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Brandon Morrow Is Off To Tacoma

Busy day on Twitter. Both Baker and Drayer have confirmed it, and nothing more. I imagine this is to make room for Hannahan.

Update: here's a bunch more information.

Drayer:

According to Don [the reason behind the demotion] is to improve his breaking ball and to change speeds better. It also means to think more like a starting pitcher and to have the presence and command on the mound to take his game into his own hands.

When asked last night why he did not throw his curve, Morrow answered, because it was not called or he did not shake to it. I asked Kenji why he did not call it and he told me because Morrow did not get ahead in the count enough to throw it. Kenji sees it now as an out pitch, and as Brandon gets more confidence in it, it can turn into a pitch he starts hitters out with. As for not shaking to it, Wak puts the responsibility on the pitcher in that situation.

LaRue, article:

The answer may lie in Morrow’s off-speed pitches and his ability to throw them for strikes. Against Texas, however, his change-up was in-and-out – and he never threw a curve.

“He felt like he just didn’t have a feel for it. He felt like it just spun out of his hand,” Wakamatsu said. “When he throws a good one, it’s an awfully good pitch. If he can harness that, I think you’re going to see a more complete pitcher.”

LaRue, blog:

"We don't need a fifth starter after the break until July 25," manager Don Wakamatsu said. "We fan slide Garrett Olson into the rotation after the break until we make any other decision.

"We're sending Brandon out with specific goals, to improve his secondary pitches and continue to work on pitch efficiency. As I told him a few minutes ago, he's a big part of our close future. We stretched him out up here, he worked with (pitching coach) Rick Adair. Now he's got a definitive plan to work on."

So much for that talk about Morrow's present value the other day. I definitely support the team's decision, here, and I'm ecstatic that they finally - finally - seem committed to getting him some real work in the minors, but last night's start was disappointing, due to both the implications for Morrow and the implications for the season. Having Morrow build off of his Boston start would've been of great help, but now we'll have to be patient and hope that Olson can step up in his place.

I think what's most exciting is that Brandon's probably going to put a lot of work into developing his curveball. Remember this? We've barely seen that pitch all season long, and if he can come back from Tacoma later on with that firmly being part of his arsenal, then that's going to be awesome. Obviously I'd like to see him improve all of his pitches, but when it's working his curve might be my favorite pitch in baseball, and I don't know what I'd do if I never got to see it again.

So long, Brandon Morrow. I'm sure this probably sucks, but if you work hard enough in AAA, you'll be better because of it, and you'll earn your way back in short order. I wish you all the best. Make us proud.

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WHY CAN'T WE MAKE A DECISION

Brandon Morrow’s head must feel like a well-used top.

Woooohoooooo curveballs and change ups baby
Get better, Brandon.
Well I'm probably in the minority here but I'm happy

Unless we make a trade it hurts us in the short-term but I want him to get better than he is now for the future.

I'm quite happy

Olson, Vargas, and RRS might not be much better, but at this point I’d rather see any of them starting to give Brandon a chance to actually work some stuff out.

And I just really want Hyphen to come back.

They're probably all worse than Morrow actually
None of them walk Omar Vizquel twice or the pitcher though.
It's a Melky Cabrera-like route, but all that matters is that they get him in the right spot...
Just watch him only be down for the ASB
You shut your whore mouth!

He’s going to go down there and they’re going to turn him into mini-Felix! Amirite?!

With a better fastball.
I was kind of constipated today, after reading this... not so much anymore.
Who took Yuni's spot on the 25-man?
Yuni was still on the disabled list.
That's right.
Yuni wasn't on the 25-man
WHY NOW?!
Better late than never.
True ... I assume this means that RRS will be back as well after the ASB.
Hyphen!!

I will have to catch one of his starts when he comes back up.

Maybe they figure they can keep working on his stamina now so he doesn't have to sit for a long time with the all star break
There are some dumb people on Bakers blog

Someone said this:

“well if this is the type of moves that Jack Z is going to make, then i hope he is fired, because this is pathetic, we are clearly in this thing, and we need help offensively, upgrading at defense is not going to help because this offense cant score, and after felix wash and sometimes bedard, we struggle with the 4 and 5 starters, and upgrading at defense isnt going to make them win”

Clearly

Upgrading the defense has no point whatsoever

Reading the comments on Bakers blog is like shit for the eyes.
Yeah thats the guy I was arguing with for a while, Nelson, he's an idiot
Reading Baker's blog Comments... well it just makes me sooooo happy I started reading USSM/LL years ago.
Honestly, at this point I think it's pretty passe to bitch about Baker's comment section.

