Busy day on Twitter. Both Baker and Drayer have confirmed it, and nothing more. I imagine this is to make room for Hannahan.
Update: here's a bunch more information.
According to Don [the reason behind the demotion] is to improve his breaking ball and to change speeds better. It also means to think more like a starting pitcher and to have the presence and command on the mound to take his game into his own hands.
When asked last night why he did not throw his curve, Morrow answered, because it was not called or he did not shake to it. I asked Kenji why he did not call it and he told me because Morrow did not get ahead in the count enough to throw it. Kenji sees it now as an out pitch, and as Brandon gets more confidence in it, it can turn into a pitch he starts hitters out with. As for not shaking to it, Wak puts the responsibility on the pitcher in that situation.
The answer may lie in Morrow’s off-speed pitches and his ability to throw them for strikes. Against Texas, however, his change-up was in-and-out – and he never threw a curve.
“He felt like he just didn’t have a feel for it. He felt like it just spun out of his hand,” Wakamatsu said. “When he throws a good one, it’s an awfully good pitch. If he can harness that, I think you’re going to see a more complete pitcher.”
"We don't need a fifth starter after the break until July 25," manager Don Wakamatsu said. "We fan slide Garrett Olson into the rotation after the break until we make any other decision.
"We're sending Brandon out with specific goals, to improve his secondary pitches and continue to work on pitch efficiency. As I told him a few minutes ago, he's a big part of our close future. We stretched him out up here, he worked with (pitching coach) Rick Adair. Now he's got a definitive plan to work on."
So much for that talk about Morrow's present value the other day. I definitely support the team's decision, here, and I'm ecstatic that they finally - finally - seem committed to getting him some real work in the minors, but last night's start was disappointing, due to both the implications for Morrow and the implications for the season. Having Morrow build off of his Boston start would've been of great help, but now we'll have to be patient and hope that Olson can step up in his place.
I think what's most exciting is that Brandon's probably going to put a lot of work into developing his curveball. Remember this? We've barely seen that pitch all season long, and if he can come back from Tacoma later on with that firmly being part of his arsenal, then that's going to be awesome. Obviously I'd like to see him improve all of his pitches, but when it's working his curve might be my favorite pitch in baseball, and I don't know what I'd do if I never got to see it again.
So long, Brandon Morrow. I'm sure this probably sucks, but if you work hard enough in AAA, you'll be better because of it, and you'll earn your way back in short order. I wish you all the best. Make us proud.
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WHY CAN'T WE MAKE A DECISION
Brandon Morrow’s head must feel like a well-used top.
calim - July 11, 2009
SERIOUSLY
I Lick Squirrels - July 11, 2009
WHAT
I Lick Squirrels - July 11, 2009
THE
I Lick Squirrels - July 11, 2009
FUCK
I Lick Squirrels - July 11, 2009
Woooohoooooo curveballs and change ups baby
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
Get better, Brandon.
Teej - July 11, 2009
Well I'm probably in the minority here but I'm happy
Unless we make a trade it hurts us in the short-term but I want him to get better than he is now for the future.
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
I'm quite happy
Olson, Vargas, and RRS might not be much better, but at this point I’d rather see any of them starting to give Brandon a chance to actually work some stuff out.
And I just really want Hyphen to come back.
Fuckmikereilly - July 11, 2009
They're probably all worse than Morrow actually
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
None of them walk Omar Vizquel twice or the pitcher though.
Fuckmikereilly - July 11, 2009
It's a Melky Cabrera-like route, but all that matters is that they get him in the right spot...
okdan - July 11, 2009
Just watch him only be down for the ASB
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
You shut your whore mouth!
He’s going to go down there and they’re going to turn him into mini-Felix! Amirite?!
section331 - July 11, 2009
With a better fastball.
russak - July 11, 2009
I was kind of constipated today, after reading this... not so much anymore.
mark sobba - July 11, 2009
Who took Yuni's spot on the 25-man?
Teej - July 11, 2009
Yuni was still on the disabled list.
Coach Owens - July 11, 2009
That's right.
Teej - July 11, 2009
Yuni wasn't on the 25-man
calim - July 11, 2009
WHY NOW?!
EnglishMariner - July 11, 2009
Better late than never.
Coach Owens - July 11, 2009
True ... I assume this means that RRS will be back as well after the ASB.
EnglishMariner - July 11, 2009
Hyphen!!
I will have to catch one of his starts when he comes back up.
