I wrote about this recently on FanGraphs (link), but to take the relevant excerpt out here, take a gander back to the winter of 2006 and these free agent signings:
Danys Baez – 3 years, $19 million. Produced -0.5 WAR.
Miguel Batista – 3 years, $25 million. Produced 1.3 WAR.
Adam Eaton – 3 years, $24.5 million. Produced 0 WAR.
Keith Foulke – 1 year, $5 million. Didn’t throw a pitch.
Orlando Hernandez – 2 years, $12 million. Produced 0.9 WAR.
Kei Igawa – 5 years, $20 million plus $26 million posting fee. Produced -0.2 WAR so far.
Daisuke Matsuzaka – 6 years, $52 million plus $51 million posting fee. Produced 7.7 WAR so far.
Guillermo Mota – 2 years, $5 million. Produced 0.1 WAR.
Mark Mulder – 2 years, $13 million. Produced -0.4 WAR.
Vicente Padilla – 3 years, $34 million. Produced 4.5 WAR.
Jason Schmidt – 3 years, $47 million. Produced 0 WAR.
Scott Schoeneweis – 3 years, $10.8 million. Produced -1.5 WAR.
Justin Speier – 4 years, $18 million. Produced -0.2 WAR, released in 2009.
Jeff Suppan – 4 years, $42 million. Produced 1.6 WAR so far.
Jamie Walker – 3 years, $12 million. Produced -0.6 WAR.
Jeff Weaver – 1 year, $8.5 million. Produced 1 WAR.
Woody Williams – 2 years, $12.5 million. Produced -0.1 WAR.
Barry Zito – 7 years , $126 million, full no trade clause. Produced 5.3 WAR so far.
All values per FanGraphs.com.
And that's just the pitchers! There were some humdingers on the batting side as well (Alfonso Soriano! Vernon Wells' extension!), but that's not the thrust of this post. No, I listed the free agent pitchers to help provide some context on the signing that I did want to review. On December 11th, just days after the disastrous Horacio Ramirez trade, word leaked out that the Mariners were on the verge of this deal:
Miguel Batista - 3 years, $25 million.
This was somewhat of a weird singing in retrospect. Dave Cameron had advocated for signing Miguel Batista back in 2003 when Batista ended up signing a 3 year, $13 million contract with Toronto, which he would go on to vastly outperform, racking up roughly $20 million in production according to FanGraphs.*
I'm going to stick with FanGraph's valuations for the duration of this post because there are some things I want to change with StatCorner's WAR that will render including here moot in a short time.
Three years later however, and Miguel Batista was 36 and now he was signing for $25 million. As both Dave and Jeff would write, at the time of the signing, especially when surrounded by the contracts being given out, this particular deal didn't see overtly horrendous. It did look bad when packaged up with the likes of Jarrod Washburn and Richie Sexson though.
The hopes for Batista was that he would do exactly what he did in 2007, make 30 starts and toss ~190 innings of mid-4 FIP ball. Batista posted a 4.52 FIP in 2007 against an AL league average of 4.52. Being an average starter in the AL for that many innings is quite valuable and if Batista had just declined gracefully from that vantage point, his contract actually would have been borne out to be near a wash.*
At least for the Mariners. Based on the number of batters faced, average number of times a runner was on base, and average pitches per plate appearance, I spent approximately 91 hours of my life over the last three years staring at Miguel Batista hold the ball between pitches just because there was a runner on. Miguel Batista owes me about $3,000 in damages.
Instead, he collapsed completely. Which is kind of why you want to avoid giving three year commitments to 36-year-old pitchers that don't really have good command or stuff to begin with. No matter how you slice it, Batista was below replacement in 2008 and essentially meaningless in 2009 while relegated to mop up duty in the bullpen. In the end the Mariners ended up paying about a 500% premium on wins from Miguel Batista than they could otherwise have done from the free agent market in theory.
On the bright side, THE END!
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Another Awesome Post...
