And so we count down until 1pm. I've already prepared myself for continued coexistence with Jarrod Washburn, but I'm still hoping he gets dealt, and as Larry Stone points out, a lot can happen at the 11th hour when teams get desperate. Keep your fingers crossed.
Me, I'll be bouncing around between posting here and participating as a panelist in the BTF Trade Deadline Extravaganza (9am-3pm Pacific). Hopefully tomorrow gives us something to talk about. A man can only tell Eli Whiteside jokes for so long. Did you know Eli Whiteside has a name that sounds like a prospector's name?
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If GMZ really is talking to the Yankees concerning a deal
but Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Austin Jackson, Austin Romine or Jesus Montero are off the table, who else is interesting in their organization?
BrianL - July 30, 2009
I'd like Zach McAllister or Betances
but they’re both a bit far away. Ian Kennedy, but I don’t think Wash would get him.
Fuckmikereilly - July 30, 2009
Ian Kennedy was putting up good numbers this year, yeah?
But he really seemed to fall out of favor last year with his big league performance.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 30, 2009
There's no way in hell Washburn can net Kennedy.
lailaihei - July 30, 2009
They said anyone but those mentioned above so I dont see why not.
russak - July 31, 2009
Because Cashman isn't a fucking idiot.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
He isn't special and was really hyped and didn't live up to it.
russak - July 31, 2009
He has good K rates, low enough walk rates
Just because he was overhyped (sorry for being on the Yankees, bud) and hasn’t translated success to the majors yet doesn’t mean he’s not a valuable pitcher.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Ian Kennedy is to Phil Hughes as Wladimir Balentien is to Adam Jones.
Not that Kennedy will be the absolute suckfest that Balentien was, just that it seems like guys are sometimes over-hyped next to the counter-parts and some scouts want to compare the two and say “well this guy is better than this guy at certain aspects of the game”
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
But to say that he is worth only 2 months of Washburn (and his $4 million+ left on his contract) is ridiculous.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
I thought word was we're probably paying most of Wash's salary.
Especially since the Yankees explicitly don’t want to add to this year’s payroll.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
I'll just say that I don't see any way the M's trade for Ian Kennedy anyhow.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
That seems ridiculous to me.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
That they wouldn't?
I just don’t think they’re trading for a guy on the DL. It wouldn’t be good for the Yankees to sell low on Kennedy now and it wouldn’t make sense for the Mariners to take on an injured player when they could get a healthy one. This whole aneurysm thing is scary to me, sounds worse than just an arm injury.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I don't really know much about aneurysms, and haven't heard anything about arm aneurysms,
but from what I read he seems to be recovering quite well and I don’t see any reason to assume that the injury is any worse than what it’s reported to be. It just seems odd to not see ANY way that the M’s trade for him. One good, healthy prospect and one high-upside but injured at the time young player sounds like an OK haul for Wash at this point.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Its just my opinion that the Yankees wouldn't throw in a healthy, Good player on top of Ian Kennedy, for Jarrod Washburn.
His name has never come up before, I’m just saying it would surprise me.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Oh,
Link
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Yeah, someone else had said before that he was planning on returning this season.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Washburn's value is very small. His contract and performance are about equal, but at this point there is some value there.
That value isn’t worth however many years of team control of Ian Kennedy, who is currently somewhere between .5 and 1.5 WAR/season and would very likely put up at least 7 WAR over 5 more years of team control.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Ordinarily I'd agree, but Kennedy just had a life-threatening injury and still doesn't have a clear timetable about when he can go full speed again.
That makes it at least conceivable for someone of his talent level.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
His name is fitting.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
Incredible observation.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Is that why he is there GM, because his last name is Cashman?
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
...
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Do you actually think I'm serious?
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
I feel like that face results from part bad joke part bad grammar.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
I didn't notice that part,hmm..
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
Maybe tack on an amirite at the end to make it clear.
I honestly thought you were seriously trying to be funny. To be honest, you’ve said some puzzling stuff lately.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
I try to be funny...
It’s nice to keep things fun.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
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M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
Dude buddy
That guy is my relative and I would highly appreciate it if you would knock it off with the anti semetic remarks about him. Thank you.
Robert - July 31, 2009
You are really related to him?
Fin - July 31, 2009
Apparently
Robert - July 31, 2009
You didn't know Robert's a hebe?
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
What
Robert - July 31, 2009
S'ok man
let your dreidle hang out we’re onto you
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
I want some of that Jew Gold.
Fin - July 31, 2009
I know that it is 2009.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
He may have just been omitted because he'd have to be a PTBNL
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Kennedy had an aneurysm in early May, surgery on it, and is currently rehabbing and hoping to pitch before the end of the season and in winter ball.
I talked about it a bit in the Washburn thread.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
McAllister is an interesting name and the Yanks have a couple prospects that have ace potential such as Betances or Brackman but they could flame out as well.
Here’s a top 21 list from john Sickels.
1) Jesus Montero, C, Grade B+: I believe in the bat. Where he fits with the glove I don’t know.
2) Austin Jackson, OF, Grade B: Should be a solid player but not a star. Will that be enough in New York?
3) Dellin Betances, RHP, Grade B-: Very high ceiling, has flashed dominance, can he stay healthy?
4) Austin Romine, C, Grade B-: More likely to stick behind the plate than Montero, though not as good a hitter.
5) Zach McAllister, RHP, Grade B-: A favorite of mine heading into 2008, looks like a strong inning-eater type.
6) Mark Melancon, RHP, Grade B-: Almost ready for major league action, should be good in pen and has closer potential.
7) Jairo Heredia, RHP, Grade B-: Looks like a major sleeper to me, and this is an aggressive ranking.
8) Andrew Brackman, RHP, Grade C+: Yankees propaganda is thick around this guy. Great arm, healthy now, but I don’t buy into the command yet. Want to see evidence.
9) Phil Coke, LHP, Grade C+: I like what he did a lot last year. Should be a very useful pitcher.
10) Alfredo Aceves, RHP, Grade C+: Has reached his ceiling, but like Coke he should be useful
11) Wilkins de la Rosa, LHP, Grade C+: Intriguing power lefty with a fresh arm.
12) Humberto Sanchez, RHP, Grade C+: Another power arm for the pen, command problems still an issue.
13) Jon Albaladejo, RHP, Grade C+: Another solid pen arm if healthy.
14) David Robertson, RHP, Grade C+: Yet another pen arm. ERA should have been closer to 4.00 based on the components. Hasn’t pitched 50 innings yet so he qualifies.
15) Brad Suttle, 3B, Grade C+: Will need to show enough power for third base.
16) Arodys Vizcaino, RHP, Grade C+: Very young, could rank in the top 10 next year if he develops properly.
17) Christian Garcia, RHP, Grade C+: Another promising power arm if healthy.
18) George Kontos, RHP, Grade C+: Will need more consistent command.
19) Kanekoa Texeira, RHP, Grade C+: Power sinker/slider guy acquired in Swisher deal, yet another pen option.
20) Eduardo Sosa, OF, Grade C+: Very high ceiling guy, but need some North American data. Could rank as high as 8 depending on criteria and how much you trust DSL performance.
21) Eric Hacker, RHP, Grade C+: Surprise addition to 40-man roster, nice track record but injury-prone, fifth starter type when healthy.
Thanks for Minor League Ball Feat. John Sickels for the list.
Slurvey - July 30, 2009
I'm really high on Betances.
Fuckmikereilly - July 30, 2009
Is this top 21 now or top 21 pre-season?
I assume pre-season and that many of these names have shifted positions.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 30, 2009
Aye it's a pre-season.
Slurvey - July 30, 2009
Still, with those names removed from the list that are "off-limits" look how far we've come from Washburns value before the year.
It’s almost a blessing that we fucked up trading him last year. That is, if we trade him.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 30, 2009
I wonder if this time last year if he would have netted the same value.
HHZ - July 31, 2009
For reference
on grades, Moore and Saunders were B- on the Mariners list. So yeah, I’d be happy with that as a return for Wash.
Fuckmikereilly - July 30, 2009
If Betances is really available, I wonder what the hold-up is. Maybe the Yanks are asking for more than Washburn in such a case.
But if I were the M’s I’d stand pat. The Yankees seem to really want Jarrod Washburn, make ’em pay.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I'd be so happy with McAllister plus another.
McAllister ain’t dominating but he’s a control freak and doesn’t walk that many people.
Slurvey - July 31, 2009
I always worry about those types.
Because if their control ever goes, even for one start, they can get hammered. I just see Betances as risky but maybe the highest ceiling of anyone we could get for Washburn.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
How is that worse than guys with dynamite stuff and no control?
the Morrow/Daniel Cabrera types seem to hang around a lot less than the Vargas/Moyer types.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
I feel control can be found
while dominating stuff cannot. And exceptional control can be lost easier than dominating stuff.
I like both, for the record. I’d just prefer the potential TOR type. Lots of guys haven’t had control early in their careers.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
That's why I said McAllister and another(Hopefully a pitcher with dynamite stuff)
McAllister has a high chance of making it to the majors and not flame out. I’d also prefer a TOR ceiling type player but they come at the cost of flaming out so having McAllister is a great insurance player.
Slurvey - July 31, 2009
I'd be very happy with that.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
This argument can't possibly be productive
there are no professional baseball players who have no stuff but pinpoint control, and there aren’t any who have tremendous stiff and no control at all. It’s always a combination of the two, and great control can overcome lack of stuff and vice versa. The idea that control can come and go but stuff is always there is provably wrong. How many times have you heard Felix say he didn’t have his change/curve/slider on any given day? Some days they command their pitches better than others. Some days they execute them better.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Sometimes I'm tremendously stiff with no control at all.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Saunders' stock has risen a great deal since then because he had his best OPS this year and cut down his Ks dramatically.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Well whatever
I’d still love a Saunders circa-April 2008.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Err, 2009.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Betances is nicknamed "Baby Unit"
Oddly familiar…
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Not exactly as flattering as "Big Unit" though is it.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I was actually referring to
This guy
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Baby Unit is just kinda wrong
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Downright insulting!
