Per Salk. Details as we get them.
Thank goodness.
Update: Luke French and Maurico Robles. Awesome awesome awesome awesome. French is a 23 year old average-looking ML lefty under club control for six more years and is basically what would happen if you went back in time and grabbed Washburn from 11 years ago. Robles is a 20 year old left handed A-baller and helps replace the three guys we gave up for Wilson and Snell. Amazing.
Updated update: Robles strikes out a lot of people. His swinging strikeout rate is 23%. 23%! Walks are too high but not a big deal. This looks like an absolute steal. Velo goes from 88-93, good curve, working on a changeup. If he gets the change working he's a starter in the bigs.
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Exellent news although I have no idea what the Tigers could give back given
their weak system. But it doesn’t really matter. Just glad we’re likely going to avoid letting Wash take up a ton of future payroll.
However, I will say thank you to Washburn for a nice job this year.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Luke French and a minor leaguer
hahahahahhaha
Patton - July 31, 2009
I read we're getting Luke French and another player.
DAMellen - July 31, 2009
Yeah! I needed some good news.
Sec 108 - July 31, 2009 via mobile
I can't believe MLBn likes this.
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Seriously?
And a class A pitcher.
Didnt we just beat French?
tkballer22 - July 31, 2009
Luke French and Marcio Robles
per Drayer
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 31, 2009
I wont believe it until Buster Olney confirms.
Attractive Nuisance - July 31, 2009
Confirmed
on sportscenter.
Patton - July 31, 2009
I'm still waiting for Buster.
He really seemed to have his finger on the Washburn pulse the whole way.
Attractive Nuisance - July 31, 2009
Hah!
JMKaustin - July 31, 2009
And he is now on 710
msb - July 31, 2009
There goes USSM
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
It took 11 minutes
Whoever had the over wins.
Patton - July 31, 2009
Dave Cameron
Time to come over to the dark side, and leave
the hamsterWordpress behindlemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Huh, looks like Robles is a high strikeout/high walk pitcher. At least so far.
11.34 K/9 in A ball this year. Pretty good for a 20 year old.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Not so high walk, really
given his age and level.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Wow, why on earth would they give us Luke French?
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
JMKaustin - July 31, 2009
As the objective analyst guy
I’d just like to say:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
davidcameron - July 31, 2009
This is the best thing ever
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
My earlier question sure was answered fast!
JMKaustin - July 31, 2009
This is better than Milky Cabrera
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Way better than Boof Bonser
dbroncos31 - July 31, 2009
I get so happy when Dave Cameron is happy.
:-)
Attractive Nuisance - July 31, 2009
Time to turn this fucker green!
Decatur - July 31, 2009
French...a young Washburn?
rtang - July 31, 2009
It wouldn't surprise me if he was better than Washburn right now
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Yup.
JMKaustin - July 31, 2009
Yup, but much cheaper and club controlled for six seasons
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
From Detroit's official website
here
ty540 - July 31, 2009
Awesome!
Bye, Jarrod!
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
And....what kind of velocity on Robles? What are his pitches?
rtang - July 31, 2009
He's inconsistent
Some days high 80s, some low-mid 90s.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Jeez...
….so he could be throwing change ups by accident…
rtang - July 31, 2009
YES YES YES YES YES
Z you are a golden god
dbroncos31 - July 31, 2009
Predictably the people worried about another Olson start need not worry.
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Huzzah! French to fill Washburn's hole in the rotation now (presumably) and Robles for funsies.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Weeee, now Snell can replace Olson!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Our rotation suddenly looks a bit more respectable!
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
This is a great day.
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
Interesting that the M's have gotten two small lefties in Saito and Robles who can
get big K’s. Nice left handed relievers on the way.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Don't write off Robles as a reliever yet
Where he is now, he has a real chance to be a really good starter.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Saito started in his last game too, I think.
So it’s possible they could both be converted into SP prospects.
Kaorikaze - July 31, 2009
With good reason, imho.
Saito’s another one who looked too impressive to me to be automatically relegated to the ‘pen just because he’s short. (That’s all it is with either of these guys, I think — scouting prejudice.)
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
The Tigers are fools!
JMKaustin - July 31, 2009
Shiny ERA!
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
And Washburn gets to go to a contender close to home, and may just want to stay there....
msb - July 31, 2009
Dear Jack:
Get you fucking coat, you’ve pulled!
EnglishMariner - July 31, 2009
Seriously
Jack, I want to see your junk sack as bald as your scalp, because I want to make you as happy as I am feeling right now…
EnglishMariner - July 31, 2009
Jesus christ dude
I mean free speech is great and all but wow.
TheTank123 - July 31, 2009
Exuberance on LL would be incomplete without the obligatory homoeroticism
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
TTE!
It’s just as excusable as GTE, right?
pmc47 - July 31, 2009
Nothing quite so glorious as a freshly shaved scrotum, amirite?!
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
You're ballsy to say that, but ultimately just nuts.
Robert Lintott - July 31, 2009
Dr. Evil quote from Austin Powers, I've always enjoyed that line too much for common sense.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
I did not think it could be done but THIS
tops “fuck my pussy”
don gato - July 31, 2009
I've said this before
but the Tigers are run by crazy people
Poochie - July 31, 2009
He's going to Detroit. DETROIT. Poor bastard
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
If this is a Kentucky Fried Movie reference you are a goddess.
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
Dang. Well spotted.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Faith = Restored
Not that I really doubted Zduriencik, but still
Sportszilla - July 31, 2009
From Kevin Goldstein
Link
Kinslerhomer - July 31, 2009
and
.
Kinslerhomer - July 31, 2009
hmmmm
French’s avg FB has been 87.2…
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
Wooooo! Wooooo!
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I love you Jack!
Robert Lintott - July 31, 2009
MLBn still haven't settled on how to pronounce Robles' name.
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
Thanks Wash
Seriously. I know the guy is very, very well compensated to perform, so it’s not like doing well was some altruistic endeavor. But putting it together this year was a huge benefit to the team on the field, and apparently now to the team’s future by making himself a valuable trade piece.
Good luck in Motown dude. You done good.
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Hear, hear.
Teej - July 31, 2009
Well spoken
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
The only sad part about this is that Washburn isn't going into a situation where he'd absolutely get lit up
Poochie - July 31, 2009
He'll probably be in a pissy mood for a couple starts and pitch poorly as a result
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Why be pissy?
