Welcome to 2010, everyone. Gone to the gym yet? Are you having trouble coming up with some more resolutions to pay attention to for a week and then disregard? If so, boy are you lucky to have surfed here this afternoon because I will be providing you with a pair!
Over the past year, the sheer size of traffic that LL receives has grown tremendously. Despite a large increase in the number of users and comments, I think everyone did a fantastic job in working to keep the tone polite, the site informative and welcoming. Thank you.
The work isn't over though and with a better team, the trend of growth is only going to continue. In addition, some of the new traffic comes to us via sites like Yahoo!, and with the ease of joining SBN blogs, we're bound to face a tougher time maintaining the community standards that I think we all appreciate here. Pursuant to that, we have two suggestions for the community at large to assist us mods in continuing to foster our little garden of reason amidst the vast wasteland of the internet.
Situated east of the "reply" link in comment threads is the "actions" lin
k. On the screen capture provided to the right of this paragraph you can see the "actions" link highlighted and above that, an example of what happens when you click on it; the actions link goes away and is replaced by a couple other links: rec and flag. Don't worry about the delete or hide links, they only appear to those with super powers and a decoder ring.
Comments that get flagged appear to us in red just as comments that get five recs "go green" to everyone. That makes such comments very easy for us to spot when moderating threads and a great help when such threads are long. In addition, our moderation dashboard keeps track of all flags and creates a link directly to said comment via the subject line.*
In case you missed it being mentioned elsewhere, that's one of our biggest reasons for mandating subject lines on all comments. Without a subject, a comment can still be flagged, but we no longer are provided a direct link to it.
How do you flag a comment? Clicking on the flag link pops up an input box which you can use to spell out the reason you are flagging a comment. There is also a drop down with three choices: spam, troll or inappropriate. We don't really care about the category, as the display of the flag does not differ based on that choice, but we do appreciate a quick couple words or sentence explaining the reason for the flag. If you find yourself writing out paragraphs, you should probably just e-mail one or all of us.
Why, or when, should you flag a comment? Essentially, whenever a comment breaks a site rule* or violates one of the principles covered in:
here, such as LLLJ (see link for examples),
or here, such as: non-use of the reply link, URL link button or image height excessiveness
or here, such as being an ass
it's a good candidate for a flag. We do not want flagging a comment to take the place of gently reminding people of the site rules - we mods rely on the community to self-police a lot - but in the case of repeated violations or comments you think are inappropriate, off-topic, needlessly hostile, etc., we'd prefer you use a flag instead of creating a flame war inside the thread.
As a refresher, the site rules are:
--Politics and religion are off limits.
--Utilize proper capitalization, make an effort at correct spelling (meaning no chatspeak) and comprehensible grammar.
--Trolling other SBN blogs gets you banned here if we find out.
--No unwarranted hostility.
Besides the obvious short-term benefits to us that flags provide, there are useful long-term benefits if flags are utilized well. Because we are able to inspect user profiles and see a history of all flags the user has received, proper flagging helps us to quickly ascertain any patterns in behavior that need to be remedied. For example, if we see someone has multiple flags for trolling, it helps us to decide if said person needs to be reprimanded. Without that history, our job is much more judgmental and time consuming.
I imagine every regular contributor here knows the rec link and what it does. It's fairly self-explanatory as well, you can see the rec count on every comment. I am not going to get into the gritty details like for the flag link, but I do want to take a moment to ask for expanded use of the rec link as well, but in a slightly different manner.
I ask you all to consider using the rec link whenever you come across a solid logical comment as well as humorous or informative comments. If someone gives a good answer to a baseball question, rec it. That both highlights the answer and gives positive reinforcement to those that take the time to help educate.
For example, if a user drops in on a Jose Lopez discussion and comments "You people are all idiots. Lopez is our only clutch hitter. Look at how many RBIs he had!", that comment* is likely to get a deluge of responses pointing out various criticisms of RBIs, clutch hitting, and so on. A large set of responses validly attacking the user's comment can cause said user to become defensive and lash out, leading to more criticisms, more lashing and an inevitable flame war.
Comment provided for illustration purposes only. In an actual comment from this hypothetical user, there would probably be more spelling errors and exclamation points.
What I'd prefer to see is someone respond with the valid criticisms of using RBIs, clutch hitting and so on and for subsequent users who see the subthread to just rec the response instead of adding their own if they feel that response adequately sums up their thoughts. A highly recced response (especially one that turns green) should send the same message as 15 similar responses and it carries the benefit of both removing some clutter and diffusing possible flame wars.
