Lookout Landing

I love this site.

I’ll hunt this down while in Addis. Thanks for the advice; we’ll look into it.

themoose - July 28, 2009 reply

Just remember that "incoming international calls are free" means that the person who is calling you is paying - probably ALOT.

Hey, check out international calling cards before you leave. They are not all equal

Many are very regional friendly for say Africa, but punish you if you make a call in Mexico. Read the fine print, beware of connection penalties, the like.

Hmm

more

That ain't my parents Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom. Yikes

If you contact the US Embassy in Addis

it’s a possibility that they’ll hook you up with some internet access. We have a library here with a couple of terminals that we’ve let wayward Americans use from time to time.

coolguyrob - July 28, 2009 reply

This trip will probably be far more exciting than any trades that go down.

You have weird priorities

If we get Brignac, though, scratch everything I said because holy crap.

So I've been trying to follow this but I think I've lost track of Clement's status over the last month or so.

Is he still physically capable of catching? Has he returned to catching recently?

Sorry for being off the ball with this.

Probably not physically capable of it but has been cleared to start trying again recently

My sources tell me that As most of you know, Jeff Clement was pulled from Tacoma's game today in the 3rd inning after hitting a double in the first, and it does not appear to be injury or sickness related.

Did he hustle to second?

He's white so he can't not hustle

Well, white and not small

Gihyou - July 28, 2009 reply

...

grission?

So grission means 'not deserving of death by flaying' yes?

hey, felix, throw a fastball

this was a better comeback last year

/Phillies

damn it

Nope.

Practice for when he plays for the Rays.

Or maybe the Indians?

I love our lazy players.

Love(d). Welcome to Seattle Evan Longoria!

Lazy is a synonym for black.

Suck it.

And rec

Trade Rumor Sites Are Like Weathermen

Mostly wrong but we still keep surfing to them.

I should start one up on the side.

Clement and Washburn to Minnesota for Nick Punto and R.A. Dickey

Tony S - July 28, 2009 reply

I wouldn't start one of those sites.

It takes a shitload of work to be that wrong all the time.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2009555294_tacomas_jeff_clement_pinch-hit.html

Wakamatsu weighs in on Clement rumors...

Here’s what manager Don Wakamatsu said: “I just found out. I’m sitting here trying to get out of a four-game losing streak. If anything happens, I trust our organization in Jack Zduriencik’s hands. I don’t know any details beyond he was pulled,”

You would think he would get word if Clement was being called up..

Wish we didn’t have to wait until tomorrow morning to find out – but yeah, it’s looking like we are.

seattlesundevil - July 28, 2009 reply

Trade rumors would be so annoying as a manager

If Washburn brings back any value.

Then Armstrong will come out looking like a hero.

Nut----->Blind squirrel

I'm hearing it's for LaRoche and Hudson

Robert - July 28, 2009 via mobile reply

Whore

That would be rad

Damn, I was gonna make this joke and decided not to...

PositivePaul - July 28, 2009 reply

Anyone watching ESPN?

No. Why?

Nothing. I just listened to anon commentor on baker's blog saying ESPN announced a Halladay trade and I don't get ESPN.

Nothing about Halladay on ESPN recently...

Geeves72 - July 28, 2009 reply

Psssh, ESPN won't report it unless he's traded to the Yankees or Red Sox.

I am.

Talking about the Mets game now.

The anticipation is killing me!

Slow Country - July 28, 2009 reply

I hear we're trading him to the Mariners for Rob Johnson

Nick S - July 28, 2009 reply

Well wouldn't that be ideal.

I thought it was Clement to the Royals

for Yuni and Willie … I hear the M’s are in need of some options at SS

manifestus - July 28, 2009 reply

Does anyone have Channel 179 on comcast?

I didn’t realize you could watch the DJs from KJR on there.

I'm "not authorized" for channel 179 :(

Only Softy.

of all the guys to put on tv …

I don't really listen to KJR that much.

Is he not that good of a DJ?

Not exactly the smartest guy around.

Over-loud, over-dramatic, over-enthusiatic ....

I think it's funny how sports journalists are somehow synonymous with sports knowledge. You don't expect Brian Williams to really know a shitload about national news and history - just report it.

These guys on KJR are entertainers, and nothing more.

"You don't expect Brian Williams to really know a shitload about national news and history "

you don’t?

Brian Doesn't Know News would be his screen name

I think a news journalist like that would obviously know a lot, but I don't think he'd know it necessarily a lot more than a person who watches Brian Williams report the news everyday.

Okay, BW would know more than the viewers, but my point is, it doesn’t make him a genius, he got the job for his reporting skills, not his knowledge is my main argument. Do we expect Stuart Scott to know a lot about ANYTHING? I really hope not.

I mean, he does read a teleprompter.

The guys on KJR are hired for their opinions.

When your opinion is wrong and stupid, then you’re not very good at your job.

No, they're hired for their on-air personalities.

Are you saying that the guys on KJR do have great opinions?

Some of them are smarter than the others.

When you claim something that’s wrong as a fact, like Softy often does, then you’re going to look stupid.

Its really Mitch that I can't stand. But that had less to do with sports and more to do with being such an annoying show.

And no, I don't really believe that it's all about on-air personality.

Otherwise people like Dori Monson wouldn’t have jobs.

I actually think Mitch is the best interviewer on local sports radio

argystokes - July 28, 2009 reply

The rightness of an opinion doesn't matter on radio.

It’s how loudly you state it

argystokes - July 28, 2009 reply

Newscaster and Sportscenter anchors are different.

I did major in broadcast production and know for a fact that everybody who was majoring in broadcast journalism was a complete idiot.

And they won’t all be sports anchors.

I agree, I don't think people in journalism are the smartest people.

What about me? I'm a double in journalism and broadcasting?

I guess that means periods of brilliance offset by utter retardation?

Nah...I forgot I don't do shit in school.

Sorry if a struck a chord there.

I said that without really thinking how I would offend someone. But from what I’ve heard journalism is a pretty bullshit major. But then again, business also doesn’t seem to be as rigorous as computer science or engineering.

No, I was kidding around, you've VERY justified in saying that.

I really don’t do anything. My friends who are engineers do more homework in a week than I do in a semester and that is 0% exaggeration.

SethGrandpa - July 29, 2009 reply

Yes.

I have heard that in communications you don’t even have to write papers. That would be so nice.

I was a print journalism major, and I wanted to think that all the broadcast people were complete idiots, and it's just not true.

I'm guessing that they won't make it to the biggest stage in their field though if they're dumb.

On the ones that weren't sports.

I have to disagree.

I remember there was one guy in the journalism side of the class out of about 15 or 20 when I was graduating and everyone was sure he’d be the one to make it. Because he was smart? No. Because he had a voice like Stone Philips. It’s all about how you look and sound and are able to read a teleprompter.

Do you ever have an argument based outside of your own subjective experiences?

