Felix Hernandez, Seattle Mariner
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST
in Seattle Mariners Transactions
Time to be rational. As rational as one can be under the circumstances, anyway. Which is not very rational.
- Let us take this opportunity to thank everyone who played a part in bringing Felix to Seattle in the first place. Here are a couple good old P-I articles: Morosi and Andriesen. The key quote?
"The money was good, and Seattle treated me the best," he said through an interpreter.
Remember, the Mariners didn't offer Felix the most when he was a teenager. They were outbid. But Felix signed with the organization with whom he had formed the strongest relationship. Thank you to Luis Fuenmayor for noticing Felix at 14. Thank you to Pedro Avila, Bob Engle, and Emilio Carrasquel for both scouting Felix and developing a close relationship with his family. Thank you to Felix Sr. for serving as the younger Felix's advisor. And thank you to Freddy Garcia for unknowingly being Felix's idol at the time that Felix signed. This wouldn't have happened without all the organization's hard work, and it wouldn't have happened without a little good luck.
- Felix was a bigger deal at 14 than any of us will ever be, ever.
- Yesterday morning, I watched my favorite hockey team beat the crap out of a close division rival. Yesterday afternoon, I landed an absolute dream job and officially set in motion plans to move to Portland in a few weeks. And yesterday night, news broke of Felix Hernandez signing a long-term contract. I never thought the best day of my life would involve a complete stranger getting seventy-eight million dollars, but here we are.
- It's funny. Had the Mariners received top prospect Scott Elarton instead of Freddy Garcia in the Randy Johnson trade, then not only would we have wound up with a worse pitcher - we may never have been able to land the King. In a weird way, the Randy Johnson trade is kind of one of the best moves the team's ever made.
- So now we can all breathe easy. At the start of the offseason, I was cautiously optimistic. Then that dropped. Then, about a month ago, I started to get really good vibes. And now it's all set. In all honesty, by yesterday a Felix extension seemed more a question of When than If. But all along there was always that little shred of nightmare potential, and so to get this sewed up...I didn't think a Felix contract would make me this happy. Not in a million years. I could run a naked marathon.
- I would not be the least bit concerned about how the negotiations went. That $45m/4yr offer that broke a while back, for example - that was just a starting point. Today, Baker mentions that the M's wanted four years and Felix wanted six. It'd be easy to read that and think, "What? They only wanted four years?" But, for one thing, there aren't any details included. Could've easily wanted four guaranteed years with fifth- and maybe sixth-year options. And for another, this is how you negotiate. If Felix wants six and you're comfortable with five, you offer four and meet in the middle. You don't just cave to the other party's demands. Even when it's Felix. If you start with five, you run the risk of hitting an impasse - "If you can do five, what's the risk of one more year?" Go with four and there's an obvious compromise. I urge everyone to give the front office the benefit of the doubt, here. At the end of the day, they got their man locked up.
- There's been a little bit of disappointment among fans that there isn't a sixth year. I get it. This is Felix. I would've done six, too. But remember that, historically, long-term pitcher contracts haven't worked out very well. When pitchers are involved, it's hard enough to predict what's going to happen one year down the road, nevermind a half-dozen. I would say that this five-year contract is the absolute ideal. It's both long enough to keep Felix around for a while, and short enough to reduce the odds of an albatross. A sixth-year option would've been cool, but you can't ask the world to be perfect, and we already live in a reality in which Felix Hernandez is a Seattle Mariner through October 2014.
- When people would ask him about his future in recent months, Felix would sarcastically repond with statements like "ask the Mariners" or jokes about how he was being traded to Boston. Now that's all out the window. In 2010, we get to watch Felix Hernandez pitch stress-free. Make no mistake: he is happy to be here. He wouldn't have been open to an extension if he weren't. He is happy to be here, and before long the Mariners are going to give him a taste of the playoffs.
- In the past, I have expressed concern that the front office wasn't going about handling the Felix situation in the right way. I take it all back.
- Dear Boston and New York,
Yeah, there's a team way over here. I know, right?
Sincerely,
The Team With More Felix Hernandezes Than You
- I don't even...seriously. Seriously? In 2008, the Mariners paid about $51m for Richie Sexson, Jose Vidro, Carlos Silva, Jarrod Washburn, and Miguel Batista. Now our long-term contracts belong to Felix Hernandez, Franklin Gutierrez, Ichiro, Milton Bradley, Chone Figgins, Jack Wilson, and Dustin Ackley. I think that means we're doing better.
FUCK YA!
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Bob Engle is so awesome.
I don’t think he gets the recognition he deserves.
200tang - January 19, 2010
Suddenly all eyes turn to this El Salvadorian
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Salvadoran, I think.
JY - January 19, 2010
Maybe he can be El Salvador of the franchise's pitching prospect problem
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Why would you want to salve a door?
The Typical Idiot Fan - January 19, 2010
Somebody slammed it
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Truly.
It’s hard to comment on all of the things he really had his hands on, because he’s only listed as the signing scout with so many guys, but it seems like every year we have someone break through to become a legit prospect in the organization despite being a relatively low-dollar signing that no one thought much of at the time. Michael Pineda is the example I’m thinking of at the moment, mainly because I’m not sure exactly how good Erasmo Ramirez (actually an Engle signing) is quite yet.
JY - January 19, 2010
Now we just need Jeanne Zelasko to ask Felix about signing with Boston next winter
Matthew - January 19, 2010
Dream job?
What are you doing in Portland?
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
I'd prefer to keep that off the website
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
But I can't communicate with you without the website.
Because you don’t exist – You’re a blog.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
But seriously congrats - I may actually get to meet you.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
You're going to work for Voodoo Donuts?
JY - January 19, 2010
A real dream job would be Voodoo Donuts working for me
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
I'd be huge if I lived in Portland
Seattle has great food. But boy do I love Portland. Whiffie’s Fried Pies, Pine State Biscuits, Bunk Sandwiches… I’m getting hungry right now and I just ate lunch!
arbeck77 - January 19, 2010
Pine State is so good it makes me want to kill people.
wilsonpdx - January 19, 2010
I thought it was just the line that made me want to kill!
arbeck77 - January 19, 2010
I have yet to eat at Pine State because I don't want to wait in those weekend lines
but I hear it’s amazing.
pdb - January 19, 2010
I could so make love to a reggie deluxe right now
coasty141 - January 19, 2010
Welcome to in market games
and the city with the highest tiity bar per capita ratio
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
Damn.
I finally delurk myself and look forward to watching the M’s smacking down our MLBapprovedhatednaturalrival Padres with the LL gang… And the gang leaves town. At least the weather is prepping you for Portland today!
Also, FELIX!!!!
ExiledToSoCal - January 19, 2010
June 11-13th?
May fly down for that.
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
While awesome, Jeff is only one of the LL SoCalers.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
I leave my responsibilities to Teej
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
When he yells at Griffey, it won't be a hate crime.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Man, I thought I'd at least get a share of it
or Chinn
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Affirmative action right here
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Fucking racials
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
rucking facials?
seattle_since_81 - January 19, 2010
Got it, boss.
Teej - January 19, 2010
True.
But it’s never too early to get you guys fighting over who gets to run the show down here, now is it?
ExiledToSoCal - January 19, 2010
Daddy's still here
Go play outside.
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Awww! Cmon!
I was hoping to see a three way cage match between Teej, abender, and seattlebruin.
ExiledToSoCal - January 19, 2010
We will gang up on Teej but then Teej will just call his gangbanger friends and destroy us
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
You realize you can't summon the vampires in real life, right?
pdb - January 19, 2010
That is one diverse cage match
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
It's pretty simple. Once a year, you e-mail everyone and tell them to meet at Bondi Bar in the Gaslamp Quarter.
Teej - January 19, 2010
This is why Teej is the new leader
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
I let y'all know about the M's-Padres brewfest at Hamiltons last year, but noooooo....
~cries
lemonverbena - January 19, 2010
It was in the middle of a weekday!
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
I was in the Bahamas!
Teej - January 19, 2010
Your feeble excuses are not accepted
lemonverbena - January 19, 2010
It was during a workweek, I lived in LA, and 25% of my brain was in the Bahamas.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Can you just give us the address?
Grant Brisbee - January 19, 2010
612 Wharf Avenue.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Right next to the gentlemen's club?
Dewey N - January 19, 2010
Ahahaha,
Win.
joof - January 19, 2010
I think you mean wprf
Poochie - January 19, 2010
Shit what is that from again?
d0nkey - January 19, 2010
I Need Candy!
Teej - January 19, 2010
Ah yeah
d0nkey - January 19, 2010
One of my favorites.
gregrabble - January 19, 2010
If you get a chance to see him live do it.
