Yikes.
In addition to that:
1st start: 91.1mph average fastball, 93.2mph top
2nd start: 90.9mph average fastball, 93.1mph top
3rd start: 90.8mph average fastball, 93.3mph top
2008: 94.8mph average fastball
Something to keep an eye on.
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This reminds me
My friend met him, Vlad and Aybar last weekend. Said Santana was a cool guy, very modest, Vlad was sort of spacy but did in fact speak English and Aybar was distracted.
This is apropos of nothing however.
Mariner John - May 25, 2009
Huh.
Last time Santana’s velo suddenly dropped was his very forgettable 07. And even then he was averaging 92 (down 1 mph from his previous two years’ average). He then jumped 2 ticks on the gun with his FB, had a great season, and now there’s this. Makes one wonder what throwing 95 for a season has done to his arm.
Bearskin Rugburn - May 26, 2009
Doesn't he have a torn elbow ligament?
He opted for rehab rather than surgery, so this isn’t a shock.
tait644 - May 26, 2009
I love how the Angels got their starters back and now are worse
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
I haven't been following Lackey
is he pitching poorly? I’ve always found him particularly loathsome, on top of being a successful Angel. He reminds me of Clemens.
Bearskin Rugburn - May 26, 2009
Not really but he and Loux have pretty much identical tRAs right now
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
Yeah, he's averagey in terms of tRA or FIP, but what's with his change in pitch mix?
He’s thrown 20-25% curveballs for several years, and hasn’t thrown one yet this year. It’s early, but I wonder if the change to being a two-pitch pitcher is real, and if so, how it’ll impact his success (particularly against lefties).
marc w - May 26, 2009
Vlad is back today, too, right?
msb - May 26, 2009
Vlad played yesterday and went 0-4.
marc w - May 26, 2009
What is happening here?
Some sort of time loop back to last Thursday?
Angels? Ervin Santana? On May 26 your Seattle Mariners are due to play the Oakland Athletics, likely starter Dallas Braden.
Colm - May 26, 2009
The Angels are in our division.
Matthew - May 26, 2009
and?
Santana got smacked around yesterday. So…
I’d be less thrown off if this was titled “Ervin Santana LAST night”
Colm - May 26, 2009
It seems pretty silly to have 'last night' in a post that refers to a game that hadn't ended yet
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
Maybe what you should do is change the title of the post every day until it falls off the front page
so tomorrow, it will read “Ervin Santana Two Nights Ago”
seattlebruin - May 26, 2009
I hope you come back tomorrow and change your comment to
Santana got smacked around two days ago.
And so on and so on.
Eyebrows - May 26, 2009
You have obviously missed seeing the time stamp on the post,
which states: “by Jeff on May 25, 2009 10:14 PM PDT”
Furthermore, I am not sure why you would automatically assume that this was posted on May 26th. Simple logic would dictate that it was posted at some point yesterday.
Matthew - May 26, 2009
The timestamp on my machine shows EDT
“May 26, 2009, 1:14am EDT” – which is indeed still May 25 on the west coast. I missed that.
But, thanks for implying that I’m incapable of grasping simple logic, Matthew. Possessing the IQ of a smart orangutan, I come to sites like Lookout Landing purely so that my intellectual betters can make snotty comments like this.
Colm - May 26, 2009
"I come to sites like Lookout Landing purely so that my intellectual betters can make snotty comments like this"
It looks like you’ve joined for all the right reasons then.
d0nkey - May 26, 2009
I like it that you started an obnoxiously pedantic and pointless argument and are now attempting to take the high road.
Aaron Campeau - May 26, 2009
What?
I haven’t memorized the comment guidelines for LL, but I’m pretty sure that pointless rudeness is not compulsory.
Colm - May 26, 2009
It is not rude to point out when somebody makes a logical error.
Matthew - May 26, 2009
Nor are pointless comments expressing displeasure with titles of articles but there you go
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
Actually, I was restrained.