He’s now on a winner :)
msb - July 31, 2009
He's actually moving close to home, to pennant race, and in a big ballpark with Granderson flanking him
As long as Guillen stays on the DL he should be ecstatic
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Salk mentions that he spoke to him and that he's a bit disappointed because he wanted to stay in Seattle
He’ll be happy for the reasons you mentioned, but I’m just saying it may take him a start or two to adjust
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Carlos Guillen's been DH'ing all week.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
stick a fork in Washburn
without Rob Johnson, he is done
don gato - July 31, 2009
GOOD POINT!
After two bad August Washburn starts, we should offer his personal catcher in a deal for Porcello.
Attractive Nuisance - July 31, 2009
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Ahahahaah his tRA is better than Washburns
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
I know right
Poochie - July 31, 2009
French is running a 9.1% swinging strike rate in the majors over his stint so far!
abender20 - July 31, 2009
That's not actually very good
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
What is Washburn's?
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
7.4
Poochie - July 31, 2009
7.4% this year.
andrewgolfsalot - July 31, 2009
Oh whoops I thought you meant swinging strikeout percentage
That is good!
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Yay~!
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Does the tilde mean you have a rough approximation of excitement?
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
It's pronounced Yayyeh
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Yiddish?
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
It was a Spanish joke.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Drat
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Dave, please go on ESPN radio today, and whip Brock and Salk into shape.
This is such a great move, but those two guys are going to be bitching bigtime
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
He's a rookie with a mid 3 ERA.
How can they complain?
JMKaustin - July 31, 2009
No, the link Graham provided to Salk's blog makes him sound like he thinks it's a good trade
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Did you hear Salk giving Brock shit for Brock giving his evaluation of the Snell/Wilson trade as a number grade and not, as Salk preferred, as a letter grade.
Classic stuff.
ImaginaryRomances - July 31, 2009
"Robles strikes out a lot of people. His swinging strikeout rate is 23%. "
…in high A ball. What does that project to in the majors?
Spoomeister - July 31, 2009
A lot
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Is there someplace that has a standard formula / rule of thumb? couldn't find such in fangraphs
Spoomeister - July 31, 2009
Just look at the leaderboards for each league to get an idea of what's good and what isn't
23% is Kyle Drabeky. Drabek is one of the best prospects going right now.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Think Z is done now?
ManifestDestiny - July 31, 2009
Victor Martinez... Victor Martinez... Victor Martinez...
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Drayer commented "I do not believe that this will be the only move made by the Mariners today. Stay tuned."
msb - July 31, 2009
Who else is going?
Branyan? Could they find someone to take a chance on Bedard? I Hope to god they find a trade for Bedard.
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
He's on the DL so can't be dealt.
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
Bedard, that is.
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
Wasn't Yuni on the DL?
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
He was already rehabbing
bamfor - July 31, 2009
But he was rehabbing..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
He was rehabbing, I think.
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
Yuni was being loaned out to the Tacoma Zoo at the time of the trade
Robert - July 31, 2009
He's no Ken Griaffey Jr
Poochie - July 31, 2009
So close..
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Bahahaha.
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
You weren't even at that event when it happened.
Robert - July 31, 2009
Jeff was kind enough to write a recap
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Awesome
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
He was rehabbing.
But yeah, you’re right about that.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
We could have simultaneously activated and traded him
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Rehab
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Possibly Mark Lowe or Sean White (Jayson Stark was mentioning Lowe to Dodgers rumors last night).
Decatur - July 31, 2009
They have Sherrill now, so I doubt they'd need Lowe
msb - July 31, 2009
They were thinking about trading Kershaw for Cliff Lee
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I agree, but this was after Sherril was traded.
It’s just rumors though, but the Dodgers do have a pretty silly front office.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
MLBTR was saying the Dodgers wanted to pick up two relievers.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Yes the are a shining beacon of legitimate journalism
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Yeah, but it was probably a link to an ESPN article
Here it is. It mentions Lowe.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I thought you can't trade players on the DL
Robert - July 31, 2009
Bedard's DL'd. I think that means he can't get traded.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I think Branyan would be unlikely
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I would think the bullpen guys are going to get shipped around
Lowe, Batista, White…
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Morrow, perhaps?
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Maybe the White Sox need a center fielder
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I don't think Morrow has the range for center, myself.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
No I mean, we have a centerfielder to sell who is familiar with Chicago
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Griffey?
Faux - July 31, 2009
duh
Poochie - July 31, 2009
hay hay
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 31, 2009
Kenji Johjima for 14 cedar bats and a bag of catfish
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Mmmmm
Catfish.
calim - July 31, 2009
Zduriencik is good at his job.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
This should be more than enough to keep Felix happy too!
ralphie81 - July 31, 2009
They're surprisingly thrilled.
Reading Bless You Boys, Detroit fans are happy about this too.
katal - July 31, 2009
Because for some reason they think Jarrod Washburn is good
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Shiny ERA, Shiny ERA!
ralphie81 - July 31, 2009
Awww
Shiny ERA indeed
bamfor - July 31, 2009
Haha.
katal - July 31, 2009
That whole thread
is full of epic fail
cyberwulf - July 31, 2009
Eh, there's a fangraph reference in there.
Pretty much the one guy.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Yeah
But doesn’t his summary of Dave’s opinion imply (wrongly) that the trade was even?
cyberwulf - July 31, 2009
For a moment I thought you were asking for my opinion on Dave Cameron's article.
That was a good laugh! Then I read it correctly.
Beats me, from their perspective it’s a good pitcher who’s going to keep you in games, for the stretch. From my perspective we got some arms for awhile. I’d be a bit pissed off if I was a Detroit fan.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
I was about to say something about giving Tigers fans the benefit of the doubt
But then I saw that exact post. Yeesh.
Nadingo - July 31, 2009
Also,
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Their excitement
Is the kind you have when you are in a pennant race. Good trade for us. I like it because we can stay in the hunt in 2009 with it. But I’d also trade our excitement for theirs, misplaced as it may be.
Of course, it we were in the Central…
Mr.Phelps - July 31, 2009
They think he projects as a Type A free agent.
What?
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
How is he not a Type A?
Especially based on his ERA this year, and his IP over the last few seasons? I thought that being a Type A was pretty easy, I remember last year some Type A’s who were pretty much garbage players till making the list
Of course maybe they changed the rules or I’m mistaken…
BQueezy - July 31, 2009
They take more than this year into consideration.
He’s fourth from the bottom in terms of Type B guys.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
IP, ERA, K's, Wins, Win% for SP
all over the last 2 years. I think it’s top 20% of players in each grouping (SP, RP, C, 1B/OF, SS/2B/3B), usually around 16 or 17 make Type A. Washburn is a Type B right now (the next 16-17 or so), but he could definitely slip out of Type B to nothing over the rest of the season fairly easily.
