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35-35, Game Notes

Yeah, okay, I'll be that guy. Sure, Garrett Olson wasn't very good. Sure, Roy Corcoran did an awful job of stopping the bleeding. Sure, the lineup did far too little until far too late. But to me, you can't talk about this game without talking about Ichiro's foul grounder with the bases loaded in the second. Replays showed pretty conclusively that that was a fair ball (I'd take a screenshot but the MLB.tv archives aren't up yet), and had Randy Marsh made the opposite call, we're looking at a 3-0 or 4-0 game with Branyan coming to the plate. Instead, Marsh signaled foul, Ichiro went on to ground out, and the Mariners came away with a meek one run. I know, I know. That's baseball. I get it. Sometimes you have to live with a bad break. But I find that "that's baseball" is a line of reasoning often offered to cover up for a really bad call, and while, yeah, "that's baseball", it shouldn't have to be. Players shouldn't have to live with some guy incorrectly determining that they didn't do something they did.

I imagine that, to outsiders, this sounds like nothing more than sour grapes, but let's be honest - after the last few years, I've gotten pretty good at accepting the reality after a Mariner loss. We all have. Mariners fans aren't sore losers. Fans of teams that lose as frequently as this team has have no reason to get all uppity over another loss, and I'll happily grant that, outside of Ichiro's grounder, the Padres played the better game tonight. But that grounder was fair, and Marsh's call changed the whole course of the contest. If that double scores two, then Marsh dropped our Win Expectancy by 21.5%. If that double scores three, then it's 26.2%. That's huge. For the sake of perspective, Gonzalez's homer improved the Padres' Win Expectancy by 22.9%. Calling that ball foul was like taking away our equivalent of the Gonzalez home run, and while you'd still like to see your team rebound from adversity and maybe not go on to fall behind 9-1 to the Padres, that adversity shouldn't have happened, and it pisses me off. A system that accurately gauges balls hit down the line would be so easy to implement that...Jesus, it just makes me resent the human umpiring side of baseball so hard. I don't care if they're usually right. I don't care if it's tradition. Tradition might have just cost us a ballgame.

  • In case you're wondering, yeah, that very well might've been the best statistical effort of Chad Gaudin's Major League career. He faced 27 batters, striking out 11 of them while allowing just one walk and four hits. That gives him a 19/3 K/BB in 13 innings against the Mariners, and a 46/31 K/BB against everyone else. How gracious of us. The key to his start tonight was - and please stop me if you've heard this before - getting ahead with his fastball and putting people away with his slider off the plate. Mariner hitters swung through nine low and away Gaudin sliders. Those were the whole key to his near-Houdini act in the second. With the bases loaded, both Johnson and Yuni got themselves out on sliders off the plate, and the only reason we scored was because Ronny Cedeno was too afraid to swing the bat.

    Eleven strikeouts. Ten of them swinging. You know what the distribution was on the putaway pitches? One fastball, ten sliders. I understand that Gaudin's always had talent, and that his problem is command, and I'm willing to give him a lot of credit for knowing how to attack this team and executing his game plan, but this effort was as much the doing of the Mariners as it was the doing of Gaudin. That was laughable. I'll give Branyan a break on account of being awesome and all, but Wlad, Johnson, Yuni, and Cedeno - these guys just don't have a clue against right-handed pitchers.

  • Actually, I don't think Ronny Cedeno has a clue against anyone. In-season ZiPS projects him for a rest-of-season line of .246/.289/.366, but I think this might be one of those times where we have enough visual evidence to overrule the computer forecasts, because Cedeno has looked as bad as any Major League hitter I have ever seen in my life. If a professional scout were seeing him for the first time, there isn't a single thing he would like. Ronny doesn't have a great eye. He doesn't have a good swing. He sure as hell doesn't have much of a hitter's body. He - and I mean this quite literally - goes up there and hits like I imagine I would hit against big league pitching. The only difference is that he has the strength to have muscled out a few dingers. Other than that, he's just a total disaster. According to Fangraphs, he has hit three line drives. It's June. I supported the Cedeno acquisition at the time, and I don't think he's a lost cause, but he doesn't belong in Seattle right now. This team could use both a better starter and a better backup. 

  • To be fair to Yuni, neither of the strikes called against him in his second inning at bat were in the zone. He took the first four pitches he saw, and all of them missed outside. He wound up making a stupid out, but the last thing this team needs against a righty with a slider is a strike zone that favors the pitcher. I wouldn't be surprised if Angel Hernandez is the guy calling the game when we eventually get no-hit.