You saw a 1:14am time stamp, forgot/ignored that this is a west coast blog, and for some reason assumed that Jeff, who runs the blog, was thinking that the Mariners are playing the A’s and not the Angels. You failed simple logic. Plain and simple.
I did not say you were incapable of grasping it. I said you had failed to do so in this case. There’s no way to argue otherwise. However, if you want to turn my comments into a strawman and take a defensive stand, you are more than welcome to head back to USSM. This is not a threat, but a word of advice. Defensiveness just doesn’t last long here.
Matthew - May 26, 2009
I'm as baffled as you are - I live in Seattle
I saw the timestamp as May 26, 1:14am. Knowing (shock!) that this is a west cost blog, and with the title of the post lacking a verb that would clue me in as to past or future events, I was curious.
I didn’t see the EDT suffix. That’s failing of eyesight, not logic.
Your reaction is a failing of manners. Don’t write patronising things like “plain and simple”. You can do better than that.
Colm - May 26, 2009
While your original post was the very definition of kindness.
Aaron Campeau - May 26, 2009
I do not need to do better.
Plain and simple perfectly conveys what I intended it to. You acted illogically and have blown my chiding of it out of proportion.
Matthew - May 26, 2009
"You keep using that word"
“I do not think it means what you think it means”
Colm - May 26, 2009
Just what, pray, do you think you're going to achieve here?
Bearskin Rugburn - May 26, 2009
I was trying to ameliorate a little spat that I inadvertantly started
Since I usually come to LL to tap into the insight and wisdom of Jeff Sullivan & co and I have no interest in being a troll.
Here’s a little explanation of how I arrived at this pretty pass:
I read the title of post this morning: “Ervin Santana Tonight”, and thought, that sounds odd.
I read the timestamp as May 26, 1.14am, failed to notice the “EDT” and remained confused.
The only word that Jeff wrote about Santana getting slapped around in his most recent start was “Yikes”, which didn’t give me much of a clue. He could as easily have been voicing concern about the Mariners’ low chances of success against a decent right-hander.
I thought, perhaps, that this was an abortive article from last Thursday that was inadvertantly posted today due to a technical glitch or user error. After all it would hardly be the first time such a thing happened on a site like this.
I posted my initial comment and was mocked for it. That irked me, and, I admit, I’m now well past the point of logic in attempting to explain myself here. I shall just sod off and get over it.
However, what’s been keeping my hooked is that I don’t understand where, in the above chain of events, Matthew thinks I failed to grasp the logic of a simple statement.
Colm - May 26, 2009
You thought this article was supposed to be posted last Thurs?
Is Jeff psychic? How would he know what Santana would do in his third start?
seamariners85 - May 26, 2009
I wasn't looking closely at the data.
And didn’t know that last Thursday’s game was only Santana’s second start of this season. Therefore I didn’t spot a big inconsistency between what I thought had happened, and what Jeff was writing.
Colm - May 26, 2009
I bet 80% of the people who use this reference have never actually seen that movie.
Goose - May 26, 2009
You don't think that 80% of people that use that haven't seen the Princess Bride?
I thought that movie was ubiquitous.
joof - May 26, 2009
I think alot of people see it on the internets and just use it.
For the record, I am one of those people.
Goose - May 27, 2009
Interesting... and a little sad.
I would think an internet meme would prompt you to want to know the source material. Besides, it’s a good movie and it’s loaded with lots of quotable lines. Plus, Andre the Giant. If that doesn’t motivate you, I don’t know what will.
Inigo: “That Vizzini, he likes to ‘fuss’.”
Fezzik: “Fuss… fuss…. and usually he like to scream… at us!”
Inigo: “Probably he means no ‘harm’.”
Fezzik: “He is very very short on…. charm!”
Inigo: “Ah! You have a great gift for rhyme!”
Fezzik: “Yes. Yes. Some of the time.”
Vizzini: “Enough of that!”
Inigo: “Fezzik! Are there rocks ahead?”
Fezzik: “If there are…. we all be dead!”