I am feeling spoiled now. (sheepish grin)
Thanks to the guys for all these great articles!
A Steamy Day in Cleveland - January 20, 2010
Jesus Christ that winter was a dismal one
Remember how Bavasi was after Schmidt? And Detectovision had a series of articles about Schmidt being the best pitcher out there? It was my first and only time reading that site; haven’t been back since.
Bearskin Rugburn - January 20, 2010
Bavasi made up for not signing Schmidt
The next offseason.
Calling that signing a “fire-able offense” might be too generous.
FloridaownsFSU - January 20, 2010
Well, at least the Batista signing still ended up better than the other ones that winter
Bavasi beat the market!
greymstreet - January 20, 2010
Igawa - ouch.
waldo rojas - January 20, 2010
I lived in Japan in 2006...
And I am a diehard Hanshin Tigers fan (the Mariners are my second favorite baseball team behind them), which is the team Igawa was an ace for in Japan. He was my favorite pitcher on that team, but I remember thinking throughout the season that there were only 2 pitchers in Japan I thought may make an impact in the big leagues.
Igawa was not one of them. Then again, Matsuzaka was not one of them either, I thought Matsuzaka might be average. And the 2 I thought could make an impact are still pitching in Japan.
Although I feel bad for Igawa, I couldn’t be happier that he got a giant payday for doing nothing, and that money coming from the team I hate the second most. I actually hate the Tokyo Giants (who are the Japanese Yankees) of Japan worse than the Yankees.
skwid206 - January 20, 2010
Who are the 2 Japanese pitchers you think are MLB-worthy?
I’m guessing Yu Darvish is one.
svart aske - January 20, 2010
I fucking love Yu Darvish.
He is my third or fourth favorite pitcher in all of baseball.
Kirk - January 20, 2010
I love you too Kirk
Graham MacAree - January 20, 2010
I'm slightly confused but I love you too Graham?
Kirk - January 20, 2010
Darvish is considering coming to the US after next season.
lailaihei - January 20, 2010
Mr. Darvish pitched well the year I was there...
But I considered him too young for MLB at that point. It’s common for a baseball player in Japan to play well right out of high school like he did. Very less common here for obvious reasons.
At the time I had Koji Uehara, the ace from the Tokyo Giants. To me he’s Matsuzaka but smarter and with a little better command.
I also thought the closer for the Hanshin Tigers, Kyuuji Fujikawa could make some noise. He could hit 160 KPH (almost 100 MPH) and had a nasty splitter. I thought his fastball was a little too straight. If a 3-5 hitter in Japan guessed right and it was in thier zone they would crush it, but that only happened every 2 months or so.
skwid206 - January 20, 2010
To clarify...
Those 2 I thought would make an impact. Like, be better than average. I didn’t know about WAR back then, but now that I do, I guess I was thinking those two would be somewhere in the + WAR neighborhood.
There were and are quite a few who could certainly be replacement level, or basically not suck. Like what I thought of Matsuzaka. My Tigers sucked last year, so I didn’t follow Nippon Professional Baseball as much last year, but I think Mr. Darvish will most likely be shipping himself over here soon.
skwid206 - January 20, 2010
Uehara is on the Orioles isn't he?
Mariner John - January 20, 2010
That's the one.
I just checked his stats. I don’t know his WAR but judging by his ‘typewriter-age’ stats, he’s average at best.
Good thing I’m not a GM, I would have taken him over Matsuzaka if they both were available at the same time.
_To my credit though, I would not have taken Igawa under any circumstances, despite him being one of my favorite players.
skwid206 - January 20, 2010
Uehara was really good last year.
Way better than average.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
cont.
Just in not many innings pitched.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
That makes me feel better.
Although more so because he’s always been a class act, even though he played for my team’s rival.
skwid206 - January 21, 2010
I thought Batista had good stuff and he was just inconsistent with it
Dewey N - January 20, 2010
He had decent velocity, but in my opinion, that's about it.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
And he will occasionally throw a fastball with insane movement
Jeff Sullivan - January 20, 2010
Would.
