffie gets called up.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
That will never happen
JI - May 13, 2009
:(
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Hey yeah now that you mention it.
Do you have any links to what you’re reading about catcher defense that have helped to form you opinion? Or is it material that is not freely accessible?
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
It was mentioned in the original post.
I believe notably an article about catcher’s defense by Tom Tango in the 2009 THT Annual.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Ahhh thanks for the starting point.
I missed that one somehow.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Wilkommen.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
And you'll notice that the discussions that follow those posts typically don't suck
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Objectivity I somestimes question.
It’s not entirely unique to LOL, though. The intelligence on the front page is absolutely up there, I won’t disagree.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We hate everyone that plays for the Mariners.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Which is a kind of bias I guess
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I have read this charge at LSB a lot, or similar ones.
I lurk at all of the AL West SBN sites fairly regularly. LSB’s readership seem to think we never talk about baseball here, that the baseball IQ level of the average poster here isn’t especially high, etc. I have no idea how this conclusion has been reached.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
It may be off base.
But would you even accept for a second that it may be founded?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
No. It's not.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
LL has literally the highest baseball IQ amongst commenters of any site site I know of.
JI - May 13, 2009
That seems like rejection of personal falibility.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Or an honest understanding of his own abilities?
Who knows.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Possibly.
I believe in allowing for multiple possibilities and avoiding an arrogant viewpoint of thinking anyone’s problem with me can’t possibly be my own doing.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Whenever people have a problem with me it's because I want them to
Pretending I’m not much brighter than the vast majority of humanity is pointless and I’m not going to do it.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Even needing to bring it up is pretty disgusting.
I don’t find bloggers talking about how smart they are often.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Graham's smarter than most bloggers.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Fine coming from you.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I just think it's funny people take him as seriously as they do.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Hey brother, maybe shoot me an email
I have an address listed in my profile. I’m just a run of the mill commenter here, but for shit’s and giggles sake do me a favor?
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Again, you seem to be desiring humility.
It’s just not going to happen here.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
And, again, that's disappointing.
Humility is a human trait I admire. A lot. And something I wish I had more of.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Yes let's lie a lot
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Why do you need to say anything about it at all?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Because you asked about Matthew rejecting personal falibility?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Which came from where?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
AC talking about the LL rep on other blogs?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
You brought it up
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Then LL isn't going to be the place for you.
That pretty much wraps it up.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
We are humble when faced with something we don't know much about
That doesn’t happen very often when we’re talking about the Mariners, so why play make believe?
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Because then other people will like us more?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I'm liked by the people by whom I want to be liked
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
What a scary concept
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Your father clone and about three other people who don't know how racist you actually are?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Liking is for the weak.
You should aim to be feared!
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
I have yet to see Sky Kalkman or Adam J. Morris talk about how brilliant they are.
Even though they both know a ton about their chosen subjects.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Graham is Graham and some people get him and some people don't.
I love the little fellow and I feel bad for people that don’t get him.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Who cares?
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Myself.
There’s no reason you should care what I think, but I figured this discussion began because you did. Otherwise, I imagine you would have just ignored me.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
What an astounding degree of civility we afforded you by responding too.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Believe it or not we responded because you asked a question politely
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Yeah that's not at all what I meant
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
What exactly did you mean?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
What difference does it make how often Sky or Adam talk about themselves?
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I was using two examples of people I find to be both bright and humble.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We don't talk about how brilliant we are either
but if someone brings it up, why deny that most of the time we know what we’re talking about?
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
And if you asked either of the two
if they thought they knew more about baseball analysis than the average person that posts on SBN, what do you think they’d honestly say?
JLC - May 13, 2009
I still don't see what's so great about humility
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
False humility to boot
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Humility is great when called for
but confidence and pride are underrated as well.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Perhaps I should've said "I still don't see what's so great about false humility"
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Makes lesser people feel better about themselves.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
And that's how you get a bad community
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Agreed.
I just don’t like unanswered questions.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I'm an arrogant jerk when talking about the three things I know shit about.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
That would seem to be contradicted by your statements in this very thread.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
It seems as though any time someone disagrees with you
you find a new way to make the argument about something else entirely. You asked a very simple question and you got an answer. Instead of refuting it you’re trying to make this about Matthew’s ego.
If you think such allegations are founded, give an example.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I don't necessarily think they are founded.
I’m not going to rule out any possibilities.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Anyone that thinks the baseball discussion at LL is not intelligent is 100% wrong.
Coming to any other conclusion would have to be based on an insanely limited amount of evidence, which means such a belief can’t be well founded.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
It might seem that way.
I actually read every SBN blog, they’re all on my RSS feed back from the days that I had to cultivate worthwhile content to recommend at The Hardball Times. I know what other blogs write. We’re better than they are.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I also read every SBN baseball blog and plenty of other blogs.
I will absolutely grant your front page content as perhaps the most intelligent.
But to matter-of-factly and arrogantly declare your own blog as “better”. . . well, that’s just part of the problem.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I think that the people who write content on this blog should be confident in their work.
I wouldn’t read their content on a daily basis if they weren’t.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Let's put it this way
We like LL better than the other blogs. If we didn’t, we couldn’t put in nearly as much effort into it as we do.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I would argue that it is in fact the opposite of a problem.
I enjoy the fact that I don’t have to wade through a bunch of chatspeak, pictures of boobs, political discussion and incomprehensible rambling to enjoy the discussion here. LL is better than most other blogs. It’s a value judgment, certainly, but that doesn’t make it arrogant.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Boobs are hard to find man
JI - May 13, 2009
So we're possibly the best content wise
but saying we’re the best is a problem?
You seem to not be looking for civility, but rather humility. You’re not going to find much of that here.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Possibly.
Yes, arrogance is, in fact, a disappointing trait to find in someone who you want to read.
Especially when it comes to an area like statistical analysis, where accepting the possibility of being wrong is important.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Very rarely will you find us arrive at a conclusion with 100% certainty
We always entertain the possibility that we’re wrong because we’re not in the clubhouse talking to these guys.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
If we didn't accept the possibility of being wrong
we wouldn’t be as good of analysts as we are.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
When have we not accepted the possibility that we're wrong, ever?
It’s way more interesting to be wrong than be right. You never learn anything from being right.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I can understand how having an excessive amount of pride and ego in one's self can be bad
But LL isn’t about being humble or accepting every viewpoint of every single person. If we think someone is being stupid, we’ll call them an idiot. The fact is that there are dumb people and smart people, just as there are good blogs and bad blogs.