  • I wonder if anyone's noticed that Tony Gwynn Jr. looks a lot more like Milton Bradley than his father. I guess the jollies aren't genetic.

  • Sometime during the middle innings, the Padres announcers were talking about Safeco's outfield wall and trying to figure out whether it was concave or convex. That discussion led to the following exchange in my living room:

    Mark Grant: I think concave is in and convex is out. I know there's a way to remember that.
    Me: By knowing the definitions?

    A minute or two later, Grant decided that concave meant in, and confidently exhaled and shuffled his papers. He was wrong.

  • We were also privy to a broadcast conversation about AP classes, as the new Padres announcer who isn't Matt Vasgersian but who sounds just creepily enough like Matt Vasgersian to not arouse any suspicion from the viewing audience who's only half paying attention in the first place couldn't believe that it was common knowledge that AP stands for Advanced Placement. This broadcaster got outsmarted by a broadcaster who claimed to have taken AP Lunch.

  • They talked about AP classes and geometry, but not AP geometry, which I thought was weird. You might as well at least pretend that you have a broadcast plan.

  • In case you've never heard of Everth Cabrera, it's because he's a Padres prospect. I can't believe that team recently ripped off four consecutive winning seasons despite getting so damn little from its system. One of the reasons that team has been so boring for so long is that it doesn't seem to have the slightest clue how to develop young players and turn them into guys that don't suck. I have hope for some of the players they have now, but ye gods, has this ever been quite the dry spell.

  • So I assume everyone's in agreement that Griffey is the ideal player to have hit the franchise's 5000th home run. I was kind of hoping it would be Felix or A-Rod, but this is probably what the greatest number of people wanted, so I'm glad Griffey was able to salvage the evenings of so many fans. Even cooler is that the fan who caught the ball only requested a Griffey autograph in return, so this won't become some big to-do. The whole thing was a perfect moment in a level 5 poop tornado of a game.

  • Erik Bedard spends a lot of time on the top step of the dugout, and he spends it wearing this merry but distant expression on his face like he's making an effort to look more approachable while at the same time thinking about how much he'd like soup. 

  • In the top of the fifth inning, Everth Cabrera picked up the first stolen base of his Major League career. He then immediately picked up his second. Everth Cabrera did twice in three pitches what Johnny Estrada never did once in eight years.

  • The Mariners might be the only team in baseball capable of getting beat twice in one week by a guy by whom they specifically planned on not getting beat. Trying to pitch around Adrian Gonzalez has pretty much given us two losses in two games. If they don't want him to keep getting pitches to hit, maybe tomorrow they should try to throw him strikes.

Morrow again tomorrow. It's funny how quickly we've all gone from "WHY IS HE STILL UP HERE" to "well whatever". Anybody feel like getting mad again? Why is he still up here?!

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AP Lunch? sign me up!

And NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Well that sucked.

But the Rangers got smacked around too, so there’s that.

So what is the plan for LF?

Are they just going to let Wlad sink or swim out there for the rest of the year? I really hope GMZ listens to Dave and goes after Mr. Langerhans. I guess they could call Redman up and see if he can do anything as he is having another nice year in Tacoma.

Yes...Wlad is the plan...

I’d be optimistic and hope he finally puts it all together, but I’m a Mariners fan.

These Morrow starts are curiosities.

It’s like a flashback to that old plan of having 3 pitchers go 3 innings each, because it certainly doesn’t seem like there’s any expectation or real hope Morrow will ever go 5 and be eligible for a W. So far though, he’s performed better than I anticipated. So, yeah, whatever.

Concave....

does mean in. Convex is out. Concave is derived from the latin concavus, where -cauv means hollow. Concave things are shaped like a bowl in some way. Convex is the opposite.

He meant in like bending towards home plate
That doesn't even make sense
That's why he decided the wall was convex
that should have been -cavus means hollow
ARGH!
…Marsh’s call changed the whole course of the contest. If that double scores two, then Marsh dropped our Win Expectancy by 21.5%…

I SWEAR it’s not my fault!!!!

What a disgrace to my family name… TERRIBLE call. And if I were related to Randy, I would definitely have let him know it…

Mark Grant is a jackass

but he was all over this call. He’s right, umps only look at where the ball landed in/out of the foul line, not where the ball crosses the bag.

It would be EASY to add this to instant replay. Or a tennis-like detector. The base lights up green when the ball goes over it! Fuck tradition, in this case. Fans appreciate progress when it brings greater accuracy/accountability.

Actually it would be impossible to add this to instant replay.