You're very objective about the Angels.

What have I said that you would label as objective?

You objectify Maicer in your avatar.

Don't you just want to lick the space between his eyebrows?

No, but then again I'm weird like that.

Would you lick the space between his thighbrows?

WOULD I!

YES. WOULD YOU?

.

I remember there was one guy in the journalism side of the class out of about 15 or 20 when I was graduating and everyone was sure he’d be the one to make it.

Wow.

Wow what?

Do you want me to tell you how it works? You think I went to a small school with an unknown school of journalism?

That wasn't my point so get that fucking know out of your undies.

*knot

Knot, even.

YEAH! I got your back, ac.

Whats your point then?

Im honestly curious.

My point is that making broad assertions based on that small a scope of experience is dumb

It's not like I'm looking at someone who goes 10-for-20 to start the season and believe he's going to hit .500.

I was just giving an opinion based on my own experiences from going to a big journalism school and explaining that the kid that stood out the most was not the smartest, just looked and sounded the most like a real news anchor. NBC would never hire a really really smart ugly person over one who looked and sounded great but was an idiot. They do have writers.

Oh brother

You’re Ken Rosenthal aren’t you?

Bearskin I thought we had been getting along.

I get upset when people pull their pedigrees out

Bearskin Rugburn - July 29, 2009 reply

I wasn't trying to do that. But I read his comment as "so you went to a shitty school?"

You all went to shitty schools compared to Attractive Nuisance.

So shush.

He went to Stanford right?

And Columbia.

Really I'm only invoking his name because it would be douchey to bring up mine.

Oh shit I’m a douche.

So the one guy from your graduating class is going to take over when one of the 3 big nightly news anchors retires?

In 20 or so years?

That's his opinion, so it must be true.

How does what I say come off as "my opinions are true and final" anymore than anyone elses?

If anything, I’ve mostly come off as “sorry if this sounds ignorant but…”

IM SO SORRY I SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT ERICK AYBAR! Please forgive me.

Yeah. If you plan to hang around here, you might need

to develop a thicker skin. Everybody else has. Well, I haven’t needed to because everybody loves me and I’m better.

My skin is thick. I used caps for comedic effect.

How the hell should I know?

I just know what the opinions of the people in the class were. And while I prepare for the hurling of insults I’ll just say that I went to WSU.

So did another LLer and he seems to disagree with you vehemently

Well I think its fair to say that its okay to disagree and it also doesn't necessarily make my opinion false.

It really is just my opinion based on my experiences and if you asked most of the people I went to school with, they would agree. But maybe it was just a bad year at Murrow.

So did I. I was an editor at the Evergreen for four years.

In a general sense, it’s true, the broadcast majors tended to be the more vain people who were less interested in actual journalism. But I still knew a lot of people in the broadcast program who were dedicated to doing great work and just thought broadcast was a better medium for their careers. And that medium tends to require more . . . non-journalistic values, if you will.

Five years later, it’s looking like they might have been wise, as furious as it makes me to say that.

I get where you’re going. And I tend to have a pretty negative outlook toward broadcast journalism, trust me. But there are still a lot of good people there. The world just forced them into a medium that . . . OK I’m rambling. Go Cougs!

Teej - July 29, 2009 reply

First off, Go Cougs

Secondly, I just found that most of the people that truly cared about journalism, majored in Production or Print Journalism. But the Broadcast Journalism majors reminded me a lot of the people who I see everyday in my new town. That would be Los Angeles and those people would be Actors. They have a look and they want to use it to their advantage and it’s rarely because they are the most amazing actors of all-time.

And also

Its not that I think everyone in journalism, whether it be on TV or Radio is an idiot. I just think it’s wrong for so many to people believe that because you are on TV or Radio that makes you smart on the subject. I should know, for most of my life, I thought this to be true. There are very few people on ESPN left that I trust.

Hahahaha

That Eddie Guardado/Tim Leyland incident was pretty funny.

wut

Snowman1025 - July 28, 2009 reply

Eddie Guardado..

..Threw behind the batter and Jim Leyland started mouthing off to him and Eddie looked at him and started yelling and making that “yap yap yap” hand gesture.

I love him and always will.

Watching Buehrle tonight, _again_,

Watching Ichiro get the walk off,
Watching the team celebrate and the fans at Safeco get into it,
Watching the rumors swirl as trade deadline approaches,
Watching as everyone sits and waits to unwrap what Z has in store for us,
Man, I love baseball! And we’re not even in contention anymore!

So since we've got a while

Why is Escobar rated so much higher as a prospect than Brignac? I understand Escobar is an elite defender while Brignac is merely very good. Escobar is a year younger, but their offensive statistics are similar. Is it simply Escobar’s stolen base potential that puts him over the top? Or do scouts just see something in his offensive development that will make him a star?

Being an elite defender is huge and from what I understand Escobar has plenty of potential at the plate

Especially at shortstop.

Slow Country - July 28, 2009 reply

Doesn't Escobar also have great speed?

gregrabble - July 28, 2009 reply

Because he is black?

Slow Country - July 28, 2009 reply

Hispanic, but let's not split hairs.

Yes.

From what I can tell…

Brignac-good speed, great defense
Escobar-great speed, elite defense

I suppose that’s what separates them, I just wouldn’t expect one to be untouchable and the other one obtainable.

Brignac's not really a great shortstop

Could Escobar be the next Betancourt?

No, his body type is so skinny. He will never grow into Betancourt's size.

Yeah Yuni was a lardass when he came over

Bartlett is a lot better than Hardy.

And around for longer.

I still can't believe Jason Bartlett was acquired for his defense and all of a sudden the Rays got that magnificent offense too.

That happened to us too though.

Love the Gutz!

No but he's got great blow.

I think you answered your own question

Hes a better defender. Hes a year younger.

I read somewhere (Prospect Insider?) that Brignac could have a higher offensive ceiling.

Interesting. I’d take either one.

AtomicGarden - July 28, 2009 reply

I was surprised at how gung-ho Churchill was about Brignac - he'd rather have him than Escobar.

I would gladly take either.

Brignac probably has the offensive edge, but let’s not overlook how important a good defender at shortstop can be. Escobar gives me a boner.

Nomar, A-Rod, and Jeter all seemed to change the national perception of what a shortstop is supposed to be offensively.

Before that, it seems that shortstop and offense never went in the same sentence, you took what you could get. And guys like Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel are hall of famers for a reason.

I think this is more of a fair-weather baseball fans point of view.

Still accurate though.

I just don't think as many people cared if a shortstop hit .250 with no power in 1981.

Part of how the game has changed.

Right about the time Cal Ripken came up

I’ve always heard his name come up as the prototype big SS, when this kind of conversation comes around. He’s really tall. And he has really dreamy blue eyes.

Picturing him as Andrus makes me biased

I KNOW

GOD I'M SO EXCITED

Enjoy yourself.