Fin - July 11, 2009
Maybe they figure they can keep working on his stamina now so he doesn't have to sit for a long time with the all star break
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
There are some dumb people on Bakers blog
Someone said this:
“well if this is the type of moves that Jack Z is going to make, then i hope he is fired, because this is pathetic, we are clearly in this thing, and we need help offensively, upgrading at defense is not going to help because this offense cant score, and after felix wash and sometimes bedard, we struggle with the 4 and 5 starters, and upgrading at defense isnt going to make them win”
russak - July 11, 2009
Clearly
Upgrading the defense has no point whatsoever
calim - July 11, 2009
Reading the comments on Bakers blog is like shit for the eyes.
Fin - July 11, 2009
Yeah thats the guy I was arguing with for a while, Nelson, he's an idiot
gregrabble - July 11, 2009
Reading Baker's blog Comments... well it just makes me sooooo happy I started reading USSM/LL years ago.
mark sobba - July 11, 2009
Honestly, at this point I think it's pretty passe to bitch about Baker's comment section.
It’s like making fun of a retarded person. There’s no sport in it.
esoteric - July 11, 2009
'Bout time.
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
Larry LaRue
ThundaPC - July 11, 2009
Yay.
Teej - July 11, 2009
Wheeee
But OH GOD OLSON, where art thou RRS
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
This makes no sense.
Vargas, RRS and Morrow are all much better starting options than Olson, and Olson has been much better out of the pen.
Fuckmikereilly - July 11, 2009
Maybe they will send Olson down for Vargas/RRS after the break?
EnglishMariner - July 11, 2009
Wak is saying they're keeping Vargas down to monitor his innings after not throwing last year
Don’t really know what their plans are with RRS.
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
I would imagine Wilson goes away
and one of Olson/RRS goes to the pen, if they are planning on monitoring Vargas’s innings.
Fuckmikereilly - July 11, 2009
I have only seen Wilson once the entire time he has been here.
I have no idea what he is still doing on the team.
Wilson: “Foot massage Mr. Griffey Jr. sir?”
Junior: “How ’d you get in here kid?”
Wilson: “I’m 28 sir”
Junior: “…”
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
START VARGAS NOT OLSEN PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY
Decatur - July 11, 2009
Drayer has a new blog post up as well
Clicky clicky
okdan - July 11, 2009
So Morrow has shaky command with his offspeed stuff, but good grief.
I’m not a fan of Johjima
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
He calls a bad game.
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
Seeing it is one thing, hearing him actually say it?
Reminds of the Mike Sweeney spring training story, where he asked the guys what the opposing pitcher was throwing that day and nobody could tell him.
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
JESUS CHRIST JOHJIMA WTF?
BENDY THINGS ARE GOOD YOU RETARD
Decatur - July 11, 2009
Starting to think there's something to this
All of our pitchers hate working with Kenji
calim - July 11, 2009
Nothing about this implies that Morrow hates working with Kenji
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Fair enough
But we know Felix and Washburn don’t like it, and Morrow’s response sounds like he’s perfectly willing to pass the buck. Doesn’t seem like a great working relationship.
calim - July 11, 2009
It shouldn't matter at all
The pitcher is the one who ultimately gets to decide what pitch he throws, the catcher is just making suggestions.
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
And Rob's ability to catch a pitch is clearly worse so I'd think they would be more upset with him
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
You'd think
But there clearly is something about Joh that Felix and Washburn dislike. Jeff’s right, though, it’s not fair to extend that to Morrow without more concrete evidence. This definitely isn’t a good sign, though.
calim - July 11, 2009
If I had to guess
Johjima doesn’t do anything differently than Johnson, but pitchers think he does, which gets in their heads, which makes them worse.
That is, if the effect is even real, which is dubious.
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
I remember three years ago when Johjima was criticized for calling too much offspeed stuff.
Teej - July 11, 2009
It's well within the rights of the pitcher to tell the catcher what he wants to throw.
BrianL - July 11, 2009
Morrow only threw 64% fastballs, which is pretty low for a guy who can't hit a spot with anything else
He also says he didn’t have a good feel for his curve last night (presumably in the bullpen), so on a day where he couldn’t throw a strike, I’m willing to give Kenji the benefit of the doubt on this one. Morrow just looked like shit.
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Ah, that makes more sense. I was way too harsh on Joh. His calling is pretty defensible when you look at it in that light. I didn't read that far because I started seeing red after the above quotation.
Decatur - July 11, 2009
Also, Morrow in AAA means more work on bendy things, which makes me happy.
Also, what happened to his huge 12-6 curve ball that I remember him having when he came up? Has his slider just gotten harder and sharper or did he scrap a curveball?
Decatur - July 11, 2009
He hasn't thrown his curveball much at all because he hasn't had a good feel for it
It’s still in there somewhere. Hopefully Tacoma can bring it out.