It’s like making fun of a retarded person. There’s no sport in it.

Larry LaRue
“We don’t need a fifth starter after the break until July 25,” manager Don Wakamatsu said. "We can slide Garrett Olson into the rotation after the break until we make any other decision.

“We’re sending Brandon out with specific goals, to improve his secondary pitches and continue to work on pitch efficiency. As I told him a few minutes ago, he’s a big part of our close future. We stretched him out up here, he worked with (pitching coach) Rick Adair. Now he’s got a definitive plan to work on.”
Wheeee

But OH GOD OLSON, where art thou RRS

This makes no sense.

Vargas, RRS and Morrow are all much better starting options than Olson, and Olson has been much better out of the pen.

Maybe they will send Olson down for Vargas/RRS after the break?
Wak is saying they're keeping Vargas down to monitor his innings after not throwing last year

Don’t really know what their plans are with RRS.

I would imagine Wilson goes away

and one of Olson/RRS goes to the pen, if they are planning on monitoring Vargas’s innings.

I have only seen Wilson once the entire time he has been here.

I have no idea what he is still doing on the team.

Wilson: “Foot massage Mr. Griffey Jr. sir?”

Junior: “How ’d you get in here kid?”

Wilson: “I’m 28 sir”

Junior: “…”

START VARGAS NOT OLSEN PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY
Drayer has a new blog post up as well

Clicky clicky

So Morrow has shaky command with his offspeed stuff, but good grief.

I’m not a fan of Johjima

He calls a bad game.
Seeing it is one thing, hearing him actually say it?

Reminds of the Mike Sweeney spring training story, where he asked the guys what the opposing pitcher was throwing that day and nobody could tell him.

JESUS CHRIST JOHJIMA WTF?
When asked last night why he did not throw his curve, Morrow answered, because it was not called or he did not shake to it. I asked Kenji why he did not call it and he told me because Morrow did not get ahead in the count enough to throw it. Kenji sees it now as an out pitch, and as Brandon gets more confidence in it, it can turn into a pitch he starts hitters out with. As for not shaking to it, Wak puts the responsibility on the pitcher in that situation.

BENDY THINGS ARE GOOD YOU RETARD

Starting to think there's something to this

All of our pitchers hate working with Kenji

Nothing about this implies that Morrow hates working with Kenji
Fair enough

But we know Felix and Washburn don’t like it, and Morrow’s response sounds like he’s perfectly willing to pass the buck. Doesn’t seem like a great working relationship.

It shouldn't matter at all

The pitcher is the one who ultimately gets to decide what pitch he throws, the catcher is just making suggestions.

And Rob's ability to catch a pitch is clearly worse so I'd think they would be more upset with him
You'd think

But there clearly is something about Joh that Felix and Washburn dislike. Jeff’s right, though, it’s not fair to extend that to Morrow without more concrete evidence. This definitely isn’t a good sign, though.

If I had to guess

Johjima doesn’t do anything differently than Johnson, but pitchers think he does, which gets in their heads, which makes them worse.

That is, if the effect is even real, which is dubious.

I remember three years ago when Johjima was criticized for calling too much offspeed stuff.
It's well within the rights of the pitcher to tell the catcher what he wants to throw.
Morrow only threw 64% fastballs, which is pretty low for a guy who can't hit a spot with anything else

He also says he didn’t have a good feel for his curve last night (presumably in the bullpen), so on a day where he couldn’t throw a strike, I’m willing to give Kenji the benefit of the doubt on this one. Morrow just looked like shit.

Ah, that makes more sense. I was way too harsh on Joh. His calling is pretty defensible when you look at it in that light. I didn't read that far because I started seeing red after the above quotation.
Also, Morrow in AAA means more work on bendy things, which makes me happy.