HHZ - July 31, 2009
Without looking, Ryan Anderson? "blank-Unit" for tall pitchers was just about annoying
Almost as bad as -Rod, I’m so happy that didn’t really take off. Probably due to rarity of really tall lanky pitchers, but still
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Little Unit
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Much wronger than Baby Unit, sort of. The Baby is kind of gross
Either way, a nickname that most guys I know don’t want to get stuck with
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Yeah I figured you meant Ryan Anderson, but for either one of those guys, too bad they had to get stuck with that label.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I'm so sorry.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
I'm still hoping Wash goes to the White Sox
because it would be just murder on his numbers.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 30, 2009
Yankees would be pretty bad.
But White Sox defense is probably worse.
Fuckmikereilly - July 30, 2009
Send him to the Jays
-20 UZR in the OF for the Jays so far.
Jack Moore - July 30, 2009
I'm trying to limit the options to teams that might be interested
I mean, we could send him to Orix Blue Wave, where he’d have no choice put to pitch to an asian, but it doesn’t seem likely.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Thank you Vernon Wells
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
only
5 / 100 M (or so) to go!
/face palm .
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
I haven't heard much about what people think of Jarrod Washburn personally. I know what people think of his ability, but is he considered a bad guy?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Racist and pedophile, but other than that he has a good work ethic and cares about winning.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Racist? That's awful.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Yeah, he won't molest colored kids
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Have some dignity Jarrod.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
There's no proof that he is either one of those things.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
I read it on the internet
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
On wikipedia
Fin - July 31, 2009
...and failing that MLBn has seven hours of live coverage
Poochie - July 30, 2009
So... a quick poll
if Washburn stays, does that change your opinion of the front office and if so how much? For my part, I think I will be mildly disappointed, but Jack has a lot of what one might call political capital and can fuck up a few things before I start to really trend in another direction.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
It's pretty inexcusable to keep him, he's worth absolutely 0 to us and the return would be some number greater than 0.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Might not be Z's fault if Washburn doesn't get dealt.
He’s not going to settle for another Robert Manuel.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
I think something has to be said for setting a precedent.
If Z gives up Wash just to get “anything he can” he might be viewed as a pushover.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
That's why he waits until the 11th hour before making a deal.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
I think something has to be said for setting a precedent.
If Z gives up Wash just to get “anything he can” he might be viewed as a pushover.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I don't think he needs to worry about this after walking away from the Joyce deal
only to loot the Mets system
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Well some people started to question their god after the Wilson deal only because it wasn't the absolutely steal that every other trade has appeared to be.
Especially since the Heilman deal is becoming more questionable.
I just think we all want Jack Z to hit a home run on a Washburn deal, not a bloop single.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
That, and he just seems like such an easy guy to hit a home run with.
Just look at that ERA!!!
If only he were a couple years younger, and not so shitty the last few years…
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
The Heilman deal was a good deal that didn't work out.
I don’t think anyone here is thinking worse of GMZ for it.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
It was an okay deal, I don't think many people saw a heavy winner or loser in it.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Disagree.
We gave up Heilman for two players that were each worth Heilman individually. That’s awesome.
DAMellen - July 31, 2009
And the total value of all of 3 of those players is really low.
It was just a nice shock like “wow another good trade after the JJ steal!!”
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Plus, in a way, the Heilman deal got us Wilson and Snell.
Hopefulmsfan - July 31, 2009
Sorry, should've read below.
Hopefulmsfan - July 31, 2009
Fuck mike is right there
you can’t say that was a bad deal because Cedeno sucked and Olson gave up a bunch of homers to the Rangers. We gave them a reliever with a seven figure salary for two former top prospects under club control and plenty of potential left. We lost very little and stood to gain a ton. And it’s not over yet. It was a great trade.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
I'm happy that we got rid of Heilman and that we used Ronny to get Wilson while Ronny did play some good defense.
And it doesn’t hurt to have Olsen in AAA if we can put him back there.
I’m just saying, it was more of a home run looking trade on the day it happened than right now. I’m still more than happy we did it.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Hindsight's 20/20
You make the best deal you possibly can based on what you know at the time and what your best chances of success are. Sometimes things just don’t work out.
MT Olson - July 31, 2009
I just love how "Fuck mike is right" sounds
Decatur - July 31, 2009
I'm seriously considering changing my name
It hasn’t been topical in about 3 years, and other SBN sites don’t like swearing, so it’s a little impractical. But as long as I can still feel anger towards Mike Reilly and umpires in general, I am reluctant.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Eh, you gotta remember where you came from, right?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Also, that wasn't a dig in case it came across that way.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
No, didn't think so.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
NEVER FORGET
YOU DON’T CHANGE YOUR NAME UNTIL THAT SONMABITCH IS IN A SHALLOW GRAVE IN A DOG RUN
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Deals don't really become more questionable over time (maybe a little, but it's probably best to look at the info available at the time)
http://ussmariner.com/2007/03/18/was-a-trade-any-good-and-how-it-relates-to-evaluating-bavasi/
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Foppert/Torrealba for Winn
One of the forgotten decent trades of the Bavasi era.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Aaron Taylor --> Sean Green is probably the best.
PositivePaul - July 31, 2009
It depends how it goes down.
If GMZ decides to keep him because he wants to keep him that’s unacceptable.
However if he keeps him because what he’s getting back sucks well I won’t blame him too much.
Slurvey - July 31, 2009
But if he doesn't get traded, we'll never know why.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
We'll know if he re-signs
at least, I think that’s what Slurvey meant by “keep him because he wants to keep him.”
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Yeah, that's a good point.
But if he signs Jarrod to a very, very, very reasonable deal, I won’t be mad.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
It'd have to be VERY reasonable
we’re strapped for cash, and I’d almost rather throw Olson out there than give money to Washburn that could be given to Beltre or another position player. Or another starter better than Jarrod.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Yup.
The defense is made to make replacement level starters look average. I’d be annoyed with Washburn coming back for anything over $4mm or so.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Someone I was reading today
Put forth the theory that Jack was assembling an amazing defensive team in order to pump up his pitchers’ value. I like to think he planned it.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
I said a few days ago that it almost looked like he was building the Denver Broncos of baseball.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Wooooo
dbroncos31 - July 31, 2009
I don't think there's any doubt that it was at least a consideration.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
But I think the point is that ANY player of ANY value that we get back is gravy
since we’re not contending this year and Washburn’s gone the next. If he can get the other team to pick up Jarrod’s salary, then that’s even better but not strictly necessary. Even a Robert Manuel (although we could certainly get more) would be a net plus.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Yeah and even if he does want to retain Jarrod, he can still re-sign him in the offseason.
I don’t think Washburn would hold any grudges and he’s got reason to come back. Not that that’s what I or we want, but it’s always possible if thats what Jack wants.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Yeah but that little thing called free agency sure can be a bitch.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
It wouldn't be enough on its own to change my opinion of the FO but it would definitely be a disappointment and it would definitely make me more critical.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
I would still love the front office.
But all things considered, if Washburn is still here then this trade deadline is a failure. I mean, we were pumped at the possibility of dealing Bedard, Washburn, and maybe a few others for goodies. There’s a chance we leave here dealing only Jeff Clement and Ronny Cedeno in a significant deal. Yuck.
ThundaPC - July 31, 2009
Disgusted. He's going to eat up a large portion of payroll next year if retained
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Hopefully something happens before the deadline I'm not staying up all night againand find out we didn't get Brignac/Kazmir.
Slurvey - July 31, 2009
We didn't get Brignac/Kazmir.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
That's the point.
Fin - July 31, 2009
Trying to play along - I realize this didn't work.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Only in my dreams... Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Slurvey - July 31, 2009
In my dreams....
we traded Rob Johnson for something shiny and I snapped awake and turned on the radio… and it wasn’t true
greymstreet - July 31, 2009
It sounded so nice as speculation.
Then realized it was merely speculation.
Was it even realistic for us to get Kazmir/Brignac?
HHZ - July 31, 2009
I'm in the "please don't say we traded for Washburn when I wake up" boat right now.
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
Are the people over at Brew Crew Ball not too high on Washburn?
Fin - July 31, 2009
Smart people are generally not so high on Washburn.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
That's not necessarily the problem.
I could see giving up a marginal prospect (or Jeremy Jeffress, who will probably be banned for life within the next 2 years) for Washburn if we weren’t 51-51 and 4 games behind both the Cubs and Cardinals and having just split a series with the Washington fucking Nationals.
We’re not in a position to buy is the point; Washburn would be a huge upgrade for us even despite the fact that he’s not that good.
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
That last sentence was poorly structured.
What I mean to say is that, despite the fact the we could certainly use Washburn, given our current standing I would not want to give up anything of value for him.
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
That's too bad
I think that since Z got the SS he wanted, he probably knows he could get a better haul elsewhere than Milwaukee.
Fin - July 31, 2009
Yeah, that was devastating.
Wilson/Snell just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
FWBrodie - July 31, 2009
It's Olson not Olsen. We have Garret Olson not Scott Olsen.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
Capeesh?(sp)
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
What are you talking about.
(It’s capice.)
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
in this heat a cap of ice sounds good
Whoopetydoo - July 31, 2009
Many people say Olsen instead of Olson and it annoys me.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
No one did this specifically so please try and stay on topic.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
As you wish.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
I say them both the same.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
It's a petty thing to be annoyed about but it still annoys me for some reason.
Like Sexton.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
That is way worse.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Still you get my point.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
You're one of those people who gets angry when someone pronounced bag as "beg," aren't you?
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
That bugs me too actually.
Than and “pellow” and “melk.”
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
That*
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Those are just awful.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
However "melk" people must laugh a lot when they watch Yankees games.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
I knew there was a joke in there somewhere.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Nah. Warshington is pretty sad though.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
Langerhaus?
RunningFool - July 31, 2009
God why
HHZ - July 31, 2009
capisce?
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
Granted it doesn't necessarily mean anything
But the Dodgers pulled a AAA pitcher(Scott Elbert) from his start today and the A’s said they would take a modest prospect for Justin Dueschererererer (sp)
If we were giving away Washburn, what do you realistically expect to get in return?
Whoopetydoo - July 31, 2009
If we were giving him away...
Nothing.
greymstreet - July 31, 2009
Would Wash be equal in worth to say...