Would occasionally!
Matthew - January 20, 2010
This is what I'm remembering
Dewey N - January 20, 2010
I'm surprised he didn't fare better as a reliever in Toronto
Poochie - January 20, 2010
It always frustrated me that he walked so many people.
That was the biggest thing holding him back from being ok. I kind of agree that when I watched him I thought he had the potential to be ok but just decided to suck instead.
Edgar for Pres - January 20, 2010
what about his poetry! you’t can put a price on that. Dont forget the kenny G bro factor! that’s priceless!
tacomamendo - January 20, 2010
Actually you can
25.95, (seriously?)
Also, welcome to LL. Please use the subject line in the future.
Matthew - January 20, 2010
$0.01 for the (Used) Spanish version!
TrashiDawa - January 20, 2010
I never stop laughing at that subtitle.
Teej - January 20, 2010
It's the subtitle that lead me to believe strongly that he'll be a Royal by month's end.
abender20 - January 20, 2010
For the paperback version too, crazy
OlSalty - January 20, 2010
Maybe it's a typo?
It could be 25.95 pesos. Which would bring it closer to the $0.01 for the spanish version.
ToddK - January 20, 2010
God, Eileen is going to come back now, isn't she?
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
On the contrary
you can put a price on Miguel’s intellectual property.
TrashiDawa - January 20, 2010
Kenny G is a piece of shit and I hope he suffers a career-ending walrus accident.
.Taylor - January 20, 2010
Walrus?
qrsouther - January 20, 2010
HOLY HUEVOS! I think he was done after Felix showed him a proper grip
didycel - January 20, 2010
Looks more like a sea elephant than a walrus
nathaniel dawson - January 20, 2010
Whoops...elephant seal, that is.
nathaniel dawson - January 21, 2010
More on that winter of our discontent...
Batista was actually Plan B for Bavasi. Bavasi’s first choice was Jason Schmidt; he signed Batista after Schmidt turned down a comparable offer from the Mariners because he wanted to stay in the National League. When Schmidt signed with the Dodgers it was a surprise, because Schmidt had indicated that he wantted to sign with Seattle to stay closer to where he grew up. But the Mariners were quite close to having Schmidt for 3 years and $47 million instead of Batista at 3 years and $25 million.
Then after signing Batista, Bavasi bidding seriously for Zito as well, only bowing out after deciding to not go to seven guaranteed years. But IIRC the Mariners did offer Zito 6 years and somewhere around $110 million.
+++++++
So the Mariners almost wound up with Schmidt instead of Batista (at almost twice the money and no WAR at all) or, instead the Mariners might have had both the Batista contract and a Zito contract, with three years yet to run.on Zito.
Of course, had the Mariners had Zito under contract I suppose that Bavasi wouldn’t have had money to throw at Silva the next year.
Steve Nelson - January 20, 2010
I wish we had had Schmidt when Schmidt was good
Poochie - January 20, 2010
I wish we had Zito when Zito was good too
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
I'm glad we have Felix while Felix is great!
Andrew E - January 20, 2010
Yeah. Suck it Boston!
ToddK - January 20, 2010
I don't Schmidt was better
Poochie - January 20, 2010
what
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
I don't, Schmidt was better
Poochie - January 20, 2010
Got it
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
But Zito was super cheap the entire time he was in Oakland
seattlebruin - January 20, 2010
Yeah but on the other hand fuck him
Poochie - January 20, 2010
I remember when we were in the running to sign Schmidt before the 2002 season.
I wish we had signed him then.
katal - January 20, 2010
Blasphemy!
Andrew E - January 20, 2010
This just isn't the same as a real, honest to gosh bad move. Sigh.
.Taylor - January 20, 2010
Yes, this was not one of the moves
That built Bavasi’s legend.
Kind of a half-effort on his part.
wandergeist - January 20, 2010
So he over-achieved at being an under-achiever?
Or is ti the other way around?
ToddK - January 20, 2010
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