We don’t purport LL to be gospel, but it’s really fucking good baseball analysis.
JLC - May 13, 2009
I understand it's the way LL is.
I get that. My original statement was not trying to change LL. It was a statement of being disappointed by the way things are.
I prefer blogs that find a way to be intelligent and also not douchey. That’s just me. And as a resident of Washington — with some of the nicest people in general of anywhere I’ve been — I’m also surprised, but then, of course: it’s the internet. I readily admit that places I have no respect for I’m a lot more antagonistic than I am otherwise.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We're douchey to douches
I don’t understand how we’re still on this. Either you haven’t read LL often enough or you have unusually high standards for civility.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
The latter cannot be the case considering the examples put forth at LSB and BtB
Matthew - May 13, 2009
It is the case.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Then you are turning a blind eye to your own.
Because I have read both of those sites plenty of times and come across several instances of regulars defying the common definition of civility.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
I sure as hell don't think LSB is perfect.
If that’s what you think.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
No, but you seem to imply
with your comments that there is a higher standard of civility (read: courtesy or politeness) at BtB and LSB than one would find here. I just don’t see how you can argue that without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred at said blogs within the past year (not to mention the past week).
Basically it seems to me that you’re holding our Mariners blog to a higher standard then you are holding your Rangers and BtB blogs to, respectively.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
Well. . .
I just don’t see how you can argue they are not more civil without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred on this blog within the past year.
I don’t think I’m holding LL to a higher standard. But, yes, my sample size of experience here is smaller than yours, and yours is smaller than mine at those sites.
One of us may be turning a blind eye. It may, of course, be me. I don’t think it is but it’s entirely possible. Since we have no way to actually prove who’s right, we probably have to move on.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I don't think anyone is arguing that we're more civil than anywhere else
All we’re saying is that we’re capable of being civil, and to deny that assertion is pretty weird.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Capable yes.
To the level I personally wish there was, no.
I get that doesn’t bother you. Nor should it.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I will grant that LSB may very well be more civil than we are
But with worse readability, I can’t be assed to investigate very thoroughly.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
People are absolutely horrible to each other at LSB.
There are vitriolic political discussions, insanely long flame threads, etc. Those things don’t happen here. When we do have arguments they’re usually quite civil and devoid of ad hominems.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
There are a couple people I can pick out I'll agree with.
Thank heavens for the troll script and Z key.
In general, I disagree with you, nor is it particularly what bothers me most (though it does).
But most importantly, I see civility from the writer.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
LSB has/needs a troll script?
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Yes and yes.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Well there you go
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
What on earth is a troll script?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
It uses Monkeywrench and blocks certain commentors.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
It has one because someone created it.
And I have yet to spend any time in an online community that couldn’t use one.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We have a troll script here
It’s me
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
You're a darn good one, too.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
You don't work 100% off the time.
Robert - May 13, 2009
Save for egregious idiots. . .
. . . I would prefer to be able to ignore who I want, rather than have the mods choose for me.
A few of the people I would ignore if I used the troll script others are fine with. I don’t necessarily want them banned, I just wouldn’t mind if they stopped posting.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Well you could use it for here to block all the comments from people who aren't nice
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
But the fact that you even need one speaks volumes
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I don't think it's a need.
I dont’ use it, so is it a need?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Doesn't work here.
Nevermind the obvious issue with that. . .
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I have a 10 rec bounty for the first person that complete a little project for me.
Robert - May 13, 2009
I will bring up the White Sox fan again
from LSB just last week. Several of your regulars wished cancer upon Hawk Harrelson. The White Sox fan was offended. The regulars told him in essence to lighten up.
The same dynamic seems to be in play here. Rangers fans didn’t really want Hawk to get cancer. We don’t think Hamilton still uses cocaine.
The internet is not a place where one will find Victorian era manners in effect, and sports blogs are amongst the last places one should anticipate that level of “civility.” If one is to frequent places such as these, one needs to be able to differentiate between something which is intended as harmless humor and that which is not. Personally, I find this community (as a whole) to be exceptionally good at that.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
I didn't see that.
Nor do I think it sounds particularly defensible.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Nor do I think I'm particularly above it.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I actually...
did want Hawk to get cancer.
ghostofErikThompson - May 14, 2009
As far as turning a blind eye. . .
. . . I’ll have you know I place the Cowboys well above the Rangers, but I’d say Blogging the Boys (for some different reasons) is far more insufferable for me than just about any other blog I’ve been to on SBN.
I definitely place LL ahead of it, even though I would smile (no offense) if the Mariners died in a fire, and I would personally murder every Ranger if it would deliver the Cowboys a few more championships.
philkid3 - May 14, 2009
Now you're getting it!
So what you seek is some respect for your favorite blog…you’re insulted not because this place can be crass at times, but because the subject matter involves LSB commenters and you feel the need to stick up for the place.
I think it’s been amply displayed in this thread that both the writers and the community can engage in civil discourse, but if you still feel the need to generalize this place as uncivil to counterbalence Matthew’s statement about gender roles on LSB (something that was clearly a joke)…more power to you I guess.
Omerta - May 14, 2009
If you think LL is incapable of civil, non-douchey discussion
I have to think that you really haven’t taken the time to read the material posted here.
There have been many, many threads like this that illustrate just how helpful this community is.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
A problem for whom?
Simply because the writers and the commenters believe this to be amongst the best sports blogs out there doesn’t preclude us from providing an environment for civil conversation…and even in the case where some might feel the environment isn’t civil there are both guidelines and warnings which caution the new or visiting poster before entering the premises. Basically, the expectations one should have are laid out before one gets here…and if they don’t find them “acceptable,” there are alternatives to Mariner coverage.
I think, however, you’d be dissapointed in what you would find there, particularly in terms of “civil” discussion.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
Nope.
JI - May 13, 2009
Absolutely not.
The baseball knowledge of the average LL reader is off the map. The baseball discussion here is better than anywhere else.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Even the members here that don't have a grasp of the more detailed metric analysis
are leaps and bounds brighter than most posters on other blogs.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
With all due respect, that's retarded
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Two THT writers, one fangraphs writer, and the guy who invented tRA?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
That's four people
JI - May 13, 2009
Maybe some people are dumb enough to do two things at once
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Just two?