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These are pretty minor (the flag link is a slightly bigger one) issues. And that they're about all we came up with as areas of improvement for 2010 speaks massively to the greatness of this place. Y'all are awesome.
5 recs | 40 comments
Word.
Preparing for the deluge.
Spider Jerusalem - January 1, 2010
Hooray!
Something new to read on the front page!
msb - January 1, 2010
I'd make something up
but the last time one of us made up news we got in trouble.
Matthew - January 1, 2010
The Derek Lowe post?
Fin - January 1, 2010
Griffey's sign and retire?
Slurvey - January 1, 2010
Are we still allowed to rec bad comments?
Poochie - January 1, 2010
I think your question has been answered!
abender20 - January 1, 2010
Suckers
Poochie - January 1, 2010
I know I'm a bad person because I really wanted to flag this article.
SethGrandpa - January 1, 2010
Matthew, this is a fantastic post. I respect all of you moderators and how much thoughtful work you put into this place. Bravo.
royalcurve - January 1, 2010
I also really appreciate the work put in by the hallowed moderators.
Though I mostly lurk, this site has completely changed the way I view baseball (and in turn has caused me to try and educate people where I am able). I really love having a resource like LL around, and the quality of the site is a direct result of the input and guidance of the moderators. Thank you.
This comment probably comes off as saccharine, but I mean it sincerely.
Torrid - January 1, 2010
Notice that high rec comments
Are made more noticeable to the reader.
Dave Clark - January 2, 2010
In Jeff We Trust!
EnglishMariner - January 1, 2010
The first gamethread of the new season is going to be awesome in an absolute clusterfuck-y way
OlSalty - January 1, 2010
I can't wait for the bandwagon posters to arrive in July
Robert - January 1, 2010
Bandwagon!?!?
why, I’ve been following this team since 1969, dammit.
msb - January 1, 2010
I put the over/under on gamethreads
at 5.5
marinerdan - January 1, 2010
I would put the over/under on gamethreads at 1 because most of the mods will be at the game and won't be assed to do it from their phones.
Robert - January 1, 2010
Maybe they should make me a mod because I 100% will not be at the game and have opening day game thread experience.
EnglishMariner - January 1, 2010
So you are saying there will be zero, two, or more than two
Poochie - January 1, 2010 via mobile
Yeah, if only we could schedule posts to open based on the time...
Matthew - January 1, 2010
I believe this will happen 100%
Robert - January 1, 2010
We've done it countless times in the past, Debbie
Matthew - January 1, 2010
I think you meant to reply to Debbie's post, not Robert's
seattlebruin - January 1, 2010
Jose Lopez is our only clutch hitter though!!!!!!!!!
Kirk - January 1, 2010 via mobile
You had to use Lopez as the example, didn't you.
Regardless, this is a fantastic post. Dumb I may be, but I never really understood the flag option and how harsh the consequences would be on a person if I were to click it.
And good on you for calling out those who spend one week working on resolutions before disregarding them. Although shouldn’t the New Year start on a specific person’s birthday? At least thats how I look at the phrase ‘another year in the books’.
Slica - January 1, 2010
The tradition of celebrating the turning of the calendar has been around a lot longer than Felix/
abender20 - January 1, 2010
Bullshit
Robert - January 1, 2010
For me
The New Year always has and always will start on Opening Day
seattlecougar - January 3, 2010
If an article gets 5 recs.....does it too turn green?
This one currently sits at 4.
tintin - January 1, 2010
No.
Front page posts and fanShots are unaffected by rec counts. FanPosts go into the recommended FanPosts bin if they get four or more recs.
Matthew - January 1, 2010
I learn something new everytime I visit this site!
tintin - January 1, 2010
Crap meant to hit the reply button....
tintin - January 1, 2010
Flagged!
I jest.
Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the site for a fantastic 2009, and I’m sure 2010 will be even better.
marinerdan - January 1, 2010
Thanks Jeff!
Mariner John - January 1, 2010
That Matthew kid is alright too
ermac - January 1, 2010
I've been a lurker for almost 2 years and have a question.
Can I agree with a comment by reccing it and not comment at all, or should I just go back to reading and not bother reccing/agreeing with a comment? I’m guessing nobody wants to see all the comments I agree with. I agree Matthew is alright. I’d also like to thank all the moderators. This is an amazing site.
TrustBaseball - January 1, 2010
You can rec without commenting.
It’s actually preferred unless you have something substantive to add.
Mariner John - January 1, 2010
I have had days where I have little to say but I will still rec 20 or so comments.
Sec 108 - January 2, 2010
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Mariner John - January 1, 2010
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