Not to mention you have to offer him arbitration in order to get any comp picks, which he would probably accept, and would make in the ballpark of 13-15M.
Terminator X - July 31, 2009
Yeah exactly so offering him arbitration is kind of a lose lose deal for them, just as it would have been for us.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Perhaps now we can stop threatening to turn on Z simply because we don't like the leaks that we hear from other organization
This is the way the organization has decided to run and it has lead to a nearly spotless track record.
Robert - July 31, 2009
Cameron's Analysis
Up on Fangraphs.
TroutMask - July 31, 2009
Thanks for the heads up.
Heading there now before that site crashes again, too.
katal - July 31, 2009
Short version
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
davidcameron - July 31, 2009
Long version:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
I LOVE YOU NEW FRONT OFFICE! DON’T EVER LEAVE!
MFAN - July 31, 2009
Awesome trade guys. It's semi-rebuilding and getting better in the present at the same time. Thanks goodness for Safeco and Endy/Gutierrez/Ichiro/Langerhans? So my question
is…what was with the Snell/Wilson deal? That doesn’t seem like a rebuilding move…
Pat Andriola - July 31, 2009
It's a 2010 move
Setting up for contention next year
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
We have a much better ML roster than four days ago
and Beltre is due back within a week
We’ve bought
Poochie - July 31, 2009
We've bought with next year in mind rather than this year
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Which makes it even better!
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Snell's still pretty young
and Wilson provides great defense and helps to bridge the gap until we get someone to replace him long-term.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Another thing is (likely) losing Griffey/Sweeney
GMZ + Wak seem to like having high-character veterans around, so assuming Griffey and Sweeney are gone, Wilson steps into that role – as well as being a good glove.
And Snell’s young and potentially under team control for several years at reasonable salaries if we elect to pick up his options.
saltydog75 - July 31, 2009
Any money exchanged in this deal? Do the Tigers take on the remaining of Washburn's salary?
brian_sun - July 31, 2009
I'd imagine we're eating the salary
Poochie - July 31, 2009
This deal didn't actually happen as Washburn has no trade value
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
You confused me.
brian_sun - July 31, 2009
No Wilkin Ramirez, but thats okay.
Oh YES!
Goodbye you Big Blond Bearded Bum!
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
Woud anyone doubt that Z has a young shortstop on his that can be had for a significantly lower price than Brignac would've cost?
ImaginaryRomances - July 31, 2009
Me
because I don’t see anyone like that out there.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Here is the report on it from ....
the Freep
“Washburn gives the Tigers something they have lacked: a veteran left-handed starter. Such a pitcher is especially valuable at Comerica Park, with its big expanse of left-center that makes power-hitting more difficult for all the right-handed hitters who tend to play against left-handed pitching.”
msb - July 31, 2009
I love how they have no recollection of how badly they destroyed him in 2008
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
FTFY
“Such a pitcher is especially valuable at
Comerica ParkSafeco Field, with its big expanse of left-center that makes power-hitting more difficult for all the right-handed hitters who tend to play against left-handed pitching."cyberwulf - July 31, 2009
For which they gave up a rookie left-handed starter who's pitched equally well this year.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
The best part is how this was announced shortly after I got out of bed
Poochie - July 31, 2009
The best part is how it was announced that he was traded and my internet then immediately crashed
Robert - July 31, 2009
You host USS Mariner?
Color me impressed.
TheEmrys - July 31, 2009
Well I do until September.
Robert - July 31, 2009
I think it's funny that the national media seems to hate this deal.
They seem to have a hard time with the fact that Jarrod Washburn is…well…Jarrod Washburn
Stephen Schmidt - July 31, 2009
I'm happy we didn't trade for a Yankee.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Austin Jackson?
They says he’s off limits, but I dunno…
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
I kind of liked some of the Yankees prospects, but Jack seems to want
young ML ready players. So getting a package of young prospects wasn’t too likely.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
It's pretty impressive that Jack basically turned Washburn into a 23-year-old who we control for many more years and a high upside minor leaguer.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
The Yankees say they wanted Wash
But then they say all of the prospects that anyone would ever want is off limits… I don’t think they wanted him that much.
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
I'm so happy to come on here and see the comment
" “awesome awesome awesome awesome”
ARock - July 31, 2009
.
MFAN - July 31, 2009
.
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Look behind you, a cheese-eating surrender monkey!
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Also per MLBTR and ESPN
Gammons said that SIX different teams have called GMZ in the last day to inquire about Felix. Supposedly GMZ said that there was nothing worth talking about…
tkballer22 - July 31, 2009
I'd listen to an Utley/Werth/Rollins/Lee/Drabek package
Poochie - July 31, 2009
If they throw in the money to pay some of those salaries, sure.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
I want nothing to do with Jimmy Rollins
Sportszilla - July 31, 2009
I'm ok with having black players on the team
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Stick to player
Griffey fills our quota
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Snell will double our quota once he gets the call.
appleshampoo - July 31, 2009
Exactly
Quotas are in place for a reason, going a little over is fine but triple, quadruple? That’s when you start hurting your team
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
wut
Robert - July 31, 2009
NO NO NO NO NO
Robert - July 31, 2009
DOUBLE HELL NO
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT I SAY HELL YES
and I say that knowing full well nobody will give up enough to make the trade worthwhile from Z’s perspective.
pdb - July 31, 2009
Oh! That reminds me, the Price is Right is on!
Thanks!
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
Only worth watching if it's a rerun..
Drew Carey sucks as a host
d0nkey - July 31, 2009
He's getting a lot better though.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
A turd sandwich gets a little better with a tomato on it.
But it’s still a turd sandwich.
d0nkey - July 31, 2009
I love Jack.
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
As great as Felix is, I think you have to listen to the offers.
If we got a Bedard+ like package for Felix, you’d have to think about it.
There are still GMs out there who are willing to sell their soul for a #1 SP.
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
No, even that wouldn't be enough
Felix el Rey is at least as talented, younger, putting it all together, and — here’s the big one — doesn’t have a serious injury history.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
I don't know. The future in Texas looks as good as it ever has right now thanks to one trade. If we could get a package that was better than that one in some way, and it pains me to say that about Felix, but we'd have to consider it.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Yeah, but Teixeira was a *far* less valuable player.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Exactly.
