First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who in some way contributed to my having a wonderful weekend. There are too many of you to name individually, but you guys should know who you are. Thank you to everyone who supported us and came out to the event. Thank you to everyone with whom I shared a meal, a drink, a meal and a drink, or an appetizer and several drinks. Thank you to my hosts. Thank you to my girlfriend. Thank you to every damn one of you that can tell a good story. Thank you to Dave for organizing this whole event and Matthew for finding the right location. Thank you to the people at Benaroya who accommodated a raucous crowd. Thank you to the impossibly patient waitress(es) at Elysian. Thank you to anyone I forgot. And, most of all, thank you to Jack Zduriencik, Tony Blengino, Jeff Kingston, Tom McNamara, and Randy Adamack for their facilitation and participation in an expo for nerds. Predominantly white, balding, male nerds. These are the weekends that make me think, man, I hope I never have to stop doing what I do.
Second of all, I'd like to apologize for being difficult to hear during the event. Dave and I had tested the acoustics on Friday and found them to be spectacular. As such, I imagined that, even if something I said wasn't picked up by the mic, it would still spread around the room. Apparently that didn't happen, and the back of the audience by and large found me incomprehensible. My mistake. Sitting on stage, it was impossible to hear much of anything, but I screwed up, and maybe next time someone could stand and yell "HEY QUIT SCREWING UP" at the beginning instead of waiting and making me feel bad afterwards. Whatever. Those of you seated towards the front were treated to the additional bonus of hearing what my awesome voice sounds like.
Now then, on to the actual event. I always get a kick out of how people respond to the off-the-record nature of these things. If you've never gone to one, you might be left with the idea that you're missing out on some super top secret information. That those of us listening in are getting tipped off as to what moves the team's going to make next. That's not how it goes. Nobody speaking is particularly interested in sharing anything private or juicy with a blog audience, and for this reason we generally don't even bother trying to ask questions about individual players or contract negotiations or whatever. I don't know any more about the state of the Felix situation now than I did last Friday. To expect these events to feature free and revealing dialogue is to be unreasonable.
They're off-the-record to make these things feel more intimate and casual. With the current setup, Mariner executives are given very little time to prepare their responses to questions. It wouldn't be fair to reproduce their words for public consumption. And the truth of the matter is that they will say some things that they wouldn't tell a larger audience. It's just that these things are jokes, or anecdotes, or little hints at philosophy. Come on. They know who we are. They know they can't say anything that might get them in trouble. Going off-the-record just allows them to speak more freely. What makes these events enjoyable isn't that we're treated to a truckload of inside info; what makes them enjoyable is that we get to directly engage our front office in conversation, and in so doing get to know them better as people and hear some wonderful stories along the way. I had a blast on Saturday, and I had a blast because Jeff, Tom, Tony, and Jack are just awesome people to talk to.
Still, I know those of you who couldn't make it want to hear a little something about what went on. And to that end, I'll say that, after listening to every response to every question (except for that one I missed while I was in the can), I came away thinking one thing:
We don't give enough credit to the front office.
Now, I don't mean that in the sense that we aren't kind enough. We give plenty of credit to the front office. More than pretty much any other fanbase in baseball, I bet. But when we give credit to the front office, we generally give credit to Z, instead of acknowledging every single member of the organization involved in the decision-making process. I think half the answers during the panel began with something like "well we're four guys up here, and we'll usually have four different opinions." Jack (who did most of the talking) made a point of emphasizing just how many people are involved in any decision the team makes. And I think we could all do a better job of recognizing that.
Don't get me wrong - Z is amazing, and as the ultimate authority as far as the roster is concerned, he deserves the bulk of the praise (and, on rare occasion, the criticism). But Z doesn't make decisions on his own. He's not the guy who says "I want Lee" and then makes it happen. Zduriencik had something to say. Blengino had something to say. Kingston had something to say. McNamara had something to say. Grifol had something to say. Fusco had something to say. A whole host of other people had something to say. It was not Z who made the Lee trade happen on Seattle's end - it was the sum of the input from a ton of guys in the front office. And for that reason, we should try to move away from praising the individual and more towards praising the group. Jack Zduriencik is in charge of the Mariner roster, but Jack Zduriencik is aided by a support staff finer than most any other in the league.
GMs get all the attention, but GMs, like managers, will get too much praise when something goes right, and too much criticism when something goes wrong. This is why I'm beginning to change my opinion of Dayton Moore. It's not that I think Moore is fabulous at what he does or anything. That certainly isn't the case. But it's not just Moore. If Kansas City's front office operates anything like Seattle's does - and I doubt any front office out there is an absolute monarchy - then it would appear that Moore is surrounded by clods. I don't know which of these names those clods might be, but there are clods in there, and it is those clods that, as a group, are steering the Royals in the wrong direction. It's not Moore that thinks it's a good idea to sign Jason Kendall. It's Moore's front office that thinks it's a good idea to sign Jason Kendall.
Now, the counter to this is that it's Moore's own fault if he's surrounded by idiots. And this is true. Most of the time, GMs are responsible for building their support staffs, and it seems like Moore screwed up, while Zduriencik hit a home run. For this exercise, you are free to focus primarily on the man at the top. Jack Zduriencik deserves all the credit in the world for surrounding himself with terrific people and terrific baseball minds that can, as a group, help move the organization towards a title.