AAA pitcher(Scott Elbert) and 2b/3b blake dewitt from the dodgers?
Jake Fox from the cubs?
2 B level guys from the yankee list above?
Whoopetydoo - July 31, 2009
maybe minor prospect and rickie Weeks (as a PTBNL) from Brewers?
Whoopetydoo - July 31, 2009
Washburn + Aardsma + Branyan maybe, for all 4 of those posturings.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Jake Fox or Weeks plus a prospect
Do you really like Jake Fox?
JetSam - July 31, 2009
You take Fox or Weeks straight up for Washburn and you fleeced the Cubs or Brewers
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Would it help that Snell is tossing a bullpen session for Wak and Z
setting him up for a sunday start?( Wash’s day)
Whoopetydoo - July 31, 2009
Really?
Or no?
FWBrodie - July 31, 2009
Yes, that counts as news I guess.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
That is, if it is news.
lailaihei - July 31, 2009
Some input on the Yankee prospects
Ian Kennedy: he’s been on the DL for most of the season , it’s not baseball related though, he had a surgery to remove a aneurysm in his armpit (ouch). the Yankees aren’t that high on him so he’s definately doable. he doesn’t really fit in their long term plans.
Zach Mcallister: he’s velocity went down towards the break and he was DLed after his all star appearance citing arm fatigue, doesn’t seem to be serious but who knows.
Dellin Betances : he’s struggled with injuries again most of this year (hmm, I’m seeing a trend here) .
Andrew Brackman : he came out of the gate pretty strong but then completely imploded with off the charts walk rate and super hitable when he does put one over the plate. it oculd be one of those post TJ thing . I’m not very high on his chances of making it though. unlike Betances, he’s pretty old already espically for someone just starting. the contract is also attrocious.
They have a few other notable guys IMHO pitching wise.
Ivan Nova : he was given away in rule 5 but came back this year. scouts been raving about his stuff for awhile but seems to be finally putting it together this year with comparable # to Mcallister in AA, getting rocked a bit in AAA though.
Arody Vizciano : their big latin pitching prospect, just starting in short season ball but has a crazy whiff rate.
Manny Banuelos : a small stature guy but he’s putting up very impressive #.
David Phelps : Sickles noted that he was a potential sleeper comming into the year and indeed he dominated low A and has down well in his recent call up to the FSL.
and for fun.
Pat Venditte : yup, Mr . Switch pitcher. he completely destroyed the South Atlantic league to start the season , he had more strikeouts (40) in 30 inning than Hits + BB+ ER+ HR!!! (24+2+5+1) 40/2 K/BB ration!!!!!! forcing himself up to the FSL in 14 IP he has a 19/2 K/BB ratio, still pretty absurd that for the entire year he has a 59/4 K/BB ratio and only gave up 2 homeruns.
Scouts are kinda down on his stuff but the results have been off the charts. it be fun if he makes it.
The hitting side is much less interesting if you take out Montero and Jackson, they have some guys who might be decent middle infielders like Ramiro Pena and Kevin Russo in AAA (but yeah, like the Yankees need that) . some corner guys that can hit a bit but not enough to warrent a job (Juan Miranda and the epic Shelley Duncan) . they have a couple of guys in the low minors that might be ok in the long run but are all very far away. their high ceiling guys are just starting in rookie ball (Kevin DeLeon and Edurdo Sosa)
Then of course, the M’s might consider Kei Igawa, sure he’s been a huge dissapointment since arriving, but he wouldn’t be the first guy to be servicable or even good once he is cured of Yankeeidist . he’s biggest problem’s been that his fly balls were falling for 2Bs or HRs too often, something that moving to the M’s could potentially solve.
In taking Igawa the Ms might be able to convince the Yanks to give a little more on the prospect side too.
My take:
Igawa is completely expendable (well except that they’re completely out of living bodies in AAA to the point that they had to trade for Hirsh. ) and the Yanks would add something if you take him.
Kennedy is expendable. the Yanks would probably like to keep guys like Vizciano and Betances . Mcallister isnt untouchable but they’d probably like him more than Kennedy at this point.
i think the M’s could do well taking one of Ramiro Pena (showed major league glove as util guy early in the season, bat have the potential to not completely suck from observations.) or Kevin Russo (no power but high average / OBP type 2B. and ask for another pitching prospect by taking Kei Igawa?
so either
Kennedy + Russo or Pena for Washburn
or
Kennedy + Igawa + Russo or Pena + one of their low minor pitchers that they can agree on for Washbun and send back a AAA filler SP (like Andrew Baldwin?)
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
What about Sergio Mitre?
He gets a ton of ground balls and has a tRA of 3.54 in AAA this year. He is cheap and has a club option for next year.
houseofprime - July 31, 2009
yeah
Mitre’s likely just as avalible as well, though he’s 28 and hasn’t really established himself in the majors. still, a contact guy with great control that have been done in by the bad defense of past teams he’s played on seems like exactly the undervalued type that the M’s could use.
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
There is no way in hell the M's are taking Kei Igawa
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Jack's track record
He likes young major leaguers more than prospects who are 2-3 years away. He’ll take a lower upside guy for present value.
If Washburn goes to New York, I’d bet on Alfredo Aceves being in the deal. Strike-thrower with the chance to convert to the rotation, could step into Washburn’s spot immediately, perfect fit for Safeco and a good defensive team.
davidcameron - July 31, 2009
What about Sergio Mitre?
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
He's already got 4+ years of service time
All his time on the DL has added up to a guy who is nearing free agency. Not much value there.
davidcameron - July 31, 2009
ehh
Acevas is also their few servicable RP who can basically do anything . given that it’s a win now trade for the Yankees it would seem odd for them to give up on their best non Hughes / Rivera RP.
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
Robertson/Coke/Hughes/Rivera
Their bullpen will be fine without him.
davidcameron - July 31, 2009
a legit point
as long as Joe Giradi doesn’t waste too much innings with Bruney / Marte .
I’m also curios to how they plan on handling the Hughes/ Chamberlain situation. in terms of inning caps it seems like they need to switch them around pretty soon.
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
Heyman has a new blurb up
Basically M’s asked for Montero and got declined, which I can’t really blame the Yankees for. This is gonna be a close one.
Linky.
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
heh
it doesn’t hurt to ask I guess, but there’s a ton to like about Jesus just based on the bat alone, and at a 32% CS rate so far in AA it’s hard to completely write off his chances of catching in the majors
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
Lets get going here Jack. There is no chance of getting Hughes, Joba, or Montero.
If you want to be bold ask for Jackson or Romine, although you’ll still get rebuffed, but asking for the three guys above is just ludicrous (although GMs do it all the time)
I still like the idea of McAllister plus one of their young arms in Betances or Vizcaino.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
that's
probably the best in terms of long term potentail that’s also at least possible to get done.
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
also
Heyman kinda butched the Yankee farm analysis
Melancon is a nice RP but probably just setup material at best. Dunn / Nova / Bush have a little potential but none have a sustained track record of success that would lead you to think they’re a major piece of any trade. Ramiro Pena has a nice glove (he put up positive UZR in his limited duty with the Yanks this year at SS, 2B and 3B. ) he’s a switch hitter and I like his bat a bit more than his stats suggest, he’s a ok peice to throw in, Eduardo Nunez is a significantly worse version of Pena . he’s just an emergency glove at best.(at least Pena’s shown some signs of a mild plate discipline)
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
Rolling, what kind of defensive projection is there on Romine? I doubt the M's could get him
but he would seem to be a nice prospect if he sticks behind the plate.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
well
when he was drafted people thought that he was good enough glove wise but questioned his bat since he was out of highschool and while he mashed it wasn’t out of this world mashing. He’s shown a signficantly better CS% than Jesus Montero at the same league (though damn, those FSL guys really like to run. he’s had 97 attempts against him already thsi season!!! he caught about 33 % of them where as Montero was like in the teens but improved to 30+ % in AA)
I hazard a guess that his glove isn’t a real problem (report is that he has a great arm, footwork and transion isn’t completely there year but is respectable ) it’s what you think he’s bat will turn out like, right now the biggest problem stats wise is that he’s doing his best Kenji Johjima impression (ok not that extreme but still) of not walking much. however a few scouting report I saw said that he had exellent pitch recognition and isn’t just swing at every first pitch.
Still, there’s plenty to like, he’s showing modest power already in a pretty tough league to hit. he’s caught a pretty solid amount of guys in a league where everyone runs wild, he seem to show at least modest understanding of the strike zone and scouting report think he can improve on that.
Yeah, he’s probably the 3rd best yankee positional prosect right now . he is from a baseball family (Father was a major league bench player, brother in Angel system) the fundemental tools you want to see is all there and the skillset doesn’t seem to have any glaring holes other than you hope to see him walk a little more.
I think he has a fairly solid chance of making it. might not be a world beater but a Kurt Suzuki type isn’t absurd projection with the abosalute upsides of a Russell Martin type . depending on how his defense game turns out he could be pretty darn valuable.
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
Great to see Jack still looking for a legit catcher
I mean, I know we couldn’t get him but it’s great t know they recognize the paucity of internal options
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Is there any rational explanation about why Branyan hasn't been talked about at all?
Why on earth are we keeping him? It would be a total sell-high move, and SF, Florida, NYM all need some 1B pop. His absence in trade talks is really….odd.
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
Bear in mind that there are approximately zero rumours coming out of our FO
He may well have been discussed, we’re just not hearing about it
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
I think he and Zdurenciek have some sort of bond. Plus I think Z thinks this team will
challenge for the playoffs next year (I don’t believe that) and he wants Branyan to be a part of it.
Yeah, I know we can just resign him in the offseason, but I think Branyan will show loyalty to us if we keep him, because we gave him the shot to play everyday.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
You really don't think we can challenge for the playoffs next year?
Mariner John - July 31, 2009
Suppose it depends on how much the Angels and Rangers improve themselves.
JonBBT - July 31, 2009
Unless we add 2-3 good position players and a SP I don't think we're a likely candidate to
win the division. Sure we can be in it like this year or maybe a little longer, but when your lineup at this point in time projects to include Saunders, Johnson, Tui, Carp as regulars and the rotation is Felix//Snell/RRS/Vargas/Morrow I don’t see a playoff team.