:(
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I was talking about my not-writing and drinking
It’s hard work man
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Which two are the statcorner bloggers?
JI - May 13, 2009
J/M/G and put a shit ton of work into LL and they receive very, very little material benefit for doing so.
They have every right to moderate it in a way that makes it reflect the kind of community they wish to create and I am frankly baffled as to why more SBN mods don’t do the same thing.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
You should get into PR
Because you are really good at explaining these things.
Fin - May 13, 2009
This is probably the biggest point of all
LL is what we want it to be because if it weren’t, we wouldn’t want to spend as much time here as we do. It’s not for everybody. We don’t want it to be for everybody. We’re not AN, and I hope we never are.
LL is intelligent, readable, and out-and-out crass, and that’s exactly how we like it. If some people get offended, then that’s not a concern of mine. If I’m going to spend dozens of hours on this site every week, I don’t really want to spend them dealing with the oversensitive.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
And that's well within your rights.
But AN is one of my favorite blogs (at least the community) and I would like an SBN blog like that for the Mariners. You don’t have to want that.
I expressed my disappointment is all.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Now I'm not even sure if you're being serious
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Would you also like LSB to be like AN?
Or would you keep it just the way it is?
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
There are things I would like to change about LSB, of course.
But not much. For one, it has one of the best bloggers out there whose attitude in general is the example I want from someone writing for the community I choose to be a part of.
What I would change there would probably be banning a few specific people, but I understand the idea of letting somewhere “police itself.”
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Didn't AN just run off their most statistically inclined commenters?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Yep
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Then we will never be on the same page ever
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Sounds about right.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
They're also from Texas
Fuzz - May 13, 2009
This is an example of a poor response
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Lots of Texas is neat.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
There's way more Texas than people!
But yeah you’re right, I’m just being a smart ass.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
The people or the state physically?
Because the state is something that can’t be matched in physical beauty, but the people there are almost as bad as those from New York
Fuzz - May 13, 2009
This subthread is the last thing that needs to happen
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Speak athlete
JI - May 13, 2009
Not helping either.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
SUBTHREAD CLOSED.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
This
is why LL exceeds readers’ expectations.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Austin!
I think I remember this conversation from somewhere else.
Fin - May 13, 2009
As an Austinite
I would like you to please remind everyone that yes, a lot of stupid conservative texans are unbareable, but us Austinites consider ourselves the Seattle of Texas… And as a proud almost student of University of Seattle and former resident of Seattle, I would like to respectfully disagree with your insinuation that all Texans are like the fuckers above you refer to and remind you to please be more specific in the future.
FormerLSBUser - May 13, 2009
I have lived in both Texas and Washington.
I have a lot of trouble anyone who didn’t just have blind state pride (which I understand) could think Texas is even close to the state we have here.
That said, I think hating on Texas got kind of old several decades ago. It’s still a state with a lot ot offer (good and bad).
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
It's a slightly less obnoxious DRB
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
That's a new and hitherto unexplored definition of 'slightly'
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Remember when we could walk freely through DRB without the fear of being raped?
JI - May 13, 2009
I can't remember what I ate for lunch
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Burrito, chicken, black beans, no sour cream
Matthew - May 13, 2009
That sounds like me and delicious
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
If you want to have a senile-off don't bother because you can't beat me.
JI - May 13, 2009
Brain damage will do that to you
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Precisely.
Teej - May 13, 2009
Yes
But we ban everyone who we think is dumb so there’s an obvious bias in there
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Could you imagine having to stay completely serious as a Mariners fan?
d0nkey - May 13, 2009
That would only be possible if everyone on this site stopped drinking.
And you know that won’t happen. In fact, I feel like cracking open a Fat Tire right now.
Fin - May 13, 2009
I can't stop recommending Cinder Cone, 'tis but a seasonal. So jump on it!
Price went up at the local grocer however.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Nice!
You know, for my birthday next year, I want to tour all the microbreweries in the Northwest. I think that might be fun.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Deschutes product out of Bend, Oregon. Every spring like clockwork.
Didn’t have the pizzaz it had last year, but my pallet is notoriously bad. Takes a sledgehammer to register, seriously. Still most brewers hold over hops from last season to the next to mix in, supposed to get a better continuity and all.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Absolutely.
And nice touch with the hypocritical subject line.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
You twist the use of sarcasm pretty far.
And I believe my original point was that having a civil place for the Mariners on LSB would be nice. I don’t think I said that you’re necessarily doing anything wrong. So I fail to see the hypocrisy.
If you actually feel like reading the thoughts of a couple of my friends and find the discourse to be a turn-off, I would definitely take that to heart. I don’t intend on talking trash towards fan bases.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
The problem is a lot of your LSB friends do seem to intend just that
so that tends to raise the collective hackles.
pdb - May 13, 2009
Hypocrisy.
You said: “Well you spend so much time calling the entirety of LSB garbage.”
followed by talking about sweeping generalizations.
We don’t spend much time at all discussing LSB. Outside of LSB members coming here to troll us, we pay LSB no heed at all.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Did you or did you not call every single LSB member a fairly derogatory term?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
That would take a long time to do.
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
That actually didn't take long at all to do.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
As for your other comments.
I have no interested in any kind of blog war between LL and LSB. There’s a reason I’ve been sticking around this thread issuing four warning to any member of LL going over to LSB tonight.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I would LOVE for LL members to come over, personally.
I would just hope we were accepting of them, I would hope they weren’t trolls, and I would hope they’re sensitive towards losses (even when logical about those losses, it’s best to just stay away).
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Ok.
Why?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Why to which part?
If it’s loving for them to come over, because I think cross-pollination is a good thing. Some reasonable Mariners perspectives I, personally, wouldn’t mind seeing when relevent.
When not relevent, well. . . the more the merrier, I guess.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Why would Mariner perspectives be useful to a Rangers blog?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
I'm pretty sure that this wouldn't work at all during game threads.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Heavens no!
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I suppose we could trade analysis of the AL West. Might work.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
But we don't really want to so there's that problem
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
True.
LSB posters can just read LL stuff on LL.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
We can talk about other teams here
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I meant the little people of this blog.
Not the writers who don’t want to stoop to other teams levels, I mean having those from other teams in the comment sections.
And my comment wasn’t trying to get people over. It was saying I’d enjoy it. I’m not really sure that needed a condescending attitude to come along.