Vizzini: “No more rhymes now! I mean it!”
Fezzik: “Anybody want a peanut?”
Vizzini: “ARGH!”
The Typical Idiot Fan - May 27, 2009
I've gone and updated my user settings
And corrected my location to Pacific Time – which should reduce my opportunities for future confusion.
My logical faculties, sadly, remain unimproved.
Colm - May 26, 2009
Well this has to be the most retarded disagreement here in quite some time.
Poochie - May 26, 2009
Yup
I really should find better things to do.
Colm - May 26, 2009
Fangraphs.
Decatur - May 27, 2009
Late.
Decatur - May 27, 2009
I wish that I too had no perception of time. That would be cool.
.Taylor - May 26, 2009
Oh goodie.
A FanGraphs-style comment. Instead of talking about the subject of Ervin Santana’s average fastball velocity lets talk about what the subject headline should say instead.
Yea, that’s very productive.
ThundaPC - May 26, 2009
Why should we talk about Ervin Santana?
This is a Mariners blog
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
We can discuss future Mariners relievers on this blog
seattlebruin - May 26, 2009
More like a starter.
The Mariners will sign him once the Angels are done with him and he sucks.
Eyebrows - May 26, 2009
And he'll be a reliever at that point =(
and a sucky one, no doubt
seattlebruin - May 26, 2009
It would have been perfect if it had mentioned something about Dave Cameron being the personification of Satan.
.Taylor - May 27, 2009
Santana losing 3mph on his heater is big news for the Mariners
regardless of who their opponent is. He’s going to be pitching for the Angels for a few years yet and Jeff was pointing out that, so far, it looks like the 07 version of Santana has triumphed over the 08 one. Which is great for us.
Bearskin Rugburn - May 26, 2009
Either that or he's still a little broken and us talking about it is going to cause him to become a destroyer of worlds
seattlebruin - May 26, 2009
I'd get just a bit excited about the Santana information, if only we had hitters with the ability to take advantage of bad pitching.
Kermit. - May 26, 2009
Did you know we have a left-handed catcher in Tacoma hitting .302 with 19 extra-base hits this year?
I think he might be able to hit bad righthanders.
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
Aye, but is he really a catcher?
Colm - May 26, 2009
If Rob Johnson is a catcher my stapler is a catcher
So yes!
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
Actually I think your stapler is a stapler
and Jeff Clement is not a stapler. Thus, Jeff Clement is not a catcher.
seattlebruin - May 26, 2009
You haven't gotten any less twatbadgersome over recent weeks.
Graham MacAree - May 26, 2009
Rec'd for introducing my vocabulary to twatbadger
Poochie - May 26, 2009
Twatbadgersome?
Did you discover that word while fartstrangling around in some old issues of Viz magazine?
Colm - May 26, 2009
Oooh! A syllogism
Did I spell that correctly?
Colm - May 26, 2009
Why do you exist?
Decatur - May 27, 2009
I thought my stapler was a phone. >:(
Poochie - May 26, 2009
Ouch.
msb - May 26, 2009
I bet you got more phone calls than you usually do.
Robert - May 26, 2009
No I can imagine phone calls on a regular phone too.
Poochie - May 26, 2009
I thought my mouse was a phone
seattlebruin - May 26, 2009
Probably not as painful as thinking your stapler is a phone.
And thus not as painful as Rob Johnson the catcher, therefore Rob Johnson is a phone.
Kermit. - May 26, 2009
Or he's a stapler, crap I keep doing this wrong.
Kermit. - May 26, 2009
Rob Johnson is...The Stapler!
Decatur - May 27, 2009
Aye, but is he really a catcher?
Colm - May 26, 2009
Oops
darn
Colm - May 26, 2009
This thread isn't at all what I expected it to be
Jeff Sullivan - May 26, 2009
*
Aaron Campeau - May 26, 2009
50 comments in 2 hours on a post of haiku-like simplicity...
I knew there was trouble before I clicked it.
Decatur - May 27, 2009
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