So presumably we’d be able to get a far more valuable return. Imagine getting our version of Andrus and Feliz. If you get an offer with a top-5 prospect, a top 15 prospect, a top 50 prospect and a handful of A-ball live arms/toolsy fielders, you have to seriously consider that trade, especially if the top two prospects are at positions of need (SP and SS, say)
Terminator X - July 31, 2009
I am going to guess that when Jeff posted the french flag last week during the Washburn start
He was trying to imply to us that we were going to surrender him to the Tigers. Good job Sullivan, Thank you for continuing to provide us with inside information.
Robert - July 31, 2009
Also...
I wonder who will be this trading deadline’s Woody Woodward….
I need a closer..no wait two closers….here take my best prospects please…….
I was secretly hoping that would be the case with Washburn that we would wait until the last hour and fleece the shit out of some team….I guess we were able to do that early in the day instead!
tkballer22 - July 31, 2009
Anyone else a "fan" of the Seattle Mariners facebook page?
The comments on the trade are absolute GOLD. Just hilarious.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/posted.php?id=33054718978&share_id=69478234944&comments=1#s69478234944
Craig Powers - July 31, 2009
I read the comments on a Washburn post on Facebook once.
Never again.
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
I like this one:
Decatur - July 31, 2009
I've been SO tempted to straighten those people out
But it would just be a terrible, terrible mess.
Those people are insane.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Me too.
It’s just not worth it. You could be at it for hours and it would not help.
Craig Powers - July 31, 2009
Don't do it don't do it don't do it. It's 10000x worse than Baker's blog. The first comment I read on Baker's blog by the way:
That’s nice. Where’s the bat?
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
My Favorite
“What a waste….Does this mean the Mariners have officially thrown in the towel for 2009 and I should quit watching and get ready for Seahawks season?!?!?! I think so….”
God I hate people like that!
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
No no...
“Lookin like Jack Z’s first ‘Bavasi’, but who knows?”
HAHAHAHHAHAA
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
what i hate most about these people is...
When we win like 8 games in a row and are right back in it…they’ll hop back on the bandwagon like they never left…..
tkballer22 - July 31, 2009
I like the guy who was mad because we traded for a guy whose name he could not pronounce.
I wish he was our GM.
Craig Powers - July 31, 2009
FRENCH. It rhymes with WRENCH
Doesn’t seem that difficult
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Just the pure expectation that wins and ERAs are all that matters
Unreal.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
The comments on Dave's Fangraphs post are similarly hilarious
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
I love TRUE baseball fans.
Those who don’t need stats. They know a good ballplayer when they see him.
Craig Powers - July 31, 2009
Like Dayton Moore.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
How do people who think ERA is good even find Fangraphs?
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
I'd love to get in on the humor...
Unfortunately both Fangraphs and USSM have apparently exploded.
Jer Bear - July 31, 2009
Go to the M's Facebook page - it's *amazing*.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
I am just glancing through those comments again..
It’s like a train wreck!
“our GM is a faggot and should be taken out back and shot”
Uhhh…..?
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
/[insert crazy homoerotic paean and offer our ourselves to GMZ]
Decatur - July 31, 2009
this is a shitty trade u dumb ass fuckers
Teej - July 31, 2009
I just read that one too!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
And they have to use their real names, too!
“damnit wat a dumb ass move go get some sluggers take from the phillies they seem to be buyers lets go get ur fuckin heads in the right direction stupid gm wow lets go get lik a ryan howard or somthing”
msb - July 31, 2009
This is like the guy on a basketball message board who argued that UCLA just needed one player to put them over the top
or as he put it, “a Kobe Bryant type, someone who can shoot well, drive well, pass, play elite defense, get rebounds and make everyone around him better.”
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
Well, was he wrong?
Lanky - July 31, 2009
not the point
does that player exist? Is that player available? Can a deal be made?
Fans of every baseball team want an Albert Pujols or a Roy Halladay. What most people that call in to talk radio don’t get is that you can’t expect to trade for Pujols-level talent with Washburn-level trade pieces.
pdb - July 31, 2009
That reminds me of the guy that starts off with one paper clip and winds up with a house.
That’s kind of how I view GMZ and the M’s. His red paper clip are the players he has to trade with when he arrived, almost as a separate entity from his drafts and minor league additions.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
That was really meant as a joke.
Lanky - July 31, 2009
I am having a very dense day today
That’s what I get for trying to work during my work day.
pdb - July 31, 2009
Was that a real one? Please tell me this is a direct quote, spelling and all
That is faaaaantastic.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
After reading LL for this whole season
I find that I can’t read any other message boards that I used to because of people who write like this. I used to, but it just hurts my brains now. Thanks LL, thank you so very much.
d0nkey - July 31, 2009
I can't make stuff like that up.
msb - July 31, 2009
That is pretty much the quote of the year
pdb - July 31, 2009
I think the best part is that he picked a guy who isn't even particularly good
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
Without looking, I bet he has a lot of RBI's.
Shows what you know, git ur haid out of ur ass
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
I thought in our more compassionate modern society
We no longer have to take them out back, they can be shot in the front yard just like everyone else
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Rec'd for snide social commentary
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
bahahahahha
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
Classic.
“Instead of everyone being upset about playoffs, think about this really quick. WE LOST 104 GAMES LAST YEAR! No one expected us to even be in the hunt. "
Terminator X - July 31, 2009
Oh don't I wish.
Seriously, though, that’s a pretty reasonable opinion.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Definitely a fairly reasonable opinion.
There was actually more reasonable opinion after it as well, I just liked the 104 games part.
Terminator X - July 31, 2009
Well now I'm dumber...
dbroncos31 - July 31, 2009
So I want to be the first to put this out there.
Odds of Washburn returning to Seattle for 2010?
0%
10%
25%
50%
75%
90%
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
Zero.
It isn’t happening.
katal - July 31, 2009
0
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Depends if he signs with an American League team or not
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Do we play the east or the central?
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Central
I’m guessing Chicago, St Louis and Milwaukee are coming here.
Robert - July 31, 2009
I want to add "firstbase" to the list of positions I've seen Albert Pujols play at Safeco Field
So far I’ve been able to cross off RF, LF, and SS in person, and 3B and 2B on tv
Poochie - July 31, 2009
In this scenario LAAAA gets PIT/HOU/CIN, right?
Faux - July 31, 2009
Slightly more than zero
Poochie - July 31, 2009
25%..he did credit Adair for ‘fixing’ him
tkballer22 - July 31, 2009
I would say 0
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
10%
He’ll get a better deal from a dumber FO.
The chance is not zero because he and Boras know he benefits from Safeco and the defense.
TrashiDawa - July 31, 2009
I expect about 25%
He does like it here.