My statement was simply: I wouldn’t mind talking to Mariners fans, as well.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
So post at LL.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
That's like exactly what we've been talking about for hours
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I'm good at condensing.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
Was that my point?
Or was my point that I would like (and not mind) if they came to LSB, but if they don’t big deal?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Your point seems to keep jumping around.
Because for a long while your point seemed to be wanting a Mariner blog on SBN that you could comment at.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Or at least enjoy reading.
Yes, that was one of my points at some point in this thread.
Not in this subset of comments, though.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
The trick to solving an argument is to determine what exactly the question is.
Your question seems to be “is there a way for fans/posters from various teams to communicate and discuss their respective teams amongst each other?”
The answer would be “yes.” Roundtable chats. Post reasonably and respectfully on other blogs. Ask questions at other blogs. Read their content. There are plenty of ways.
.Taylor - May 14, 2009
Frankly, I find it impressive that J/M/G
have taken the time to respond to your comments. That in itself should tell you a lot about the “civility” of LL.
Learn to lighten up and not take everything on the internet at face value. I really hope you’re not taking the fag and cocaine comments seriously.
redwolf75 - May 13, 2009
Or the panties in a bunch comment.
But yes, I am surprised this went on as long as it did. J/M/G must’ve had nothing better to do tonight.
Fin - May 13, 2009
I'm still debating whether I should write something about this game
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I would only want you to write about it because you write such good content.
That game seriously sucked, I don’t know if it is worth being revisited.
Fin - May 13, 2009
I think this calls for a brief MS-Paint recap.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Or a photo recap.
I think Jeff should have experimented a bit more with that.
Actually, on second thought, a lot of photoshopping ensued.
Fin - May 13, 2009
It's hard to do that without seeming like I'm just recycling material
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Well the Ms keep recycling being bad.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
Jeff should save the Recap in Pictures idea for the day the Ms win the World Series.
…We’re never going to see a Recap in Pictures again in our lifetime.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
I already wrote my World Series post
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
You're just going to bump that to the front page and then go streaking, aren't you?
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Almost certainly yes
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Ty Walker didn't even make the team
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Like anyone would care
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
You'd hear about it for months
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Not from anyone that matters
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Yeah Jeff.
You should bring that back. That’d be a great idea.
CapSea - May 14, 2009
I knew this was post was by you without ever needing to see the tagline.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
We had Arthur Rhodes last year!
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
Oh yeah. :(
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
He had a 1.75 tRA after we traded him and a 1.98 so far this season.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
I think it was soon after the "recap in pictures" that Jeff started hating me.
CapSea - May 14, 2009
Once the Mariners turn bad I hate everybody
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
Who can blame you.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
Dude...
That’s a lot of hate.
CapSea - May 14, 2009
I'm big
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
Way to take all the subtlety out of TWSS
Poochie - May 14, 2009
And that didn't even occur to me.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
Jeff needs more humility and learn how to be accepting of other people
like the person he claims to be.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
Jeff is scary.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
Quotith Jeff:
CapSea - May 14, 2009
:(
Robert - May 14, 2009
Beltre homered in this game
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
I remember.
CapSea - May 14, 2009
Not seriously to the point that I'm crying or angry.
I do find them distasteful, though. As do I find blog wars to be. And I’m sure I’m going to have a response “that’s LL, learn to deal or get out,” and I understand that.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We're really much more pleasant when we're not playing the Rangers
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Or on off days
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Why does a nearly irrelevant team get you all up in arms?
And, from having cruised here on and off over close to a year or so, I believe you.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Division rival, constant trolling?
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Because commenters from their blog came here and trolled.
How are you not getting this?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I've seen plenty of threads where this did not happen. . .
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
And in those threads we bashed LSB?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
The Rangers themselves don't get me all up in arms
Playing them actually used to put me to sleep when MLB.tv had the Texas broadcast (not intended as an insult, that’s just how it worked).
It’s when we start getting LSB trolls that people get irritated, and we tend to get a lot of them.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
It led to that epic Cat and the Moon fake dialogue recap!
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I get the trolls.
I think the trolls are stupid and should be banned. Definitely not my issue, nor do I defend them.
Admittedly, I have found it hard not to troll here in the past. Of all the blogs I ever go to, it’s the only one that compells me to do so. You guys do write some inciting stuff.
You can defend that, but I hope at least you can understand it.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
For what it's worth I think we've gotten a lot better at being pleasant on the main page and putting the inciting stuff in the comments
I think we’re maturing.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
You and you're "F-bombs"...
Matthew - May 13, 2009
If people are offended by common curse words then I'm not even going to bother trying to appease them
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I just realized today that when I'm really mad I start to use euphemisms
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Samesies!
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
and/or mix curse levels
Poochie - May 13, 2009
I say things like gosh fucking darnit.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Yes
But then again when I am blinded by rage I sometimes use the Q-word
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Quim?
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Nope
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Quiver?
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Cupid?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Starts with "C"
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Not the one
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Quinine?
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
It ends in "f"
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Quaff?
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Queerf?
Robert - May 13, 2009
You're getting warmer
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Rats.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Starts with "R"
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Ram it.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
I've been meaning to talk to you about this....
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Blow it out your vag
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I have never said this to anyone before
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Always a first time!
Except for Robert.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I despise it when girls call it their vag
Robert - May 13, 2009
No girls do.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
This is unfortunately untrue.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Better than yoni.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
YONI? What the fuck?
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Hippies!
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Sweet fancy Moses.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
I wonder how long it will take kentroyals to write "thats because you like it better when they call it a penis"
Robert - May 13, 2009
k
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I have.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Well technically you just typed it
Poochie - May 13, 2009
My statement is still true
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I suppose in the technical sense.
But you should just go say it to someone now to get it out of the way
Poochie - May 13, 2009
I do owe my mother a phone call
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Mother's Day was last Sunday you insensitive prick.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Tell her we're still on for bingo next week at the Elks Lodge.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
"vag" sounds like it should have an e on the end
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Wish your mother my best regards on the 23rd
Robert - May 13, 2009
Well that's retarded and more gay than a Mexican wearing a headdress.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Ole!
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Don't be racist, RC.
Don’t you have a sandwich to go make me anyways?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
(hugs)
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I would make you a sandwich in a goddamn heartbeat.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
(snugs)
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
I agree.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
yep
Click on the profile of the people who have trolled lookout landing and I think you will find that most of them have never trolled any other SBN site. Its not some deep character trait.