But that's where I feel the individual praise should stop. I like Jack Zduriencik. I like him a lot. But I love love love the Seattle Mariner front office, and everybody involved therein, from the floor to the ceiling. It is the front office as a collective that has so dramatically turned the organization around, and though Jack is deserving of so many of our accolades, focusing on him I feel does everybody else an injustice.
Forget individual names. It's this front office - this entire front office - that ranks among the best in the game.

The weekend's one lowlight - criticism from one Steve C. about our public speaking. It seems Steve C. thoroughly enjoyed the second half of the panel, but found the first half to be a "waste of [his] time and money." Steve C. was offered a complete refund, which he instantly accepted. Steve C., I hope you enjoyed the event, because you're never attending another. You're a dick.
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Can I got out on a limb and guess Steve C. spends more time at USSM than LL?
I feel like if he was around here we would’ve probably driven someone like that away long ago.
SethGrandpa - January 12, 2010
Hey, we can drive people off with the best of 'em.
Jeff Nye - January 13, 2010
"But Z doesn't make decisions on his own. He's not the guy who says "I want Lee" and then makes it happen. Zduriencik had something to say. Blengino had something to say."
Blengino likely had a lot to say.
msb - January 12, 2010
Z: Hey Tony, what do you think of this trade for Cliff Lee?
T: MOTHERFUCKING CLIFF LEE?!! WOOOOOOOOOO
Fuckmikereilly - January 12, 2010
I really would like to have been a fly on the wall
When Jack hung up the phone, or waved them into his office while he was on the phone with Ruben, or whatever happened. Somebody at some point must’ve thought he was getting his leg pulled.
“Cliff Lee. The Phillies’ Cliff Lee? THE Cliff Lee?”
wandergeist - January 12, 2010
Well, Jack, at the end of the day...
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 13, 2010
He asked for a refund of $10?
I didn’t know we could do that. I think I’ll ask for a refund of my entire meal at a restaurant because the dessert was a little cold. I need a refund on my cable bill too because I watched a shitty episode of the Lost.
CapSea - January 12, 2010
It would be more like the bread being a little stale before your perfectly cooked tenderloin
and asking for a refund.
JonBBT - January 12, 2010
I am reminded of the Almost Live sketch about dividing up the bill.
msb - January 12, 2010
Well, in the future
If this becomes the template — about an hour of blog-related business / BSing, followed by the main event — perhaps this can be laid out ahead of time so that people’s expectations are set appropriately (and they can skip the blog part if they so choose).
wandergeist - January 12, 2010
Or maybe...
It was $10 and the guy should pull the cucumber out of his anus and live with it. It’s $10. I wiped my ass with $10 when I ran out of toilet paper.
CapSea - January 12, 2010
It's a recession
Not everybody’s rich. $10 is more than a meal for somebody. I can remember when I would fill my car up $5 at a time (granted, gas was about $1/gal then).
Which still doesn’t mean it wasn’t kind of a jackass move (and more than a little). I mean, $10 is a movie ticket. There are a lot of crappy movies out there. Does he demand his money back from those, too?
wandergeist - January 12, 2010
It's $10.
If the guy makes 10,000 a YEAR, that represents 0.1% of his income. It’s $10. What a dildo. I hope he gets scabies on his scrotum.
CapSea - January 12, 2010
I think the point trying to be made is that this is equivalent, in some people's minds,
to demanding a refund for the movie ticket because you didn’t like any of the previews.
We never sold it as a Q&A with the bloggers. We threw that in for free because we’re funny and awesome and you should all be amazed by how funny and awesome we are. You get an amazing amount of Q&A with the bloggers, for free, every day, on these blogs.
Matthew - January 12, 2010
And Jeff doesn't even mumble here!
Matthew - January 12, 2010
Stupid capitalization rules
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2010
I guess not using punctuation marks is sort of mumbley.
Matthew - January 12, 2010
wh mff
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2010
i got the RIGHT tempearttuer
Matthew - January 12, 2010
Fish hat?
Teej - January 12, 2010
After I see him, I read his comments here in his voice for about a week
Robert - January 12, 2010
Is that good?
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2010
Better then when I read Matthew's comments and in my head he is hitting me on the nose with a newspaper.
Robert - January 12, 2010
You too?
royalcurve - January 12, 2010
THAN!
Better than!
Matthew - January 12, 2010
No Pa not again!
Robert - January 13, 2010
And nobody paid $10-$17 to listen to the bloggers
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2010
I would have, chief.
But I didn’t because then people would know who I am, and that creeps me out.
CapSea - January 12, 2010
Wiping one's ass with circulated currency is unsanitary
and can result in hemorrhoids, sepsis, dysentery, sickle-cell anemia, rolfing, dogface, morbid hysterical pregancy, socialism, etc.
lemonverbena - January 13, 2010
And hot dog fingers.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 13, 2010
Morbid hysterical pregnancy is underrated.
Try it some time, it’s mind blowing.
CapSea - January 13, 2010
To clarify, it wasn't the format that was the problem.
It was that we didn’t call on enough hands from the very back, which is probably true and that some of the talking was hard to make out. I don’t know how many people have stage experience, but it’s rather difficult to see 50 rows back with lights shining in your eyes.
I don’t want it to seem like I’m super pissed about this, to be clear. The refund came out of us covering the costs of the venue, not any mythical profit that we supposedly see from these. It’s just that I would be more sympathetic to a complaint on having to listen to us for an hour. I’m less sympathetic to a complaint that we didn’t see your hand raised and that Dave talks fast.