Wilder. - July 28, 2009 reply

He looks like he's lying under someone, looking in vain to escape.

HARRYP09 - July 28, 2009 reply

Why does he look so dirty?

He is a Latino

.

Hey hey, don't be a bigot

he could also be black.

Blacspanic.

Hispanig.

I feel dirty.

Puerto Rican

Fogelly

Yum.

Going over their FanGraphs and Cube stats and some BA reports, Alcides Escobar's ceiling seems to be similar to Yunel Escobar's.

On another note, holy crap I can’t believe the Braves ever even let rumors swirl that they were trading Yunel Escobar earlier this month (Bobby Cox fed up with his head-case-ness, etc.). That would’ve been absolutely insane.

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2009/07/28/jeff_clement_removed_from_rainiers_game_

New Info: "I don't think we're selling, I think we're going out to get somebody."

From Divish, However, I talked with a player, who seemed pretty certain that a deal would be announced tomorrow. And that player, said, “I don’t think we’re selling, I think we’re going out to get somebody.”

Player won't know anything so I wouldn't put much stock in this

If that player is Ichiro, then I think he would know something.

Thank you for your input

It's probably just Griffey fucking with everyone.

He's part of the problem, so I don't think Jack Z will tell him anything.

Awesome!

STOP COMMENTING OUT OF YOUR ASS ABOUT EVERYTHING JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

At least mix up the orifice you use once in a while.

Are you experiencing a case of the crazies?

OK, I am banning myself, enjoy.

Thank the lord

~

Awesome.

Wilder. - July 28, 2009 reply

Arsenic and Old Lace? He looks too old for that one, what is this?

God hell if I know I just find these things.

Better than the one I was looking at, stitched lips. Really gross

I'd say His girl friday.

A must-see.

It is, in fact, His Girl Friday.

I thought that was Walter Burns.

“Oh, Walter.”

Perfection

Umpires should do this.

Where "info" is anonymous player very likely talking out his ass...

Getting a good shortstop is getting somebody.

rtang - July 28, 2009 reply

A player probably thinks

“We’re giving up a prospect, therefore, we must not be selling.”

That being said, I’d be surprised if this isn’t a package deal.

I agree.

Why trade just Clement unless it was a strictly need-for-need type swap but you’d still be expecting to get a young shortstop or pitcher maybe with lots of club control remaining. But not for a major league vet. It would make more sense if he was to sweeten a deal on a return for Washburn.

Getting a major league qualtiy shortstop that we can have for several years is both.

You have to sell to receive!

So uh Jarrod Washburn is still a Mariner.

Slurvey - July 28, 2009 reply

I'm shocked and a little annoyed too.

Still have 3 more days to trade him. Why the rush?

A ton of reasons for christ's sake

Huh?

I’d hold on to Washburn as long as possible. Let Lee and Halladay get traded and all of a sudden he becomes the “jewel”.

Except then when one or both of them don't get traded oh fuck our asses.

Then were in the exact same position

we are now.

Except for no trades allowed anymore.

I think Jack probably has told other clubs that Washburn is a fine plan B.

So he’ll get the call on Thursday night and I don’t think we’ll be left holding the bag. If anything it’ll help us land a sweeter deal.

I agree with this.

Also, you have to talk to many teams, and Z only recently decided to shop him. It could take a few days to even get all the offers on the table.

That's what we're doing

When the diamond rings are gone, you don't get excited about Cubitz Zirconia

Slightly more rare than glass

Cubitz, of course, being the Cubic Zirconia you get in Chinatown

No...

just no. Diamonds and cubic zirconias are effectively unlimited. They are expensive because they are rare, yes, but you can always find another one. Not so with starting pitching.

Not true.

People can make a lot of babies.

No...

just no. There are 6 billion people in this world, and every one can be a starting pitcher if you don’t care about the quality of their pitches.

Double amputees?

Paraplegics?

Stephen Hawking?

Horacio Ramirez?

Oh you.

If they legalize the spitball, he'll be fine.

Throw with their feet, mouth....

No where in the rulebook does it say you have to throw with your hands.

It doesn't?

But you do care...

I cant even tell if youre serious or not.

Take a deep breath, and count to 10 before you make your next comment

gregrabble - July 28, 2009 reply

Always best to get things done as soon as possible, Also, It's a good thing GMZ doesn't procrastinate with Lookout Landing.

Or you could think for two seconds before posting

That would help answer about 3/4ths of your questions

manifestus - July 28, 2009 reply

Gosh I hope we're trading for Hanley

Clement for Pujols, straight up.

There's no way the Cardinals make that trade

Pujols is the face of the franchise and they like Molina too much

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Molina being there.

It’s probably Clement for Fielder.

No way he displaces Griffey at DH

Griffey clearly moves to left field in this scenario.

Center.

This is gonna be a real let down when it's Clement+ for Jack Wilson (or something like that).

I don't think we'd do that

I'm ever pessimistic.

Just went over to Komo 4 news...

and it appears it was really hot today.

Geeves72 - July 28, 2009 reply

There is an off-topic post on the sidebar for this type of thing and also no fucking shit

We've got to trade Wlad at some point too

Wonder if he could be involved

calim - July 28, 2009 reply

I bet the Nationals are calling

manifestus - July 28, 2009 reply

Didn't the Nyjer Morgan deal make it clear?

The Nats aren’t loading up on outfielders that can’t catch any more. Rizzo seems to actually have a clue for a guy who fell backwards into the job.

short - July 28, 2009 reply

SNELL!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!! WANT SO BAD!!!!

DOUBLE PLEASE!

I predict this will be an annoying-ass thread to catch up on in the morning

No trades will happen and you will only have missed 200 comments of people bitching at each other

and rosterbating.

The MLB trading deadline is the most exciting and most bullshit time of year.

Winter meetings, because you have more possible buyers.

And there's none of that baseball game crap to mess it up.

Perhaps some gifs will liven it up

It's not already?

I have been around for all of it so far

I just buzzed it. It's pretty easy to figure out with subthreads to ignore

So wait a minute

is everybody assuming that a deal was worked out during the first three innings or the Rainiers’ game? Because if there’s a nearly agreed upon deal, Clement does not need to start, god knows there are enough guys ready to take his place. Or did the Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Rangers and Tigers have a scout at the game and needed to see him hit a double?

Probably not worked out

but if a deal was being seriously discussed, I’d pull the guy from the game to make sure he doesn’t hurt himself again.

I get how you can be an LAA fan and hang out in the gamethreads

but the fact that you’re in this thread as long as you apparently have been makes you signature hilarious

He collects figurines, giant Hummel collection. It's fabulous

Laughing out loud

it’s not chatspeak if I know how to spell laughing, right?

No, it's just LLLJ instead

Dammit there are too many rules here for a board

It isn't a board.

This is the comment section of a blog.

Dude...