This site has a specific tone quite unique among SBN and sports pages in general. You post a joke thats meant for your crowd, but this being the internet our crowd sees it. Most people have the restraint to at least keep the responses on lonestarball, a few don’t. And not everyone has been around long enough to know whats typical around here.
Thus everyone here then sees a couple trolls from lonestarball, bash them and lonestarball in general. Then lonestarball sees that, and now everyone thinks everyone else is an idiot… when in reality if you back out of these specific threads that ignited bashing eachother you will find intelligent baseball discussion on both.
As I said in my previous comment, I completely admit guilt to doing the same thing. I saw Jeff call us all idiots, and thus I drop some rationality and insult lookout landing out of spite.
Nice vicious cycle we’ve got going. Start the healing!
DShep - May 13, 2009
Turns out context is important
and I have no use for people who have no use for context
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Does that include people from LL?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
People here are regularly flamed by us for ignoring context.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Like LSB being judged on game day threads?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
That's not all they're judged by.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
And you are going to tell me straight up
That the actual baseball discussion threads have very little intelligent discussion and only a few decent posters?
DShep - May 14, 2009
Putting words in my mouth you are.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
So.. thats a no?
Feel free to say what you think so I can reply to your actual words.
That is clearly the overall feeling on this website that philkid was addressing.
DShep - May 14, 2009
Honestly?
I don’t care. Just keep your trolls off our blog.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
..then why are you replying?
i didn’t beg you to get involved.
DShep - May 14, 2009
Because you directly asked me a question.
So I replied.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
Who the fuck cares?
Why do you care so much about what we think of you? I’m pretty sure most of us don’t give a shit what you think about us, we just don’t want a bunch of you coming over and making a bunch of dumbass comments every time we play each other, which has been happening for years.
OlSalty - May 14, 2009
Well
I’ve seen comments from LSB posted over here many many times.
Who would enjoy a group of people bashing their community? If you all have such think skin this debate wouldn’t have gotten past the deletion of a couple troll posts.
DShep - May 14, 2009
No, the debate happened because phil asked a question in a non-flaming manner.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
Sure it would
Because, as has been explained previously, y’all being so sensitive is funny to us and we want to keep it going for the humor of it all.
OlSalty - May 14, 2009
sure, thats it.
I know what I’ve seen and I didn’t come over here to try to take more potshots.
This has taken a turn for the worse, goodbye.
DShep - May 14, 2009
Toodles
OlSalty - May 14, 2009
You shall be missed
Poochie - May 14, 2009
Perhaps we should just agree that we like our respective communities and that it's probably quite unfair to judge them by their game threads
The majority of LSB wouldn’t like LL, and the majority of LL wouldn’t like LSB. That much is pretty clear. So all that’s left to do is make sure that idiots don’t start flaming the other website. Put that to an end and we’ll all be peaches.
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
Of course it does
In fact, using memes out of context is one of the biggest humor-killers of all, so I’d say it’s an even bigger issue for the native posters than for the visitors.
OlSalty - May 13, 2009
heh
Can you not see that I just explained the context of lonestarball posts that I think you are ignoring?
DShep - May 13, 2009
Yeah, I don't care for you.
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Alrighty then poochy.
Good talkin’ to you.
DShep - May 14, 2009
How about this conversation you are having right now?
I’d call this pretty civil. If J/M/G wanted too, they could of just banned you too along with the rest of them and been pretty justified about it.
Goose - May 13, 2009
I disagree on it being pretty civil.
1
2
My standard for civil would probably be Beyond the Boxscore, Lone Star Ball and Coug Center, where I spend most of my time. With some notable exceptions, they don’t have a whole lot of garbage getting thrown around.
At the very least I would imagine those who revel in their debauchery wouldn’t be bothered by similar response.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We are generally civil unless not shown civility in return
pdb - May 13, 2009
I find it a little bit odd that someone who has ever used tRA can think we're incapable of a civil conversation here
How do you think we developed it? Calling each other faggots until it worked?
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
shut up buttpirate
GOD
pdb - May 13, 2009
I don't necessarily think you're entirely incapable.
If I’ve said so, it was a mistake. More accurate would be not at the level I PERSONALLY would wish for.
You don’t want that, I understand.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I don't see how #1 isn't civil.
And while you could make an argument for #2, it’s not exactly false(neither is #1).
Goose - May 13, 2009
I wouldn't call it uncivil.
I would basically say probably going a bit too far.
Fin - May 13, 2009
BtB's comments are horrifically uncivil and I rarely comment there anymore for that very reason.
The mods aren’t willing to do what it would take to make it a less acidic place to comment and that’s fine because it’s their show; I adore R.J., I’ve had plenty of great discussions with Sky and I think the rest of y’all do a bang up job on the content. But to call the commenting environment civil is a massive stretch.
I’m not even going to comment upon LSB being a model of civility other than to say that my experience reading comment threads generally makes me want to jump off of a bridge.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Yeah I'd have to sat BtB is far from civil
JI - May 13, 2009
Would you like to expand on that?
I’d welcome examples.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Pretty much everything larry has ever said ever, for one.
I don’t feel like searching the archives for specific examples, but there are a few posters that are routinely face-meltingly acerbic to people with whom they disagree on things which are clearly matters of opinion, and they’re given pretty much free reign.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I would actually like if SBN had a private message system.
Because I thank you for this response and wouldn’t mind talking about it, but for privately discussed reasons, it shouldn’t be public.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
It's called warning and flagging
Play with your admin abilities more
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
My email is in my profile.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
And I'm definitely sorry about that, too.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Eh, no skin off my ass.
I still like BtB’s content.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Uh.
http://www.sbnation.com/users/larry
R.J. Anderson - May 14, 2009
Yes, I do
I assume you’re referring to comment content, as opposed to written front-page content. The comment content is often civil and reasonably insightful, with game threads being the exception, but even there people are simply feeding off their emotions, and I don’t see the point in censoring them. Crassness is only a problem to the oversensitive.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Plus there's a warning about game threads right there on the front page
pdb - May 13, 2009
I understand the Game Day Threads.
But one of your fellow mods used the GDT of LSB as his only evidence for the problems there.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Well my main piece of evidence is really that some of your commenters feel the need to post here
We have no desire to integrate into the greater community of blogdom.