Of course this will change with offseason deals, but the payroll is already shrinking with the pickups of Wilson/Snell and if they give Washburn another deal, suddenly you are relying on Jack having to make a Gutierrez type deal to really give this roster an upgrade.
And who does he use to make that type of deal? Aardsma? Morrow?
I don’t know. I think 2011 is the year Jack should be looking at.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
People said the same types of things (although a bit more vehemently) last season and over the winter.
Next year’s team looks like an above .500 true talent type of team on paper before trades/FA. I don’t disagree that the 2011 team is probably going to be the earliest the M’s can be called favorites, but I’d be shocked if next year’s team wasn’t a serious contender going into the season.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
I bet they'd like to keep him.
Poochie - July 31, 2009
My guess too.
2/10 souds about right, no?
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
I was thinking more around 2/15
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Still great
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Personally I'd love to keep him here
it’s a long while since we;ve had a legitimate hitter at 1B, and he should come rather cheaply
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Sexson was a legitimately good hitter in 2005 and 2006, just massivly overpaid.
I see your point though and I would also love to keep him here.
MFAN - July 31, 2009
2006 feels like a lifetime ago
but anyway, wouldn’t it be great to have Sexson 05/06 prodiction at half the cost? and with average defense?
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Absolutely. Heck Branyan won't even cost half as much as Sexson.
MFAN - July 31, 2009
If it's a short deal me probably willl
but lets hope not
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Wash a Tiger!
From Brock and Salk. http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=421
JMKaustin - July 31, 2009
Yes!! Although they got shitty young players if I recall.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
MLB network hinting that a trade has just gone down....cut to commercial
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
Luke French and Mauricio Robles coming back
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
Nice deal
Tiger need him more, and their stadium plays to his advantage better (As long as Maggs isn’t wondering out there too often)
RollingWave - July 31, 2009
Amusing numbers:
Only 7 players left on the wasteland that is the Pittsburgh roster make more than their manager.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Rotoworld:
Goose - July 31, 2009
Are they still doing a three team trade?
Slurvey - July 31, 2009
Not sure. Doesn't look like it though.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Rosenthal:
Goose - July 31, 2009
Mlb.com
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Theres got to be more to that trade
Martinez only makes 7 million next year. I mean thats close, but there has to be more
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Brian Price is in the deal to supposedly
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
He's a good coachl.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
NO NO NO
vitor is ours dammit
Poochie - July 31, 2009
OH FUCK OH FUCK
link
If they trade Napoli or Howie heads will roll.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Trade Napoli! GO GO GO!
Goose - July 31, 2009
Kill Napoli GO GO GO
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
And they will stop rolling when Eyebrows is officially an M's fan...
jimmylauderdale - July 31, 2009
It seems like they are interested in Heath Bell.
This is not good news.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
It is time for the annual Angels-are-already-good-locks-for-the-playoffs
so-lets-trade-good-young-players-for-soon-to-be-FAs-to-make-us-0.5 wins-better move
Matthew - July 31, 2009
GOD
Although Kotchman sucks so I don’t feel TOO bad about that one. Still, fucking fuck fuck.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Seriously, what the fuck Reagins?
You were head of player development. YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO LIKE THE YOUNG PLAYERS.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
DO IT DO IT!
gregrabble - July 31, 2009
Napoli, Kendrick and Wood for Felix.
DO IT DO IT!
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
DIE DIE DIE
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
No one who speaks German could be an evil man.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Funny
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
Who is this?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Charlie Chaplin.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Some German guy..
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
Bruno?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Roseanne Barr
mem - July 31, 2009
Oh, now I get it.
waldo rojas - July 31, 2009
He was a war hero
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Godwin's law
bluemax - July 31, 2009
~
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I think I'm sensing some animosity.
M'sin.. - July 31, 2009
We'd have to switch jerseys.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
MLBTR: Bullpen help!
1:18pm: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the Angels and Dodgers are battling for Bell.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
BIDDING WAR!
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Please.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Noooooooooooo
unless the Angels “win”
bluemax - July 31, 2009
I don't see how they can win unless it's Mathis going.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I am going to lunch.
I have a sinking feeling that I will be very sad when I return.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I am not sad yet.
This surprises me. Still, 25 minutes to go.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Do you miss the Napoli trade?
Heath Bell and Matt Antonelli for Napoli and a minor leaguer
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Nice try.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
A rare trade deadline with actual trades!
This is fun.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
I know, weird huh?
Goose - July 31, 2009
This has been amazing
This season has been such a blast pretty much right from the hiring of Zduriencik. I don’t know when I last enjoyed baseball so much in al its aspects.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
It's my favorite day of my baseball year.
And one of my top 5 favorite sports day of the year. I just wish the trade deadline was later in the day.
Robert - July 31, 2009
This doesn't happen often?
I would think this is the point of having a deadline
d0nkey - July 31, 2009
Usually a lot of talk and a lot of "fell through at the last minute"'s
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
This wouldn't be an issue if we lived on the East Coast
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
It does have bias!
It used to favor the West Coast!
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Like it's 1999!
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Dodgers acquire Vinny Rottino for Claudio Vargas
Link
Not much to say about this one.
bluemax - July 31, 2009
I will say though
that I hate all the Dodgers fans who think that the team needs to make a huge move in order to win in the playoffs.
bluemax - July 31, 2009
I hate Dodger fans.
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
Love this deal for the Brewers.
Vargas is an old sentimental favorite of mine from the good ’ol days
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
MLB network
Just mistook Miguel Cabrera on the batting average leader board for Orlando Cabrera. Announcer clearly doesn’t follow baseball outside of New York
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Well, they're both brown.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
And easily controlled.
kentroyals5 - July 31, 2009
Aren't those one and the same?
Lanky - July 31, 2009
Apparently Vitor Artinez to Red Sox is going to happen
so lets forget about that WC huh
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
So I guess I didn't read the entire thread
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Did you skip the 'c' and 'm' the first time?
Lanky - July 31, 2009
It's a LL inside joke.
Faux - July 31, 2009
Well that's annoying.
Lanky - July 31, 2009
Or amazing.
I’m going with Amazing!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Stick around and listen for a while, and you'll pick some up as well.
Faux - July 31, 2009
I can't imagine it's worth the time commitment, though.
I spend more time here than I should already. If I miss some jokes, so be it.
Lanky - July 31, 2009
Holy shit did you guys see that O-Cab cannot be offered arb after this trade?
since when are clauses like this being written into trade deals?
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
What?
Goose - July 31, 2009
He probably insisted on it because of the difficulties he had signing a contract this offseason.
There were a few players – Orlando Hudson and a pitcher I can’t remember – who didn’t get a contract as easily or as large because of the free agency compensation.
Jed MC - July 31, 2009
Was it Juan Cruz?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Yes it was
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Ding ding ding!
I wonder who this could happen to this off-season.
Random guesses: Rod Barajas, Aubrey Huff, Xavier Nady, Darren Oliver, Rick Ankiel, Randy Wolf, John Grabow, Will Ohman, Joe Beimel
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Speaking of which, Cruz's K's have plummeted this year.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Since Elias
Fucked up his free agent value this offseason
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Wasn't that part of the Manny deal last year too?
jimmylauderdale - July 31, 2009
No, the Manny deal was that the club wouldn't pick up their option on the contract, but would offer arb.
Manny would then decline arb, and go into FA.
If LAD hadn’t picked him back up, they would have gotten the two picks from offering arb to a type A that left.
Faux - July 31, 2009
This type of contract will probably become more common if the FA compensation stays as it is.
I’ll bet it turns into a similar situation to the NFL where players only sign the franchise tag if the team agrees not to place that franchise tag on them the following year.
Jed MC - July 31, 2009
Rosenthal says
Adrian Gonzalez could be heading to the Dodgers, what the fuck
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
WUUAT?
sammy - July 31, 2009
There talking about it on MLB network right now
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
That's hilarious.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Colletti swung for Manny this time last year
why not go for broke?
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
The difference was is that the Dodgers needed Manny to beat Arizona for the division title.
This year they don’t need anybody to win the division.
Goose - July 31, 2009
I don't think the division is the final goal.
sammy - July 31, 2009
they need something to beat the Phillies in the CS or now the Red Sox/Yanks in the WS
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
Playoffs are a crap shoot.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Right, but adding Adrian Gonzalez has got to improve your odds.
sammy - July 31, 2009
At least he's not a rental
But he’d probably demand a Bedard package
Poochie - July 31, 2009
They were saying "Halladay times three"
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Not by enough that it's worth trading for
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Isn't this exactly why people argued against trading for
Texeira last year for the Angels? That the difference between him and Kotchmann wasn’t worth it when the Angels were pretty much assured a spot in the playoffs?
bluemax - July 31, 2009
That one wasn't nearly as bad
Poochie - July 31, 2009
That trade was awful
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Was it just Kotchman straight up?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Yes
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
I thought the Angels threw a reliever in with him?
Goose - July 31, 2009
ehh
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I think the chance to advance in the playoffs is worth a pretty unremarkable player like Kotchman who's about tog et expensive.
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Except for the fact that over a 5 game series the max Tex is worth over Kotchman is like two runs.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Kotchman absolutely sucks though.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
And they had Kendry waiting.
Kendry has to be about equal to Kotchman
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Kendry > Kotchman
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Yes, I'd say that Kendry would make the trade a winner for the Angels.
And they got two months of Tex plus the draft picks for a player they needed to move at some point.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Why do people think that the two months of Teixeira even matter?
They clearly did not even at the time of trade.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Yes, I'd say that Kendry would make the trade a winner for the Angels.
They had to move Kotchman at some point and they got two months of Tex for him plus the draft picks.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
How the hell does this happen?
You said pretty much the same thing 6 minutes ago.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
For some reason this site on my computer sometimes has a delay and tells me it didn't post so I have to try again and it posts twice.
Sometimes.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Same thing has happened to me.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
The one that gets me is when I tap return 3 times.
It posts the comment, but reloads the screen request to post. If I’m not paying attention I’ll think I didn’t hit the post button, and post it a second time.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
The Angels traded Kotchman
a projected 2-2.5 win player under team control for 3 more seasons
for
The upgrade of Kotchman to Teixeira, roughly 0.15 runs/game, for the playoffs.