I don't even know why I'm still hanging out, slim chance of a midnight announcement I guess.

Pretty slim chance. Cracking wise wears kind of thin

Because it is too hot to sleep.

CRACKING WISE NEVER WEARS THIN

I COULD EASILY PROVE YOU WRONG

TRY ME, CRANKYPANTS

Bedard is 8 inches of limp dick.

Impressive as hell, but it’s limp.

Holy shit it feels good to unload that wise crack

Well now I'm just confused.

And what the hell are you confused about?

It’s 8 inches of cock!

But you can't pitch with limp cock.

Captain Literal, commander of A troop of the Literal Brigade!

Hey, I know. Move down range and draw fire!

Well now I'm just confused.

Actually I really like Bedard, and had ridiculous hopes for Bedard/Felix/Morrow

Felix has performed up to my ridiculous expectations, the other two not so much.

I wan't to ask Bedards curve to summer ball. But I'll know it'll stand me up.

You could lay waste to cities with 8 inches of dick

Choke a horse! But no, it just lays there limp. Mocking you with it’s very existence, unable to perform

Kermit Wilson, you shut up right now.

And flag'd

Figures. That's why I've been sitting on that wise crack for so long

Stupid abender and his dares

Kidding. I ate it up.

Mostly I didn't want to hurt rc's feelings

I like that.

Because there isn't enough speculation already

I believe I just heard ESPN tease their commercial break with Lowrie for 3 Mariners.

Don’t hate me when I’m horribley wrong please.

Nate Dogg - July 28, 2009 reply

The best thing would be if they somehow traded Griffey.

And then watch Boston go back to juggling 2 DHs

Nate Dogg - July 28, 2009 reply

I just never saw much I liked in Jed Lowrie.

We’ve toiled through Jeff Clement long enough to see him succeed in Boston.

"to have to see him succeed in Boston"*

This would be sad, to see the Sox Nation flock Safeco as usual, but this time in their newly minted Clement T-shirts and Jerseys

And probably not know where he came from.

Well I guess if you don't like Jed Lowrie that's good enough.

Hey guys, Kenny Knows Sports from LookoutLanding doesn’t like Jed Lowrie. I know it’s a crazy good deal for us, we’re only giving up Shawn Kelley, but fuck it, call the deal off.

I would actually be kind of sad if they traded Shawn Kelley

Why?

Because Shawn Kelley is awesome?

Why is Shawn Kelley awesome?

3-page essay please.

Throws strikes, something that no one else in the bullpen does.

MFAN - July 28, 2009 reply

He's been a well above average pitcher his entire minor league career

Throws the ball fast

Throws the ball over the plate
Throws the ball fast and over the plate in a way that batters don’t like

Here's hoping that he doesn't become the next Mark Lowe.

This is the most underrated characteristic of pitching.

Hmm.

1. Knows how to throw ball.
1a. Uses arm to throw ball rather than head or other extremity.
2. Throws regulation baseball.
3. Throws laterally, rather than straight up or straight down.
3a. Throws in the general vicinity of the batter, rather than at fans/third base ump/etc.

Pitching has many underrated characteristics.

Giving pitches a cool, scary name like the Dolphin.

Nothing's scarier than a dolphin.

Anteater

Possum

Bumble bee

Broken condom?

Leave your origins out of this.

Depending on the person, the scary can vary

Burned.

Much like what happens when a condom breaks!

Agreed. That was the scariest spring break I've ever experienced.

Dolphins like fishsticks.

Mice

Silastic Armourfiends of Striterax

Giant Japanese hornets.

He likes Shawn Kelley.

I went to a game at Fenway last year and Lowrie hit two doubles. Best player EVER. Trade the farm for him.

It's the 3 for 1 deal as teased above that I was not keen on.

And I feel like any Boston or New York farm product gets over-hyped just like the major league teams players do. So I'm always skeptical.

Varitek v2.0?

Pics or didn't happen.

Does that make any sense at all?

They need a shortstop as well, I thought.

It doesn't

Thought so

only way we can deal with Boston is if it’s a three way, it seems.

Theo Epstein is into the freaky shit

He's into gorilla costumes.

As long as whatever trade occurs nets Mike Sweeney a golden retriever puppy, I'm happy

To make him feel better about getting DFA'd.

Humongo - July 28, 2009 reply

They have bad backs!

Mike Sweeney IS a golden retriever puppy.

Hey sweeney is our new first base coach.... maybe?

we can put a little pen near the tarp so he can also play with the dog and babysit the other players kids

Whoopetydoo - July 29, 2009 reply

CHURCHILL

says Clement was traded in an approximately five-player deal, and it doesn’t look like Jack Z is selling.

We’ll see…

Oh we're so fucked

Is it a three way?

So you don't trust Zdureincik yet, eh?

Yeah that's what he meant all right

Yes. How. Did. tait644. Know?

Approximately?

I wonder where he gets this number from. Did someone tell him it was between 4 and 6 players?

That's my word.

He says “as many as” five players.

It's four players

a torso, one arm and two legs but both are left. Head tbnl.

"Oh hey, Jason, Clement's been traded. All we know was that it was between one and 12 players. Just say some random

number and we’ll be okay!"

Sigh...

We also know that there will be players leaving the Mariners and players coming into the Mariners

That second part is speculation.

Ew.

Bahahaha.

Hey, that was pretty clever. Good job.

It works mainly because I was not expecting it from him.

I've read enough of Stephen King's books to know the other way that that word can be used.

Precisely.

Coach!

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/27/964683/series-preview-toronto-blue-jays#18765698

.

What does that mean, Jack Z is not selling?

I don’t get that.

And who's to say that with this move he may be buying

in order to sell someone else off later?

Link please.

Just check the comments in Churchill's lastest thread.

http://prospectinsider.com/view/clement-pulled-in-3rd-inning?PHPSESSID=841f03cf85c74ec29721abf797d67e6f#comments

Pretty sure this is it

Karma Police - July 28, 2009 reply

FAIL

Karma Police - July 28, 2009 reply

HAHAHAH

Prospect insider exclusive

.

Rule of thumb,

if Churchill reports/relays/talks/whatever about it, leave it on his site.

by Matthew on Jul 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

Jeff is going to be so disappointed.

I'm here and inclined to believe that Churchill is on to something here

This is one instance where I'd tend to trust his source

He may report every little piece of crap his source rumors to happen, but at this time we have other information to support his claim, so his source may very well be correct

I will not confirm his details from from what I am hearing he has the right idea

Can you tell us if we'll be happy or sad?

MFAN - July 28, 2009 reply

What color eyes does the guy we're getting have?

DAMellen - July 28, 2009 reply

Racist! (kind of)

Karma Police - July 28, 2009 reply

Mostly white.

Figures.

Leave it to us to pick some Goth kid wastoid.

That's what I like to hear

But if we are not selling I might be sad.