Because, once the foul is called, the runners stop. And if you replay it, and see that it is a hit, what do you do? Give him a single? double? triple?

Very good point
This is discussed below, I replied too soon.

Matthew said the umps should let the play be fair until it’s challenged. I think I can agree with that. The next question is, what do you penalize the team with if they challenge a fair ball and it is actually fair?

Next batter starts with a 2-0 count.
Do you allow challenges in the bottom of the 9th?
good question, I don't know if you can carry a penalty over or not.
Perhaps if the manager is wrong he could get cock-punched?
I like how Jeff gets credit for Matthew's writing

and Matthew gets credit for my ideas

My mistake. I just scrolled down really quickly and saw the quoted text from Matthew
As long as I don't end up getting credit for F'nA's ideas, I'm good
I know someone who credited Mathew's writing to Dave one time on Facebook.
Shut up =(
I thought I was reading USSM =(
Matthew gets credit for my jokes in return for me stealing his jokes for years.
Ground rule double?
Anything ruled foul is dead

no replay, no do-overs

It seems silly to me that they would allow replay for foul-looking maybe home runs but not-foul-looking line drives/GBs down the line.

Do you know where that rule is in the rulebook?

And I thought you said that the home team gets to decide the rules, anyway, SB.

Morrow should probably be in Tacoma

However, at this point I am more upset about the LF and SS situation to even care.

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Seattle Mariners outfielder Wladimir Balentien, left, offers advice to Franklin Gutierrez, center, and Ichiro Suzuki as the two players train for the first annual Disinterested Olympics.

“No, no, you look to into it. Let your eyes unfocus more, maybe stare at the grass.”

Wlad should bring in B.J. Upton as a guest speaker at the next class.
They tried, but BJ didn't show.
You scumbag.
Because he was busy doing far more important things like winning ballgames.

What did you think I meant?

Even Ronny's biggest fan concedes that he looked ridiculous trying to stumble into a walk.
His failure to take the SS job away has been my biggest disappointment of the year.
Did you boo him last night? I could've sworn I heard booing.
Ronny? Not me. It takes longer than that to get on my bad side.

Unless you are Rob Johnson, but I don’t even boo him because having to watch video of his hitting is punishment enough for him.

I think Rob needs to be booed now that everyone is wrongly telling him he is good at what he does
He was on Beyond the Baselines a while ago

and he basically said that he didn’t think about hitting because his job wasn’t to hit, it was to handle the pitching staff, and that any offense he provided was gravy. He didn’t use those exact words, but that was the gist.

I am now imagining how horrible that gravy is.
Actually, I don't care for gravy at all.

I prefer my mash potatoes and whatnot without any gravy on them.

You mean video of his striking out???
That might have been me

A lot of things made us boo in that game, but we were pretty close to home plate so we may have been easier to hear.

I hit the trifecta, Yuni Don't Swing won by a nose over You Suck Ump, followed closely by Boooo-ing Rob Johnson
Boo-niesky Boo-tan-Boo!
Dude does sound just like Vasgersian. Unfortunately he's not nearly as fun.

And the “AP Lunch” line almost made me choke on my dinner. I can’t remember the last time I watched a Padres game and didn’t hear Mark Grant talk about food at least three times. And that’s not counting the numerous commercials in between innings where he’s eating at the Valley View Casino buffet. But it’s gotten to the point where he doesn’t really annoy me anymore. I just shake my head and smile.

I absolutely love him

Like you, he used to annoy me, but then I realized he’s not in there to be grating or preachy – he’s in there to be goofy and have fun during a telecast that no one’s taking seriously to begin with. He’s the perfect kind of color guy, in that if you don’t pay attention to him, you won’t even notice he’s there.

After watching Buck Martinez in the playoffs the last two years, I'll take any color guy and be happy.

And yes, at least Grant doesn’t try to come across as any sort of baseball genius. He’s just having fun. And that’s definitely needed in a Padres broadcast nowadays. I’m coming around.

If you put Grant and Gwynn in the same broadcast booth they would talk about nothing but casino buffets for three hours and wouldn't even realize when the game was over
and I would watch it and giggle
Grant is going to fall out of the closet like a Murphy bed one of these days

“Shillelagh” indeed

I thought we were in a level 6 Cedeno! tornado
I think you mean Rats!
Is rats worse than poop? I forgot.
No poop is worse than crap
Does Ronny really look all that much better than Johnson at the plate?