Also, what happened to his huge 12-6 curve ball that I remember him having when he came up? Has his slider just gotten harder and sharper or did he scrap a curveball?

He hasn't thrown his curveball much at all because he hasn't had a good feel for it

It’s still in there somewhere. Hopefully Tacoma can bring it out.

Or am I just imagining things?
I'm just looking at the gifs and drooling, I kind of feel weak in the knees.
That certainly puts a different face on it, can't argue with the guy if he's not feeling it.

Too many memories of establish the fastball mantra left over from last year

I'm pretty sure that's what the second blockquote in the post says

I could be wrong though.

Look at me with egg on my face, I didn't refresh yet.

Good on Joh then for working with his pitcher

So now Johjima's game calling is Brandon's next excuse.

What a wimp.

For a guy with great stuff physically, Brandon Morrow makes me very sad.

How was Morrow using this as an excuse?

Come on, guys.

more like people are making joh the scape goat for every pitching problem and loss this season
I'm going to try to be polite but we would all really, really appreciate it if you would use proper capitalization
OK he was set up a little by the Johjima hating media.

But you see like Dekatur did, people can run away with it. I put the blame on his shitty pitching last night. That wasn’t game calling, tough to work with shit.

Better reply would be now comment to the bait and focus on why he can pitch so bad with such good stuff.

Sorry, bad punctualization.

But you see, like Dekatur did, people can run away with it and try to put all the blame on Johjima instead where the responsbility (and problem) really lies.

I hope you're referring to my mea culpa too.
Read it now, sorry.
No worries. But I've never before taken any of the "Johjima calls a bad game" line seriously until the past few weeks.

Seeing this – http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/4/5/389840/framing-the-debate (Johjima, in a very preliminary study, appears to be the second worst catcher at framing pitches in baseball) – has made me look at the pitchers complaining subtly about not liking to throw at him in a new light (I thought the pitchers were just being whiny losers, but maybe they have a point).

Johjima is still far better than Rob Johnson.

Ehhh, the missing curve wasn't really the problem last night

The problem was that Morrow very clearly couldn’t throw a strike with anything, and that’s not Johjima’s fault.

Dekatur sounds like the Death Metal version of me.

Maybe throw an umalat in there:

Dekatür
Yikes "no comment", that is.
FUCK!

WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS!

I only want RRS if he's decent
Apparently he hasn't been bad lately.
I'd like more swinging strikes
He pitched decent last time out.
His velocity is still down though, no?

I think Paul said he was sitting 86-88 or so his last few starts

I honestly don't know.

92 seems to be his ceiling.

If you refresh the page, the post is updated with more info
Wooohooo!!! Morrow gets sent down for seasoning.

Great move. This was my major gripe with the team now.
Love the present admin, they could not be more awesome.

Jeff.

May I see the .gif of the crazy, wild, breaking pitch that Morrow threw that seemed to change direction?

The one to Vlad? I linked it in the post (click refresh)

Or perhaps you mean one of these:

The second.

Flat out amazing!

Brandon has great stuff.

If only he weren’t a headcase.

Hope he gets things (and his attitude, wussiness) straightened out down there.

Why do you think Morrow is a wuss?
I loved Morrow when he came up.

But then this year, the (paraphasing to be short)
“I can’t start because of my diabetes”…
“I love the closer’s job because blah blah blah”…
“I only said I couldn’t start because I didn’t want to be sent down”…
etc.
This really soured me on his attitude.

Hope he get things straightened out, because I would love to see his arm in the rotation next year.

Or in a month, if need be and he's looking OK
I applaud him for his honestly on the last one
Hope you're really applauding the honestly.

Before the season started I was looking forward to a Felix, Bedard (contract year), Morrow, top of the rotation being awesome this year, and shutting up everybody who said we would suck.

Seeing Morrow almost one hit the Yankees last year, who could not love his stuff and not look forward to the season? Then the wissy wassy stuff started. Huge disappointment.

Wissy wassy?

Now you’re just making up words.

Or he meant wishy washy and messed up.
I don't know whats it's like to have diabetes.

So I don’t know that I would call him a wuss using it as an excuse.

If it's not stopping him throwing many pitches now, then it wasn't really a no-go

= excuse

Who's to say it isn't?
He couldn't lift his arm after starts last year it got so fatigued (it got better by the 3rd day of rest or so, but still).