He puts on a killer show
d0nkey - January 19, 2010
Do it for da shorteez
abender20 - January 19, 2010
All I want to know is how your new job effects your time dedicated here?
I imagine you won’t have as much time to devote to your work here.
Congratulations on the dream job. Not many people get to do it.
Wilder. - January 19, 2010
It will in no way have a negative effect on my work here
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Thanks!
Wilder. - January 19, 2010
I'm guessing that you are going to be an announcer for a Portland strip club
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
Most. Thankless. Job. Ever.
Strip clubs have announcers?
pdb - January 19, 2010
That was my question
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
WEIGHING IN AT AN EVEN 115 LBS, FROM SPEARMINT RHINO, CINNNNNAAAAAMONNNNNN.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Only the cheesiest ones.
Avoid.
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
HEYYyyAtshasheenthiFLAmmserbrahccccccrrrrrYYYSSSTAAAALLL!!!!
marc w - January 19, 2010
It's always an Australian accent isn't it? Or am I wrong about this
Kermit. - January 19, 2010
I don't think so. I've never been able to understand it.
marc w - January 19, 2010
Things that may surprise you about the PDX
Portland is low on:
- Black people (unless you’re in North Portland)
- Sunshine
- Fake boobs
- Liquor stores
- Angels fans
Portland has a surplus of:
- Asians
- Rain
- Hairy legs
- Brew pubs
- Antipathy about pro sports
PDXTai - January 20, 2010
I live in North Portland and it's about .000001% more black than the rest of the city
This is seriously the whitest big city I’ve ever seen in my life.
pdb - January 20, 2010
So you're saying Jeff is going to love it there?
OlSalty - January 20, 2010
My burb is often referred to as Lake No-Negro (instead of Oswego)
When I lived in St. Johns it seemed there were a lot more black people than the rest of Portland, but that was 10 years ago.
PDXTai - January 20, 2010
Saying "there are a lot more black people than the rest of Portland"
isn’t saying much.
pdb - January 20, 2010
Fair enough.
I’ve often wondered if the Portland Trailblazers organization account for a noticeable percentage of the black people in Portland. By noticeable, I mean more than 0.1%
PDXTai - January 20, 2010
Never been to Salt Lake City, huh?
ToddK - January 20, 2010
There's not a large black population, but SLC has a surprisingly large non Caucasian population
Corco - January 20, 2010
Yes, the hispanic community is pretty large.
ToddK - January 20, 2010
Mormons are like black people
No, wait, they’re like the opposite of black people.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
A black guy helped us park once outside of a bar
Jeff Sullivan - January 20, 2010
You should have said that to Metsgrrl
Poochie - January 20, 2010
Growing a beard and buying a bicycle, for starters.
He also needs more ironic t-shirts.
wilsonpdx - January 19, 2010
Putting a "Keep Portland Weird" sticker on the back of his bald head.
Sec 108 - January 19, 2010
I hope he likes being nude in public.
wilsonpdx - January 19, 2010
congrats Jeff on the dream job
whatever it may be
Freneau - January 19, 2010
Becoming my mortal enemy
Robert - January 19, 2010
This is the greatest day ever.
I don’t even mind being hungover. 5 more years of Felix!
AtomicGarden - January 19, 2010
My favorite quote from that post:
Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
sirbrianwilson - January 19, 2010
I honestly got a little choked up reading this.
The turnaround has been so fast and so thorough that it boggles the mind. . . but somehow Jeff summed it all up in one sentence. Kudos.
D'ohboy - January 19, 2010
Agree!
We’ve come so far.
Andrew E - January 19, 2010
Bradley too!
Poochie - January 19, 2010
Whoopsadoodle
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Aw you know I think the world of you
Poochie - January 19, 2010
Arent there only 2 years left on his deal?
That wouldnt count as a long term would it?
Paseman - January 19, 2010
Wilson's also has 2 years left.
Mariner John - January 19, 2010
YAY FELIX!
Also, congrats on the job, Jeff. Good news for you.
JLProck - January 19, 2010
This all goes back to the Langston trade.
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
I think that one gif needs updating
You know the one I speak of
d0nkey - January 19, 2010
I remember being so upset by the Langston trade
But how was I to know that we would get Felix from the trade.
HitKing69 - January 19, 2010
Gene Harris was the cherry on top.
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
And Brian Holman's near-perfect game not too bad
HitKing69 - January 19, 2010
RJ's no-no
ToddK - January 19, 2010
Bullshit.
And original Mariner Bill Stein!
PositivePaul - January 19, 2010
Welcome to the Pacific NW.
One step closer to Seattle!
appleshampoo - January 19, 2010
Pacific NW really falls under the same umbrella
Portland-Seattle-Vancouver is basically the same I think.
Fin - January 19, 2010
Not even close
pdb - January 19, 2010
Well, sort of close. I think.
Matthew - January 19, 2010
geographically sure
but culturally I find Portland to be vastly different from Seattle, and while I haven’t spent a ton of time in Vancouver recently it’s also pretty different from either Portland or Seattle.
pdb - January 19, 2010
I meant geographically mostly,
but even culturally, I think they’re far more alike than different. I mean, I think Seattle is far more like Vancouver and Portland, than say San Francisco, Billings, LA, Salt Lake, etc.
Matthew - January 19, 2010
Which is the point I was getting at.
Fin - January 19, 2010
Whatever differences there are
they all are the same place when compared to say, Nassau County. Trust me.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
This is undoubtedly true.
pdb - January 19, 2010
I can't totally put my finger on what makes Portland feel so much different than Seattle for sure
Sometimes I think it feels like you took Seattle and then removed all the rich and poor people, made it a lot whiter and increased the number of people in their 30s.
Edgar for Pres - January 20, 2010
Portland is a far less aspirational city than Seattle is
People move to Portland because they feel like it’s a place where they can live however they want and not have to join the rat race or always aspire to the bigger house, bigger car, etc. People here are totally cool with their lot in life for the most part and don’t care about much else other than doing their thing their way.
pdb - January 20, 2010
And I say that as a very good thing not a knock
pdb - January 20, 2010
Yeah I think that sounds right
Edgar for Pres - January 20, 2010
Funny, I was just thinking how I would never aspire to be a regular poster on a famous blog.
Too much stress!
PDXTai - January 20, 2010
There are neighborhoods in Seattle like that though.
I think of Portland as Seattle if you removed most of the CBD
Matthew - January 20, 2010
And Broadmoor, and Magnolia, and Laurelhurst
pdb - January 20, 2010
Nobody likes those people anyways
Matthew - January 20, 2010
Yeah, what kind of loser would live in Broadmoor
.Taylor - January 20, 2010
Somebody that nobody likes I suspect
Matthew - January 20, 2010
Broadmoor had covenants
Prohibiting the occupation of any house there "by any Hebrew or by any person of the Ethiopian, Malay or any Asiatic Race" — and that lasted into the ’60s.
The stench of that still clings to the place, and no quantity of golf towels can scrub it off.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
And let's go ahead and close this subthread now just in case
pdb - January 21, 2010
This is exactly right, and why I want to end up back in Portland.
Faux - January 20, 2010
Portland is now the setting
For a show on the CW. The CW. I think I’d rather have “Frasier” than “Juno meets the Gilmore Girls” but whatever the case, this officially marks the point at which Portland has been “discovered.” The artists will be leaving shortly, as the city has clearly jumped the shark.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
Portland has been the darling of the NYT for about two years now
nobody’s leaving because nobody here cares.
pdb - January 21, 2010
A matter of degrees
Portland is a lot closer to Seattle culturally than, say, Dallas or Knoxville.
Yes, there are significant differences. I don’t think they would be readily apparent to those from outside the PNW.
PDXTai - January 20, 2010
Portland is where native San Diegans move to completely escape nice weather
lemonverbena - January 19, 2010
Twenty five years from now
Felix Hernandez will be known as the best pitcher who ever lived
Dewey N - January 19, 2010
Which would suck because that would mean he'll be dead by then.
ThundaPC - January 19, 2010
So
Lackey gets 5 years for 80+ million.
Felix gets 78 million, not counting the incentives.
Pretty good stuff there, Jack Z.
Slica - January 19, 2010
Well, Felix had two years of arbitration
But still, yeah.
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Ahh duh.
Good point!
Slica - January 19, 2010
But Felix is also 8 years younger.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
And a total cartelua.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
More Felix Hernandezes
Than everyone in the league combined.
zeeehjee - January 19, 2010
1. Move to Portland.
2. Go to Pine State.
3. Order the Reggie Deluxe.
4. ?
5. Profit.
Spider Jerusalem - January 19, 2010
The last point sent chills down my spine.