That trade was stupid by the Angels.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
I think Graham and I have come to a similar conclusion after a long thread.
Although I still think that’s overrating Kotchman a fair bit, given his track record, but I’ve only looked at FanGraphs and don’t know his scouting reports.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
It's not.
Both Kotchman’s 2008 and 2009 projections pegged him as a 2-2.5 win player.
We do not just pull numbers out of our ass.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
That's why I defer to your judgment and tried to emphasized explicitly how little I know about Kotchman.
I didn’t accuse you of anything ass-related.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
That's like 30 runs over the course of a season plus you get draft pick comp
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Who the fuck cares over the course of the season?
They were up by 10 games at the ASB or something retarded. Draft picks also were not worth an actual MLB player
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
It is when it's Kotchman and he doesn't hit enough to play first
Poochie - July 31, 2009
He was a 2.6 WAR player in 2007
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
...and 2.9 in his entire career
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Yeah, I think you're way off base here, Graham. He's been, on average, a replacement level player ever year except 2007.
He’s a below average MLB first baseman in his arb years.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
I'd rather have 2 months of tex and two draft picks than that.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Speaking of Kotchman, NESN is saying he's the return for LaRoche.
Goose - July 31, 2009
So the Braves traded away a large part of their future for a little Tex, a little Kotchman, and Adam Laroche?
It sure ain’t the 90’s anymore.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
It was never 2 months of Teixeira though
The two months were totally and completely irrelevant.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Right because clearly we shouldn't have been weighting his numbers in a sensible manner
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
I just never thought he was very good
and even if he was, they had players to replace him, so I don’t know how much better of a trade they would have gotten
Poochie - July 31, 2009
They never needed to trade for Teixeira in the first place
That is why that trade was a giant barrel of stupid. They gave Kotchman away for no good reason.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Can you explain your take on Kotchman further?
I’ve only looked at his advanced FanGraphs numbers – there could be alot I’m missing.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
At the time he should have been projected as a slightly below average 1B
I don’t care that he tanked this year and in last year’s second half
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
So he's...Chris Shelton with a slightly above average glove?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
And they traded him for help in the ALDS and two low draft picks
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Chris Sheltons can be had easily
and weren’t about to get an arb raise
Poochie - July 31, 2009
So if the Braves wanted him so much trade him for something helpful
Rental players only matter if there’s actually a race
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
I guess I'm still confused about your viewpoint.
Shelton was literally freely available, and Kotchman seems the type of player whom arbitration and silly GMs would phenomenally overvalue – and he seems barely an upgrade over Shelton. This is normally the kind of player you love to scorn.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
My viewpoint
Teixeira did not help the Angels in 2008. He won’t help them again for another four years.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Essentially, they were in win-near-term mode and then traded Kotchman for draft picks
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
I don't think it was as much of an upgrade as it was made out to be
but I think you are undervaluing winning in the playoffs.
Poochie - July 31, 2009
You are vastly overrating how much of an impact one person has on a playoff series
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Maybe the real truth is somewhere in between
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I doubt it
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Okay, that bit about Teixura makes sense.
I guess I disagree about the value of Kotchman. Any salary over 4.5-5 mil he won in arbitration would essentially make him a net negative because he’s only a tru talent 1 WAR player. I’d rather have the draft picks (worth a couple million each according to Wang’s work, I think) and the sliver of a contrabution of Tex (plus the crazy fan excitement and possible extra revenue, but that’s mostly intangible of course so bracket that).
Decatur - July 31, 2009
So Kotchman clearly had value to the Braves
The trade the Angels made used his value to Atlanta in a hilariously inefficient way that showed they had no idea what they were doing
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Okay, so you're arguing that getting a club control player or two, even only average, would've been a much better use of Kotchman, given how the trade market overvalued him.
Is that a fair way to put words in your mouth?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Yes
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Why Graham is probably right.
Actually, I agree with you now – at least that the trade was hilarious, although I think the Angels still did fine. You just had a roundabout way of explaining it.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
But those two runs could've won them Game 4 to extend the series.
Compute that, spreadsheet boy.
Faux - July 31, 2009
But they didn't
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Pretty much
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
No argument there.
sammy - July 31, 2009
But he's signed (via club option) through 2011 for only 11 million for 2 1/3 seasons.
It boosts their playoff chances for 2010 and 2011 dramatically too.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
If they don't trade Kemp or someone, that is.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
God that would be a sick joke God would play on the world if Kemp was traded to SD.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
At least he would finally be moved up in the lineup!
That has to make him happy, right?
schismatix - July 31, 2009
Kemp never bitched about it, right?
As far as I know, he’s simply content with being the best CF in baseball and doesn’t let Torre’s shenanigans get to him.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Yeah I know.
I was just trying to find a silver lining for him if he had to play for the Padres. That’s really about it.
schismatix - July 31, 2009
What the fuck?
On both sides. What the fuck
Goose - July 31, 2009
So the Padres are planning on moving to Portland,
Robert - July 31, 2009
:(
Don’t get my hopes up
maalox - July 31, 2009
Damnit, I wanted Nike to buy the Marlins instead.
Faux - July 31, 2009
That would be hilarious if Padres-Mariners became an actual rivalry.
sammy - July 31, 2009
I've been waiting for the next expansion forever.
Let’s make it 16-16. NL/AL
Faux - July 31, 2009
Amen.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I would do anything to have major league baseball here.
Literally anything. Think about it.
maalox - July 31, 2009
Please don't make me.
Lanky - July 31, 2009
In any position
maalox - July 31, 2009
Yes, please.
Garces - July 31, 2009
I can't wait to make once/twice a year pilgrimages to see STL!
Poochie - July 31, 2009
That's actually a huge upgrade over Loney.
But holy fuck they’d better win it all in the next three years or they’ll be screwed for a decade and a half
Decatur - July 31, 2009
GO GO GO
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Are the Padres going to have any fans left after this?
Goose - July 31, 2009
Bryce Harper
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Stras...oh, wait.
Faux - July 31, 2009
What the hell is the difference at this point?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I'm heading downtown tonight to watch the burning.
Teej - July 31, 2009
The hell?
What names even make this trade work?
Loney, McDonald and Blake DeWitt maybe?
bluemax - July 31, 2009
Kershaw, Kemp etc
Poochie - July 31, 2009
They wouldn't do Kershaw for Halladay or Lee
why Gonzalez? Kemp isn’t getting traded.
Broxton, Loney, Dewitt and McDonald for Bell and Gonzalez maybe?
bluemax - July 31, 2009
I just assume anything is possible with those guys
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Maybe this is the one that gets Ned's ass canned.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
I doubt it
Not after two trips to the playoffs.
Robert - July 31, 2009
DePo got canned after one!
Poochie - July 31, 2009
DePo ruined the organization!
Ned, on the other hand, has utilized players like Ethier and Kemp to excel.
katal - July 31, 2009
And a lengthy
propaganda smear campaign
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Adrian Gonzalez is one of the most popular players in the league in terms of how much the teams fans love him.
It’s like us trading Felix. They would need to get an amazing package.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
They don't have any fans so who'd notice
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
fuck fuck fuck I wanted V-Mart for 2010
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Remember when Bard was Andrew Miller's red-headed stepbrother coming out of college?
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
No actually I don't because I have a very limited knowledge of non-MLB players
Poochie - July 31, 2009
CBS is reporting Masterson and Hadagone
sammy - July 31, 2009
*Hadadone
sammy - July 31, 2009
Veducci said
Bryan Price is in there too
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Doubles as a pitching coach
tait644 - July 31, 2009
And comes with Bob Melvin!
Goose - July 31, 2009
Is Hadadone good?
Because Masterson seems… ehh.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Ranked as the #3 propsect in the Red Sox' organization by Baseball America.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
He was a Husky
Supplemental first rounder
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
And.... *Hagadone.
There. Knew I’d get there eventually.
sammy - July 31, 2009
Quick, someone get 1000 RSN outside Fenway screaming about their "Captian".
Faux - July 31, 2009
Looks like a pitcher named Bryan Price is also going to Cleveland.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Its being reported as a done deal
According to Bob Nightengale of USA Today
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Maybe I'm undervaluing Hagadone
But that seems pretty light for Martinez.
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Cleveland has nowhere to go but up after these trades.
They’re maybe not BAD trades, but in the past two seasons you’ve sent off every franchise player you’ve got except for Grady Sizemore.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Yeah
Giving up Lee and V Mart and the centerpiece is Hadagone? Or Knapp?
tait644 - July 31, 2009
50 minutes remaining!
Goose - July 31, 2009
I can't believe Arizona did nothing(aside from the Lopez trade).
Qualls,Davis,Garland. All still here. Fuck.
I mean, jesus christ. There haven’t even been whispers!
Goose - July 31, 2009
GM's probably called about Haren and when they were told no got to sad to continue talks.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
LaRoche to Braves, Hairston Jr. to Yankees
From MLBTR
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
Why did they even trade for him to begin with?
Goose - July 31, 2009
Insurance
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
They just got Martinez. The equation has changed.
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Is this an actual trade or just some unsourced rumor?
(Can’t get there from work)
Faux - July 31, 2009
It's sourced as a done deal
yahoo sports
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Two trades, and they're sourced
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
Which LaRoche?
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
The one on the Red Sox
Poochie - July 31, 2009
TRADE DEADLINE OVERLOAD
russak - July 31, 2009
I'm going to lose my job.
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Is it just me or has this been an especially eventful trade deadline.
sammy - July 31, 2009
One of the busiest I can remember over the last 10 years.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Usually
we end up saying “the trade deadline is always disappointing.”
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
I have another page open in the background.. I just keep switching over when people walk by
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Reply.... FAIL!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Rockies land Beimel
this is getting ridiculous
Jack Moore - July 31, 2009
I'm starting to lose track of where everybody has gone.
Goose - July 31, 2009
and Hairston Jr. to NYY
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Whoops.. late.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Casey Kotchman for Adam LaRoche
This is just nuts
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
So ultimately, the Braves trade Mark Texieria for Adam LaRoche.
Who was originally a Brave.