Matthew - January 12, 2010
People should know by now that Dave talks fast.
b_rider - January 13, 2010
For my part, I have no sympathy for the guy at all
I’ve been preaching full-time for seven years, and in some capacity for over a decade, and I still talk too fast; anybody who thinks public speaking is so easy that they have the right to criticize you guys either has never done it and has no idea what they’re talking about, or else has been doing it so long that they’ve forgotten what it was like starting out. It’s a hard gig even if you know what you’re doing, and if it isn’t something you do very often, it can be brutal. Especially if you have the big lights shining in your eyes—I don’t know if it’s the limbic system or what, but those lights do something to the brain that’s really difficult to learn to deal with. Whether it’s arrogant ignorance or just plain arrogance, this guy’s expectations are way out of whack with the reasonable, and I don’t think he deserves any slack at all for his attitude.
The Ancient Mariner - January 13, 2010
Great post, I think even the jesting at Jeff is probably going a bit too far, I nearly crapped my pants doing a best man's speech to 60 people, let alone hundreds like at the event.
EnglishMariner - January 13, 2010
I ramble, babble, and mumble
And that’s during business meetings. My Boss refers to me as Mr. E=mc^2 because of it. But I actually unjoy speaking in front of people.
A good trick is to start a speech off with something completely unexpected. It catches the audience off guard (which helps you feel better about any anxiety) and it gets their attention focused on you.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
When you get up to speak, fart loudly
UNEXPECTED!
pdb - January 13, 2010
Well, in fairness
Dave’s event writeup said “We’ve done enough of these now where I think you guys have a pretty good idea of what they are.” and that it was a “Q&A with local bloggers and members of the Mariners front office”… and no one asked. Sure, he could have published a detailed agenda ahead of time, but he also did lay out the schedule at the start, so if you wanted to leave for an hour, there was that chance.
DMZ - January 13, 2010
I don't care how broke you are, that's maddening.
If $10 is that important to you, maybe you should consider, I don’t know, not spending on it a fucking baseball discussion?
Teej - January 12, 2010
Exactly.
Goose - January 12, 2010
Ya
That’s a good point. If you thought you could spend a Jackson on a baseball talk, you’re not so broke that you need it back. Or you’re an idiot, and that $10 is the least of your problems.
wandergeist - January 12, 2010
Don't get me wrong; a customer is entitled to voice his disappointments.
But this all reminds me of when I was 5 or so and my mom demanded a refund from the video store after she rented “Born on the Fourth of July” for family movie night. I think that’s bullshit. You saw that it was rated R and had a shit-ton of nudity. If you didn’t, that’s on you. Plus, come on, let me see some boobs, Mom.
A movie rental is an agreement — and the customer must acknowledge that he is taking a gamble. That’s the whole point. Sometimes you’re disappointed; sometimes you’re elated. But I don’t think you’re not entitled to your money back if you picked the wrong movie or it wasn’t everything you hoped it would be.
I think the same contract goes for any public performances — whether it be a play, a poetry jam or a baseball discussion. You pay for the right to see what happens.
Teej - January 12, 2010
"But I don’t think you’re not entitled"
Please ignore the “not.”
Teej - January 12, 2010
But this wasn't even a typical customer experience.
Sort of non-profit collaboration provided at the lowest possible cost. It would be akin to trying to return an item you won at a charity auction because it wasn’t as valuable as you paid.
hcoguy - January 12, 2010
It's not like you expected to be breast fed or anything, but to completely cut off a 5 year old from even an occasional look see is crazy.
Janic - January 12, 2010
This is the evolution of consumer society.
The consumers have learned that they have more control over your busines than businesses do. The days are gone where you could just throw someone out who was being demanding or rude about their experience. Faster communication means that they can tell half the world that your business sucks. The proliferation of frivelous lawsuits has allowed individuals to sue for anything they want. Businesses have gone on the defensive, and a lot of them just give in instead of fighting it out. It’s a catch-22. Either you fight it out and look discompassionate or arrogant or you settle and look guilty.
I work in the hotel industry. Customer service requirements are at an all time high. Customer expectations have become absurd. Non-pin drop quietness in a hotel full of people has become a refund worthy offense. Paranoia over hotel cleaning standards (Thanks 20/20, Dateline, or whomever the fuck exposed a couple of lax hotels) has led to everything being scrutinized whether it is actually a problem or not. Everyday I have to deal with someone who had one bad experience with something, no matter how minor. And if they’re in with a group or a convention, the entire party will complain about the same thing, even if they never had that experience.
It’s hell sometimes.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
This is something I just don't understand.
If I have a bad experience with a business, I don’t patron it again.
hcoguy - January 13, 2010
It really is a dilemma.
I’d prefer that someone not come up and verbally berate me because they couldn’t get their shower hotter than 120 degrees F. Like I want to be yelled at while I’m working. On the other hand, if someone has a legit problem and I don’t know about it, chances are it wont be fixed for the next guest either, so I’ll have two potential lost guests instead of one.
My preferrence is for pro-active fixing of problems by keeping proper maintenance and inspections of our product, but something always fucking happens.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Something always happens because guests don't treat things like they would at home.
But that’s another discussion for another day.
Wilder. - January 13, 2010
Tell me about it.
I now have a totally blown image of the average teenage girl thanks to working in the hotel industry.