Let me make one thing clear:

Outside of Clement and one other Mariner minor league who you will probably not miss, nobody has any names right now. Nobody. Anything you hear is just speculation. All we can say is that we’re trading Clement and at least one other guy.

OH GOD JAMIE BURKE IS FINALLY LEAVING

Aw, he was the little engine that could.

That would make me verrry sad

CLEMENT AND LAHAIR FOR LOWRIE, BUCHHOLZ AND LESTER

WOW JACK Z IS A GENIUS!!

Well since this is clearly out in the open and confirmed by non-Churchill sources...

I’m also supposed to love this trade FWIW.

But, yeah, here’s the lowdown as best as I can decipher:

It’s pretty clear Clement + at least one other minor-leaguer is involved.
Since it’s minor leaguers and not (as is known right now) anyone on the M’s MLB roster, it appears to be more of a “buy” move than a “sell” move.
Baker wouldn’t be surprised if Morrow’s involved.
The players we get in return should fit the mold of what Jack’s traded for thus far and it doesn’t sound likee rentals. I.E. younger guys with some MLB experience but under team control for at least a little while longer.

The rest of the details are pretty well concealed.

It’ll likely shock the hell out of all of us…

Is there any confirmation as to who the other team might be? Is it really Boston and if not which contending team is really in need of a Jeff Clement?

Its harder to tell because Jeff Clement can not play so many positions.

Graham would tell you otherwise.

Or not (m)any positions at all

calim - July 29, 2009 reply

I don't see what position players Boston has that we would want that fit that mold

Unless it is Lowrie, but that doesn’t make sense for Boston. If it’s Boston, I’d almost certainly guess it’s pitching

Im going to count Buchholz before I go to sleep tonight.

Clay, Taylor, done.

abender20 - July 29, 2009 reply

-Taylor, -Clay, 0

I know as much as y'all know...

No

There is no good idea of who the other team might be.

It is definitely one of the other 29 MLB teams.

Unless you can trade with NPB teams now.

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS JUST GOT DARVISH

Ha ha...that'd be neato.

SethGrandpa - July 29, 2009 reply

I have zero knowledge as to the validity of JAC's latest rumor

Okay, but how not selling are we?

It’s not like we’re bringing in a rent a player or something, right?

DAMellen - July 28, 2009 reply

From the Churchill wagon

“I have heard it is Jeff Clement and Brandon Morrow for Scott Kazmir.”

Wagon?

(Churchill)

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO PLEASE NO

Agreed

Rick Peterson says he can fix Scott Kazmir in ten minutes.

Can he fix his contract?

If he goes back to being good Kazmir his contract is aces.

I think it’s well within the realm of possibility that he does.

Also couldn't Safeco Field help him as well?

Yes.

Although the Mariners defense isn’t as good as Tampa’s

Could it be pretty close if the M's got Escobar, hypthetically, and Beltre comes back?

And Bedard is fixed!

And Griffey hits like 50 bombs.

That helps their defense?

BQueezy - July 29, 2009 reply

Sorry

Spaced. I glanced at the “pretty close” and assumed the discussion was about the Ms possibly getting back into competing for the AL West.

Yeah but that's a massive hypothetical if Morrow and Clement are going to Tampa/Cle/Wherever

And I mean massive as in there is no way we get Escobar if Morrow and Clement are going to Tampa/Cle/Wherever

Hopefully in that case Brignac would be the consolation.

Come on, tell me you get the reference.

Seriously, it's one of the greatest laugh lines in the past 10 years of baseball.

I want to know!

I’m very curious.

Jim Duquette traded a young prospect named Scott Kazmir to the Rays for Victor Zambrano.

Zambrano had been terrible before, was terrible at the time, and would be even worse in the future. Kazmir was, of course, perceived even then to be the future star he would later become. But Duquette pulled the trigger in large part because the Mets’ pitching Rick Peterson famously assured him that “I can fix Zambrano in ten minutes.”

Thus was the worst trade in the last 30 years of Mets history commenced.

Keep in mind that we were laughed at for offering Freddy Garcia for Kazmir too

Freddy Garcia was Cy Young compared to Victor Zambrano

HA!

Never, EVER, listen to coaches.

I feel like I also remember reading that the Mets didn't think of Kazmir as anything more than a number 5 starter, even if most scouts disagreed.

Im just complaining about the contract while I have a chance.

This deal would be amazing for the Rays.

The Mets knew he was going to blow up in 2009

That’s why they traded Victor Fucking Zambrano for him

Suddenly they look smart

Minyana is known for his intelligence.

Which is why Zduriencik chose him to make his first major trade with.

What about Jim Duquette?

Although Omar is the dumbest GM in baseball (non-Dayton division), that trade was done under the auspices of Jim Duquette.

Coletti?

His in-season moves last year were pretty damn sharp -- it seems he might have just needed McCourt to give him the monetary clampdown

And as dumb as many of his moves have been, it’s hard to argue with the team’s record over this season and the last.

The White Sox beat the Astros in the World Series

I would submit that Kenny Williams is one of the more chronically underrated GMs in baseball.

He is sometimes good and sometimes bad.

He’s like a less extreme Sabean

Now if only the same thing would happen to Tillman.

Doubtful.

Saturday it was those guys for Kazmir + Brignac so I'm guessing this is outdated and misinterpreted info.

That's what I'm hoping

That would be a really fucking stupid trade if we did that

I wouldn't say "really fucking stupid"

it’s not indefensible. But for a Z move it would be pretty bad.

I'd barely consider it a good trade to do Morrow for Kazmir straight up

Throw in Clement and it’s absurdity

Well Clement has very little value

To us at least

Clements not having a bad year is he? I know he's inconsistent but this is nothing new.

And isn’t it common for hitters like a Jeff Clement to not truly blossom until their mid-to-late twenties? The high power/high strikeout guys?

Clement is 26

After 4 years (I think) in a major college, I expect the blooming to come quick.

I know, thats why I added the "to-late" to cover my tracks.

If we didn't sign Griffey, we would've seen Clement in the majors already this season and who knows what he may have been able to do.

I don’t think its fair to give up on him now.

Clement was awful last year

Sorry Graham

I like Jeffrey too, but we've got enough first basemen.

He just cant catch. He literally can’t. It hurts the poor lad.

Doesn't do Rob Johnson any harm.

Actually, I think about of my posts are slagging off RJ. I'll try to hold off

but he makes it so damn to do so.

*about half of.

We still need a DH...

DHs are cheap and if he nets us a good player in return, see ya later

But it's so hard to find good ones!

Just ask everyone since Edgar!

In my opinion, there shouldn't be a guy whos is your 'real DH'

Just someone good at hitting that is blocked on the field by someone better. I know that’s a bit much to expect, but I hate the idea of keeping someone around JUST to pick up a bat.

Well I definitely wouldn't say that about Jeff Clement, because his bat hasn't been great.