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
It all depneds on how far the Tigers get
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
No it doesn't
Poochie - July 31, 2009
If the Tigers make the ALCS or the World Series and offer Wash an extension, he's going to have a hard time leaving
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
Not if someone else offers him more money
Poochie - July 31, 2009
It sure helped with Freddy Garcia.
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
He is close to retirement, has a family, Detroit is not a place people want to live, and he can go after money or sign a sweetheart deal close to home (Milwaukee) or whatever.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
If he maintains his current peformance level in Detroit he should be in line for a nice contract. That won't be with the M's.
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
ERA is not a measure of pitcher performance
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
For Boras it is.
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
By whatever measure you like, his performance level was good enough for teams to want him in a trade
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
No, the team run prevention when he was pitching was good enough for teams to want him
There is a huge difference
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Perceived value is value, however you slice it
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Right, but his perceived value is decoupled from his actual performance
So if he keeps up said performance he’s not actually very good.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
Fair enough. I'll rephrase to say, "If he continues to be the starting pitcher during games his team wins."
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
I think lv's point is about how Wash's results translate to value on the trade market.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
The ERA is not Washburn's result, is my point.
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
But the market doesn't really care
Jeff Sullivan - July 31, 2009
Which was lemonverbena's point, I think.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Yes
Weird disagreement.
Jeff Sullivan - July 31, 2009
Semantics, it seemed
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Existentialism
If a tree falls in the forest, does Jarrod Washburn have trade value
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Bill Hasselman is saying there's a pretty good chance!
Also, is 710 always like this?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
No, usually worse.
The HERD.
ralphie81 - July 31, 2009
He mailed it in.
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
That show sucks so much.
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Hopefully 0%. We just got his projected production going forward in the form of French.
Why pay Washburn 8 million dollars next year, when that money can be used elsewhere to improve the club
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Oh my!
August 18th, 19th, and 20th!!!
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
So who's next to go?
I wouldn’t mind moving Branyan as long as he re-signs next year. He could do us one more favor by bringing in a few good prospects. I wish we had known San Fran was giving away Alderson, maybe we could’ve made a deal.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Bullpen arms probably..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
What wonderful news to wake up to!
SethGrandpa - July 31, 2009
I deem this trade good.
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Heh
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Where's this from?
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Headline from Foxsports.com
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Please link your sources in this thread
Robert - July 31, 2009
Please shut the fuck up and kiss my balls
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Link?
Robert - July 31, 2009
The kissing IS the link.
Robert Lintott - July 31, 2009
drat
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Your dainty lips
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Of course ESPN gets Steve Phillips
to defend Detroit’s side of the trade.
Patton - July 31, 2009
Haha, was about to say the same thing.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
Was Steve Phillips even a good GM?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Kazmir for Victor Zambrano!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
I think that was Duquette.
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
Gah!
Whoops.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
No it was Phillips...
SebastianPruiti - July 31, 2009
Wasn't it?
SebastianPruiti - July 31, 2009
No, Duquette took over for Phillips and then made that deal..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Definitely Duquette
esoteric - July 31, 2009
Which eventually culminated in this sub-thread
Perhaps the greatest long term return on a trade, of all time.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Mo Vaugn!
SebastianPruiti - July 31, 2009
Hey now!
ThundaPC - July 31, 2009
Z on Felix
SebastianPruiti - July 31, 2009
I imagine those calls had some pretty hefty names being discussed.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
It would have to seriously out-do a Halladay-type package.
Drabek, Taylor, Brown, Donald, Carrasco, Happ…
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Agreed...Just because he is so young...
SebastianPruiti - July 31, 2009
From Philly, you lead with Lee/Utley and go from there
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Cliff Lee?
He wouldn’t be as interesting considering his contract has to be up soon, doesn’t it? Drabek/Happ would be better than Lee.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
He has a 2010 option
and after that, we have the $$$ to extend him. He’s good enough to be plenty interesting.
But yes, I’d insist on Drabek, too. :)
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
The moon and the planets and everythin else in the solar system.
russak - July 31, 2009
I do not like this no I do not
This is like when you go into a bar with your significant other and people immediately start trying pick them up. I know they aren’t going anywhere but still this is unnerving. I’m the jealous sort.
Robert - July 31, 2009
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Robert - July 31, 2009
When is Bill Bavasi going to stop shitting in our lunch?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Last June
Poochie - July 31, 2009
But if you are secure in yourself
and you and your significant other haven’t had a bunch of drug-fueled threeways, then you are happy that she gets her attractiveness reaffirmed. And she sees that you are confident and that you trust her. Then, she comes home with you, feeling hot and a little buzzed, and fucks your brains out. Everybody wins!
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Felix has thus far declined my requests for intercourse
Robert - July 31, 2009
I'm with you here, Robert.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Nice analogy.
katal - July 31, 2009
Brignac, Escobar, Grienke, Pujols, Adam Jones, Mauer, Wright, Halladay, Lincecum, Sandoval, and Haren.
That would be a fair trade. All of them for Felix.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
And money.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Yes, and money.
After they are all signed to 7-year contracts.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
Maybe only 4 years for Halladay.
But they have to pick up for a personal trainer for Pablo.
Faux - July 31, 2009
He could pitch for a different team every night
SebastianPruiti - July 31, 2009
Not enough.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Z: "Hello, Friedman? No on Longo + Crawford + cash? Oh, well I guess we have nothing to talk about."
Faux - July 31, 2009
You forgot Wade Davis or David Price
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Yes. Felix Hernandez is OUR Evan Longoria, so why would we consider trading him for anything less?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I would takle Longoria for Felix straight up and do a backflip.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Robert would kill you dead before your feet hit the ground.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Are you frigging kidding me?
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Nope
Have you seen Longoria’s contract?
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
I would take Longoria for Felix straight up in 2 seconds. He isn't making NEAR what he is worth and he's like an Adrian Beltre that can hit.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
I think I would have to fly up to Seattle and burn Safeco to the ground if they traded Felix
Call me an irrational crazy person if you want.
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
You're an irrational crazy person!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
No. You seem coldly rational and forward-thinking about this.
You’re not getting off on insanity.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
Too much steel and concrete
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
I think there might be a way. I don't think the whole thing would burn to the ground, but I could seriously eff it up.
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
Thermite
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Crash an airplane into it
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Junior hitting a GS home run to clinch a playoff series win should do it.
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
That would make me cry.
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
French needs a gimmicky nickname for one of his off-speed pitches.
appleshampoo - July 31, 2009
French Toss?
Ben Tumbling - July 31, 2009
Napolean. French Cannon. boulet de canon
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Le Baggette
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
The porpise?
levnclf - July 31, 2009
I don't think "The Cheese" will work so well for a soft tossing lefty...