Everybody thinks young men are slobs, and they are. They’re just apathetic clods. Young women, on the other hand, are thorough.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
I hate having to call about anything and getting reps that assume I'm just trying to get a free XXXX.
The way a lot of people act puts reps on the defensive, and it’s hard to just get the things I ask for.
No, I don’t need your manager for you to remake my burger without cheese, because I don’t care about a refund or a free dessert. No, I don’t need 10 minutes of apologies and a business card for the manager on duty for not having towels in my room, just give me a stack of towels and let me go back up.
Assholes have ruined everything for everyone.
Faux - January 13, 2010
Being gunshy is a problem with some agents I've had.
I, myself, have realized after-the-fact that I’ve been gunshy on a couple of ocassions as well. It’s a terrible approach to take, but sometimes you just do it. The best one is to listen, reiterate the guest complaint, and then take action after making a decision.
Most of the time, if you get someone like that, Faux, it’s an agent who hasn’t been trained properly or hasn’t been empowered to do whatever is necessary for the guest. Agents who aren’t sure what they can or can’t do often will waffle and get defensive.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
LARM works for this and many other situations
Listen to the person
Acknowledge that you are following along (verbally/nonverbally)
Rephrase what they have said, briefly
Make a statement (what action you are taking)
lemonverbena - January 13, 2010
Acronym. Love it.
I’ll shamelessly steal it, if you don’t mind.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Provided for informational purposes so please feel free
Sucker works like a charm
lemonverbena - January 13, 2010
CPR was what I was always taught when selling cars, but it applies still
Clarify
Paraphrase
Respond
tootthekazoo - January 13, 2010
This one I have heard. I don't use it because all my agents are also CPR / first aid certified.
And most of them are young. Don’t want to confuse the little tykes.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
My customer service approach:
Fake interest in what the person is saying
Understand that they aren’t getting laid nearly enough
Contemplate how miserable their lives must be
Kick yourself for going to a liberal arts school
Eliminate any thought you might have of throttling them to death with their own shoes
Make sure they get what they want so they shut up
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2010
Believe it or not...
There is an interpersonal confidence tactic in which you basically keep insulting and belittling the person in front of you in your mind.
It also works.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Got me through the day
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2010
I seem to recall
A “This American Life” bit where they were looking at research that showed waitresses who were ruder got bigger tips.
wandergeist - January 14, 2010
I think there's a difference there.
There’s “rude” and then there’s “truck stop saucy”.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 14, 2010
Without going all LLLJ on everyone,
Giving this to my boss will fulfill all my brown-nosing for at least a month.
hcoguy - January 13, 2010
This is why I loved working at Starbucks in High School
Orders were screwed up enough that people rarely cared and were polite when asking for a change. Those that did care tended to be assholes and we’d just throw in Decaf and serve them with a smile.
MT Olson - January 13, 2010
This is no joke.
I have a friend in your industry that deals with crap like that daily. He’s a chief engineer at a 4 star hotel and the stories he tells. Just wow.
ToddK - January 13, 2010
The modern sense of entitlement is something to behold, that's for sure
pdb - January 13, 2010
I'll believe it.
Ours is only a three star. I can’t imagine what four star clients demand.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Suffice it to say that you are probably happy enough where you are.
ToddK - January 13, 2010
Honestly, I'd like to give it a shot.
Just for the experience. Successful managers in bigger hotels tend to get other bigger hotel offers and more moolah.
Not that I’m not happy where I am. The clients here are mostly friendly (lots of engineers) and good to talk to.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Are you an engineer?
ToddK - January 13, 2010
No no. Front desk manager / director of rooms.
I’m the front line kiss ass.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Nice,
Tell these fine folks what kind of stuff these people tend to forget in their rooms. Heh
ToddK - January 13, 2010
Everything.
From something simple like a toothbrush to children. I used to laugh at people for leaving behind cell phone chargers. I thought “what fool would forget that?”….
Then I forgot mine at one of our franchise properties on vacation. Ah life.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
I leave a cell phone charger behind on 50% of my trips.
No idea why it is always that one thing, but it is.
Sec 108 - January 14, 2010
It's extremely common and re-claiming is rare.
Protip for everybody: If you ever need a cell phone charger, swing by a hotel and ask if they have one that matches your phone. Most of the time, they’ll just let you have it.
Most places have a policy that after x number of days, usually a month, whatever is in L&F is free game. They’ll typically give it away just to free up space.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 14, 2010
My buddy says they find vibrators etc. almost daily.
ToddK - January 14, 2010
I wasn't going to delve too deeply into the sex related material left behind.
But sure, why not. Humorous story:
So we found a particular vibrator which is one of those egg shaped deals with the corded controller. Well, at first… I shit you not… none of the housekeepers nor my manager at the time could figure out what the hell it was. Finally, one of them piped up and said it was an MP3 player. She demonstrated the use of it by putting one end to her ear and hitting the switch. After everybody was done freaking out about a vibrating MP3 player, I was finally consulted as to what the thing was. Needless to say the poor “MP3” girl was mortified for weeks. I dont’ remember what we ended up doing with that. Threw it away probably.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 14, 2010
That's fantastic.
Goose - January 14, 2010
I stayed in a four star all-suite hotel for over a month in LV.
The maid refused to believe that all I wanted was an extra stack of towels and for her to stop in every 3rd or 4th day to change the sheets and vacuum. I heard her conversation with the guy next door, who wanted turndown service and fresh sheets nightly, and a bath drawn every night at 8PM. She said he wasn’t bad comparatively.