What a great, young, solid core to build around. In my 29 years, I don’t know if I could have dreamt up a better scenario for my hometown team.
seattle_since_81 - January 19, 2010
And Jack Wilson!
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Ichiro is 36
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
Ichiro is ageless
I challenge you to find a 36 year old who enjoys tickling that much*
*-That isn’t loading large bags of candy into his windowless van at Costco
seattlecougar - January 19, 2010
Ick!
ToddK - January 19, 2010
Jesus Christ this is hard to believe.
Mariner John - January 19, 2010
Yeah, in human years
ermac - January 19, 2010
When 900 years old he'll reach, look as good he will not, hmm?
ThundaPC - January 19, 2010
Its hard to believe he already had a Japanese HOF career before he even got here.
And that he’s already been here 9 years. I’m starting to dread the day he declares that its time for the R-word. Thankfully that will probably be in another decade give or take a year.
Menthu Ra - January 20, 2010
In 3 years Bob Engle will sign another young stud
and this kid will want to play for us because his favorite player is felix!
Marinerfanjake - January 19, 2010
Well there was the signing of the 17 year old El Salvadoran that was reported yesterday.
Let’s see if that will be him.
seattle_since_81 - January 19, 2010
Here's my question:
How much does the Felix signing have to do with Chavez devaluing the Bolivar by 50% last Friday?
I’m thinking Felix saw everybody freaking out around him, going out and trying to safeguard wealth by buying real assets like TV’s, Washers, Dryers, etc. He sees this crap going on and he thinks “I need to get as much money as I possibly can, and I need to get it now!” Hence the deal.
Thoughts?
wobbly wobbly - January 19, 2010
Nothing at all
He will be paid in dollars
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
Maybe we fooled him into taking space cash
Dewey N - January 19, 2010
This
Athletes that play American sports get paid in American dollars.
pdb - January 19, 2010
He was paid in venazuelan whores
Marinerfanjake - January 19, 2010
No he wasn't
he was paid in USD.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
Of course they do
but he has extended family living in Maracaibo.
wobbly wobbly - January 19, 2010
Why would Felix take a different amount of money based on the exchange rate in a different country?
abender20 - January 19, 2010
The extended family will not be paid at all
they do not play for the Mariners
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
I'm just sayin
That country is in chaos right now, financially and politically. He provides for his extended family…… I know it’s quite a leap.
wobbly wobbly - January 19, 2010
Yes, but he provides for them in the American dollars he gets paid in
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
The point is about timing; if he signed the deal to get something *now* rather than wait it out
That is, would he have signed this deal 2 weeks ago? It’s a counterfactual that no one knows the answer to, but the whole “he’s paid in dollars” thing doesn’t address the original point, or at least what I interpreted the original point was…
marc w - January 19, 2010
Thank you marc
Chavez is also setting exchange rates differently for wealthier people transferring dollars in and out of the country. I think those rates will not be kind to a $80 million man.
wobbly wobbly - January 19, 2010
Except that the vicissitudes of Venezuelan currency have nothing to do with what he will get from the M's.
Felix knows that and if not his agent does. And as for psychological motivations – needing security now rather than later and so on – this line of questioning cannot lead anywhere.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
The vicissitudes of the currency *could* impact his motivation to sign right now.
If you think the line of questioning is meaningless piffle, that’s fine, but again, saying “he’s paid in US dollars” doesn’t exactly shut off that line of questioning – it merely ignores it.
I’m not generally interested in armchair psychology, but when we’re talking about Felix, I’m a bit more, er, open-minded.
marc w - January 19, 2010
Welcome to the NW, Jeff.
As a transplant myself, you will learn to really love living here.
Fin - January 19, 2010
But do watch for people being less outgoing than in other regions.
Fin - January 19, 2010
"Less outgoing" is a polite way to put it.
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
I plan to nod politely if I see him.
msb - January 19, 2010
And they were saying the people in the NW aren't outgoing... pshaw!
ToddK - January 19, 2010
It's safer than waving.
If you wave and the person doesn’t see you, you just look dumb.
JY - January 19, 2010
I plan to wolf whistle
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 19, 2010
rawr.
msb - January 19, 2010
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S CALLED
Poochie - January 19, 2010
"Conversational minimalists"
BrianL - January 19, 2010
"Socially hesitant"
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
"Interaction-averse"
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
"Laid-back"
Matthew - January 19, 2010
Please stop talking to me.
msb - January 19, 2010
"In his or her own little world"
JY - January 19, 2010
That's what the earphones are for.
msb - January 19, 2010
Because I'm a social butterfly
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
I think you have to live here to know exactly what I mean.
Fin - January 19, 2010
I'm friends with Matthew
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Be ready to play a lot of eye games
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
And Graham?
Fin - January 19, 2010
Well yes
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
How about Robert?
Poochie - January 19, 2010
Stop
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
I don't get what this means but see if I offer to kill myself in order to help you get a job promotion again.
Robert - January 19, 2010
You're refering to the 'Seattle Freeze', I'm assuming.
melenious - January 19, 2010
Yes, I had forgotten that term but that's exactly what I mean.
People will be polite to you, but then they do not really make any effort in knowing you or befriending you.
Fin - January 19, 2010
Shame, that.
royalcurve - January 19, 2010
Okay, but to defend Seattle
You are absolutely right that people don’t go out of your way to get to know you, but no one dislikes other people. They just don’t need them around because they are satisfied with the people they already know. I don’t think it’s a conscious effort to not enjoy the company of new people.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
That is true. I do not think its intentional
Its just obvious enough that people have coined a term for this.
Fin - January 19, 2010
Absolutely. Visit any other city for a day and the number of non-drunk people that try to talk to you is astounding.
In Seattle it’s so rare that you know there must be something wrong with the person, and you’ll usually be right.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
I think people thought there was something wrong with me when I attempted to be outgoing after first moving here.
Now I’ve kind of been beaten into submission to where I conform with this Seattle friendly/unfriendliness.
Fin - January 19, 2010
Well, it's a rightfully deserved defense mechanism now.
As I said, people are not generally outgoing, so if someone is outgoing (thus deviating from the cultural norm) there is a good chance they’re a little funky in the head. And I’d say in like 95% of cases, that’s accurate. The people that are normal have learned to keep to themselves, because it is more common for normal people to follow the social rules of the city.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Don't succumb to it! Everywhere I go I meet interesting people.
Then occasionally certain friends talk about how they never meet anybody interesting. Whenever that point in the conversation comes up I just stare at them.
Kermit. - January 19, 2010
Hahah so true
royalcurve - January 19, 2010
I totally agree.
Usually I give people the benefit of doubt but most times the conversation starts to take a turn and I begin to reach for my purse to find my pepper spray.
melenious - January 19, 2010
I guess I will avoid you at the next LL event then.
Fin - January 19, 2010
Unless you tell me you want to tie me up and beat the living hell out of me
I assure you the pepper spray will not be needed.
melenious - January 19, 2010
So most of your conversations pertain to you tying you up and beating you up?
Fin - January 19, 2010
This is a conversation that can't go anywhere good.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Depends on the time of the day.
melenious - January 19, 2010
I dislike many other people
Graham MacAree - January 19, 2010
Holy crap me too.
But I’m also a massive elitist.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
If you lost weight then you'd just be an elitist
pdb - January 19, 2010
6'0, 150.
So I guess I’m a lean elitist?
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Well that doesn't sound as cool at all.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
A lean, mean elitist machine!
pdb - January 19, 2010
Yay =D
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Dude, eat a sandwich
Corco - January 19, 2010
Whereas Graham has no elitist tendencies whatsoever
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 19, 2010
I said "also."
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Ah yes I see that now
Kirsten Schlewitz - January 19, 2010
I like the people I know, but I am always happy to meet new people. It's harder to do that in Seattle than many other places I've been due to, what seems to me anyway, as a total fear of confrontation with anyone new.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
It's not "fear of confrontation with anyone new"
It’s the respect of leaving you the fuck alone. When I go other places I can’t believe how often random strangers seem to think I’m interested in their boring pathetic lives and their stupid ignorant opinions; even worse, they frequently seem to think my life and opinions are going to be somehow interesting to them. It’s called small talk for a reason: it’s all a huge waste of everyone’s time. I’m always so glad to get back to Seattle where I can go out to a restaurant or a bar or a coffee shop and not have to talk to anyone beyond ordering my food or drink.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
I do not understand this attitude one bit.
Learning about other people is the only path to truly understanding the world in general. If you close yourself off like this for the rest of your life your brain will atrophy.