Graham MacAree - May 13, 2009
Fans of other teams filthying up your blog bothers you?
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
People that aren't interested in LL's standards are the issue.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Yeah, I get that.
I certainly understand my being an issue. BUt it should be because I don’t like the way you do things, not because I’m a fan of another team. If you hate me for thinking you’re annoying, that’s just fine.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Fans of other teams are always welcome here.
As long as they behave.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
*
http://www.sbnation.com/users/Eyebrows/activity/29
http://www.sbnation.com/users/TheOptimist/activity/29
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Not to mention R.J., JI, Goose, etc etc
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Who's JI?
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Riiiight down the middle. I wish I had a better swing.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Seeing as he grew up Catholic it's fitting he'll spend the rest of his existence in purgatory
Poochie - May 13, 2009
My mistake, he goes by butthol now.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Yes Carlos
Robert - May 13, 2009
Touche.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Oh snap
Poochie - May 13, 2009
JI would never admit it, but he was a Mariner fan.
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Only when they misbehave
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Basically what this comes down to is you guys talking shit in your own house and LSB being offended by the bad language
This has gotten ridiculous
oc - May 13, 2009
Is LSB really offended by bad language
Because some of the posters that trolled here had no problems using it.
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
They're offended by the Hamilton jokes
oc - May 13, 2009
I understand that they would have a man crush on Hamilton and all.
But I don’t understand how they could be so sensitive to some jokes.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Take a walk in their shoes G
Perennial losers in search of a hero
oc - May 13, 2009
We're losers too
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Maybe that's why we covet Felix as a savior.
Fin - May 13, 2009
The entire Pacific Northwest's cultural notoriety is based on that in fact.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I was actually just explaining this to a friend at night.
I’m primarily a Dallas sports fan, but I’ve lived her long enough to know what’s up.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
We've been losers longer. Everything's a pissing contest
oc - May 13, 2009
Seattle hasn't won shit in decades
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Hahaha the Storm aren't a real team.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
Real team; fake sport.
Personally, I’m hoping the Seattle Mist can carry us to our city’s first title since 1917.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Poochie - May 13, 2009
To which someone said "Fuck you, asshole."
Teej - May 13, 2009
I only endorse this kind of commenting amongst the troops
oc - May 13, 2009
Which strikes me as silly
because you’d think LSB would know not to take any of the jokes we make seriously. Robert aside I don’t think any of the males among us actually want to let Felix finish on their face.
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
EnglishMariner?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Males
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
I don't necessarily know how offended people are by them.
If they were ,though, I wouldn’t necessarily just shrug if off as silly.
I offend people all the time and often times it’s probably their own lameness, but I’m still willing to think I may have gone over the line.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I think the line at LL is pretty firmly established and the things we say should never come as a shock to anyone
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Thanks for the tip captain moral high ground.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I don't claim to be anything of the sort.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
I may not have been in this discussion
But I read the whole thing. And you definately came across that way.
d0nkey - May 13, 2009
I'm attempting to present an opinion as measured as I can.
That’s all. I don’t mean to seem like Captain Moral Highground, because I’m not. I certainly have not claimed to be, nor will I.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
My favorite part of this thread is you getting all emo and them getting all pissed off
oc - May 13, 2009
my favorite part of the internet
is when you go into an insecurity rage.
DShep - May 13, 2009
Let's not start this between you two on another blog
at least keep it localized.
FirebatM3 - May 14, 2009
Hahaha LSB is bringing their own drama into this thread now.
Eyebrows - May 14, 2009
Wheeee!
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
I wonder how long we can keep this thread active
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
I have all night
as it is well established my time is not valuable
Poochie - May 14, 2009
Jammies on, beer in hand.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
Seriously is this something you want to archive?
oc - May 14, 2009
What am I going to do, hide every subthread?
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
You could hide the whole thread.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
Hide the whole thread and I would make a short fanpost stating that cross-blog trolling will not be tolerated.
oc - May 14, 2009
If you don't feel like writing one, ask Graham to do it. He has degrees
oc - May 14, 2009
I wonder how long it will take me to ban you again.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
I still don't hate him
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
I know you don't.
It works out in the end.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
In kick assery.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
Hi!
.Taylor - May 14, 2009
horse moWell you sure have been on your highst of this thread to be honest
I mean, most of what I’ve read has been a passive aggressive snipes about how much you value the virtue of humility and are upset by the lack of it from the moderators.
OlSalty - May 13, 2009
What the hell
That’s supposed to read “You sure have been on your high horse most of this thread to be honest”
OlSalty - May 13, 2009
Wow, how did you even do that?
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
I have found entirely new ways to make typos
That’s just how innovative and brilliant I am.
OlSalty - May 13, 2009
I'm impressed.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
This is incredible.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Depends on if I was wearing a bib.
Robert - May 13, 2009
The "nummers" one you left at my house?
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
This is the most disgusting comment in LL history
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
SEA! HAWKS!
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Not even close
Poochie - May 13, 2009
Bone it?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
That wasn't disgusting, that was fucking hilarious.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
You're right.
In fact, you’re so right, I think it’s giving me a rash.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/7/3/564588/7-3-open-game-thread#7168468
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Your signature makes this comment ironic.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Define "civil"
We’re not the ones trolling after a tough loss.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
I have yet to defend that, either.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
So we tell our own players to go die in a horrible fire we all laugh and agree.
WE say Hamilton does crack and we get trolls.
Ummmmmmmm?!?
Slurvey - May 13, 2009
You do raise a good point.
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
The Rangers fans around here have been just bloody terrible.
I never thought any team could supplant the Angels for most hated, but these guys are doing a lot to raise my disgust of all things Texas. Although, being an Alaskan I was born with a pretty shitty opinion of the state of Texas.
thewyrm - May 13, 2009
At least the Angel fans don't really bug us anymore.
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
Adenhart jokes are a good deterrent.
Eyebrows - May 13, 2009
The HH folk do us the service of sticking to their own blog
I think all of this winning is so foreign for the modern day Rangers fan that they don’t know how to comport themselves.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
It's annoying that I don't feel like I can post at LSB or HH because of a couple of fucking retards.