Faux - January 13, 2010
What's that guy doing in bed that he needs fresh sheets nightly?
wazzu93 - January 13, 2010
Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to
pdb - January 13, 2010
Absolutely. I already know more things about my clients than I ever wanted.
And I didn’t ask.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
That must be hilarious when they come back for another stay.
wazzu93 - January 13, 2010
Do you honestly want to know what it's like to welcome back an alleged pedophile?
Let’s just say that I’m a master at making you feel welcome, you sick fuck.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Ugh.
royalcurve - January 13, 2010
Three star hotels see 'em all.
The best of society and the worst of society. I’ve chatted with Secretaries of State, self made millionaires, Seahawks practice squad folks, elite baseball prospects playing for a local single A affiliate, nuclear engineers and scientists, and someone from just about every country on the planet. I’ve also chatted with drug addicts, prostitutes, social misfits, schizophrenics, criminals of all kinds, and someone from just about every country on the planet.
And as a hotel industry manager, may I please beg the world that if you’re going to leave your room at 3 in the morning to go “get ice from the ice machine” 100 feet down the hall from your room, either:
A). Remember your room key or…
B). Wear clothes.
Preferably both.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
I think I saw that movie.
Wacky.
msb - January 13, 2010
Yikes. Sorry, did not realise it was that bad. No harm meant.
wazzu93 - January 13, 2010
I took probably the most extreme experience of mine.
Really it isn’t that bad. I haven’t seen that particular client in years.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
a golden shower?
LCT - January 14, 2010
Andrew Jackon is on the 20.
Alexander Hamilton is on the 10.
Vatinius - January 12, 2010
But Hamilton was never President.
waldo rojas - January 13, 2010
He might've been if he hadn't been shot.
JY - January 13, 2010
Oh here we go again. Someone blaming Aaron Burr.
Can’t we just let it GO already?
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
Doubtful, seeing as he was foreign born.
Mariner John - January 13, 2010
The first seven presidents were all foreign born
Graham MacAree - January 13, 2010
But to my knowledge St. Kitts and Nevis never became part of the United States.
Mariner John - January 13, 2010
Moreso because his political prospects were in a bady way. He had sabotaged John Adams' campaign in 1800 and split the Federalists with his support for Pickney and his rep was in the tubes following a sex scandal.
Decatur - January 13, 2010
I wonder what site rule this is breaking right now
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
Hang on I'm trying to turn it into a penis joke.
Kermit. - January 13, 2010
Those Whigs fucked everything up.
There, I said it.
Faux - January 13, 2010
I'm disgusted!
If I wanted to hear mindless monarchist Tory rhetoric, I’d be reading …
Well, damn, I can’t come up with a good Tory website name. I want to cross Daily Kos with Viscount Bolingbroke somehow, but I can’t seem to make it work.
Chris Hafner - January 13, 2010
Nobody cares about your Dead Presidents fantasy league?
Wilder. - January 13, 2010
Jackson was shot at least four (probably more) times during his life.
Real men don’t let a few bullets lodged permanently in their ribcage stop them from governing/killing hordes of Indians.
Vatinius - January 13, 2010
Even I shot Andrew Jackson at least once
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
He took a few shells, but he don't wit' with a limp.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 14, 2010
Neither was Franklin.
Vatinius - January 13, 2010
The whole "customer is always right" mantra has become a religion for some people.
hcoguy - January 12, 2010
Damn Nordstroms.
msb - January 12, 2010
You do not take the name of Nordstrom in vain
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 13, 2010
Is that the department store in Seattle? If so, the staff there are freakily nice.
EnglishMariner - January 13, 2010
My girlfriend saw a coat there that was thirty bucks more than the price at Macy's.
She told them the price it was at Macy’s and they gave her the coat at that price. No other questions asked and no confirmation necessary.
Craig Powers - January 13, 2010
That's what they're trained to do
and it’s not the fake-nice you get in a lot of stores, either, it’s genuine. Nordstrom gets lost in the shuffle in these customers-are-special-cupcakes days, but they’ve been like that since the 50’s and it’s awesome.
pdb - January 13, 2010
Someone needs to cry "UNETHICAL" right about now
msb - January 12, 2010
I was in the last row
And I was able to make out almost all of what you said. I needled you a little in the other comment thread but it wasn’t that bad. You sounded more timid/scared than unintelligible, which would’ve been kind of endearing… if this had been a school play or something. I thought about yelling something about speaking up, but I was afraid I’d spook you off the stage altogether.
wandergeist - January 12, 2010
Yeah, no, I'm just a mumbler
Was my natural response to my brother shouting all the time.
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2010
LLFB?
Faux - January 13, 2010
Little League Funk Blast?
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 13, 2010
Moore's group could instead be a bunch of yes men.
Janic - January 12, 2010
or muppets
JonBBT - January 12, 2010
Somewhere in a bunker just outside Kansas City...
Vatinius - January 12, 2010
Man, you're quick
tootthekazoo - January 12, 2010
No, still too smart.
Matthew - January 12, 2010
Sock puppets?
JonBBT - January 12, 2010
Nah, that's five max.
Matthew - January 12, 2010
"I think we should sign Kendall." "Great idea boss!"