Some of the best advice I was ever given was to make sure I do NOT surround myself with people who are just like me. We cannot and do not learn from life until we are confronted with beliefs and attitudes that challenge our own position. In my limited travels I have learned more by meeting and talking to random people in bars and ballparks than I ever have by reading a book.
When someone honestly shows interest in your “life and opinions” then that is a sign of respect. Ignoring you and allowing you to live in an isolated bubble is a sign of thinking you are meaningless and unnecessary.
Sec 108 - January 20, 2010
Very very well said
Dewey N - January 20, 2010
All very true, but it's still nice to be left alone sometimes.
(I think I’m part of the problem)
marc w - January 20, 2010
I largely (almost 100%, really) agree with Sec 108
but I think the key is being able to figure out when people want to be left alone and not taking it as a personal affront. I don’t think the NW is unfriendly, and in general people will engage you in conversation if there’s a mutual interest, but we are very good at picking up on social cues.
Aaron Campeau - January 20, 2010
I wish more people would think the way you did.
BrettJMiller - January 20, 2010
It probably is best that there is only one of me.
Sec 108 - January 20, 2010
I prefer to think we aren't fake nice to people just for the sake of being nice
Except when trying to merge onto a freeway. Then NW are obsurdly nice.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
That's not nice;
that’s dangerously passive.
Matthew - January 19, 2010
Haha, true. Thats a better term
But I bet Jeff’s chances of dying in an accident drop by about 500% since people in California can’t drive worth shit.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
So he'll gain 5 lives every time he goes driving?
Life isn’t a video game, son.
Eyebrows - January 19, 2010 via mobile
It's raining outside!
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
*sigh*
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
I love the car cut in half
Mariner John - January 19, 2010
Or I guess partially erased would be more accurate.
Mariner John - January 19, 2010
This happens in Portland when the sun is overly bright.
We have traffic jams because of sunshine. It’s hard to believe until you experience it for yourself.
PDXTai - January 20, 2010
This happens all the time on the 520 as well.
Though to be fair, the sun can be blinding during certain angles. It still doesn’t beat hearing “traffic slow on 520 westbound due to unusual sunshine” on the traffic report.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
Better than how 1-90 slows down for the dip to the floating bridge
That causes a traffic back all the way through Mercer Island.
Robert - January 20, 2010
The hills are a killer at sunrise/sunset and no one buys sunglasses because hey, Portland.
Faux - January 20, 2010
Seattle sells more sunglasses per capita than any other city in the nation
so that’s not a great excuse.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
Really? Who knew?
Maybe I never noticed sunglasses on people until after I left the PNW.
Faux - January 20, 2010
The reason why this happens is because a lot of people have to buy a new pair every summer
because they lost them during the winter. Whereas in LA, people are able to wear their sunglasses year round, so they don’t lose them as often.
seattle_since_81 - January 20, 2010
Lost them, or they got buried under something and broke.
JY - January 20, 2010
Bookmark this comment
you can use it every day here between now and June!
pdb - January 19, 2010
Count the squares!!
http://www.sigalert.com/Map.asp?Region=Greater+Los+Angeles#lat=32.80692&lon=-117.04402&z=0
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
It's people up here that don't know how to drive.
Matthew - January 19, 2010
Jeff is going to have fun when it snows!
BrianL - January 19, 2010
Nobody drives when it snows
well, except for the buses
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
I was actually driving by this as it happened.
It was somewhat frightening.
BrianL - January 19, 2010
I went through there less than 5 minutes before
That was the day I quit my job!
tootthekazoo - January 19, 2010
This was two blocks from my place
I talked to a bunch of the kids on both the buses. They were yelling at the driver the whole time the idiot was headed down that street (and the whole time he was wandering around on Capitol Hill, for that matter). The crazy thing was that the second bus had time to see that the first bus was doing something stupid, but he followed him down anyway and knocked him out over the freeway.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
Speaking of Portland and snow and driving
They most definitely attempt it, they just don’t succeed.
And Portland gets those lovely Ice Stroms, too.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
Maelstroms
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 20, 2010
I used to play pinball there about 30 years ago.
ToddK - January 20, 2010
Thank you
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
People in Southern California are bad drivers because they hate you;
People in Oregon are bad drivers because they’re stupid.
RunningFool - January 19, 2010
There are more bad drivers in Southern California because there are more people in Southern California
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Also, lots of Asians
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Fucking slanty eyes
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
This is racist, not racial
Matthew - January 19, 2010
But it's funny, so go fuck yourself.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Needs more hugs
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
You rang?
melenious - January 19, 2010
God I know.
BrianL - January 19, 2010
Maybe being in berkeley skews what I see?
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
It's hard to speed in cars that run on yogurt.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
There are so many priuses around here its insane.
If you aren’t driving a prius or riding a bike I’m pretty sure all native Berkeley hippies probably hate you. (or using some other golf cart electric thing)
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
But more roads.
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
Oregon is way worse than Washington
kentroyals5 - January 19, 2010
I would completely agree with this.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
People in Oregon can't handle snow so there's that
Poochie - January 19, 2010
People in Oregon can't handle merging at speed either
pdb - January 19, 2010
Well neither can I and it's not so bad
Poochie - January 19, 2010
it's bad for those of us that realize highway speed limits are minimums as well as maximums
pdb - January 19, 2010
I try!
Poochie - January 19, 2010
This is one of my favorite things about Oregon, or...was pre-2002
Is the fact that Speed Limit signs don’t wear the word “Limit.”
The sign has a different connotation without limit, even if the law is the same in practice. “Speed Limit 60” implies that you can’t go faster than 60, but slower is fine, when really it’s not. “Speed 60” implies that 60 is the speed you go to drive on this road, which to me is much better (unless it’s snowing).
Regrettably, a lot of municipalities in Oregon are replacing their “Speed” signs with “Speed Limit” signs since Oregon legalized it in 2002. I wish the reverse was true and the rest of the country would drop the word “Limit” from their speed limit signs
Corco - January 19, 2010
That makes a ton of sense. I would be in favor.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
Too often people feel that it is a maximum only
which leads them to trying to self police the roads. Watch out for the people driving 60 in the far left lane trying to control the traffic around them.
seattle_since_81 - January 19, 2010
These people are the most dangerous people on the roads
I maintain that on freeways, the notion of “Keep Right Except to Pass” is THE MOST important law to follow, without any question at all.
It can be tricky on highly urban freeways, but the left lane should ALWAYS be moving faster than the rest of the flow of traffic, except at very peak rush-hour times
Corco - January 19, 2010
I've been behind people going 55 in the carpool lane before.
If you’re going to 55, what’s the fucking point of using the carpool lane? Seattle can be so annoying.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
I've argued with people about this.
Their contention is always that the carpool lane isn’t necessarily a fast lane; it’s merely a lane for multi-person vehicles that just happens to be on the far left end of the road.
katal - January 19, 2010
They would be incorrect
The SOLE intent of the carpool lane is so that it will move faster than the flow of traffic during rush hour. In which case it’s moving faster than the flow of traffic, and that’s fine
Corco - January 19, 2010
Road designers would be absolutely retarded and completely ignoring every established safety protocol
If they asked slow moving traffic to cut through fast moving traffic to get to their lane
Corco - January 19, 2010
Road designers put onramps/offramps on the left side of the road
so they might be retarded.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
Only due to design constraints
And to appease carpool lanes, which has nothing to do with road designers but if I were to explain why it would get political, if that explains why
Corco - January 19, 2010
Yeah I usually understand why they do it
but it totally fucks traffic flow.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
They also put a 90 degree right turn ramp off a bridge.
So, yes, they are retarded.
ToddK - January 20, 2010
But if it's in rush hour traffic, wouldn't it still be under the speed limit?
Thus proving the people who are driving at 55mph correct?
katal - January 19, 2010
That's the problem; it has nothing to do with speed limit
It has to do with speed of flow of traffic.
If traffic is moving at 80 MPH in the right lanes, it doesn’t matter if you’re going 60 in the leftmost lane even if it’s the posted speed limit, you’re a danger on the roadway.
If traffic is moving at 10 MPH in the rightmost lanes and 30 MPH in the carpool lane, then the leftmost lane is moving fastest relative to flow of traffic, and that’s not dangerous
Corco - January 19, 2010
Speed limits are an arbitrary design
The actual safety on the roadway accounted for by people designing the roads is that the inner lane should move fastest, no matter what.
You don’t cut through lanes moving faster than you to get to a slower lane. This is applied in every single country in the world, for good reason. Because it works.
Corco - January 19, 2010
Totally agree, by the way. Only playing devil's advocate.