I know that Rob Johnson has somehow managed to sneak a few balls by third basemen into the corner, but my god his strikeout swing (the one where he finishes high with one hand like A-Rod) is just shameful to watch. He always stares backward into the mitt with some strange detachment as if he isn’t really surprised by his own ineptitude. HOW DOES HE HIT 7th!!

7 is the new 9?

(Actually I thought 8 was.)

Does AP Geometry even exist?
It doesn't at my school
I still feel like getting mad about Morrow

Stop being bad RRS

Morrow and Rob Johnson should be in Tacoma...

Actually Rob Johnson should be down in High Desert…

I have no desire to watch Rob Johnson bat a minor or major league game, no thanks

VSL would do just fine.

Yeah, wouldn't want him taking playing time away from Moore

Ideally he should just be shipped off as an add-on to a big trade, he really doesn’t have a place in the organization anymore and he might be a somewhat useful backup catcher for someone.

Doesn't have a place in the organization? He's the starting catcher!
For those that didn't see it

To be fair, I understand how he could miss that call

and that ball is one of those weird hits you don’t see that often that bounce in the field of play and have their second hop in foul territory after traveling a fairly long distance.

That being said, there’s no excuse for a major league ump missing that call. The more we discuss it, the more I lean towards automated umpiring or at the very least, the ability for managers to challenge controversial plays via instant replay.

The challenge system works pretty goddamn well in tennis.

That same system could do wonders in baseball. One issue is that the game stops once the ump makes that call. Do they just award a ground rule double to Ichiro at that point?

It would have to be the same solution as football

instruct the umps to call borderline plays always fair, continuing the play, and the defensive manager can challenge that the hit was actually foul.

Yeah but how would you award the bases if they won a challenge like this one
...

“instruct the umps to call borderline plays always fair, continuing the play”

?

I missed some words.

I don’t think that solution would actually work because it would invite several challenges a game and many people would by annoyed by that.

Also, adding any extra challenge to the job of making split-second calls would be ill-advised.

Instead of Fair/Foul, now you have a third option of “Too close to call foul so I should probably let that one go so that it can be reviewed”.

They've made it work in the NFL though

they’re professional officials – they’ll adapt.

I mean that the officials have learned not to blow plays dead on a close call

allowing the possibility of replay overturn rather than rule a play dead incorrectly and not have it reviewed.

There aren't very many borderline fair/foul balls
There are on homeruns
But those are already reviewable.
Again, you'd go with the NFL's solution

maybe each manager gets one challenge a game, and if they win it, they get another. If they lose, and something borderline happens later, tough luck.

It's hard from that angle to know that the ball didn't cross in front of the base.

That ball didn’t, however, cross in front of the base.

I actually think this angle makes it pretty clear
Depth is a problem.
If you look at where the ball crosses the line and how far back it bounces foul

I feel like this is ~conclusive evidence.

Yeah it's totally fair
Looked like he was too busy trying to get out of the way to focus on the call

“I’m in foul territory and the ball nearly hit me…foul ball!”

Looks like he was too busy fucking Ichiro

to give a shit about the ball altogether.

Would have been nice to have a camera with a bird's-eye view.

It looked fair to me, though.

I don't like the sound of that level 5.
I might as well have fun watching Morrow while he's up here.
Sour Grapes

the ball was fair. But quit complaining. We are now have like 2 wins and 94 losses against our hated losses?

I agree that Mark Grant is an idiot, but he is our lovable, older brother that isn’t that smart but is fun to hang out with.

People that join another team's blog to complain about something like this

are exactly the reason I dislike having anyone at LL cross-post in game-related threads.

Was the entire paragraph of preamble not enough for you to get that this wasn’t your typical knee-jerk umpire complaint?

Chill Dude.

I thought the call was terrible. It was definitely fair. And the Padres probably would of self imploded after that. I still don’t know how Jr. didn’t crush that ball from Bell in the 9th. I also think it will be hard for the Padres to win 1 game against the Mariners this season, so if the umpire want to give us a break…rather have it in Game 163 against the Rockies.

I honestly just hate these games against the Mariners. It was cool the first visit getting to see RJ, Jr.,Arod, Edgar and just how good that team was, but now I am sour on the whole match up. I rather see completely new teams every year, like I have never seen the Royals play in person.

"like I have never seen the Royals play in person."

God forbid anyone die without having had that experience.

English, please.
There are a dozen ways to implement a replay rule

that wouldn’t slow down the game. There’s no reason not to. And there are plenty of reason to do it: many season’s playoff chances rest on one or two calls in the last couple games in September. That’s not something to leave to highly fallible human beings (as opposed to mildly fallible human beings with computers.)

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