Vatinius - January 12, 2010
Sounds good to me! He's crunchalicious!
msb - January 12, 2010
Even Grover knows about wOBA
Sesame Street – Monster in the Mirror
Janic - January 12, 2010
Grover? or Grover?
Super Grover, yes. Grover the former Manager, not so much.
Paul AB - January 13, 2010
Tickle Me Dayton
The smitten gaze Miss Piggy is directing his way is perfect.
On the other hand, didn’t Jack and Jeff Kingston sitting side by side at the table look just a little like Dr Bunsen Honeydew and Beaker?

wandergeist - January 12, 2010
Who was this originally?
.Taylor - January 13, 2010
Jim Henson strangely enough.
Mariner John - January 13, 2010
Wow, some people
…have no class. I can understand being disappointed the Mariners guys only had the floor for 90 minutes not most of 3 hours (I confess, I was). But not thinking that putting $10-15 in your pockets for all that you and USSM guys do for free was worthwhile anyway. Grrr.
Heck, I’d pay the same price even without the Mariners front office guys just to hang out with hard core Ms fans for a couple of hours.
I hoped you guys banned Steve C from posting on both sites as well.
AdamSt - January 12, 2010
Steve C. doesn't have an account here
As far as the admission revenue, almost all of that went to covering the cost of renting the room. Dave and I were also able to fly in for free, but that’s about it.
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2010
The 90 minutes would be understandible as they stuck around for three and a half hours last year.
Regression to the mean in 2011?
Janic - January 12, 2010
The waitress at Elysian was excellent
She never stopped smiling, even when we were all acting like retards about paying the tab
tootthekazoo - January 12, 2010
See, I KNEW I should have lingered on the sidewalk
and not sprint for the bus
msb - January 12, 2010
You and me both.
Marc and I just ended up wandering off to some bar in the market.
JY - January 13, 2010
I loped across the street ...
(well, no, not really— loping implies a certain grace) and as I rode away (seeing the back of toot on the sidewalk) I thought— why did I do that?
msb - January 13, 2010
Same here. I pretty much headed straight for the parking garage as soon as it was over.
And as I was getting back on the freeway I thought “Fuck, I should of stayed and bsed some more.”
Goose - January 13, 2010
You should have stopped to watch the guy in an office above the post office strip off his shirt and admire his chest in the window
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 13, 2010
Dang.
msb - January 13, 2010
The best part was when he tweaked his nipples a bit and played with his chest hair/happy trail
tootthekazoo - January 13, 2010
I would pay $10 for this and not ask for a refund.
wazzu93 - January 13, 2010
It would be a great You Tube video.
ToddK - January 13, 2010
Next time we do a better job of this
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
Cool.
Maybe during the summer event I’ll finally get to properly drink with the LL folk. Depending on when it is and if I’m here…
JY - January 13, 2010
Gawd, you guys
Didn’t do some crazy linear weights thing to calculate the bill, did you?
wandergeist - January 12, 2010
That would've been way smarter
Jeff Sullivan - January 12, 2010
I liked having everybody try and calculate the bill individually, all coming up with different numbers
And then thinking we had it figured out until we learned that we were still 40 bucks away. Through all 20 minutes of that, though, the waitress never stopped smiling. She was a sweetheart
tootthekazoo - January 13, 2010
I counted five times Goddammit
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2010
Elysian Mathematics?
msb - January 13, 2010
My math was spot on
Aaron Campeau - January 13, 2010
The heavy drinking happened later
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 14, 2010
You're welcome
Robert - January 12, 2010
Do you think Steve C. is going to order one of the magazines?
Goose - January 12, 2010
What is the return policy?
JonBBT - January 12, 2010
Hopefully paid with ass pennies.
Kermit. - January 12, 2010
I've got to remember that phrase
Hopefully I’ll never be in a position to use it, but still
wandergeist - January 12, 2010
Rec'd for Upright Citizens Brigade
JY - January 13, 2010
Yup
Bearskin Rugburn - January 13, 2010
DMZ is all about customer service, so he'll give you a refund no matter what.
On a side note, I would like to make all my online purchases through him.
Janic - January 12, 2010
Please do
DMZ - January 13, 2010
As someone who missed the event
I’m kinda glad that nothing overly juicy was revealed. The way some people were all ‘hush, hush’ was making me wreck my brain with possibilities as to what was said (I mean, they just traded for Cliff Lee. The FO can pull just about anything outta their collective hat at this point) I feel a bit better now as I can guess with some certainty as to what was said.
It sounded like a blast and hopefully I’ll be able to attend next year.
IceStormV1 - January 12, 2010
If I can praise one guy in the M's front office personally who is not Z for a second,
I want to spread some love to Tony Blengino. After the event last year I got the opportunity to interview with the Mariners to help out in the advance scouting department because he forwarded on my resume. While I didn’t make it, the experience was surreal, fun, and I don’t think I’ll ever forget it. Also, from how I’ve seen him talk at this event and the one last winter, he seems to have a lot of somewhat goofy energy that makes him endearing.
Two Rs and Two Ls - January 12, 2010
Maybe one day we'll have an event with just him and Tom Tango.
Instead of paying for tickets, you’ll gain admission by bringing a TI-89 or better.
Matthew - January 12, 2010
Can I bring baked goods, instead?
I’m not so much with the numbers.
msb - January 12, 2010
That would be an expensive ticket
chrisisasavage - January 13, 2010
you can get a TI-99 4A in box for $25 on ebay right now
And bid for one at $10.