Why doesn’t the law reflect the intent of the people who designed the road?
katal - January 19, 2010
I can't answer that without getting political
If that answers your question
Corco - January 19, 2010
Also I don't think the original designers of carpool lanes had any concept of the smug douchebag who uses it because he can
Corco - January 19, 2010
That's our Corco!
Eyebrows - January 19, 2010
Fair enough.
Thanks for the discussion.
katal - January 19, 2010
This is one of the most blatantly untrue statements I have ever read in my entire life
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
You really think so?
I think everybody I’ve talked to from around the country has agreed CA drivers are some of the worst they’ve seen.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
Everyone from around the country doesn't fucking know how to drive
also, drivers in the Bay are much worse than in SoCal
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Yeah Berkeley = International Students = asians
I can’t speak for SoCal. Can’t they just cut this state in half already so that I can make broad sweeping statments about where I live that make sense.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
Oh further evidence
I just got a car down here and called to get insurance. The guy on the phone chuckled and said I qualified for a good driver discount and said he was surprised since he didn’t see many of those in California so my opinion isn’t totally based on my personal road rage experiences down here.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
So instead it's based on an insurance salesman making a sweeping generalization while trying to make small talk?
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Haha, I know its stupid
Just confirmed my existing opinions. I’ll try to begin with a fresh mind though now that apparently I might be wrong.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
According to an insurance survey in like 2006, drivers in the state of Idaho are the best in the country
I refuse to believe this is true. They’re excellent on snow, but put them in a city and it’s ridiculous. I know 50 year old Idaho natives that are excellent drivers in adverse conditions, but get flustered driving around Boise. Boise!
Insurance Companies and the truth are two separate things.
Corco - January 19, 2010
Obviously this is just my experience,
but Los Angeles is the only city where I’ve experienced more frustrating rush-hour traffic than Boise.
Teej - January 19, 2010
It's because Boise drivers (especially the Canyon County commuters)
all are blissfully unaware that their city is big now and still haven’t figured out how to drive in a larger city
Also, because Boise boomed so quickly, I-84 is a disaster, or at least was a couple years ago. It was just sort of a bypass before, then it suddenly got shoved into primary commuter artery service. They’re working really hard on it right now though, and that should make things better.
Corco - January 19, 2010
There's also a neat mix of driving styles
You have lots of Denver immigrants, who drive really fast and like idiots for no reason, lots of Californian immigrants, who drive really fast but not like idiots, lots of Seattle/Portland immigrants, who, well, drive like pansies, lots of Salt Lake drivers who have no real reason to drive like idiots but do anyway (here in Wyoming, we give Utah, Colorado, and Texas plates lots of extra space when the roads are bad…despite that Utah and Colorado drivers should know how to drive in snow, they remarkably have no idea…Texans obviously get a free pass (they have no reason to know), as would most Washingtonians), and then lots of people who have no clue whatsoever how to drive in a city, which makes it fun!
Corco - January 19, 2010
California drivers are batshit scary if you're not used to them
But drive for 30 minutes in SoCal and it’s not so bad once you realize that they drive really aggressively, but predictably aggressively
I’d say they’re actually pretty good- SoCalers are the best mergers in the country, hands down
Corco - January 19, 2010
I actually do like driving on the freeway in CA
Everybody drives nice and fast. I think people tend to be more focused and like you said, are predictably aggressive.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
The key is to not give off any outward signs of impending movement
Where as a typical Seattle lane change might go-
Activate turn signal
Check mirror
Look over your shoulder
Change Lanes
an LA one needs to go
Check mirror
Lean forward in mirror to check your blind spot (if you look over your shoulder it’s clear you intend to change lanes, and then you’re a pussy)
Activate signal
Move car before the guy behind you gets a chance to speed up. Your signal shouldn’t flash more than twice
Corco - January 19, 2010
Also don't move to the edge of the lane before changing lanes- that's a sign of weakness
As long as you don’t hesitate and show no signs of giving a shit about the other cars around you (even if you actually do, and you should, the key is to be subtle) it’s pretty easy
Corco - January 19, 2010
haha, I like it
Yeah I think a typical NW driver probably eases into the lane they are going into for about 2-3 seconds. In comparison, everything else looks like Indy cars.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
To be nice to Seattle drivers, I essentially plucked the Seattle method right out of the common driver's education instructions on how to properly perform a lane change
Corco - January 19, 2010
I actually miss driving in Seattle sometimes
On I-25 north of Denver where the average flow of traffic is like 85 and everyone tailgates I actually have to be slightly aggressive, rather than just being slightly aggressive on I-5 for fun to scare Seattle drivers
Corco - January 19, 2010
That said, I think Denver drivers are really bad because they're really agressive but unlike...say...Chicago drivers, there's no predictable function to their aggressiveness
Corco - January 19, 2010
Driving west of Denver was an interesting experience
after going through Wyoming and being the only car on the road sometimes.
I don’t know if Denver drivers are unpredictably aggressive so much as maybe irrationally. When I see cars going ~90 and weaving in between semis that have their flashers on as though it were the most natural thing in the world, even I get a little intimidated.
JY - January 19, 2010
My main concern is that you'll be going 85 in a line of cars
And then, without hitting any other cars or an interchange, you suddenly find yourself going 55 for no apparent reason.
I’ve never seen drivers with less of a grasp of speed control
Corco - January 19, 2010
But you're right
Where my parents live in Idaho, the primary access is via a windy state highway that follows a river canyon.
A good chunk of the travelers are from Colorado.
The most common demographic that ends up in the river, dead, are mid-40s Colorado males driving pickup trucks with snowmobile/boat trailers. They simply drive too fast on mountain roads.
Corco - January 19, 2010
I will say that for a couple years I drove a 15 passenger van routinely on the freeways in Tacoma/Seattle
And when you’re driving a large vehicle Seattle drivers really become a lot meaner- they do not want a 15 passenger van in front of them and will step up their agression significantly to prevent you from being allowed in in front of them
Corco - January 19, 2010
Driving I-5 from Tacoma to Seattle in a Chevy Express
is a significantly different and more difficult experience from doing it in a 2002 Jeep Liberty or a 1990 Dodge Colt
Corco - January 19, 2010
I am kind of a dick to people who are so apprehensive and uncertain on the freeway because I feel like they're making the freeway less safe for all of us.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
Good
Corco - January 19, 2010
I also find that by doing this they fear that you are someone crazy and thus get out of your way.
If someone does something worthy of a honk in Seattle, always honk. They’ll yield to you. I wouldn’t honk anywhere else I’ve driven though, because I value living.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
I'm pretty horn heavy everywhere when people are being dipshits
Ironically, the only time I’ve ever had problems with it was in Tacoma.
One night I was on an onramp to get on Route 16 heading towards I-5, and some dipshit passed me and cut me off on the onramp with about 6 inches to spare. I honked my horn.
I got on 16. This car was in the right, I got in the left as the right was moving too slow for my tastes, then I-5 north, then got off at I-705. As I was on the offramp to I-705, this car appears out of nowhere, passes me, and slams on the brakes. I had to go from 65 to 10 in almost no time, and my brakes squealed.
That mofo was pissed I honked at him
Corco - January 19, 2010
You're in Tacoma
You’re lucky he didn’t shoot your cracka ass
Brian Floyd - January 19, 2010
I was quite nervous about that happening, actually
Corco - January 19, 2010
What?
I found the people of Seattle to be off-puttingly friendly.
They’re far more outgoing than Canadians.
Llewdor - January 19, 2010
God I hate Canadians.
Smug assholes.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Canadians are all afraid of the dark.
joof - January 19, 2010
Seriously?
I haven’t met a mean Canadian. Not in Vancouver at least.
Fin - January 19, 2010
My boss is canadian.
And my high school basketball team only played canadian teams.
Scruffy Lefty - January 20, 2010
Kiefer Sutherland is Canadian.
Slurvey - January 19, 2010
But Jack Bauer isn't.
kentroyals5 - January 19, 2010
This.
Scruffy Lefty - January 20, 2010
I was at the Tulalip outlet mall and an employee at one of the stores was going on to me about how Canadian customers are just the worst.
“So rude!”
That took me by surprise.
katal - January 19, 2010
From what I've seen
At least half of the Canadian customers at the Tulalip outlet mall are Vancouver Chinese. The men go to the casino while the wives shop. I’m not saying that correlates to rudeness; I’m saying the sample at the Tulalip outlet mall is not representative.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
I think he was quoting someone who was using Canadians as a code word for black people
Edgar for Pres - January 20, 2010
No, it's Hispanics
Damn frostbacks.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
As a native of Seattle and current resident
I’d have to say we’re friendly and pretty chill but as far as making friends, all of mine are from my childhood or high school days. It could also be because I’m generally pretty distrusting of most people.