But there are definitely players who are much more valuable when they only DH and are worth keeping around, ie David Ortiz, Jim Thome, etc.

But those are guys with A+ bats. Also, Liabilties in the field.

Definitely agree. Like I said, I don't liken Clement to those guys, just making the point that sometimes you do have a guy in the system as your future DH for all of those reasons.

Morrow and Clement for Kazmir would be really, really, really, unbelievably fucking stupid

This just has to be based on perceived value.

Because the real value of Clement and Morrow is, IMO, pretty negligible.

I would bet good money that neither will ever amount to much of anything. Of course we should be able to get more for them than a Kaz who is breaking down and costs too much for only 1.4 years of team control.

It seems to me that it wasn't long ago we were all praising Morrows swinging strike rate as a reason to believe that once he can go 6 innings or more, he'll be a very good starter.

There’s still juice to be squeezed out of this lemon.

Morrow is a valuable commodity and Kazmir has been awful

And has a pretty solid history of getting injured in pitching areas of his body.

abender20 - July 29, 2009 reply

I disagree as to the degree of the stupidity, but it's a moot point.

This is a Bavasi move.

I'm assuming this is old BS too.

Heydude - July 29, 2009 reply

This would be hilarious.

Also, playing at the Trop will do wonders for Clement's knees.

I like the notion of Kazmir when his name came after 'Reid Brignac and'

but alone? Fuck no.

and... from Churchill again

“Actually guys, I believe the site has been fooled. I did not post the above comment, No. 40.

I have NOT heard that.

All I know is that Clement was traded, and at least one, possibly two or three other minor leaguers are involved and that it could be a three-way deal.
"

I'm tired of this shit.

I just read that too

and breathed a huge sigh of relief.

Good then

Now let’s all settle down until tomorrow.

Gotta admit, this is pretty damn fun.

Even the trolling is amusing.

This is a hacked comment.

Hacked or one of those things where someone put

Jason A Churchili as the name with a capital “i”.

As long as the hacker doesn’t do anything else malicious, it’s kind of harmless. But I don’t really care for someone hacking Churchill’s account. That’s just not cool.

Problem should be mitigated now...

AFAIK his account hasn’t been hacked.

But yeah, as you can tell by how quickly that comment made it over here and exploded into discussion, it’s more than “harmless.”

In fact, it’s probably a criminal act, posing as Churchill when he’s a credentialed member of the media.

I like how Churchill then says "There will not be any details until tomorrow. Go to sleep."

Just totally shuts everyone down.

I could have made up that rumour

Speaking of trades

What is it about Erick Aybar that I don’t understand? Why would the Angels be so reluctant to trade Aybar, Saunders, Wood, and another player for Roy Halladay? Woods value has only declined over the past two years, and you upgrade from Joe Saunders to at least 1.5 seasons of Roy Halladay. So I’m assuming Aybar is the sticking point. Wouldn’t you want Roy Halladay though and just run away with the west again and possibly in 2010?

Sorry to bring all this up, damn trading deadline it drives me insane.

GOD

Eyebrows, you don't have to get offended. I came from a point of ignorance on Erick Aybar already, you can just state why he's that good.

Or you could maybe just look up some stats.

And it’s not just about Aybar. It’s about marginal wins of Roy Halladay and team control and pre-arb years and a lot of things.

Im just of the opinion that the proposed Angels deal that LA shut down was not as good as the proposed deal from Philly.

Roy Halladay is a special pitcher and I don’t see a future superstar in that group.

He also makes a lot of money.

Wood can still pull it together.

And three young cheap players are definitely valuable assets, especially since Halladay won’t add that much more value to the Angels over the course of this year. Yes, there is another year as well – I know.

I think the Angels have great prospects on the farm in order to get a Roy Halladay

I just don’t think they’re including any of them in a deal like this. And since Saunders, Wood and Aybar have already started their “service time” it doesn’t seem as sweet as a deal from Philly when many of them are still in the minors.

Their farm system isn't very good.

To be fair, the report said it was Joe Saunders OR Jered Weaver.

Were I the Angels I don't think I'd take that deal so I hope the Angels take that deal.

Aybar is really fucking good and really fucking cheap

This too, baffles me

I’d much rather take Boston’s or Philly’s packages.

I guess if you don't understand baseball you will not understand this.

He's not Kenny Knows Baseball

Do we even know for a fact that he's Kenny? He might just be complimenting a friend or something

gregrabble - July 28, 2009 reply

Because scrappy players provide the most valuable boost?

Don't want to be the 15,000,000 person to say this, but this is exciting.

You are exactly the third person to use the word exciting in this thread.

One was about the trade deadline being exciting, one was about this not being exciting.

So you are maybe the second person to say this.

POST LESS FREQUENTLY

MAKE IT COOL ENOUGH TO SLEEP

Gutz naked.

Wooops. Thats the opposite.

Woodword naked.

Humongo - July 28, 2009 reply

Shelton O_O

Silva?

This isn't USSMariner

AM I DOING I RIGHT NOW

It's your own damn fault for putting up this thread.

For chrissake.

Jeff isn't Asian

Obviously

Asians aren’t creative. They do math.

Are you kidding.

They made the Prius.

False. That was technology reverse-engineered from the crash at Roswell.

It only took 60 years to figure it all out.

It took a lot longer than that

to realize the earth wasn’t flat soo…….

No, it's like in Men in Black.

They just sit on it and license the technologies one at a time to make the development cycle seem normal.

But Jeff Goldblum is only in his 50s

Actually.

He is dead.

That was hilarious.

So he's the Australian one?

You just need to work out a deal where you get paid by the comment.

Corcommision!

Corcommission!

You know it hasn't taken effect yet right?

Nobody said double posts wouldn't be paid at the same flat rate.

I made a typo in the first one

It was a Corcomission

Rec'd for quick thinking.

That's a Corco-mission actually

No, it's Corc-omission.

Well, I've been Corcowned

He'd be even richer than Kos if that deal was worked out on SBNation.

We’d make sure of that. Corco too.

Let's speculate as to the deal

I say he goes to Philly with Washburn for Rollins, Drabek, and Myeers

What a world that would be.

It would be great because Myers fills that gap that Julio Mateo has left in our franchise's wife-beating portfolio.

nice...actually made me laugh out loud

mwalter - July 29, 2009 reply

Washburn for Moyer, straight up.

Or you can just reunite Washburn with his best buddy

John “Double Chin and Mole” Lackey!

OceanBird - July 29, 2009 reply

HAPPY LACKEY

He's like Tiny Tim's athletic brother

Clement and Lahair for Wilson and Snell

Oh, wait, you weren’t serious?

CapSea - July 29, 2009 reply

I really hope this trade is for pitching

Because God knows we need starters

As stupid as it sounds, this stolen moment in time where we KNOW Clement is gonebabygone, but still don't know what's coming back, is pretty exciting.

I suppose that’s all we have left to cling onto this season.