Faux - July 31, 2009
French dip
w00tah - July 31, 2009
My pick.
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
Le dauphin
cyberwulf - July 31, 2009
The Bastille Bender
i say
saltydog75 - July 31, 2009
Jean-Luc Pitch-Hard
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Haha...oh that's terrible.
And rec’d.
Omerta - July 31, 2009
YES
appleshampoo - July 31, 2009
Although that works better as a nickname for French himself
appleshampoo - July 31, 2009
As would Dauphin.
msb - July 31, 2009
Changes-Élysées
Robert Lintott - July 31, 2009
Freedom Fries.
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
Bureau de change?
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
Changeup
Robert - July 31, 2009
The Maginot Line
Faux - July 31, 2009
More like Faginot line, amirite?
Robert Lintott - July 31, 2009
Or Vaginot line.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
That was going to be my contribution
but then I realized it didn’t make any sense.
Kudos for typing it anyway.
Omerta - July 31, 2009
Now that I think about it
It’s a shame that Beltre’s not French, because that nickname would be perfect for him. Just like the real Maginot Line, nothing’s getting past Beltre. It’s just a shame that the enemy had no problem going around it (i.e. going around Beltre by hitting the ball towards Yuniesky).
katal - July 31, 2009
Yuni was the Belgian frontier :(
Decatur - July 31, 2009
And anagrammer gives us:
Heckler Fun
Cheer Flunk
Rec He Flunk
Rec Elf Hunk
Luck Fern Eh
Le Ref Chunk
PositivePaul - July 31, 2009
Le Chunk
A French twist on a Goonies reference!
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
Make him do the truffle shuffle before they let him out of the bulpen door
d0nkey - July 31, 2009
Elf Hunk, Rec
Almost homo enough for LL.
Faux - July 31, 2009
I thought his name was Lucas not Luke?
Eyeball Kid - July 31, 2009
The Tickler.
joof - July 31, 2009
Here's some more Tiger fan reaction if you care.
http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/74494-jarrod-washburn-has-been-traded-tigers-details-come.html
Toxicadam - July 31, 2009
Is this true about Beltre?
He said this to Jack Wilson?
Beltre is the best ever.
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
Holy shit that's AMAZING
Where is that from?
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Beltre reads LL?!
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
Wow. Awesome. How can I personally rec Adrian Beltre?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Oh please re-sign Beltre.
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
Link?
Mariner Melee - July 31, 2009
This isn't a real quote
It’s a joke photo caption that Baker had in one of his recent posts.
okdan - July 31, 2009
Damn!
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I was looking for the source...
dang that would have been hysterical.
PLU Tim - July 31, 2009
Holy crap!!
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Balls.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
I hope this is more a Yuni slam than a :(edeno slam
Poochie - July 31, 2009
Me too.
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
Lets see
Doyle Alexander was 36 when the Braves traded him to the Tigers, Washburn is 34. Alexander pitched 206 innings that year, Washburn is on pace for 211. Washburn is on pace for 125 strikeouts, Alexander had 126 strikeouts the next year.
Yep it looks like Lucas French or Maurcio Robles have about a 90% chance to turn into a player about the caliber of John Smoltz
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Can't argue with cold hard logic!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Washburn is two years younger, on pace for 5 more innings, and 1 less strikeout (which for Washburn works like golf, the less the better)
So let’s up that to 98%
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Thank you Washburn for your contributions this year.
Please return your salary in full for the previous three.
Omerta - July 31, 2009
Ya pays your money, ya takes your chances
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
French comes in for Washburn, Snell comes in for Olsen (hopefully) It's a good day, the rotation doesn't suffer at all.
And just by trading Jarrod Washburn, we know Jack Z could give a shit about ERA and probably reads Dave Cameron and LL.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
We know that the Mariners front office reads Lookout Landing and USSM (that M's front office guy who made the fanshot and his brother's wedding this winter said so).
But GMZ didn’t need anyone outside the M’s organization to tell that trading Washburn was imperative.
Decatur - July 31, 2009
That's awesome.
It’s just good to know he’s got that edge over the Detroit GM who obviously likes shiny things only.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I think we realized that Z doesn't care about ERA when he traded for Aardsma.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
As long as we don't start calling frenchy 'baby wash'
I am good with this trade. Thanks for a great year Jarrod. So long… and thanks for all the fish.
Whoopetydoo - July 31, 2009
From the BTF chat:
Jeff Sullivan: In honor of Jonah I’m actually wearing my Expos shirt right now.
Dave Cameron: In honor of Tony Benazard, I am not wearing a shirt.
I love happy Dave.
Teej - July 31, 2009
I wonder if he is swinging it around
Jeff Sullivan - July 31, 2009
Over his head, like a helicopter?
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
Seattle Mariners, come on and raise up, take your shirt off, twist it round your hand, spin it like a helicopter.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
The image in my head is glorious.
Today is a great day.
Teej - July 31, 2009
Which is surprising, seeing how laid-back he usually is.
Coach Owens - July 31, 2009
.
Poochie - July 31, 2009
I don't think he is trying kiss them!
Robert - July 31, 2009
Tony!
Eyebrows - July 31, 2009
Hahaha
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
This is one of the best gifs ever.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
I want to know the story behind it.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
It is a set-up, obviously.
The guy sitting next to him taps his head. And the guy behind him is playing along.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
That's what I thought, but I secretly wanted it to just be some insane kid.
Funny either way.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
I think ripping off your shirt before you hit someone indicates some mild loss of sanity.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
It's totally sane. You don't want to get blood on your white shirt, do you?
Lanky - July 31, 2009
The shirt coming off!!!
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
It's Tony Bernazard!
Big Jared - July 31, 2009
Over/under before Washburn throws G. Laird under a bus?
I’d say 5 starts before the bloom is off the rose.
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
Latest Baker blog says Robles was the key
Source calls him top-5 prospect in the system
Also has a link to a Detroit news commentary about how losing Robles could hurt.
Interesting.
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Tigers are as thin of a system that you can get
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Do I really have to work today? Fack.
lemonverbena - July 31, 2009
Geoff Baker likes it.
Maybe many of the fans will breathe sigh of relief.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I can't believe the Tigers fans are so happy about this.
Makes me wonder if we could’ve finagled another player. But this was still a great trade for us.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
Best to take a good deal than blow it trying for a great deal.
This is a good deal. Be happy.
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
I really, really want a hitter. But yeah, had to take it without risking blowing it. The cost of keeping Jarrod was too high.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
This organization needs pitching depth.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
And to announce the signing of Ackley.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
Ackley and Poythress are a good start. I'm just sick of not bringing up a great hitter since... A-Rod?