On a high note though, I’d have to say Seattle folks are a helpful bunch.
melenious - January 19, 2010
That's what I think it is
I think people have the same friends from childhood, so they do not see the need to reach out to someone they aren’t familiar with, therefore, the Seattle freeze.
Fin - January 19, 2010
I've tried to explain this phenomenon to others.
It doesn’t usually go over that well, and it’s only since I’ve moved away that I realized how odd this is.
JY - January 19, 2010
It's happening to me now.
It’s not really intentionally, it’s just that when you get in a new group of people that all don’t really want to talk to each other more than maybe saying hi it’s difficult to make any sort of lasting friendship.
Mariner John - January 19, 2010
All I can say is that it takes time.
Really. Stick around for awhile and you might find yourself pleasantly surprised.
melenious - January 19, 2010
Interestingly
I’ve seen this term applied more to the dating scene but that’s for another day and thread.
melenious - January 19, 2010
Absolutely. On both counts, since this thread would be off topic.
But yes, to your original point, absolutely if not more so.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
This is why I moved
Corco - January 19, 2010
"It could also be because I’m generally pretty distrusting of most people."
That’s true of the NW in general. Afterall, this is the land of serial killers — and if they’re not home grown, they come up to visit like the Hillside Strangler.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
Though lately
It just seems to be random stabbings and shootings by the mentally deranged, and not just of cops (though they’ve been taking the brunt of it).
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
I imagine Jeff will miss seeing girls walking around in bikinis.
I’m not gonna say NW people are ugly but I would say we are not the most beautiful people ever. I think it has something to do with not caring what people think and not seeing the sun.
And during his first winter here will become severely depressed. Sunny every day to not seeing the sun for 6 months will probably be traumatic. Just learn to not be a pussy and deal with it.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
You're confusing me with somebody that goes outside
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Gotta go outside to get to the good beer bars
pdb - January 19, 2010
He's confusing him with someone who goes outside and stays there longer than the trip between the car and the door
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
is that possible?
pdb - January 19, 2010
Apparently, yes
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Sounds like a waste
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Hey I spend 90% of my time in a basement or asleep in CA right now
and when I went home for Christmas I was amazed how grey and depressing the weather was. The best way I can describe it is that its like dusk all day long.
On the plus side, the rain and jet stream make it so that there is pretty much no pollution so the air quality is fabulous.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
Only piece of advice I ever give people about enjoying the PNW.
Go outside even if it is raining. It is the only way to stay sane.
Sec 108 - January 19, 2010
Its so true.
Rainy walks are the best.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Yeah I just haven't met many people who are from southern california
who learn to love the rain. I could tell a lot of the people at UW from CA got depressed that first winter they were here.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
My advice? Pick up skiing or snowboarding. It'll make the winter go by a lot faster.
melenious - January 19, 2010
Or you can drink enough to forget most of it.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Or both!
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Ah, yes. The hip flask is your friend.
melenious - January 19, 2010
I need to purchase a Mariners flask
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
I got a flash called Plan B for christmas.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
For celebratory drinking OR crushing despair drinking!
JY - January 19, 2010
Occasionally simultaneously!
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
"I’m not gonna say NW people are ugly..."
Well, then I will. Being one of them myself. But it happens pretty naturally: if you’re good-looking in the NW you move to NY to model or LA to act. Meanwhile, if you’re anywhere else in the country and looks aren’t your strong suit, you probably move to the NW.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
There is nothing wrong with Northwest people.
The only difference is that they are neither tan, nor dress in a manner that one would describe as “sexy.” If they did, they would be equally as attractive as most non-LA/SF/NY/HI cities.
CapSea - January 20, 2010
*Eastern Washington excluded.
CapSea - January 20, 2010
That's kind of my point
“non-LA/SF/NY/HI cities” I’m not good-looking enough to be gay in Seattle. I’m not good-looking enough to be straight in San Francisco. Or LA. (NY is kind of an odd case, because if you’re ugly there you can go the artsy/intellectual route and claim a kind of perverse Woody Allen attractiveness. Or you can just have money. You see some pretty ugly guys with good looking gfs there. It’s kind of the opposite of Seattle: you see a lot of very plain women here with mountain-god bfs. It may just be a supply/demand thing, though: excess models and model-wannabes in NY; excess rock-climbing white-water paddling studs in Seattle)
I have to say the lack of makeup here is nice, though, from a truth-in-advertising perspective.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
I think the women of Seattle are generally beautiful if you are willing to forgive the lack of flattering clothing.
And considering I’m one sexy mo’fo, I don’t see the problem with the men here either.
CapSea - January 20, 2010
Not to mention that, personally,
their personalities are a lot more attractive than those of the average LA/NY woman. We just need more puck bunnies in town.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
More puck bunnies that don't currently go to high school
pdb - January 20, 2010
Some of them will eventually graduate!
Matthew - January 20, 2010
When I was in HS in suburban OR I loved all the Californians moving up because they would bring their daughters.
Faux - January 20, 2010
The average NY woman's personality is pretty bad.
JY - January 20, 2010
Physical attraction is entirely subjective and so saying "women/men in City X are more attractive than women/men in City Y"
can never ever be seen as anything but personal opinion. For the record, the city with the most people I’ve found physically attractive per capita is almost certainly Portland.
Aaron Campeau - January 20, 2010
Rec'd
Well put. I could go on and on about this topic but for the record, I find PNW men to be physically attractive.
melenious - January 20, 2010
Well, duh.
We’re outdoorsy hunks.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
Let's not get ahead of ourselves now.
melenious - January 20, 2010
I haven't left my apartment on the weekend in six months and I can balance a beer on my gut
Aaron Campeau - January 20, 2010
rawr
Matthew - January 20, 2010
No that's definitely not the noise it makes
Aaron Campeau - January 21, 2010
Get your ass out for some disc golf with me and we'll work that gut off.
Sec 108 - January 21, 2010
I'm not sure why, but the women of Chicago never disappoint me.
Sec 108 - January 21, 2010
I could see that.
abender20 - January 21, 2010
San Diego
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
I feel like they don't try as hard in other ways like working out so that they can fit in a bikini
That’s ok though. Like mentioned below, I like that they don’t wear that much makeup and I think in general the personalities are better since they often are less superficial.
Edgar for Pres - January 20, 2010
Of course they don't.
Behavioral economics at work. There’s less opportunity to display your body in the PacNW due to the cloudier weather and colder beaches. Ergo, less incentive.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
Works both ways.
melenious - January 20, 2010
What in the world is with your anti-NW crusade?
This has become bizarre.
abender20 - January 20, 2010
What if I'm good looking from the NW and moved to LA not to act?
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
So, does that mean we see you for Opening Day?
msb - January 19, 2010
You'd better!
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Swing by 108 and I'll buy ya a beer.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
Great news on Felix.
And welcome to Oregon Jeff.
Stripesjr - January 19, 2010
Portland?!!
YES YES YES!
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 19, 2010
Absolutely wonderful. I think I may actually have pride in this old carcass somewhere.
royalcurve - January 19, 2010
Speaking as someone who has lived in the PNW their whole life
I say welcome! and hope you will find the region as adequate as I do!
Poochie - January 19, 2010
Jeff informs me that he anticipates being whelmed by the area.
Matthew - January 19, 2010
So since we're big fans of ambigously inappropriate.
I think we should change our site tagline to:
“Glory to the brave nation which shook off the yoke”
CapSea - January 19, 2010
(So this makes sense I'd like to add that it's the opening line of the Venezuelan anthem)
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Tweet update:
@KenDavidoff: Felix ‘s deal with the M’s features escalator clauses based on Cy Young voting. Multiple CYAs=big raises in later years.
msb - January 19, 2010
Welcome to Portland
maybe we can grab a beer at Belmont Station sometime.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
First Portland LL meetup should be at the Green Dragon!
pdb - January 19, 2010
You know, I've never been.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Me neither
I’m in
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
If you like Belmont Station
you’ll love the Green Dragon. About 40 taps, all rotating regularly and at least half local, and decent food as well. Belmont Station’s a great place to buy bottles but the GD is a really fun place to go drink.
pdb - January 19, 2010
See
I get out, but I usually drink at home. Of course, that might have something to do with my aversion to sunlight and company.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
I drink at home a lot too
but there’s too many good bars in Portland not to go drink at them every now and again.
pdb - January 19, 2010
I'll have to brush up on my appropriate conduct when in public
It’s been a while.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Pants.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Check.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Good. Good.
I’m learning.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Rec'd for obscure Simpsons quote.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 19, 2010
Well, it was my major.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
BA in Simpsons Pop Culture?