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Or am I just imagining things?
Decatur - July 11, 2009
I'm just looking at the gifs and drooling, I kind of feel weak in the knees.
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
That certainly puts a different face on it, can't argue with the guy if he's not feeling it.
Too many memories of establish the fastball mantra left over from last year
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
I'm pretty sure that's what the second blockquote in the post says
I could be wrong though.
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Look at me with egg on my face, I didn't refresh yet.
Good on Joh then for working with his pitcher
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
So now Johjima's game calling is Brandon's next excuse.
What a wimp.
For a guy with great stuff physically, Brandon Morrow makes me very sad.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
How was Morrow using this as an excuse?
Come on, guys.
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
more like people are making joh the scape goat for every pitching problem and loss this season
w00tah - July 11, 2009
I'm going to try to be polite but we would all really, really appreciate it if you would use proper capitalization
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
OK he was set up a little by the Johjima hating media.
But you see like Dekatur did, people can run away with it. I put the blame on his shitty pitching last night. That wasn’t game calling, tough to work with shit.
Better reply would be now comment to the bait and focus on why he can pitch so bad with such good stuff.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Sorry, bad punctualization.
But you see, like Dekatur did, people can run away with it and try to put all the blame on Johjima instead where the responsbility (and problem) really lies.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
I hope you're referring to my mea culpa too.
Decatur - July 11, 2009
Read it now, sorry.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
No worries. But I've never before taken any of the "Johjima calls a bad game" line seriously until the past few weeks.
Seeing this – http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/4/5/389840/framing-the-debate (Johjima, in a very preliminary study, appears to be the second worst catcher at framing pitches in baseball) – has made me look at the pitchers complaining subtly about not liking to throw at him in a new light (I thought the pitchers were just being whiny losers, but maybe they have a point).
Johjima is still far better than Rob Johnson.
Decatur - July 11, 2009
Ehhh, the missing curve wasn't really the problem last night
The problem was that Morrow very clearly couldn’t throw a strike with anything, and that’s not Johjima’s fault.
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Dekatur sounds like the Death Metal version of me.
Maybe throw an umalat in there:
Decatur - July 11, 2009
Cool
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Yikes "no comment", that is.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
What?
Teej - July 11, 2009
FUCK!
WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS!
I Lick Squirrels - July 11, 2009
I only want RRS if he's decent
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Apparently he hasn't been bad lately.
OlSalty - July 11, 2009
I'd like more swinging strikes
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
He pitched decent last time out.
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
His velocity is still down though, no?
I think Paul said he was sitting 86-88 or so his last few starts
seattlebruin - July 11, 2009
I honestly don't know.
92 seems to be his ceiling.
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
If you refresh the page, the post is updated with more info
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Wooohooo!!! Morrow gets sent down for seasoning.
Great move. This was my major gripe with the team now.
Love the present admin, they could not be more awesome.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Jeff.
May I see the .gif of the crazy, wild, breaking pitch that Morrow threw that seemed to change direction?
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
The one to Vlad? I linked it in the post (click refresh)
Or perhaps you mean one of these:
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
The second.
Flat out amazing!
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
Brandon has great stuff.
If only he weren’t a headcase.
Hope he gets things (and his attitude, wussiness) straightened out down there.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Why do you think Morrow is a wuss?
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
I loved Morrow when he came up.
But then this year, the (paraphasing to be short)
“I can’t start because of my diabetes”…
“I love the closer’s job because blah blah blah”…
“I only said I couldn’t start because I didn’t want to be sent down”…
etc.
This really soured me on his attitude.
Hope he get things straightened out, because I would love to see his arm in the rotation next year.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Or in a month, if need be and he's looking OK
calim - July 11, 2009
I applaud him for his honestly on the last one
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
Hope you're really applauding the honestly.
Before the season started I was looking forward to a Felix, Bedard (contract year), Morrow, top of the rotation being awesome this year, and shutting up everybody who said we would suck.
Seeing Morrow almost one hit the Yankees last year, who could not love his stuff and not look forward to the season? Then the wissy wassy stuff started. Huge disappointment.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Wissy wassy?
Now you’re just making up words.
ralphie81 - July 11, 2009
Or he meant wishy washy and messed up.
Mariner John - July 12, 2009
I don't know whats it's like to have diabetes.
So I don’t know that I would call him a wuss using it as an excuse.
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
If it's not stopping him throwing many pitches now, then it wasn't really a no-go
= excuse
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Who's to say it isn't?
Teej - July 11, 2009
He couldn't lift his arm after starts last year it got so fatigued (it got better by the 3rd day of rest or so, but still).