Lopez has been the closest thing, unless I’m forgetting someone.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Felix?
PDXTai - July 31, 2009
Adam Jones?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
When was the last "great pitcher" we brought up? Felix.
Great players are rare.
abender20 - July 31, 2009
I'm not upset about it.
I am happy.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
Wait Softy loves this deal
Does not compute on any level ever. I have literally not ever been more confused.
Robert - July 31, 2009
There was a good caller on 710 that amazed me hearing that kind of stuff on the radio.
w00tah - July 31, 2009
But Brock is still verbally stroking Washburn's penis.
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Brock needs to stick to Football, he knows absolutly nothing about Baseball
GoCougs - July 31, 2009
It's funny when he forces an analogy that compares football to baseball
tootthekazoo - July 31, 2009
I cringe at the random contract numbers he throws out there for potential free agent deals.
You can almost see Salk giving him a “what the hell are you talking about” look.
Omerta - July 31, 2009
Brock has his role in the baseball talk (playing casual fan devil's advocate type) and he's great at it.
He’s obviously not as good as Salk, but he’s not as clueless as he sounds. Honestly he’s impressed me almost as much as Salk.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Now a caller called Jack Z. "Jack Bavasi"
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Did Salk let him have it?
BrianL - July 31, 2009
Yes.
ralphie81 - July 31, 2009
I like that Mike Salk is good at his job.
BrianL - July 31, 2009
heh.
Salk: Did you like the Bedard trade?
Angry Caller who hates “unproven” players: Yes, until he started getting hurt all the time.
msb - July 31, 2009
Yeah, but Salk and Brock still dont like the trade.
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Hopefully Salk gets on LL during the commercials
abender20 - July 31, 2009
I like how Bavasi is joining the ranks of Mariner cursewords
alongside Woodward (not Chris), Schooler, Ayala, and A-Rod
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Wait, really?
That…does not seem right.
BrianL - July 31, 2009
So now that O. Cabrera's a Twin,
is there anyone the A’s could possibly sell? Maybe Jack Cust?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Anderson?
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
Michael Wuertz
Adam Kennedy, Bobby Crosby (if there is interest), Raja Davis,
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
I forgot about Crosby.
He’d make sense, given his contract (up at the end of the year, millions).
Would anyone really want Rajai Davis?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
And if they want to dump their bullpen, maybe someone would take Russ Springer.
Their only big-money contracts are:
Chavez, Crosby, Giambi, Duchsherer (little interest, I’d guess)
Ellis, (won’t trade)
Kennedy, Springer (could still leave)
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I love that thanks to Jack Z
I no longer live in fear on my birthday
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
I'd say happy birthday, but I know it already is. I'll save it for next year.
andrewgolfsalot - July 31, 2009
Not so fast.
Wilder. - July 31, 2009
bahahaha
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
EVERYBODY HIDE TORII'S COMING
esoteric - July 31, 2009
YAY
royalcurve - July 31, 2009
You never know. The day's not over. Z might dump Lopez for a real Second Baseman.
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
Branyan, Morrow, Batista, Lowe.
I have to leave to run errands in a few minutes. The above are names I would not mind returning to find that we have traded.
katal - July 31, 2009
White?
Omerta - July 31, 2009
We could dump our whole bullpen this morning and I'd be okay with it.
(as long as we got something for DA)
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Truth.
Omerta - July 31, 2009
I was just kidding around with seattlebruin
It would make me sad to see Branyan go. I know we’re not going to the playoffs, but he sure makes games funner to watch.
InSpokane - July 31, 2009
I too love that man and would hate to see him go.
Does he have much of a trade value? It seems like it would be more valuable on the 2010 roster, rather than trading him
d0nkey - July 31, 2009
We'd have to resign him first.
Honestly though, I don’t expect him to have much of a trade value, being that he’s sat out practically all week.
katal - July 31, 2009
Wilson would love to get Freddy Sanchez ...
msb - July 31, 2009
I hope French is cosiderably better then Olson
That’s a lot of balls in the air
Trenchtown - July 31, 2009
Jack, you totally redeemed yourself!
I am so sorry I ever doubted you.
Goose - July 31, 2009
So, is Robles>Lorin?
Is that even a fair comparison?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
That's the impression I'm getting.
katal - July 31, 2009
Yes. He's pitching at a higher level with success and he's 2 years younger
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Ok, thanks.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Delayed reaction since I was on the road, but
WEEEEEEE I LOVE YOU GMZ
BrianL - July 31, 2009
Brock thinks now they have no chance to compete over the next 60 days.
And somehow they would have with one of the top-5 pitchers in baseball?
msb - July 31, 2009
VETERAN PRESENCE IS EVERYTHING YOU FOOL
pdb - July 31, 2009
Boy that sure is the theme of a lot of comments and callers.
msb - July 31, 2009
WITHOUT VETERAN PRESENCE THE M'S MIGHT AS WELL BE PLAYING CHECKERS
pdb - July 31, 2009
Belief system, belief system, belief system, belief system, belief system.
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Compete for what?
I swear to god a football player can boil everything down to a Hail Mary pass for the win.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
I think he is the only one who thinks
a Felix/Wash 1-2 punch is sooo great. He acts like there is no way Washburn regresses back to his career norm
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
The only one?
Hardly.
ralphie81 - July 31, 2009
Well maybe mainstream Seattle Mariner fans.
I just laugh when he says “Going into next year putting Washburn behind Felix, you know what you have”
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Oh, we know what we have alright.
Terminator X - July 31, 2009
This is the guy that is educating many young Seattle fans on baseball.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
So, that's it right? we're done?
or can they still announce something? Cause if we’re holding on to Branyan there is every reason to think he’s staying here another year or two.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
It's 1 p.m. local time..
Still have 2 hours left
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Deadline to file trade paperwork with the league is 1PM PT, so theoretically there's still time
dammit Bruin you and your fast little fingers.
pdb - July 31, 2009
My bad, sorry Sundevil
I’m just conditioned to see seattlebruin
pdb - July 31, 2009
YES!
The confusion continues!
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
I am not the only one
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 31, 2009
bahahahahahaha
seattlebruin - July 31, 2009
Devil
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 31, 2009
This is very ambiguous wording..
seattlesundevil - July 31, 2009
Purposefully
Kirsten Schlewitz - July 31, 2009
Oh I thought it was 1pm eastern
sweet thanks
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Plus, sometimes trades somehow get announced after the deadline.
I’d say by game time today, everything will probably be final.