BrianL - January 19, 2010
Actually, I'm John Swartzwelder.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
As long as you're not Ian Maxtone-Graham, you're okay in my book.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 19, 2010
I would be richer and stupider
but richer.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
but rocks.
PositivePaul - January 19, 2010
Totally agree.
Let’s make this happen.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 19, 2010
And here I thought Spartacus wasn't hiring.
Portland is a charming city run by a drum circle. If you like culture, Portland is awesome, but if you like paved roads or an understandable tax code, you’re fucked.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Crazy enough
Although I’m trying to avoid moving there – I may be working for a company in Portland.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
How about that
Portland is hopping. We’re gonna rule this town!
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Why would you want to avoid it?
We have people here whose job it is to pump your gas!
pdb - January 19, 2010
No reason other then I'm 5 minutes from both sets of parents
With some crazy Grand parenting fantasies.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
That's a valid reason!
pdb - January 19, 2010
Wouldn't you prefer to pump your own gas?
I do. It drive me nuts waiting 5 min for some dipshit to make his way to my car.
coasty141 - January 19, 2010
I was being somewhat ironic
I actually hate that I can’t pump gas myself here.
pdb - January 19, 2010
It's a great opportunity for some awkward banter with gasdude.
“So….pumping gas huh?”
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
But it leaves open the question "so... how's the pumping game going?"
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
yeah it makes for top notch conversation that you really can't get anywhere else
coasty141 - January 19, 2010
I'm never sure if I should tip them if they actually wash my windshield like they sometimes do
pdb - January 19, 2010
you sure as hell don't have to tip them if your car doesn't require its windshield
to be cleaned but the retard feels the need to do it anyway. That should get a kick to the junk not a tip.
coasty141 - January 19, 2010
Did a gas guy touch you when you were young?
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
I can't say no for certain... but I don't think so
coasty141 - January 19, 2010
This made me laugh/cry.
Not sure why. Bravo, good sir.
appleshampoo - January 19, 2010
see I take the opposite stance
nothing wrong with the guy cleaning the windshield, it’s a nice touch and it’s not like the homeless guys in Times Square that used to do it with squeegees and snot rags. It’s not making it worse.
pdb - January 19, 2010
Man, in Baltimore our car was mugged like three times on the same street
I’ve never seen such a run of window washers.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Is not washing your car more than a couple times a year a NW thing or were my family and I just lazy
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
It's a NW thing I think
My sister in Arizona washes her car twice a year.
pdb - January 19, 2010
Twice a month I mean
pdb - January 19, 2010
I'm lucky if I do it once a year.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Ok so we can all agree
Plus side of all the rain is not washing your car.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
Why muster the energy to do so when you can have mothernature take care of it.
melenious - January 19, 2010
I have trouble being upset when a service person tries to do something nice for me, even if completely unnecessary
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
yep
pdb - January 19, 2010
I don't find any value in the service
they are supposedly providing.
coasty141 - January 19, 2010
That doesn't mean you need to crap all over the person providing said service though
pdb - January 19, 2010
My brother was gas dude for a while
before he retreated into the New Hampshire foothills perhaps never to be seen again.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
So are you supposed to tip them?
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
I have been told that for gas service alone, no
it’s the windshield-cleaning bit I’m unsure about.
pdb - January 19, 2010
I always feel awkward in the situations where someone performs a service for me that I neither want nor require.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Like taking my fucking luggage in a hotel.
It has wheels and I’m not 80 – It weighs fucking 20lbs just let me carry it.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Rawr?
Graham MacAree - January 19, 2010
I'll always tip you, Graham.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
But just the tip.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
What are you?
15?
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
I never have
but I don’t carry cash. I’m not Mr. Pink, but I don’t go out of my way to tip people.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Or buy Street Roots.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Agreed.
I’ve always wondered what they print in those things. But I can use that dollar for parking on Sundays now.
wilsonpdx - January 19, 2010
He said never to be seen again.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
My brother and I rarely talked
I don’t remember him ever bringing it up.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Our conversations were always short, usually about whatever video game he was playing and peppered with one way accusations of faggotry.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
And how did that make you feel?
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
Like most interactions with my brother
afraid for my life.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
He bigger then you?
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Huge skinhead
and four years older than me.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
I seem to remember this.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Since I have Idaho plates I always start doing it myself and when the yell at me I plead stupid
Corco - January 19, 2010
I'm pretty sure it's a joke
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
it's like we share a brain
pdb - January 19, 2010
well played. And i hope you don't share a brain
coasty141 - January 19, 2010
You took way more than your half this morning, asshole
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
I left you the Twilight third so there's that I guess
pdb - January 19, 2010
Does the transitive property apply to brain sharing?
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Thanks for proving my point.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
This is getting bleek.
It’s already established that Teej and I share a brain, and it’s fairly clear that SB and I do as well. By transitive property of brain sharing, we’re all working with a quarter.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
That's an upgrade for me so as long as we don't find anybody else I'm set
pdb - January 19, 2010
We have like the most racially diverse brain ever
1/4 Asian, 1/4 black, 1/4 Jewish, 1/4 white.
Wait… are we Tiger Woods?
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
I have never had extramarital sex
but there’s still a 75% chance we might be.
pdb - January 19, 2010
How do you know what the other 3/4 of your brain is doing?
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
I don't, that was my point
I can only speak for my 25%.
pdb - January 19, 2010
Apparently I didn't get the math portion of the brain today
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
At least you weren't born with a rod in your forehead.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
Scruffy: Go run naked through a supermarket.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Would it surprise you if I said I have?
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
I don't think that would surprise any of us, Scruffy.
BrianL - January 19, 2010
Clearly not.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
Well there you go.
Scruffy Lefty - January 19, 2010
No
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
Takes me back to my childhood.
msb - January 19, 2010
The clever thing
Is that they made the state large enough that it’s difficult to drive through without stopping for gas. Which means if you’re trying to travel between the actually legitimate and useful states of Washington and California, you have to stop somewhere in Oregon and employ someone.
One thing I’ve noticed about the gas dudes, though: if your car is nice enough and you get out as soon as you pull up, they pull the nozzle out of the pump and then hand it to you to put in the tank so there’s no risk of them messing up the car. Either they’ve learned from experience or it’s an explicit policy, but they obey the letter of the law without chancing an irate customer.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
You're on a roll. Oregon became a state just slightly before gas stations. I'm sure they knew what they were doing when they defined the boundaries, though.
abender20 - January 20, 2010
Nostradamus was from Portland, you know
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
You're thinking of Michael Doleac again.
abender20 - January 20, 2010
Oregon is a lovely state.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
Fuckin better be
Jeff Sullivan - January 20, 2010
They like their beer. You'll be just fine.
.Taylor - January 20, 2010
He's coming from San Diego
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
So what is the worst thing about San Diego
I have a couple of friends who live down there and love it. Is there anything actually bad about it.
Edgar for Pres - January 20, 2010
Yes
Jeff Sullivan - January 20, 2010
You know how people talk about how there's nothing to do in downtown Seattle and the whole thing shuts down at 5:00 PM?
Think that times a billion and replace all of the cool neighborhoods with Bellevue.
Aaron Campeau - January 20, 2010
Well that doesn't seem fair
Jeff Sullivan - January 20, 2010
I'm confused
by this “great beer but everything rolls up at 5 pm” theme. It does not make sense to me.
JY - January 20, 2010
Well, downtown does.
The neighborhoods don’t.
Aaron Campeau - January 20, 2010
It rains too much.
Teej - January 20, 2010
The Mariners sign closer David Aardsma for $2.75 Mil
The Red Sox sign closer Jonathan Papelbon for $9.35 Mil. Talk about the value that the Mariners are getting for a pitcher to finish games. I can almost guarantee you Aardsma will be long gone in a trade before the Mariners ever pay him $9.35 Mil per year.
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
There's an Aardsma thread below this one
Poochie - January 19, 2010
Yeah we're talking Portland and regional driving difference up in here!
waldo rojas - January 19, 2010
LL has been so great at content lately, it is hard to keep up
The difference is that every one in Portland is stoned. They are looking to change the Washington law and legalize pot, so their won’t be a big difference soon.
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
Except you can go to a ballgame stoned in Seattle,
whereas in Portland you can… eat a donut with bacon on it.
DrewManchu - January 19, 2010
You can also go to a ballgame stoned in Portland
and AAA ball is cheaper!
pdb - January 19, 2010
I would be willing to be you could go to a ball game stoned, then eat a donut with bacon on it.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
That would be the ultimate.
…not that there isn’t plenty of good stoner food at Safeco already.