I will note that the goddamned motherfucking Angels came back from behind to win yet again tonight.

You put the coin in, and pulled the lever

now you just gotta hope for those three fucking cherries.

I know that Clement is getting to be too old to be a prospect anymore. I know that he has struggled to hit at the major league level.

But I still cant give up hope and I pray we really get something back for him. Maybe the Nats will have mercy on us for that draft and we’ll get Ryan Zimmerman. Or the Rockies will have mercy and we’ll get Troy Tulowitzki. Or the Brewers will have…. oh this would take forever.

Yo dudes what's with all the commotion?

Robert - July 29, 2009 reply

Griffey homered

God you're lazy

I mean he is the face of the franchise.

The one true Mariner.

Show some respect.

I thought Alvin Davis was Mr. Mariner.

No homers since July 1st!

Friendly service reminder...

In case people are trying to regurgitate a comment left at ProspectInsider as something Jason said, it’s not true.

Someone created a bogus username that on screen LOOKS like Jason’s, but it isn’t. The comment “I’m hearing Morrow + Clement for Kazmir” comes from “Jason Churchili” NOT Jason Churchill…

Yeah, it fooled me, too…

I bet it was that sneaky _Jeff

JeffS.

MFAN - July 29, 2009 reply

No no.

There was a time that SBN allowed a space as an initial character. So someone created the screenname [space]Jeff

Hahah spaceJeff. I am tired.

Jon Garland

ThundaPC - July 29, 2009 reply

But the other one is, right?

Coach Owens - July 29, 2009 reply

Yep.

News travels fast on the intertubes, so fortunately I happened to be paying real close attention to the page and have admin privileges, so I tracked it down quickly…

We’re working to make sure it doesn’t happen again…

Looks like he's still posting there and confusing people

I don’t envy you.

hee hee hee

I don’t know who did that, but good show. That got everybody.

Pessimistic Optimist - July 29, 2009 reply

Thats kind of annoying.

Some people honestly do the weirdest things with their time.

I was trying to sleep for the past hour but had to come back and get my Jeff Clement rumor fix.

Oh c'mon.

It was a perfect troll. It had us all bunched up in our anxieties.

The fear of not knowing.
The fear that things really haven’t changed, and that even Jack Z might fuck up.
The fear of really being buyers instead of being sellers and buyers at the same time.

I nearly crapped my pants when I read it. It played to every single gut wrenching feeling we’ve been having since we heard Jeff was taken out of the game. It worked magic.

Now laugh at it. Laugh at yourself for being spooked. It’s fun. Break the tension and relax.

All good points and I mostly agree.

But on the other hand, look at the speed with which the Fake Churchill’s “scoop” has traveled. Shit like that can get out of hand quickly.

Yeah. I know.

But that’s part of where we need to laugh at ourselves. Who spread it around? We did. We’re so information hungry that we wanted to know and wanted to tell everybody else as fast as possible. In the end, it’s all bogus, so does it really end up hurting anybody?

I think what makes it work so much better than the MLBTraderumor.com fucker posting on Jed Lowrie is that this one was at least somewhat close to believable initially. We were ready and willing to possibly accept that we’d screwed up. Thankfully, we started questioning it soon afterward. Our logical minds won out in the end.

Still, yeah, it’s kind of mean. Fun, but mean. And if it was really Jason’s account hacked, well that just sucks.

:(

Latest Little Rumor on Prospect Insider...

Clement and Morrow to Cleveland, Lee to Tampa, Kazmir and Brignac to Seattle.

The only part I can’t get my head around is what’s in it for Cleveland? They seem to know better than that.

This isn't a new rumor at all.

It’s been around since early Saturday morning and thought to be largely dead by Saturday night.

My bad, don't mean to bring up old news.

In my defense, Churchill just acknowledged it by saying its still very possible.

Hasn't that rumour been around for a while now?

It's the same trade from the other day, only this one doesn't have Martinez going to Tampa Bay.

Heydude - July 29, 2009 reply

It still makes sense balance-wise, as well as fitting within the "5 player" rubric.

Lee AND Martinez to Tampa was originally part of this rumor, and that just didn’t make any sense as the two of them were far too much to give up for the return of Clement and Morrow, no matter how much $$$ or low-level prospects were kicked in.

Obviously, it’s all speculation, but I think this could be the one. I’d LIKE it to be the one, at least.

I guess theres no chance that Brignac was pulled mid-game?

That would make this a lot easier.

If Martinez were included the Rays would be giving them Davis and likely moving Pena.

Even with Wade Davis...

Martinez AND Lee for Davis, Morrow, and Clement? I would hope they’d get a better package than that. That’s not exaclty Sizemore, Lee, Philips.

It's not, but teams don't make those trades anymore.

The joke here is too easy.

Bavasi was fired

Z's trade with the Mets was a fleecing.

But there was more than one player given up.

The Mets probably aren't too broken up about it honestly.

That's only because the Mets are currently broken.

The whole Bernazard/Minaya/Rubin debacle has been so awesome I WANT TO DIP MY BALLS IN IT.

That was awesome

Mark Texiera, Erik Bedard...

Those were only for ONE player. We’re talking about the reigning Cy Young (and you can make of that what you want, I know that’s what the Indians are selling) and Victor Martinez.. they should be able to get at least 3 superb prospects in my opinion and Morrow and Clement have lost that pedigree. Maybe Wade Davis, Brandon Morrow, and that outfielder prospect on TB whose name just slipped my mind.

but cleveland LIKES our prospects.

They have half a team from us already

Whoopetydoo - July 29, 2009 reply

That's it, I'm catching the next Pimpmobile out of here.

Hopefully something will have happened in the next six hours or so.

Bite! My! Shiny! Metal! Dafodil!

I am going to miss Clement.

I find it interesting that nobody has really expressed remorse or sadness that he's 99% gone.

I'm just sad he never really got a chance.

I mean we have Rob Fucking Johnson doing the catching up here.

Rob Fucking Johnson has knees.

I Lick Squirrels - July 29, 2009 reply

Jeff Clement doesn't have knees?!

Holy shit I’m glad we got rid of him before other GM’s noticed.

He's like the R.A. Dickey of leg joins.

*JOINTS.

FUCK I HATE RUINING MY OWN JOKE.

Esoteric, sorry to go off-topic but I only have to ask this once..

does your name have anything to do with the rapper Esoteric?

Not in the slightest.

While I love the fuck out of music, I can’t stand hip-hop. It’s the only major genre I can’t get int in any way.

Ha, okay.

I’m not even the biggest rap fan, but I know a guy who is touring with him so I had to ask.

You try Lupe?

Look, my favorite band of all time is GENESIS -- progressive-era Genesis.

With Pavement and Radiohead heading up my list of modern acts. You have no idea how unbelievably far away I am from hip-hop, in terms of my musical aesthetic.

Alice in Chains for me

Pearl Jam has to be mine.

