Seattle: 78-72
Tampa Bay: 77-73
| MARINERS | RAYS |
EDGE | |
| HITTING (wOBA) |
-91.7 (30th) |
54.6 (5th) | TBA |
| FIELDING (UZR) |
76.2 (1st) |
58.0 (3rd) | SEA |
| ROTATION (pRAA) |
-36.0 (23rd) |
-6.4 (17th) | TBA |
| BULLPEN (pRAA) |
-24.6 (29th) |
-17.8 (23rd) | TBA |
| OVERALL(RAA) |
-76.1 | 88.4 | Tampa Bay |
So we took two out of three from the Yankees. You want another example of why the postseason is random? If this past series was a first round matchup, we would be up 2-1 and have Felix Hernandez available to pitch in one of the two remaining games. We would be something like 70% favorites to knock the Yankees, the best team in the American League by far, out of the playoffs.
Baseball has reached a decent conclusion that it takes roughly 162 games to determine whether a team deserves to make the playoffs or not. So much of that is because individual games are so largely influenced by non-deterministic factors and the individual pitching match up. NFL games, as a contrast, contain about ten times more information about the team's relative strengths as an individual baseball games. Which is why they play about 1/10th as many games. It's not the only reason of course, but each major sport generally settles at the number of games and playoff berths that produces the same probabilistic equations for standard deviation and variance when it comes to playoff qualification. It's just one of those things.
So then, it strikes me as weird how baseball willfully accepts such a flukey playoff system. And then it struck me as weird that we as a culture so readily accept the idea of playoffs at all. I would hope that most people acknowledge that the team with the best regular season record is most likely the most talented team that season.* So why playoffs? Entertainment is not logical.
* Exceptions made for blithering idiots who subscribe fully to "clutch", "getting things done when it counts", and other such drivel that belongs aside phrenology and alchemy.
Game 1: Ryan Rowland-Smith* vs. Jeff Niemann
Game 2: Brandon Morrow vs. TBA
Two game series. Apparently the second game seems likely started by either Wade Davis or Andy Sonnanstine, but whatever, Brandon Morrow is starting for us, so tune in if you like three ball counts.
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Way back before my time the best record in each league went straight to the World Series.
I’ll be those pennant races were way more intense than the ones we have now.
Sec 108 - September 22, 2009
I personally love the madness of the playoffs.
But it would be nice to see the team with the best record in each league get at least some sort of acknowledgment. A participation trophy or something.
Teej - September 22, 2009
A bye maybe
Poochie - September 22, 2009
Bowling shirts with their names on them!
pdb - September 22, 2009
Simpsons did it
Poochie - September 22, 2009
I'm trying to figure out why we as a culture seem so uniquely infatuated with postseason play
that is intentionally designed to be more random than the normal season.
Matthew - September 22, 2009
Because its fun
Poochie - September 22, 2009
That and I bet most fans will swear by the winning team being really the best team
Poochie - September 22, 2009
I like to think of it as separate from the regular season
The regular season tells you who’s the best. The playoffs are intended strictly for entertainment.
Jeff Sullivan - September 22, 2009
Yes, the playoffs are very much baseball played more like football
Once the offdays are added and the rotations are shortened, the nature of the game is changed
Poochie - September 22, 2009
It's pretty weird
Graham MacAree - September 22, 2009
Agreed.
I grew up with it, and I think there are situations where it may make sense – the NFL makes more sense to me, given the smaller number of regular season games coupled with severely imbalanced schedules. But baseball? I don’t get it, and I’d like to think I still wouldn’t get it even if 2001 had never happened.
marc w - September 22, 2009
In some sports
a playoff would actually help us determine who really is the best! (Cough)College Football(Cough)
But for pro sports I dunno.
bluemax - September 22, 2009
They'd work better if we didn't have conferences and divisions
Jeff Sullivan - September 22, 2009
I could sort of understand them in baseball before
when the two leagues were separate if you viewed them as a way of judging which of the best teams from each league is the best or whatever.
But now with interleague play does that even matter?
bluemax - September 22, 2009
Well, you'd have to settle the whole DH argument once and for all....
marc w - September 22, 2009
Already been done
Poochie - September 22, 2009
Match-ups
Generally, the idea of the postseason is the gather a certain number of teams with the best record and have them duke it out in an elimination system. We, as a culture, associate this as “finding out who the best of the best is”.
ThundaPC - September 22, 2009
But doesn't 162 games against every other team in the league
give a good idea of who the best team is? Why is “best of the best” preferable to “best of them all?”
pdb - September 22, 2009
So here's a question.
If say, the Dodgers win 102 games and the Yankees win 97 games. Do we just say the Dodgers are the best team in baseball?
ThundaPC - September 22, 2009
Or, to take something more concrete.
Were the 2008 Angels the best team in baseball (the only team with 100 wins)?
ThundaPC - September 22, 2009
I don't see why not.
Baseball doesn’t play a balanced schedule any more but you could make the case that most regular season wins = best team in baseball. This gets closer to my dream of returning to the day when there was no interleague play, a single winner from each league and those two teams met for the championship.
pdb - September 22, 2009
Were the Phillies?
Matthew - September 22, 2009
Nope!
Jeff Sullivan - September 22, 2009
This is why sports that put a premium on winning the league don't go in for conferences/divisions/imbalanced schedules.
marc w - September 23, 2009
How dare you...
…besmirch alchemy.
mw3 - September 22, 2009
Yeah, I'm not saying that Jeter 'knows how to get it done' or is uber-clutch, all I'm saying is that he really
brings the phlogiston, year in and year out.
marc w - September 22, 2009
Forget alchemy, Phrenology was a masterwork.
Faux - September 22, 2009
"The Seed (2.0)" changed my life.
Teej - September 22, 2009
How dare you act like a retarded little tit on USSM, get mod queued, and come over here?
Graham MacAree - September 22, 2009
THEY'RE SO MUCH BETTER THAN US
Jeff Sullivan - September 22, 2009
I think you better take a look at the standings mister
Poochie - September 22, 2009
They can even lose better than us!
ThundaPC - September 22, 2009
Our bad is twice as bad as our good
Faux - September 22, 2009
if baseball would just go to a point system like soccer
we wouldn’t have to worry about this playoff nonsense.
pdb - September 22, 2009
They do have knockout cup competitions in soccer
FA Cup, for instance.
But they have declined in glory.
The Champions League, which is very loosely analogous to the MLB system with league then knockout phases, has sapped a much of the excitement out of the old European Cup.
Colm - September 22, 2009
Draws!
EnglishMariner - September 22, 2009
i would be so mad to sit through
9 innings of Pirates v Mets and see a scoreless draw result.
pdb - September 22, 2009
I can't believe the season is already coming to an end
Dewey N - September 22, 2009
Yeah its pretty unbelievable
Poochie - September 22, 2009
I know, I'm dreading it.
EnglishMariner - September 22, 2009
Yeah, I don't even feel I get enough of my baseball fill as it is...
Even reading LL, USSM, Fangraphs, and Tango daily, watching M’s games and whatever other nationally televised games there are, and keeping up with 2 fantasy teams.
lailaihei - September 22, 2009
I will miss gamethreads as soon as I forget how terrible they were.
Robert - September 22, 2009
I already forgot,
but I’m sticking with the inertia of non-participation.
Matthew - September 22, 2009
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