DMZ - January 13, 2010
I love that guy,
His Stat of the Week segment on the Hot Stove show each Wednesday makes for some fine radio fun.
msb - January 12, 2010
Yep. He's easily me favorite member of the FO personality wise.
Though after Saturday, Jack Z is a close 2nd.
Goose - January 12, 2010
Yargh! The pirate talk was nye unintentional matey.
Goose - January 12, 2010
I dig Fusco's story-telling.
Like ’em all really, but that was the one thing I missed on this panel.
Omerta - January 13, 2010
By the way, I found a photo of Steve C.
He’s the one on the right.
CapSea - January 12, 2010
At some point during the event I was waiting for somebody to stand up and start screaming "NEEERRRRDDDSSSS!!!"
Goose - January 12, 2010
Grrrrrr
royalcurve - January 12, 2010
What an ass.
Stop looking like an ass and you might someday stop acting like one.
mark sobba - January 13, 2010
Of course, this is a TB home game...
batura - January 13, 2010
Wasn't that the douche who wouldn't give one of our players his first HR ball?
EnglishMariner - January 13, 2010
I think it was a Loafie milestone ball
but yeah, he’s the guy.
Eyeball Kid - January 13, 2010
Fuck that guy
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
Yes sir.
He was the source of much ridicule for 48 or so hours.
CapSea - January 13, 2010
.
My vote is for Lora Grosshans (Senior Director – Publicity). She needs to be doing a better job of helping the lowly denizens of internet fan clubs understand the brilliance behind the Front Office’s moves.
seattlecougar - January 13, 2010
I sort of got the impression from initial responses regarding the panel that Jeff had as much charisma as a stalk of celery.
Glad to hear it was just poor acoustics.
Torrid - January 13, 2010
Jeff has charisma.
Just none of it comes out of his mouth.
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 13, 2010
Rec'd for the discomfiting implication that Jeff excretes charisma from an orifice other than his mouth
Chris Hafner - January 13, 2010
Also rec'd for hilarious truth
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
What does it come out of?
wandergeist - January 13, 2010
His Felix Hernandez jersey
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
Celery is delicious
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
Celery is pretty much a peanut butter delivery system
what that means for you, I’m not sure.
pdb - January 13, 2010
And it goes great with buffalo wings
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
This is also true
pdb - January 13, 2010
It's the only food that feels healthy enough to break up the grease.
abender20 - January 13, 2010
Even if you use it as a ranch delivery system?
Edgar for Pres - January 13, 2010
It means keep Poochie far away from him
OlSalty - January 13, 2010
So by extension, Blue Moon is also delicious?
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
Stop stealing my material.
abender20 - January 13, 2010
mr. celery
Freneau - January 13, 2010
also, not racist
DMZ - January 13, 2010
What'd they have to say about the final part of the Lee deal?
Dewey N - January 13, 2010
Every time I read the title of this post
I’m reminded of this.
Eyeball Kid - January 13, 2010
One refund is not bad and you shouldn't get too wound up about it.
It is a reality when doing business and should be expected. In fact the general dearth of refund requests should be seen as a sign of how great these events are and the good work you all do putting them together.
Sec 108 - January 13, 2010
I would agree with this
Yes, the refund request was weird and petty, but it’s pretty astounding that there was apparently only one such episode out of a crowd of ~500 people. I think that says a lot both about the quality of the event and the enthusiasm of the audience.
Chris Hafner - January 13, 2010
This wasn't 500 random idiots, though
It wasn’t a representative sample of the population as a whole (in 500 of which, yeah, I’d expect all sorts of unfortunate things). It should have been a little better than that.
wandergeist - January 13, 2010
Maybe...
But as someone who couldn’t go (and I’m sure I’m not the only one) due to tickets selling out (work, etc); I find it particularly annoying. Maybe it’s illogical, but it feels as if someone that didn’t deserve to go – someone who’s not a real fan – managed to get in, while a lot of real fans were not able to; and then has the gall to pull this asshattery? It chaps my hide.
Kunkoh - January 13, 2010
Still doesn't change the part about that guy being a douchebag
though I guess one douchebag out of five hundred is actually a pretty good ratio
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
I'm sure the guy is a waste of skin and all. I just didn't want Jeff to let it bother him.
Sec 108 - January 13, 2010
I'm over it
I’m just hoping he sees this
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
I'm fairly confidant that Stevie C. was one of the dudes seated behind me
not the guy next to him who was snoring, but the other one who would not stop talking about how lame the blogger panel was. Apparently his main gripe (repeated over and over again and to no one in particular as his companion was sleeping half the time) was that most of the questions weren’t baseball related. At one point I considered turning around and asking him to shut up, he was getting that annoying, but then we took our break and when we came back he mercifully remained silent.
Oh and he did indeed at one point say “what a bunch of nerds,” despite obviously having no initial objection to attending a blogger-hosted panel. Sweet irony!
Omerta - January 13, 2010
Perhaps he was referring to the audience
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
Either way, I would have rather he'd not have come at all.
I enjoyed the blogger panel despite his commentary. Always has to be one bad apple in a bunch.
Omerta - January 13, 2010
Well the good news is that people like this are unlikely to attend future events
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
Impossible.
katal - January 13, 2010
What a dick
Ten bucks says this is the guy who wanted the refund.
OlSalty - January 13, 2010
Yikes.