Goose - July 31, 2009
And Mike Gonzalez and one other guy
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Lillibridge!
yuniform - July 31, 2009
How oculd I forget
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Wait are you sure the Sox are getting Kotchman back?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
That's what NESN is saying.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
So the Red Sox wanted to get rid of LaRoche because they'd be cluttered at first base
so they traded him for a 1B?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
V-Mart, V-Tek, Youk, Kotchman, Lowell
To man 3 positions???
danduke - July 31, 2009
Kotchman, you'd think, is mostly definitely taking on the backup Doug Minkevitch (no, i dont know how to spell it) role.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
You mean two positions.
Because Ortiz is squatting at DH.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
C/1B/3B
danduke - July 31, 2009
Kotchman might be optioned down
for possible recall maybe? (pure speculation)
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Kotchman is Doug Mientkiewicz
He won’t see many starts
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Rosenthal et al confirm
Here
danduke - July 31, 2009
The Braves aren't getting anything else?
That seems odd
danduke - July 31, 2009
Crazy motherfuckers.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
Can't wait to see how the Braves get Francoeur back.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
M's get Rey Quinonez!
I can’t believe it! A long term option at SS! I am pumped!
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
What?
gregrabble - July 31, 2009
Explain.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Rey Ordonez with a name change?
danduke - July 31, 2009
I hope is fielding and hitting are as good as his reporting.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
his*
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
Please elaborate
what did they pay, where is he coming from etc
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
He's a 45 year old who played in the 80's
So not much, I would hope
gregrabble - July 31, 2009
OK missed the joke
trying to follow the craziness and work at the same time
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Did you mean Quinones?
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
He's among the pantheon of Mariners to wear the number 51.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I had no idea...
that the responses to this would make me laugh this hard.
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
Me, too!
I’d just become an M’s fan when this trade went down and I HAAAATED it then…
So glad it’s not 1986 anymore…
PositivePaul - July 31, 2009
Comment stolen from BTF chat
“Has Dayton Moore expended all of his fail for this trade deadline, or can we expect a bag of magic beans for Bannister? "
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I like how Bannister has better idea of his true value than Moore does.
Robert - July 31, 2009
SP/GM Brian Bannister
danduke - July 31, 2009
All the stuff about Bannister being into SABR made me kinda sad for him
cause all the right numbers say he’s not really any good
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
4.15 tRA this year
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
No kidding?
last time I was looking at his numbers was when he was giving the Yahoo! interviews and he was pretty crappy then
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Yeah word has it he used advanced analysis to change his pitching style
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Its the new roids
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Luckily he has a quality education to fall back on
bluemax - July 31, 2009
I like how Willie Bloomquist is "drawing interest"
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I like the "Would Tony Gwynn eat a telephone if it were dipped in gravy" poll.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Nats drove away the Marlins from a trade for Nick Johnson.
Way to go, Rizzo.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
If they weren't getting enough, why give him up?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Scott Rolen to the Reds. That seems odd.
MFAN - July 31, 2009
Two non contenders
I don’t get it.
bluemax - July 31, 2009
They really really really
Do not like Edwin Encarnacion
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Could we make EE our DH?
danduke - July 31, 2009
You do need a 3B.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
We need a 3B
Not a “3B”
danduke - July 31, 2009
Oh yeesh I just looked at his numbers.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I wouldn't be suprised if he went
To Toronto in the trade
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I thought Toronto knew how to build a good defensive infield, though?
Encarnacion sucks at defense.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Vernon Wells!
MFAN - July 31, 2009
Infield defense!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Yeah he sucks at defense
But the first thing to come to mind is that the Blue Jays have nothing resembling 3rd base depth. I mean its that or Jose Batista
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
We can trade them Hannahan now!
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Grab him.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Yawn.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
I was hoping we could take him off the Blue Jays hands to replace Beltre
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Don't tell me they actually gave up Yonder Alonso?
russak - July 31, 2009
It says Rolen has to approve
So what’s the rule here? Does Rolen have to approve in the next 15 minutes? Anyone know?
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
I guess?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I'd say no. Fuck Cincy
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Expectations dwindling now..
Although maybe Z’s information lock down is just that good..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Rolen to the Reds
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
Rosenthal
Goose - July 31, 2009
AHAHAHHAHAHA
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
HOL HOLY SHIT
Poochie - July 31, 2009
wait WHAT?
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
What the fuck
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Bullshit
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Ed Price is saying this is wrong.
Goose - July 31, 2009
It would almost have to be
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
This would be far and away the worst deal of the deadline if true.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Of any deadline ever even.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
We've done worse?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Not at the deadline?
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Varitek and Lowe for a garbage reliever?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Encarnacion and a top 10 pick for an aging player when you aren't nearly in the race?
abender20 - July 31, 2009
That trade was nowhere near as bad as people have made it out to be.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Maybe not but Varitek was a first rounder
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Varitek was a 25 year old catcher
hitting way worse then Jeff Clement. The results ended up terrible but absolutely unpredictable at the time
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
The fact that Boston only wanted either Varitek or Lowe, but Woody still offered both, is what makes it so awful to me.
katal - July 31, 2009
Bavasi!
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Beat me to it.
CMC_Stags - July 31, 2009
WHAT THE HORSE FUCK
abender20 - July 31, 2009
WHAT
Poochie - July 31, 2009
NO WAY
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Mind blown.
Teej - July 31, 2009
WHHHHHHAAAAATTT
the hell
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Red to the Rolens
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I believe Toronto has made a trade.
Goose - July 31, 2009
All right deal him back to St. Louis for DeRosa
GO GO GO
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Yeah I'm sure he'd approve that trade.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I bet he would solely out of spite
Poochie - July 31, 2009
9 more minutes
w00tah - July 31, 2009
More like 50 more minutes
If Pedro Alvarez has taught us anything its that hard deadlines in MLB are soft deadlines
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Rumors going around is that the Yanks traded Austin Jackson to the Reds for Hairiston. If true then:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Goose - July 31, 2009
...wow
danduke - July 31, 2009
Not a chance
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
If they wouldn't trade him for Wash, I don't see it.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Mayo is now backing off of the Jackson assertion
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Please, Mariners, dump a reliever
ANY reliever.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
They already got rid of Corco.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Seriously.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
They don't NEED to dump a reliever
Lowe and White aren’t terrible options going forward. If they can get shiny things in return, absolutely.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Seconded
No need to make a move to make a move. Jack knows that
danduke - July 31, 2009
That's what I mean.. They are nice trade chips and it would be great if we could turn one of them in to something
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
This is basically what I mean
But I’ve just gotten sick of Lowe. I’m okay with change-for-the-sake-of-change. (Even though it’s clearly not rational.)
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Rosenthal:
Goose - July 31, 2009
I read that as Mariners and got semi-excited..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Samesies
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Ha ha so much for Cameron Maybin
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
He's the same one who said that they stopped pursuing Johnson!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
I am unimpressed with this return on Johnson.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Yeah, the Nats are paying almost all his salary.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Better than letting him walk
danduke - July 31, 2009
I suppose
still, seems like they could have taken their business elsewhere and gotten something better.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
He doesn't have much power, and getting rid of him should mean letting Dunn play first, unclogging the OF
If the prospect is halfway decent, it’s an okay move.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Thompson is a fine prospect
russak - July 31, 2009
Thompson is an interesting little pitcher
former 1st rounder, change-up pitcher, holding his own in AA at 22. You’re right the M’s could have matched that pretty easy
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
That could have been us
oh well
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Don't worry Goose! The Twins are interested in Rauch!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
GO GO GO!
Goose - July 31, 2009
But the D-Backs can't give up their monopoly on neck tattoos!
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Encarnacion and a minor leaguer for Rolen.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Sounds like Alonso
schismatix - July 31, 2009
That would be dumb.
russak - July 31, 2009
Yes it would be.
schismatix - July 31, 2009
Ed Price's saying that it's not true.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Also (Via Will Carroll)
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
But... why
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Walt is 10 years behind the times
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Maybe he's being packaged with Halladay
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I swear I didn't see this
Poochie - July 31, 2009
GOD WHY DIDN'T WE GO TRADE HANNAHAN FOR YONDER
abender20 - July 31, 2009
He's not nearly as sexy
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I WANTED HIM TO BE OURS
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Boom
called that well
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Ok Angels what the fuck
you called up two minor leaguers for one roster spot, what gives?
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
DL?
Matthew - July 31, 2009
ANNNND PENCILS DOWN!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
This one is better than mine.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Psh. Yeah right.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
TIME!
Goose - July 31, 2009
Now we just have to wait three hours or so for the last trades to be processed!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Exactly.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
YO EYEBROWS
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2009/7/31/971104/not-so-fast-on-no-deal-for-halladay
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
GOD
I fucking knew it. It’s going to be Napoli, Wood/Aybar, and someone else.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
FUCKING
FUCKERFUCKERFUCKS
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Game Over Man!!!!!
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
What movie is this again?
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Aliens
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Ahahahahaha!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Saunders/Weaver?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Boned
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Ahhh soft deadlines
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
hahahahaha
gregrabble - July 31, 2009
Fuck that.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
BE USEFUL FOR ONCE SELIG AND BLOCK THIS.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I'm not seeing this anywhere else and we are 15 minutes past the deadline.
Goose - July 31, 2009
A list with a bullet point of each trade would be nice with this clusterfuck of a deadline.
russak - July 31, 2009
The top right column of MLBTR lists all the big names.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Thanks.
russak - July 31, 2009
I've been watching baseball since 1994 and I cannot remember a more active July 31st.
Goose - July 31, 2009
1996 was pretty wild
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Aren't a ton of teams in the hunt thoug?
russak - July 31, 2009
Usually makes for a quiet deadline.
You need sellers and buyers.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
though^
russak - July 31, 2009
Chase Weems for Jerry Hairston
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I won't chase anything for Jerry Hairston.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Ah that seems more likely that Austin Jackson.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Well this has been fun.
I was expecting some other strange yet appealing move from the Mariners, however.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
Give it a few more minutes.
gregrabble - July 31, 2009
So hey Brandon Morrow's still here.
Goose - July 31, 2009
I like this.