Sometimes I have questions about specific things that a team specific blog would be the best place to ask, but the only AL West blog I would consider posting at at this point is AN.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
At the risk of entering the gray area and having people misinterpret what I write here as permission to go troll,
you can go over there and ask questions. Just be aware of the current state of affairs. In other words, there’s a severe travel advisory under effect for LL to LSB
Matthew - May 13, 2009
No, I don't feel like I can post there any more.
For more than one specific reason.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I understand why you don't want to, but I would encourage you to continue doing so. Your comments are insightful and appreciated
oc - May 13, 2009
This.
There are idiots there just like there are here and everywhere. I personally encourage you to continue, but having been to enemy territories myself, I get how unpleasent it can be.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
And I invite Robert to join us
oc - May 13, 2009
Only if I am allowed to post the Romo Play.gif in every comment I make.
Robert - May 13, 2009
Sig!
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
If you let me do this I will either be a real poster or super robert poster.
Robert - May 13, 2009
If Robert becomes a real poster I am going to USSM.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
explain
Poochie - May 13, 2009
I will either write in nothing but stream of consciousnesses or give myself a frontal lobotomy
Robert - May 13, 2009
Intersting
Poochie - May 14, 2009
I will refrain from giving Matthew a serrated knife to help. This time.
royalcurve - May 14, 2009
I can't believe somebody I meet on the internet actually tried to slit my throat.
Robert - May 14, 2009
Waaah.
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
Gosh darn it, Matthew, I apologized!
Coach Owens - May 13, 2009
You are not the only person who has done it from here.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I read LL all the time.
You guys are damn witty and it’s fun to read. And while I consider the M’s to be division rivals I have all the respect for M’s fans and baseball fans as a whole (minus Red Sox fans).
teopeht - May 13, 2009
I wish I could take a picture of this comment and frame it.
Fin - May 13, 2009
That seems actually easy to do.
Do you not have thumbs or something?
Matthew - May 13, 2009
I actually don't have a frame and Target is closed.
Fin - May 13, 2009
Kinko's, man.
They’re always open.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Not the one up the street from me.
Isn’t that messed up?
Fin - May 13, 2009
Try Popcopy
JI - May 13, 2009
Why isn't everyone more like you?
.Taylor - May 13, 2009
dunno but i do love your gifs
and even in defeat LL is awesomely entertaining. finding humor in a tough loss is hard to come up with but it always happens here.
teopeht - May 14, 2009
Thanks.
We’re not exactly lovable losers, but we certainly make do.
.Taylor - May 14, 2009
Plus we have Jeff.
.Taylor - May 14, 2009
God I hope Josh Hamilton gets breast cancer
JI - May 13, 2009
Ah, back to the important things in life.
You know, ironically, a White Sox fan about a week ago went over to LoneStarBall and proceeded to get offended over LSB comments that Hawk Harrelson should get cancer.
Naturally, the commenters over there defended their right to say whatever the hell they wanted on their blog. Hell, I even jumped in and told the White Sox fan he was being too sensitive.
And yet here we are facing the same issue…
(BTW, just so it’s clear for the sexy people, I’m done going over there. Let it not be said that Omerta stooped to that level…)
Omerta - May 13, 2009
This kind of think I just find ridiculous and thus entertaining.
philkid3 - May 13, 2009
Shannon Drayer had an interesting interview with Yuni, for what it's worth.
English also, he sounded suitably humbled yet completely clueless about his plate discipline issues with Wakamatsu.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
I wish he would just go away.
Omerta - May 13, 2009
I wish we could put him on a raft and push him out to sea
JI - May 13, 2009
That Onion article was so priceless, yet disappointing that it didn't frame Yuni as a POS.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
I saw some dugout shots of him tonight.
Reminded me of a puppy who just got smacked on the nose for pooping on the carpet. Equal parts repentant and ignorant.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Sad Yuni :( )
Robert - May 13, 2009
Monkey Yuni
Matthew - May 13, 2009
My goodness!
ThundaPC - May 13, 2009
You can tell Felix is looking away thinking
“Yea, that was kind of gay”
Fin - May 13, 2009
Perfect.
I realized today that Yuni is giving the opposing starter an extra inning every game, guaranteed. How much is that worth, and does it show up in a stat?
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Well damn, that was a lot slower frame rate originally.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
Was Sad Yuni Giffable?
Robert - May 13, 2009
Are you kidding?
The fact that it’s this fast makes the .gif
JLC - May 13, 2009
Yes. I figured it was on purpose.
Teej - May 13, 2009
I wanted it about 5% slower.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
It's pretty entertaining going that fast.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Gifin ain't easy, is it ?
JI - May 13, 2009
Yes it is
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
Aaron?
JI - May 13, 2009
I figured it out and now I think it's easy.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
But it wasn't easy up until the point you were trained to do it?
JI - May 13, 2009
The difficult part was finding a program that worked and was free.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
That's where I get the most questions.
JI - May 13, 2009
What are you using?
I’ve been using Handbrake to convert my video files into an AVI format, then I use VirtualDub to crop and convert the video to gif.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Camstudio and AVI Edit
JI - May 13, 2009
Perhaps you would get less questions if you gave not as many terrible answers
Robert - May 13, 2009
Maybe you should be less of a dumbshit and leave the hard work to the grownups
JI - May 13, 2009
I notice things that most people miss.
Robert - May 13, 2009
Yeah sure you do
JI - May 13, 2009
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/5/13/874821/well-gosh#15697677
Robert - May 13, 2009
GIMP with the GAP plugin is pretty handy.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
I've had a few people recommend GIMP.
I might have to take a look at that.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
It's an opensource Photoshop.
Not as powerful, somewhat wonky, but free! and the GAP plugin makes gifs of a fairly decent quality. By far the best I’ve found for free.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Fascinating.
I’ll have to play with that tomorrow.
BrianL - May 13, 2009
How does it work for mac?
Fin - May 13, 2009
No clue.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Broke mine, apparently it's a resource hog.
iMovie has been highly recommended but I have yet to give it a shot. GIMP takes a bit of tweaking, it comes with very explicit instruction. I’m using a G-5 which might have been part of my problem.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Also you should know that I'm not in anyway shape or form computer literate.
Typing class was great, but no computer experience to speak of.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
But once you found that it was easy, yes?
BrianL - May 13, 2009
Yup
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
But the time consumption is annoying, no?
JI - May 13, 2009
Slightly.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
See what I mean.
JI - May 13, 2009
Oddly enough it runs faster in Firefox than Safari. Weird.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
You pulled a me!