Somehow I missed that exchange the first time around.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 13, 2010
It would be cool if Steve C. skydived into the freeway without a parachute.
BrettJMiller - January 13, 2010
As long as he hits a car going 55 in the carpool lane I am all for it.
Sec 108 - January 13, 2010
Seems like the most likely outcome.
BrettJMiller - January 13, 2010
Minimum reduction of three douchebags all at once.
Sec 108 - January 13, 2010
Wait, why is the innocent passenger implicated?
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 14, 2010
If you are a passenger in a vehicle going 5 miles under the speed limit in the
furthest lane to left and you have not yelled at the driver to either move right or speed up then you also suck.
Sec 108 - January 14, 2010
There were a ton of pictures taken at the event.
Does anyone want to share them because I wouldn’t mind having a few shots of the audience.
Wilder. - January 13, 2010
All I have are poor quality shots of the panel.
msb - January 13, 2010
Same with me.
Wilder. - January 13, 2010
I just have the back of the head of the guy in front of me.
Please, people, I implore you to keep your hair at less than three inches high for these things.
(Your hair didn’t look bad per se, but I could not see)
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 14, 2010
Better than being seated in front of a pole!
Poochie - January 14, 2010
That actually seems like it would give you something to lean back on.
Faux - January 14, 2010
Depends on your definition of front
Poochie - January 14, 2010
Although Steve C. clearly sucks as a human being
It’s probably not the best idea to call him out and then list his (presumed actual) first name and last initial. I’m not saying he didn’t pull a dick move by accepting a full refund for an event that 99.7% of the other viewers thoroughly enjoyed, but I don’t think it’s responsible to call him out, prompting legions of LLers to do so as well.
.Taylor - January 13, 2010
Like I care
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
I don't think that reflects very well on you.
Please do not get me wrong
-I respect you immensely and I’m sure you know this, but that’s just not very mature. Did Steve C. complain publicly to you or privately? If it was public, he deserves to be mocked. But if he privately expressed his distaste, then it seems unnecessarily mean to instigate an Anti-Steve thread..Taylor - January 13, 2010
You know what, screw it. Hide my comment. I don't care enough to try and speak out against the majority opinion.
And I’m probably being an idiot anyway.
.Taylor - January 13, 2010
I think it's a valid opinion to hold.
And you’re right to stick to your guns on it, IMO. But statements about “majority opinion” won’t help your case. Just say your piece and let it go.
Faux - January 13, 2010
Of course it's immature and I easily could've chosen to be better than this
On the other hand, fuck Steve C., and us authors are the only people who actually know who he is anyway.
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
What about the mind readers?
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
How are you still on the Twilight thing
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
It wasn't even a Twilight joke
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
Are you thinking about Twilight too, Jeff?
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
Only when you are involved
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
.
Yes.
.Taylor - January 13, 2010
Could be...
an Angel joke.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 13, 2010
I don't see that big of an issue.
Open up a phone book and go to the Cs. Then start looking for Steve. I guarantee that you’ll find more than a dozen on the first page. It’s not like Jeff gave out his full name and/or address that the tickets were shipped to.
The guy is in no danger of being found, and it lets him know that you don’t get to be retarded without some repercussions, even if it is just temporary notoriety on a blog.
Faux - January 13, 2010
Wait, do phone books even exist anymore?
Faux - January 13, 2010
Does my little black book count?
ToddK - January 13, 2010
I never even had one of those, I grew up late enough to use a cell phone.
Faux - January 13, 2010
Are you calling me old?
ToddK - January 13, 2010
Are you old?
Faux - January 13, 2010
Or just nostalgic?
I still use a typewriter on occasion.
Faux - January 13, 2010
Kind of.
ToddK - January 13, 2010
For some bizarre reason yes
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 14, 2010
Hell, Jeff was thoughtful enough by not putting that on the main page of the post.
ToddK - January 13, 2010
I think we know who Steve C. is now.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 13, 2010
Actually we don't
Steve C. is not a member here.
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
Yeah I know.
It was a poorly constructed joke suggesting that Taylor H. is Steve C.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 13, 2010
Whoopsadoodle
Jeff Sullivan - January 13, 2010
Aw but I wanna burn down his house now
Poochie - January 13, 2010
LL event!
Dewey N - January 13, 2010
LLyncing
Robert - January 13, 2010
Nice.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
The Lookout Landing Legion
We need a banner.
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 13, 2010
We're like Dumbledore's Army, but with beer
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
So the banner should be a modified beer sign?
ToddK - January 13, 2010
Seems like the power supply for the neon might be a bitch to carry around.
Faux - January 13, 2010
I know just the person for the job!
http://www.sbnation.com/users/coach%20owens
seattlebruin - January 13, 2010
I tried making this joke and found it lacking, so I deleted that part.
You seem up for the task. GOGOGOGOGO
Faux - January 13, 2010
Has anyone else noticed how much that looks like Cosmo Kramer?
ToddK - January 13, 2010
Yeah I wouldn't him want to set a bad precedent for this site.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2007/9/14/21727/2087
Robert - January 13, 2010
Dave Sims seems genuinely surprised that he is being asked about his hats while on the Caravan.
We have to have Dave Sims Hat Night this summer.
msb - January 13, 2010
Would have gone to see him but I had to work :(
Poochie - January 13, 2010
I'm late
but Fuck Steve S.
JBell523 - January 14, 2010
Steve C. too
JBell523 - January 14, 2010
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