Until the August 31 deadline.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Bedard can still move via waiver trade, no?
He’s owed some money and is a bit of a risk healthwise so they could try to sneak him through that way if he can some back for a bit. Not that I think he’d bring back much, but whatever comes back need to be better than a sandwich pick and we’re cool.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
I'd bet someone would take Bedard off waivers.
If he’s healthy, he’s owed about $3 mill.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Then we either work out a deal with them
or pull him back. No biggie.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Yeah, every team does this, right?
Like that time the Padres accidentally got that high-priced reliever?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
So can we say, so far, after the Washburn trade,
that thus far the moves being made in total is a plus?
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Yeah.
I feel better about the Snell/Wilson trade now in conjuction with this.
Goose - July 31, 2009
I don't want to say the Wash trade is a fleecing,
but holy crap did we get a lot for 2 months of Washburn.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
its a fleecing
think of it in terms of marginal wins. Washburn gives Detroit maybe 1.5 at best the rest of the way. French, even if he’s bad, will be worth six at least over his time here (I’m taking kind of a worst case scenario 1 WAR/season here) plus there’s Robles. Hell, if we put French in the pen and he pitches well we’ve still won.
The only way this could be justified is marginal wins cost more in a playoff race, but even so the Tigers have improved only by a fraction of a win by adding Wash.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
That's it, you've pushed me over the edge,
it’s a fleecing.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Did you watch last night's game?
We need French in the rotation.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I know, I'm just saying that even if he completely bombs he'll still give us more value than Washburn to the Tigers
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
What discount factor is applied to the value of a future win?
TheTank123 - July 31, 2009
That's a non sequitur
because French replaces Washburn. Snell replaces Olson.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
I was replying to:
“Hell, if we put French in the pen and he pitches well we’ve still won.”
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I don't know how 'safe' a prospect this Robles guy is
but the fact that we have a solid ML back end starter for the next several years makes the loss of Lorin Probanic etc pretty easy to bear. Remember, we still have Ramirez and Pineda. The way I see it is the major league club has gotten a good deal better, a little of our low minors SP depth has been sacrificed for AAA/AAAA starting depth, and the only valuable player we’ve surrendered is Clement.
Jack has been kicking ass and taking names.
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Im still holding out hope that Aumont goes back to the rotation.
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
I don't see why these two trades get grouped together.
There’s no clear link between them, except maybe Robles=the three minors arms we dealt.
It’s hard to find any fault in the Washburn trade, but easy to question the Snell deal.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
I don't know if Goose was so much connecting the trades,
just saying that what we got back for Wash definitely counter-balances the fact that we overpaid a bit of Snell/Wilson. In total it ends up being a positive.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Salk just can't balance what he sees as the "buy" mode of the WIlson trade vs the "sell" mode of the Wash trade.
msb - July 31, 2009
Because heaven forbid a team look at itself from all angles and improve both now and later
pdb - July 31, 2009
Long term?
Something for nothing with Washburn? At 2 months left on his contract… I don’t know it appears to be kind of obvious
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Yeah it really sucks when you try to see a shade of grey in the black-and-white-world doesn't it?
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
I meant the sum of everything equals long term.
I’m starting to think from the comments that this Salk guy wants the M’s to compete for the playoffs this year.
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
Bingo.
Altogether this has been a successful trade deadline for the team(assuming we don’t do anything else in the next 90 minutes).
Goose - July 31, 2009
I think you have to link them together because I think it's fairly obvious that Zduriencik has a plan.
Aaron Campeau - July 31, 2009
Ted Kieth is retarded.
Seriously.
andrewgolfsalot - July 31, 2009
That throwing the white towel line bugs the crap out of me.
Z would have to leverage the minor league system to get the players necessary to gain serious ground. If the kind of players necessary are even available, and even then the M’s future would still be in the hands of the Angels, they still have to lose games for us to gain ground. He starts chasing playoffs this year he’s throwing away wins in the future
Kermit. - July 31, 2009
A lot of people don't really understand how big of a deficit 8 games is to make up over 2 teams, even if this was like May.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Caller who thinks they sold too early-- why, look, the Angels are underdogs in Minnesota tonight
msb - July 31, 2009
So who takes Wash's roster spot?
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Snell or French.
MFAN - July 31, 2009
French is joing the team enroute, per Drayer, and likely will get a start this weekend
msb - July 31, 2009
I'm guess Snell takes Washburn's spot and French takes Olsen's spot.
Goose - July 31, 2009
Yeah, I expect both of them will be in the rotation shortly.
MFAN - July 31, 2009
Yeah
For now, French will stay in the bigs, Snell will stay in AAA.
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Huh?
Not likely Snell stays in AAA — not the way Olson’s last couple starts have gone.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
I expect Snell on Sunday
Jeff Sullivan - July 31, 2009
I guess that's French's day to pitch too
Jeff Sullivan - July 31, 2009
FIGHT
Bearskin Rugburn - July 31, 2009
Is this why Snell wasn't rushed to Tacoma?
w00tah - July 31, 2009
Robles was born in Valencia, Venezuela
Awesome.
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Lefty Felix!
I Lick Squirrels - July 31, 2009
Any idea who Boston sent to Cleveland for V Mart?
Kenny Knows Sports - July 31, 2009
Can you use the general deadline thread for this?
Graham MacAree - July 31, 2009
So why wasn't Robles on any prospect lists or anything?
Can’t find him, and he seems like quite a talent. Was he just too young or was something keeping him off BA’s/John Sickels lists?
Fuckmikereilly - July 31, 2009
Numbers last year weren't all that good. He's blown up this year.
Rudy4three - July 31, 2009
Well, Buster Olney says the Tigers made a good trade...
and calls Wash the “best pitcher in the AL over the last two months besides Mark Buerhle.”
Second thoughts anyone?
yuniform - July 31, 2009
(I hope no one says yes)
yuniform - July 31, 2009
Yes
If my first thought is, “I love this trade,” my second thought is, "This is why I don’t go to Buster Olney for analysis.
The Ancient Mariner - July 31, 2009
Luke French has a decent chance of pitching better in the the last 2 months of the season than Washburn.
That’s all I’ll say.
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
Summary for those that skipped to the end:
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
Faux - July 31, 2009
The more I think about this trade the better it sounds.
I am so so amazed at the 180 degree turn this organization has pulled. It feels so foreign, and so good, to have faith in the front office. I am just in awe. I’m going to Griffey bobblehead night next Friday and I think I’m just gonna make a sign that says “Thank you Jack Zduriencik.”
Zwakamatsu - July 31, 2009
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