Frankly, it’s pretty ignorant to say he’s using his diabetes as a crutch or excuse. There’s a very real possibility that Morrow could literally die during the game if he got amped up without regulating his blood sugar. It’s not a joke.
Decatur - July 11, 2009
Real men don't need their Pancreas.
Jarrod Washburn would pitch through Insulin shock.
Vatinius - July 11, 2009
If he could die, then what the hell is he doing playing baseball?!?
Wow.
He can’t handle relief either (or rather we can’t afford it) so there would be no place for him in this vocation.
I hate it when people try to reap the benefits (high salary, perks of being a MLBer) and then come up with an excuse saying why they can’t do their job.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Any player could die from any number of things while playing baseball.
Why should Morrow not play just because he has a slightly better chance of dying?
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
You're missing the point.
I’m saying that if you’re on the big team it shouldn’t be used as an almighty card (excuse) whenever you want, to dictate to your bosses how you would like to be used.
(Paraphrasing bluntly to get the point through) “I might die so you have to use me in the closer’s role. And don’t send me down because I like being in the big leagues.”
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up the "he could die" stuff.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Well maybe "hate" is too strong a word.
Just hard to muster sympathy for it.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Are you advocating him to stop starting then?
Because I highly doubt he has the make-up to close games.
I think the only chance he has for success is as a starting pitcher. And I don’t think the diabetes is why he is sucking now (this is why I don’t like medical conditions used as almighty excuses for everything, escpecially for someone receiving a lot of money as a professional athlete).
Hopefully he will get the seasoning he needs in Tacoma, without hurting the team anymore.
And if it was so tough for him he could just retire and nurture his diabetic condition which would probably make his fans happy (realistically judging from some of the comments, because realistically there’s no room or need on any big league team to coddle someone with special demands. These men are making truckloads of money by their bodies. There’s no disability quota, is there?).
However, I suspect he would much rather be a successful major leaguer=starting (for his makeup). His choice, but he has a long ways to go in Tacoma.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
You're pretending to know a lot more than you do.
Teej - July 11, 2009
Seems a natural (yeah but tedious) response to the arguments being made by the advocates though.
Maybe I overreacted, but excuses are excuses.
If he hadn’t sucked as a closer (the job he wanted because he “couldnt start”) it would be fine.
But I don’t see he has any grounds for complaints for getting his mess (the paraphrased list above) criticized or for complaints about being sent down to be seasoned. (Of course this time some of his fans are making the excuses, not him).
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Well anyway,
get well trained in Tacoma, Brandon!
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Please Morrow. Bring this stuff back into the repertoire.
russak - July 11, 2009
If only that terrible Johjima had let Morrow throw that pitch last night
we would have won by a shutout.
That terrible Johijima. (Right?)
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
Johjima is catching both of the pitches above.
;)
Mariner Melee - July 11, 2009
Out pitch on both, 3-2 count on the second. Nice
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
The benefit of being nowhere near a playoff race
Jeff Sullivan - July 11, 2009
I really liked Gil Meche, and when he first came up I was in love with his curveball.
Morrow is kind of my new Meche. Seemed like Meche sometimes had command of his curve and sometimes not. I loved watching games when he was spotting his curve, electric stuff
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
Great point.
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
I don't know if I'm making a point, probably waxing nostalgic and violating the LLLJ rule
Those gifs of Morrow are pretty sexy
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
Sorry, I should have wrote
Now that you post it I can also really see the similarities between Morrow and Meche.
Hope Morrow turns out better with us (though Meche is doing well in KC).
Sam Regens - July 11, 2009
The difference is that Morrow can also throw 97.
Vatinius - July 11, 2009
Wasn't Meche was up around 96 fairly consistently before his shoulder blew up?
His curve was slower I think, big 12-6 looper. Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong
Kermit. - July 11, 2009
God, I'm loving the moves this team is making.
For all the “COME ON! WHY NOW?” folks consider this.
Would you rather have Morrow toiling and frustrating every start for the rest of the year or possibly adding an impact starting pitcher by replacing scary only fastballs, no control Morrow with potentially great fastballs + bendy pitches and possibly even a little control Morrow?
Barring trading for a good SS, this is the best addition we could make.
SethGrandpa - July 11, 2009
Huh.
Am I the only one bothered by his comments in Baker’s post?
Asking why he would want to refine his “repertoire” and saying “why would I want to do that?” seems kind of…well, buddy needs to refine his repertoire….
section331 - July 11, 2009
I like how this could've all been avoided had they just kept Morrow in the minors as a starter to begin with.
JLC - July 11, 2009
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