Jeff Sullivan - May 13, 2009
About damn time it went the other way.
Matthew - May 13, 2009
It looks like he's barking.
Goose - May 13, 2009
YES I WAS WAITING FOR THIS GIF
After I saw that happen live, I just knew one day…
abender20 - May 13, 2009
Holy cats!
royalcurve - May 13, 2009
.
Eyebrows - May 14, 2009
I was hoping someone would get around to giffing this
It’s a little bit terrifying, actually, it’s like he’s possessed or something.
OlSalty - May 14, 2009
He's not a puppy. He a MLB player. If only he could act like one.
He isn’t coachable. He needs to go. To another team to triple A, wherever, he needs to go. Oh, and he should probably take Loafie with him.
Sinking Away - May 13, 2009
It'd be kind of neat if he were a puppy.
Aaron Campeau - May 13, 2009
Relating to an earlier comment/question about catcher defense that I can't seem to locate.
I found this post by Tango. It may have been linked previously, if so my apologies. Pretty interesting read.
Kermit. - May 13, 2009
Hay guys
do you think the Ms should trade Washburn for Pujols? The Cards really need pitching.
JI - May 14, 2009
No way you're crazy.
Pujols doesn’t even have any Wins this year.
Eyebrows - May 14, 2009
We should throw in Wlad as Ludwig just went down
Poochie - May 14, 2009
This is clearly not JI as exhibited by other users past commenting history
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/9/549052/6-9-open-game-thread-part#6677035
Robert - May 14, 2009
Maybe he's had a change of heart
Aaron Campeau - May 14, 2009
That guy was a total fag and wouldn't shut up about his "security team" and no one cared about it
Poochie - May 14, 2009
Man. Does this actually work?
Matthew - May 14, 2009
I've never had a security team so I couldn't tell you.
Poochie - May 14, 2009
The funny part is how we still marvel over how much Dontrelle Willis sucks.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
I never said you weren't always right
Robert - May 14, 2009
I never said you were implying that it wasn't funny.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
Dontrelle Willis was my lesson that I shouldn't try to argue baseball stats with people who know ALOT more about them than I do.
I can’t remember if it was you or Dave Cameron, or DMZ, or whatever, but I remember back in the 2005 offseason that one of you guys was saying that Dontrelle Willis was gonna be bad pretty soon and likely out of baseball by the time he was 30. I remember calling bullshit and arguing about it, even though I clearly had no idea what I was talking about.
So so wrong.
Goose - May 14, 2009
That was Dave.
I thought he was a little on the crazy side, too.
Teej - May 14, 2009
I am not considered a regular poster here.
I’m not an analyst. I simply enjoy reading intelligent comments about the team I am a fan of. But I only read LL and consider myself a regular reader. Not a “regular” by conventional means, but I consider myself a member. I try to obey the rules set forth, although I have pushed it a couple times with .jpgs.
With that said, I would never take it upon myself to troll LSB. I would expect to be flamed (which happens to EVERY troll on any other blog/forum/messageboard). I would also expect my comments to make LL look bad if I did that, and I would expect LSB to ban me and I would expect the mods here to piss in my cereal before giving me the ban-stick.
I don’t understand how this isn’t common sense.
Thanks for the laughs though. It definately made this loss a little easier to take.
d0nkey - May 14, 2009
It should be common sense.
Thanks for not trolling, and I believe any Rangers trolls should be flamed and banned here.
And I would also hope they aren’t used as representatives of LSB.
(I am not a representative of LSB, either. These comments do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or opinions of Adam J. Morris, Brett Perryman, Lone Star Ball or Sports Blog Nation.)
philkid3 - May 14, 2009
But you are a representative of LSB.
That’s my point. I’m not saying your comments reflect the beliefs of the mods, but you still represent LSB. As even I would be representing LL even though I’m nothing to these guys.
d0nkey - May 14, 2009
You're a mere pawn!
If I keep working at it, I might get bishop or knight!
Eyebrows - May 14, 2009
You've been promoted to scout.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
Aww but Scouts are Red Sox fans.
Eyebrows - May 14, 2009
I was talking about Stratego.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
Why do the 8s have to be suck lilly white little fags?
Poochie - May 14, 2009
Because they're scouts.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
That makes perfect sense as scout pants are olive green hot pants
Poochie - May 14, 2009
Where are they at on achievements these days?
I quit just before they added scout achievements.
d0nkey - May 14, 2009
Nothing new since.
ThundaPC - May 14, 2009
sniper achievements are being posted on their website
Huntsman to replace the sniper rifle
teopeht - May 14, 2009
I think bishop would be most appropriate.
Considering where your fandom lies.
Fin - May 14, 2009
If you really work at it you could even be a queen like Robert
OlSalty - May 14, 2009
Yay I'm a pawn!
And to think, I was just getting comfortable being the time clock.
d0nkey - May 14, 2009
This thread is very angry.
CapSea - May 14, 2009
fuck you
CapSea - May 14, 2009
I'll angry you.
CapSea - May 14, 2009
So's your face
CapSea - May 14, 2009
I hear people who do cocaine get angry
CapSea - May 14, 2009
Actually the people I've met who have been on cocaine have been quite pleasant
See where stereotypes get you? On a bus to Bigrotyville that’s where. For shame.
OlSalty - May 14, 2009
Not angry but really fucking annoying.
Aaron Campeau - May 14, 2009
Bigotryville
God what is wrong with me.
OlSalty - May 14, 2009
Not enough caps
Jeff Sullivan - May 14, 2009
Needed about five more caps.
:(
Matthew - May 14, 2009
tHiS tHrEaD iS vErY aNgRy
CapSea - May 14, 2009
Yeah those things
CapSea - May 14, 2009
Yeah those things
CapSea - May 14, 2009
Well Gosh
1027 comments and counting.
ThundaPC - May 14, 2009
LSB is banding together against us, realizing their greatest communal strengths.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/5/12/873670/18-14#15649545
.Taylor - May 14, 2009
Sounds like that'll be hilarious
Graham MacAree - May 14, 2009
Is it a blog war if no one fights back?
Poochie - May 14, 2009
I've never been able to troll someone on a different site from LL before.
Graham MacAree - May 14, 2009
Just ignore them.
Matthew - May 14, 2009
What a bunch of prostate draining faggots
Aaron Campeau - May 14, 2009
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