Eyeball Kid - August 1, 2009
Keith Law saying NO Alonso in the Rolen deal..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart instead
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Rosenthal totally blew this one.
Goose - July 31, 2009
It's like the Austin Jackson thing
Some things are absolutely wrong the second you here them
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
*hear
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Keith Law: Alonso not in Rolen deal
thank you captain obvious
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Finally something that makes sense.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
How do they say?
The deals will “trickle” in?
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Well that was exciting.
Fucking DBacks.
Goose - July 31, 2009
I had a feeling that Halladay wouldn't get moved.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Not a sure thing yet.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Officially not traded.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
I wish would could bring in some sort of offense before the offseason
This lineup isn’t that fun to watch, even if Beltre comes back :/
okdan - July 31, 2009
wish *WE could...
okdan - July 31, 2009
Jon Heyman tweets
Peavy to White Sox?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Someone has to have hacked his account
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Jon Heyman is as qualified and informed as I am.
Pay him zero attention.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
That is,
wait for someone else to report it independently.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Peavy to the white sox again? loool
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Peavy to White Sox again
Heyman is on crack
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Or hacked.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Uhhh Peavy?
I know, Late… but what?
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Ken Williams is bat-shit crazy.
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Crazy like a fox.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
this is no joke. peavy goes to white sox again. #padres get minor leaguers.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Shannon Drayer
M’s may have a post deadline announcement.
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
WORD!!!
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
Oooooh
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
"May?"
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Oh, really?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
So, who's Morrow traded for?
craig3410 - July 31, 2009
Halladay.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
Grady Sizemore?
It fits, right?
tait644 - July 31, 2009
I will kill myself if it's not Hanley
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I hate it when it not's Hanley
Robert - July 31, 2009
I KNOW
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Where's that?
HARRYP09 - July 31, 2009
Her twitter..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
tee hee hee this sounds dirty
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Thanks.
HARRYP09 - July 31, 2009
Could just be announcing Sunday's starter.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Good point.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
That's probably more likely
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
In that case "post deadline"
Is a bad choice of words
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Announcement: You may line up to the left to give Big Daddy Z a good fondle.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
3:25pm: Halladay has not been traded, according to Sherman on Twitter. So many wasted words.
OH THANK THE LORD
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
It could mean
That you traded Napoli and Kendrick for someone who is worse
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Shut up shut up SHUT UP
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
WHAT
That would have fucked us over next year
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I'd rather hold on to Napoli / Weaver / Aybar / whatever.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Peavy----> CWS rumour is on MLBn
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Oh I guess that's from the same dude huh
Poochie - July 31, 2009
One idiot is all it takes to start up the rumormobile.
Give it a few minutes.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
I wonder if they got a worse deal than the first time around.
If its true.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
3:29pm: MLB.com's Corey Brock via Twitter: Aaron Poreda's in the deal, not sure what else.
Secondary source seems to confirm a deal exists.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
The #Padres haul for Peavy is Poreda, Richard, Russell and Carter. #mlbtrades
okdan - July 31, 2009
Anyone know who Russell and Carter are?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Brian and Jimmy?
okdan - July 31, 2009
No politics.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
...but Scooby Doo can Doo-Doo!
okdan - July 31, 2009
I was thinking Bill and Joe.
Apparently it’s Adam and Dexter. Still don’t know who they are, though.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Corey Brock confirms
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Confirmed!
Poochie - July 31, 2009
You can't trade players on the DL
It would have to be PTBNL
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Couldn't they take him off the DL and trade him?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Yeah I suppose
he’s only on the 15 day DL placed back in June. They could take him off trade him, then put him back on
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
They can waive that.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Who is "they"?
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Both teams.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Alright I found it
Commissioners office needs to sign off on it as well
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
"Snell is throwing a bullpen in Texas" is Drayer's latest tweet
Is that the announcement???
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
How heavy is a bull-pen?
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Old news.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
That was already known.
So doubtful.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
But I am thinking the post-deadline announcement is not a trade.
37 minutes is a little late.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
If I recall correctly I've seen announcements way later than that, especially for smaller deals.
But it could be any number of things.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Also, there could be no announcement.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Possibly!
Although Drayer tends to be pretty damned accurate.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
I agree, but she did say "may"
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
An annoncement announcing no announcement?
Clever!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Sounds like Catch-22.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
At least they haven't hopped on my least favorite trend in the games industry
a count down website, for an announcement of an announcement.
bluemax - July 31, 2009
Damn you Kojima
and your awesome awesome games . . .
DCMariner - July 31, 2009
That was announced a day or two ago.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
For those asking, yes, Jake Peavy signed off on the deal. @JonathanMayoB3 says it's a good haul for the #Padres. #mlbtrades
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Wait, so did the Adrian Gonzalez thing ever come true?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
So far no.
bluemax - July 31, 2009
Why did he decide to waive his no-trade clause this time around?
schismatix - July 31, 2009
Chicago has better handicapped parking
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Because he saw how the Padres franchise looks now and in the foreseeable future?
And how the W. Sox are still competing? I’m guessing that’s mostly the answer. Good for SD — he’s overpaid.
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Was the Padres future any brighter at the end of May?
schismatix - July 31, 2009
Pre-season everyone thinks they have hope.
Now Peavy realizes that’s not true and San Diego probably begged them because of their need to trim payroll.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Begged him*
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Sinking ship
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Shea Hillenbrand could be had for a steal, you know!
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Asking Hillenbrand to steal is asking a lot
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Saw this elsewhere:
Link
bluemax - July 31, 2009
This would make sense.
schismatix - July 31, 2009
He looked around the clubhouse.
Teej - July 31, 2009
Isn't Peavy out for the year?
Goose - July 31, 2009
At least most of it.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Could make it back in September?
How many years on his contract?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Weird. Really weird.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Until September at the very least.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense, really. Kenny Williams…he keeps you guessing every time.
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Panicked after seeing the Tigers acquire future AL Cy Young winner Jarrod Washburn.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Posh! Not enough wins!
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Drayer on 710 just said she heard the M's were working on a last-minute deal, and it could get announced
okdan - July 31, 2009
"Could?"
tait644 - July 31, 2009
If it was ever completed, yes
Or just never announce it, and confuse the fuck out of everyone when Lowe is no longer in the bullpen.
okdan - July 31, 2009
oh god trade deadline blueballs
craig3410 - July 31, 2009
Rosterbation should take care of that.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Nice...
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Oh my what a projectable asset you have...
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Do you enjoy....team control?
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I like it when a team sees me and wants to seize me
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I think we should look into having a three-way trade.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Nah
Somebody always feels left out…
tait644 - July 31, 2009
This exchange has my mind boggling.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Guh!!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Utley?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Nah, Pujols.
Cards are throwing in the towel.
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Unlikely
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Lowe for Brignaic!
Make it happen!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
*Brignac, rather.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
We would be robbing the Rays blind.
esoteric - July 31, 2009
~
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
haha.
okdan - July 31, 2009
Throw in Morrow or Aardsma. We need a young SS.
russak - July 31, 2009
I hear that's a side effect
of too much rosterbation.
CMC_Stags - July 31, 2009
Mark Lowe for Kemp, straight up.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
I heard it was Griffey for Willie.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Mays?
okdan - July 31, 2009
Hi, Willie Mays here!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
I can't believe I laughed at that
Here, take a rec
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I laughed too.
Nice Coach.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Willie Mays Hays
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
If Drayer reports this, I gotta think there was at least a good chance it was close to being completed
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Sweeney for Tinsley?
okdan - July 31, 2009
I'VE GOT SHIT TO DO GODDAMNIT!
Goose - July 31, 2009
I just have to say: what an amazingly active deadline.
Lee, VMart, Washburn, Peavy, Gonzalez, Bell, Rolen, etc. etc. etc. Lots of movement, lots of major deals.
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Was Bell dealt?
russak - July 31, 2009
Or Gonzalez?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
No, but there were talks that made for entertainment.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Willts and Mathis for Bell.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I was just assuming that an announcement re: these two will emerge soon.
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Why does Brock keep talking about re-signing Washburn for 2010?
That’s a terrible idea.
okdan - July 31, 2009
Especially since he's not a Mariner anymore.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Oh, right, free agency.
Stupid.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Two Washburn's in the rotation is far too many.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
I say we keep signing him to one-year deals and trading him at the deadline.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
He has a low ERA
Poochie - July 31, 2009
He's a friend to the show
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Woo
Matt Kemp not batting 8th tonight!
bluemax - July 31, 2009
OHMIGOD WE GOT HIM FOR LOWE
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
He's batting ninth?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
TRADE!!!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
This is not a Dodgers game thread.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
I heard it was
Varitek and Lowe for Slocumb
tkballer22 - July 31, 2009
What a steal.
russak - July 31, 2009
Totally random, but...
Holy fuck, Ryan Franklin is 37 years old!?
okdan - July 31, 2009
Doesn't look a day over 36.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
Thats okay, but can I ask everyone a totally random question thats bugging me?
Who was the lefty specialist that was supposed to take over for Sherrill and what happened to him?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Potatoes?
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
I'm dying to know who this is.
russak - July 31, 2009
Eric O'Flaherty
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Completely forgot about him.
russak - July 31, 2009
RALLY JIG!!!
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
I was at that one Angels Mariners game when the Ms won in like the bottom of the 13th or something.
Great game, really tense every extra inning. I think it went to extras because of a 2 run HR by GMJ off of Putz. Was that 07?
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
August 1st 2007
Robert - July 31, 2009
Thanks.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Right before Lollablueza!
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
That was the start of us getting right back in the race!
Robert - July 31, 2009
The race to last place!
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
I miss Potatoes.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
How could you?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
I. LOVE. THIS. GIF.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
It's maybe my favorite LL created gif.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Actually not LL created.
I saw it one day on Fark and decided to post it during a game thread a while back.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Its Beauty and Brains incarnate.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
This blew my mind.
Really? Oh well.. It’s ingrained in my mind as LL created.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
There is a nice little jingle that goes with this gif, but I haven't seen it in years
d0nkey - July 31, 2009
It's a classic.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Ahhh yes! Thanks both of you.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Potatoes?
He’s with the Braves now, isn’t he?
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Ty Johnson?