Frankly, it’s pretty ignorant to say he’s using his diabetes as a crutch or excuse. There’s a very real possibility that Morrow could literally die during the game if he got amped up without regulating his blood sugar. It’s not a joke.

Real men don't need their Pancreas.

Jarrod Washburn would pitch through Insulin shock.

If he could die, then what the hell is he doing playing baseball?!?

Wow.

He can’t handle relief either (or rather we can’t afford it) so there would be no place for him in this vocation.

I hate it when people try to reap the benefits (high salary, perks of being a MLBer) and then come up with an excuse saying why they can’t do their job.

Any player could die from any number of things while playing baseball.

Why should Morrow not play just because he has a slightly better chance of dying?

You're missing the point.

I’m saying that if you’re on the big team it shouldn’t be used as an almighty card (excuse) whenever you want, to dictate to your bosses how you would like to be used.

(Paraphrasing bluntly to get the point through) “I might die so you have to use me in the closer’s role. And don’t send me down because I like being in the big leagues.”

Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up the "he could die" stuff.
Well maybe "hate" is too strong a word.

Just hard to muster sympathy for it.

Are you advocating him to stop starting then?

Because I highly doubt he has the make-up to close games.

I think the only chance he has for success is as a starting pitcher. And I don’t think the diabetes is why he is sucking now (this is why I don’t like medical conditions used as almighty excuses for everything, escpecially for someone receiving a lot of money as a professional athlete).

Hopefully he will get the seasoning he needs in Tacoma, without hurting the team anymore.

And if it was so tough for him he could just retire and nurture his diabetic condition which would probably make his fans happy (realistically judging from some of the comments, because realistically there’s no room or need on any big league team to coddle someone with special demands. These men are making truckloads of money by their bodies. There’s no disability quota, is there?).
However, I suspect he would much rather be a successful major leaguer=starting (for his makeup). His choice, but he has a long ways to go in Tacoma.

You're pretending to know a lot more than you do.
Seems a natural (yeah but tedious) response to the arguments being made by the advocates though.

Maybe I overreacted, but excuses are excuses.

If he hadn’t sucked as a closer (the job he wanted because he “couldnt start”) it would be fine.
But I don’t see he has any grounds for complaints for getting his mess (the paraphrased list above) criticized or for complaints about being sent down to be seasoned. (Of course this time some of his fans are making the excuses, not him).

Well anyway,

get well trained in Tacoma, Brandon!

Please Morrow. Bring this stuff back into the repertoire.
If only that terrible Johjima had let Morrow throw that pitch last night

we would have won by a shutout.

That terrible Johijima. (Right?)

Johjima is catching both of the pitches above.

;)

Out pitch on both, 3-2 count on the second. Nice
The benefit of being nowhere near a playoff race
I really liked Gil Meche, and when he first came up I was in love with his curveball.

Morrow is kind of my new Meche. Seemed like Meche sometimes had command of his curve and sometimes not. I loved watching games when he was spotting his curve, electric stuff

Great point.
I don't know if I'm making a point, probably waxing nostalgic and violating the LLLJ rule

Those gifs of Morrow are pretty sexy

Sorry, I should have wrote

Now that you post it I can also really see the similarities between Morrow and Meche.

Hope Morrow turns out better with us (though Meche is doing well in KC).

The difference is that Morrow can also throw 97.
Wasn't Meche was up around 96 fairly consistently before his shoulder blew up?

His curve was slower I think, big 12-6 looper. Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong

God, I'm loving the moves this team is making.

For all the “COME ON! WHY NOW?” folks consider this.

Would you rather have Morrow toiling and frustrating every start for the rest of the year or possibly adding an impact starting pitcher by replacing scary only fastballs, no control Morrow with potentially great fastballs + bendy pitches and possibly even a little control Morrow?

Barring trading for a good SS, this is the best addition we could make.

Huh.

Am I the only one bothered by his comments in Baker’s post?
Asking why he would want to refine his “repertoire” and saying “why would I want to do that?” seems kind of…well, buddy needs to refine his repertoire….

I like how this could've all been avoided had they just kept Morrow in the minors as a starter to begin with.

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