Not just because of Ten, because of their versatility and staying power afterwards. In fact, Ten isn’t even my favorite album.

You consider Pavement to be modern?

I Lick Squirrels - July 29, 2009 reply

Which should tell you just how disaffected I am with music of the last decade.

Seriously though, Pavement is and will remain eternally fresh for me….musical greatness like theirs comes along only once every ten years or so.

But we are veering off-topic here.

Whopsie.

Radiohead is my third favorite artist of all time. Lupe Fiasco is second.

Dude, this will change your opinion on hiphop

here. Its a Swedish Hip Hop/swing band. I hate hip hop too, but I can’t get enough of this.

That's some pretty good shit.

Though I’ll admit the language barrier doesn’t cross over as well in rap, in my opinion. and my favorite band of all-time is German, which I don’t speak either.

I would say that I wish I knew what they are saying.

But Ebonics is also a language of its own, so I am not too bothered. I just enjoyed the emceeing and the swing music.

Meh, he didn't have any future at all here.

I Lick Squirrels - July 29, 2009 reply

I couldn't really care less.

I’m more interested in the returns than the costs… my have my thoughts changed since the end of the Bavasi era.

batura - July 29, 2009 reply

it's simply because the mariners have sucked my emotion for him away

I’ve been hearing about Clement forever, but he’s never panned out and has been jerked all over the place. I’m sad he didn’t make it here, but that sadness has been experienced already with him not being a part of the major league team. Clement leaving isn’t really sad because I’ve said goodbye to him already.

mwalter - July 29, 2009 reply

He's pretty much been my favorite prospect since we drafted him

That being said, the good of the team comes before my personal attachments.

Hot damn shit's finally happening!

Well the Clement jersey purchase was a poor decision.

It's ok

Graham owns one as well.

Graham has Doyle, Clement, and Cedeno as far as Mariners jerseys go though.

BrettJMiller - July 29, 2009 reply

What crappy luck with jerseys.

I don’t see why he doesn’t just by a MacAree custom jersey.

I would buy my own customer jersey, but I can just wait until Adam Moore makes the big league squad.

If he bought a MacAree jersey the FO would somehow find a way to trade his analytical skills to the Padres.

You know it would happen.

File this name away as well — Aaron Pribianic of Class A Clinton

Per Divish

I hope he is wrong.

Tell me something about this guy.

Namely, why I would be bothered to see him go?

Here ya go.

Pribanic

Drafted in the third (I believe) round of the 2008 draft. Good pitcher, would be sad to loose him.

Whoops

Proper link

He's been doing really well this year.

But we seem to have a lot of guys like him in the lower minors.

Even still, he's not a non-prospect throw-in.

So if he’s going too, the return better be sweet.

I wouldn't say non-prospect.

He’s not a Quiroz or anything. The man does have a future.

I didn't say non-prospect either, I think he's got potential to pitch in the majors. And as far as I'm concerned, even making it to the majors makes you a big deal.

I read your comment wrong.

I apologize. I read it as he WAS a non-prospect.

Lorin is better, and I guess Cortes is a decent replacement

But I am not thrilled to see him go. Now that is without knowing the return. I may do back flips I don’t know yet.

Yeah, I'd rather give someone else up.

But lower minors starters isn’t exactly something we have a dearth of.

And thank god for that

it seems like forever since we’ve had a good higher-level pitching prospect. Hopefully at least one or two of them will become legitimate prospects.

Well we did have that one guy that will be pitching today.

Some of the nicer things about Pribanic

He has only given up one homer run in 87.0 innings, and he get nearly 3 ground balls for every fly ball. Not sure about his velocity or anything like that, but nice peripherals.

It's settled then. Pribanic will be an All Star.

YES!

No you’ve got it.

So then we did trade him to the Red Sox?

His HR rate screams unsustainable and it could very well make him look better than he really is to another team.

Although good heavens does he ever have a low FB%

Pitching well

didn’t have fantastic upside though. On the Future Forty they had him as a potential 1.50 WAR player. Seems like a decent complimentary piece. Let’s hope we’re getting something good.

The next peson who calls Rob Johnson a bad baseball player will lose my respect.

I have just accepted (with the help of my mariner bias) that Rob Johnson is just as good as Jeff Clement. And that’s considering his health, and uncanny ability to make good pitchers love pitching to him.

I don't know if you noticed.

But his CERA went up in the past few days.

This a joke?

No joke. I like him. Those two reasons arent really my reasons, but more like selling points for myself.

cERA can suck my dick.

Who is this Cera? Can I get her number?

He played "George Michael" on the cult TV show Arrested Development.

He’s also been in some shitty movies playing essentially the same character.

The best awkward actor of our lifetime.

Rob Johnson is a bad baseball player

manifestus - July 29, 2009 reply

We're trading for Roy Halladay aren't we?

Nothing's going to happen tonight, is it?

No. I imagine Jack is asleep.

I bet he is as hot as the rest of us right about now.

I'm gonna set my alarm for 8 AM just so I'm up in time when it becomes official.

And so I can get a few things done before the heat comes back.

If only he had a twitter so we could know.

Two Rs and Two Ls - July 29, 2009 reply

Find his cell number.

I could imagine his Tweeting

GMZMan Too Hot to Sleep!
about 30 minutes ago from TweetDeck

GMZMan @TheeCashMan, @Gillickismymentor, @Melvsterenjoyshisbrew Hey dudes, I totally was kidding, Washburn is available for the right price!
About 15 hours ago from TweetDeck

GMZMan @Hyphen18 Good game buddy, you’ll get’em next time.
about 4 days ago from web

GMZMan @Melvsterenjoyshisbrew DUDE! I have to take you to Pyramid when you come to town! The beer here is so much better!

GMZMan @MooretoLoveinKC Treat Yuni well! Let us know when you are in need for a catcher or 2nd baseman, I would be glad to help!
about 2 weeks ago from web

It seems as though you don't pull a guy unless a deal is done.

So what the hell happened? I give this 50/50 odds of being a way to fuck with the fans.

Speaking prospect wise, I saw someone in the M's Organization who had 72 K's and 3 BB's.

Who was that? Did anyone see that and sorry if this violates something?

Erasmis Ramirez? Is that his name?

Yes, that looks very familiar.

Venezuelan League so take it for what you will.

Still impressive.

No, Im excited to see those numbers.

The last time I got excited about a trade...

I had a nightmare that we unloaded our farm system for Erik Bedard. Good thing it was only a dream.

OceanBird - July 29, 2009 reply

Make sure to pay careful attention to the Orioles game today because its gonna to hurt really fucking bad

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2

Damn right it fucking hurts

Can you believe that those lucky Baltimore fans are going to get plush oriole toys tomorrow? What a fantastic promotion! And all we get are stinkin’ Bobbleheads.

OceanBird - July 29, 2009 reply

New Clement thread