Injuries, wasn’t up to snuff
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Yeah he's pretty fucking good too
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Starting to think that there isn't any post-deadline announcement
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
I'll bet there is.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
I like the optimism!
I really hope there is.. Keep trickling!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
I'd be surprised if there wasn't but I would also be surprised if it's anything major.
It might be the kind of thing that was really interesting any other day.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Trickle Trades are usually pretty small.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I would think that it would be Lowe or White.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Good enough for me. I don't expect anything big.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
Trickle, trickle...
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Principal Dunbar is out for two weeks.
Anybody caught doing graffiti on the school walls will be suspended… unless they are masturbating.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Jumpin' Jehosephat what the hell are you talking about?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Announcement skit, Adam Sandler, They're All Gonna Laugh at You.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Anyone else need a cigarette after that?
russak - July 31, 2009
Smoking is bad for you
Poochie - July 31, 2009
This is baseball
You take a dip
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
So....
Is there any chance that Beltre makes it through Waivers in August?
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
Perhaps?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Yes
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Im definitely not an authority on this.
But my guess would be that teams would want to get him based on the fact he’s a free agent after the year, low risk, high reward.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I need clarification
You can only trade a player to anyone after July 31 if they clear waivers.
But, if a team does claim the player – the possessing team can pull him back or work out a trade with the claiming team.
Is that right?
tait644 - July 31, 2009
Or let the claiming team take the player and his remaining contract
But yes you have the right idea
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Or just give that person to the claiming team..
Like Randy Myers a few years back.. This usually only happens when a guy has a huge contract, as the claiming team has to assume the rest of the deal.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
I'm not sure the possessing team can work out a trade with the claiming team.
I think the player has to clear all teams before a trade.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Yes they can
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I stand corrected.
My bad.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Yes...
Not claimed – Open to every team and can be traded for non 40man roster players or players who have cleared waivers.
If Claimed the original team can:
- Let the player go.
- Work out a deal with the claiming team
- Pull player back.
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
I would not want to
The return on any trade would be minimal and I still hold out hope that we can resign him.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
There are plenty of good players
Not on 40 man rosters
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Yes but Beltre has been unimpressive offensively this year
and the team taking him would have to pay a bit of cash, so I do not believe the return would be very good.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
The M's could send cash in a deal still
The return for Beltre probably won’t be stellar unless and thirdbaseman on a contender goes down hard. But that would have been the case if Beltre had been healthy for today too
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Yes, look what the Blue Jays just got for Scott Rolen.
Even though Rolen has had a bounceback year offensively, I’d still think Beltre would be more valuable.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Rolen has the same defensive reputation
and he’s healthy and signed through next year, and he’s having a good year. Beltre doesn’t even approach Rolen’s value.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
I'm running off of the assumption that some team would want to rent Adrian Beltre for a playoff run.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Well...
if he gets through Waivers you can talk to people just like you can today. You don’t have to make a move. We just can’t get back any players on another team’s 40 man roster unless they also have cleared waivers.
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
So I'm no expert, but the Padres' haul for Peavy appears to be fantastic.
Teej - July 31, 2009
He's owed some 50 million dollar through 2012 and over 70 million if his 2013 option is picked up.
The fact that the cash-strapped Padres got any good prospects in return for an injured Jake Peavy, is phenomenal.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Isn't this around the same package that was offered when he was healthy?
And getting it while he’s injured is prettyt good
russak - July 31, 2009
I think it's pretty similar.
What a weird trade.
Teej - July 31, 2009
So I'm inching closer to putting Kenny Williams on the dumb GM list,
next to DMGM and whoever runs the Reds.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
He's not always dumb
He’s very erratic though.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Kenny Williams gets antsy
If doesn’t make a trade
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
He's done some great things that make it hard for me to look at the bad things.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
True.
I should just be thankful I’m not a White Sox fan.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Is your last name Williams?
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Kenny Knows Sports Williams?
russak - July 31, 2009
Kenny Williams Knows Sports
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
Um... uh... no.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Walt Jocketty
russak - July 31, 2009
Second
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I have to wonder how much sleep GMZ got last night.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
I hope none. He had work to do.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Hopefully none,
what with his dashing good looks and his harem of possibly underage ballgirls.
DCMariner - July 31, 2009
Dude.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Why would he go where Washburn already was?
HARRYP09 - July 31, 2009
None
he was busy fucking the brains out of a group of Russian models with cocaine nipples.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
So....what happened to that post deadline announcement?
Goose - July 31, 2009
The cake is a lie.
sammy - July 31, 2009
Fuck Portal.
Eyeball Kid - August 1, 2009
Damnit Shannon Drayer you couldn't just let us be at peace
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Announcement from the FO: "BOW DOWN BEFORE GENERAL ZD, SON OF JOR-EL!"
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Geoff Baker says Z has a conference call with reporters in 30 minutes
So if nothing is out by then, there is no announcement.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
That's pretty standard, right? Q & A, explain his thought process for why he acquired this guy or that?
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
I would think so, yea...
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Jeff said that it's just Wash.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
As crazy as the deadline has been
I feel strangely unsatisfied.
Maybe I was hoping for one more deal from the M’s…
tait644 - July 31, 2009
I am beyond satisfied
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Heh, apparently tomorrow is Vitor Artinez bobblehead night in Cleveland.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
They can just change it to Asdrubal Cabrera
Bobblehead night
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Adrubal Carera?
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
They can just print up some Red Sox stickers and hand them out with the bobbleheads.
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Brock and Salk
is basically mainstream LL on the radio.
Caller: “Why is Johjima still on the team?”
Show: “Because he sucks and is expensive.”
Caller: “Isn’t there someone who would want him?”
Show: “No.”
Caller: “Oh….”
Matthew - July 31, 2009
I wonder what their user names are.
Goose - July 31, 2009
I suspect Brock is "Wizzle Wozzle" and Salk is "JeffS"
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
Two more years, two more years, two more years....
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Caller: "What about Silva? What could we get for him?"
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
Someone's got to want Batista.
Faux - July 31, 2009
Really?
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Chlamydia ?
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
You can get that from a hug?
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Cureable and less annoying than Silva
Sign me up!
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
Silva situation is "cureable", in a sense.
russak - July 31, 2009
Antibiotics cost a lot less than 12M/yr
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
I had something much more gruesome in mind than paying him to leave.
russak - July 31, 2009
I'm picturing handcuffs, the bad guy from "seven" and about 100 cans of spaghetti Os.
Am I close?
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
Ever see the movie "Swimming with Sharks?"
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
Replace spaghetti O's with campbell soup then your pretty close.
russak - July 31, 2009
I hope we get a treadmill for him.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Because he's fat amirite?
bluemax - July 31, 2009
I actually think this one was a "just take him, I don't care what we get in return"
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
He just needs to work out is all. He's sick and needs to get back in shape. Most definitely not a Carlos Silva fat joke.
And I quite enjoyed taking the phrase “What could we get for him” and turning it on it’s side.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Sports Radio callers..
Make my mind want to explode. None of them have any capacity to understand that this year is not “the year”. They all think that you should be making wild deals with 11 games to go while being 10 back.
Half of them say stupid things like “Why are the M’s still paying Silva?” as if MLB works like the NFL and you can just release players.
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
These are the same people
who want to do sign and trades like in the NBA.
bluemax - July 31, 2009
It's great to finally hear hosts just slam callers for their ignorance.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
I know right
I only listen to Salk around the time Dave is on, but it’s the only remotely smart sports talk radio I have ever heard
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Atleast they're talking baseball.
Here in DC everyone is already in full NFL mode. Gag.
DCMariner - July 31, 2009
Why would they talk about the Nationals?
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Josh Willingham is a stud and is staying
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Salk reminds me of the mods here but with less of a people fuse
Robert - July 31, 2009
Less.
…
Matthew - July 31, 2009
How does it feel to be the bad cop?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Cigarettey
Matthew - July 31, 2009
At least you can hide it in your hair.
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 31, 2009
Hilarious convo by Salk
Caller: “The M’s didn’t get a fair shake”
Salk: “Do you follow the M’s much?”
Caller: “No”
Salk: “Do you know who Stephen Strassbourg is?”
Caller: “No”
Salk: “So if I told you the Mariners traded Washburn for Strassbourg, you still wouldn’t like that?”
Caller: “…”
okdan - July 31, 2009
Who the fuck is Stephen Strassbourg?
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
His twin -- otherwise known as the player the Nats
DIDN’T draft.
manifestus - July 31, 2009
WHY DID WE PASS ON STRASSBOURG????
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
Ackley!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
It was follow the minor leagues much
not the M’s.
Matthew - July 31, 2009
Yeah, you're right, but still!
okdan - July 31, 2009
So where is that big announcement that Drayer was talking about?
w00tah - July 31, 2009
She didn't say it was big.
Good Lord people calm down.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
She said we might be making one, it was never a definite thing
gregrabble - July 31, 2009
Tune in next week for the exciting conclusion!
Will Tonto do anything besides carry the bags? Will the Lone Ranger run out of Silver Bullets?
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Will Tonto realize he's a stereotype?
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
So......
Apparently Nick Johnson is still a National
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Should someone check up on esoteric?
BrianL - July 31, 2009
Or that link was old, nevermind. Nick Johnson is a Marlin
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
So are we done?
For sure?
tait644 - July 31, 2009
There's a press conference coming up.
But i assume yes.
kevin_ess - July 31, 2009
Appears so..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Gahh
All this hype and no move makes me sad.
fresnofan - July 31, 2009
There really wasn't much hype
All that was said was that “there might be a post deadline announcement”.
gregrabble - July 31, 2009
I meant trade deadline hype more in a general term
But that ‘announcement’ is Snell starting Sunday.
No trade.
fresnofan - July 31, 2009
Uh we traded Washburn, Cedeno, Clement, Lorin, Pribanic, and Adcock
And got three starters for next year’s team plus a great looking prospect
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
YOU FUCKERS PROMISED ME SCOTT KAZMIR
Poochie - July 31, 2009
What about Wlad?
Have you forgotten our underachieving mole-man already?
I Lick Squirrels - July 31, 2009
I hope Heyman pulled this out of his ass
bluemax - July 31, 2009
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