DrewManchu - January 19, 2010
All food is good stoner food
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
You're harshing his mellow.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
But some food is better stoner food than other food
So a relative scale must be made, and that is how some food could be classified as “good stoner food” and some could be classified as “bad stoner food”
Dewey N - January 19, 2010
I've never been a big fan of salad when stoned
You need meat or something equally filling goddammit
Pretzels and chicken nuggets are the best
Corco - January 19, 2010
Taco's are good
Not a pretzel fan.
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
Especially J-Box tacos
Corco - January 19, 2010
That is what I was thinking when I wrote it
I keep on thinking of the stoner ordering 99 tacos
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
One of the few things I miss about living in Seattle
Is that I am now 110 miles from J-Box. I used to live 10 blocks from J-Box. When I was stoned/drunk, a 3 block trip was so much easier to make than a 110 mile trip (which, frankly, is too far to even try to make)
Corco - January 19, 2010
Even for a case of serious munchies, that is too far of a trip
For me, the good news is that I live within 5-10 minutes of a half a dozen fast food restaurants. The bad news is that I live within 5-10 minutes of a half a dozen fast food restaurants.
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
I live right in the fast food district of Laramie
My apartment shares a driveway with Wendy’s, which is right next door to Burger King, which is right across the street from McDonalds.
I can see a Taco John’s, a Taco Bell, an Arby’s, a Sonic, and a Carl’s Jr from my apartment complex plus two takeout Chinese places
It’s glorious for being intoxicated
Corco - January 19, 2010
and I'm right across the street from TWO liquor stores (next to McDonalds)
It’s magical
Corco - January 19, 2010
When you were looking for an apartment, you planned well
As you know, we have no Sonic’s around here, restaurant or basketball wise (fuck you Bennett). The liquor store is located next to my gym, which is convenient because it burns the calories from drinking.
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
Puyallup isn't that far.
Mariner John - January 19, 2010
I think there's one in South Tacoma now too
Corco - January 19, 2010
I think there's one in South Tacoma now too
Corco - January 19, 2010
never mind
Corco - January 19, 2010
3 = 10
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
I may or may not be stoned right now
Corco - January 19, 2010
Have you walked over to eat at one of the fast food restaurants in the last 30 minutes?
If the answer is yes, then you are probably stoned.
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
I've been strongly contemplating it for an hour while sitting on my couch eating Ritz Crackers with Cheddar 'n Bacon flavored Easy Cheese
Corco - January 19, 2010
See how this goes round and round and everything is related
This started by someone mentioning eating donuts with “bacon” on top and now you are eating Ritz Crackers with “bacon” flavored cheese on top.
It’s the Circle of Life.
Coug1990 - January 19, 2010
Dude
Corco - January 19, 2010
Ah, memories.
melenious - January 19, 2010
THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING!
Scruffy Lefty - January 20, 2010
Peanut butter.
John Morgan - January 19, 2010
Not true. If the food is really dry it just makes things worse.
Sec 108 - January 20, 2010
But from my experience, the ballpark is full of cheats and low-level hooligans.
katal - January 19, 2010
Not to mention lil bitches.
Robert - January 19, 2010
And on Thursday night, frat boys and skanky women!
pdb - January 19, 2010
Thirsty Thursday is the worst thing to happen to PGE Park. EVER.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 20, 2010
No that would be Timbers Army.
Sec 108 - January 20, 2010
Thirsty Thursday is far, far worse
At least the Timbers Army has a sense of humor about itself most of the time.
pdb - January 20, 2010
Just trying to stir the pot.
Sec 108 - January 20, 2010
It will be very odd when the Timbers get to MLS
because I will actively root against a Seattle sports team for the first time in my life.
pdb - January 20, 2010
And I will hate you at least 2 days out of the year.
Sec 108 - January 20, 2010
Reciprocated!
pdb - January 20, 2010
YES!
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
You can go to a ballgame stoned in Seattle too.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
So I will be having near heart attacks again this year.
Fin - January 19, 2010
Aw shucks and I thought you were going to move back to Hartford
Dewey N - January 19, 2010
Arbitration Figures
link
Felix asked for $11.5M, the team offered $7.2M
Casey Kotchman asked for $3.9M, was offered $3.135M
Brandon League asked for $1.325M, was offered $0.9M
Janic - January 19, 2010
Good news does come in threes
Congrats on the new job, Jeff.
melenious - January 19, 2010
Looks as though Felix got a tattoo. Awesome.
BrettJMiller - January 19, 2010
I hope that's not Jennifer Pankratz
Corco - January 19, 2010
Stop that now.
msb - January 19, 2010
Player A ruined tattoos for me forever
Corco - January 19, 2010
Jack is due up on KJR ca. 6:05pm
at the (formerly PI) Sports Star Banquet
msb - January 19, 2010
I was misled.
Jack is up later.
msb - January 19, 2010
So this turned into a traffic thread
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Well...
Corco….
msb - January 19, 2010
Incredibly, it wasn't Corco's fault at all
seattlebruin - January 19, 2010
My fault
Back to baseball….
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
Actually I was reading something about MLB insurance policies on players (?)
Here is a good place to start.
It would be interesting if these insurances options existed. It would make it less risky to sign SP to expensive long term deals.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
This is a bad thing?
Corco - January 19, 2010
Off-topic...more like off-road!!!
Thank you! Thank you! I’ve got 2 more shows at 8:30 and 10 pm. Remember to tip you waitresses.
SethGrandpa - January 19, 2010
Robert - January 19, 2010
Use the subject line
Graham MacAree - January 19, 2010
FELIX HERNANDEZ IS A MARINER FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS
Robert - January 19, 2010
Wait, what? When did that happen?
I got caught up in all this traffic talk and haven’t been checking ESPN lately.
seattle_since_81 - January 19, 2010
SPEAKING OF TRAFFIC I WANT TO BACK A DUMP TRUCK FULL OF SEX UP TO FELIX'S HOUSE
OlSalty - January 19, 2010
John Heyman with breakdown of Felix's pay
$3.5 mil signing bonus
2010: $6.5 mil
2011: $10.0 mil
2012: $18.5 mil
2013: $19.5 mil
2014: $20.0 mil
via Twitter
Scrupio - January 19, 2010
Saves us about 5mil+ in 2011
OlSalty - January 19, 2010
Fir payroll purposes that's $10mm this year, correct?
Aaron Campeau - January 19, 2010
Frontloading the bonus seems to be pretty poplar.
abender20 - January 19, 2010
I think thats the attraction of getting a signing bonus
Otherwise it wouldn’t be any different than making a higher salary.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
It will get paid out immediately but, for payroll purposes, count against each season, I believe
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
So we may very well have more payroll room now than we were assuming we would had Felix gone to arbitration?
Aaron Campeau - January 19, 2010
Boy is there semen on my face
Aaron Campeau - January 19, 2010
Sure is
Dewey N - January 19, 2010
You are spot on Lieutenant Laggy
Jeff Sullivan - January 19, 2010
Ok
I hate trying to understand their retarded system.
Edgar for Pres - January 19, 2010
I believe the bonus was prorated ovr several years
I think people were expecting Felix to collect 10 this year and if the bonus is spread out it ought to leave about 8M to play with.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 19, 2010
Hell ya!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=berLBj5EoiA
zeeehjee - January 19, 2010
Awesome.
This needs to go viral.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 20, 2010
There is nothing more interesting than traffic conversations.
CapSea - January 19, 2010
Enjoy Portland, Jeffrey. Or Jeffingham. Or Jefferson.
Although I can never look at Oregonians the same way after reading Sometimes a Great Notion.
.Taylor - January 19, 2010
Was this supposed to be humor? Self-loathing creature that I am, seriously, wtf.
.Taylor - January 19, 2010
Since I'm uneducated, I had to look up that book. Wikipedia's description is, well, odd.
Emphasis mine.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 20, 2010
I was more referring to the fact that Ken Kesey wrote glowingly about them while on acid.
.Taylor - January 20, 2010
Can workers be unionized, though?
I’m not positive…
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 20, 2010
It's possible they meant to type "onionized," which would make sense as they had little access to onions.
But un-ionized workers seem like they would look very odd. I think he means union-ized, as in they formed a union.
.Taylor - January 20, 2010
I figured that was the case.
My “I’m not positive” was a poor attempt at an ionization joke.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - January 20, 2010
Actual chemistry jokes were so 2008.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
A cation is a positively charged kitten.
.Taylor - January 20, 2010
Even if we don't resign Felix again. he isn't even half done with his time with the Mariners
Robert - January 19, 2010
That is a wonderful notion.
abender20 - January 20, 2010
Another reason why I hate Portland is because it ruined the Felix is resigning thread
Robert - January 20, 2010
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