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Lookout Landing

Debut LL Podcast

Matthew's Update: Per request, I've created an iTunes feed here.

Here you go, baby birds. We've been talking about doing something like this for ages, now, but recently John Morgan gave us a nice kick in the ass and really got the ball rolling. And so it was that, yesterday afternoon, Matthew, John and I spent half an hour discussing Felix and the state of the team as a whole. The finished product is below. Try and pinpoint the moment when Ottawa scored a goal.

Lookout Landing Podcast with Jeff and Matthew

This being our first podcast and all, it's obviously raw and a little disorganized. When you've got three people on the line, it's hard to know who's supposed to talk when. But doing one gave us some ideas on what we need to improve, and we're serious about making these a regular feature. So we'll see where we go from here. Ideas are always welcome, although as long-time readers can attest, any idea you give the mods is an idea we won't bring to fruition, since we're too arrogant to build off someone else's work.

This should be a fun change of pace. Alternatively I guess it could suck a lot.

Poll
Would you have interest in listening to regular LL podcasts?
Yes
588 votes
No
149 votes

737 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  232 comments

Comments

Any thought to a live show?

Call-ins from LLers!

Without John's help we don't even know how to involve a third person (Graham, for example)

Sooooo we’ll see how much we learn.

Live call in is possible

You would probably want someone controlling that other than those speaking, and it’s sure to be a clusterfuck the first time, but it’s possible.

Maybe live IM instead
Live write-in questions would be cool.
I'm not personally wild with the idea of live anything.
Yeah me neither
Perhaps a heads-up so we could e-mail questions in advance?
Way better

Similar to the event format, really.

that could work.

if we turn this into a routine, I’m sure it’ll be simple to work in that

But what would be the point of that?

If we want to ask you a question, we can do it anywhere on the site and get a pretty immediate response already.

This allows us to be more thorough
I can see that

But you already are pretty thorough on the site. That said, I don’t think having emailed questions would in any way detract from the podcast, I’m just sort of playing devil’s advocate here.

This might open up the forum for people who aren't comfortable commenting regularly.
We'll have to talk in private about what we can do to keep these interesting

Have to collect as many ideas as possible.

be more funny.
I can't wait for the Silva Fat Joke edition of these
It gets funny when you transfer it to a different medium
You should do one when you read people's flags.
Monthly rec leaderboard updates!
The top 5 never changes anyway
I bet spots 4 and 5 would at the point in which people become more aware.
Give me this season!
and warning messages
That went over great the last time
It was one of the highlights of my European vacation.
Live on Google Wave so everyone can watch as you type.
I'd be more comfortable speaking live than typing live.
This feature is unintentionally hilarious.
Yes Yes we get it that you hate people

You don’t need to constantly talk about it.

Nobody is going to get what I was actually trying to get at with this joke so please hide!
You beat me to this joke
Two notes:

1. Any and all mistakes are my fault.
2. My laughter is naturally awkward and canned sounding.

I hope you guys don't lose sight of producing written content

:)

Actually the really neat thing about podcasts is that they only take half an hour or so

Even with a lot of preparation and a lot of editing, it takes less time to put one of these together than it does to write a good post.

Nice, although I hope it didn't seem like I was serious

Obviously I realize you guys have been a machine lately.

Valid concern regardless

Deserved a response.

Oh god the 88-89 MPH Felix Day in Texas.
Heh, I've taken to calling that The Chicken Little Game.
YES YES A MILLION TIMES YES

I have been dying for a good Mariners podcast. Also, if you’re looking for an easy way to do them, I’ve toyed around with BlogTalk Radio and it seemed pretty straightforward and easy to involve people (including call ins!) remotely. Might be something to look into.

Ten minutes in or so but I like this format

John leading the questions with Matthew and Jeff answering is really easy to follow.

And finished.

For a first podcast this came off really well. Great job, Jeff/John/Matthew.

I wonder how many amateur and professional journalists LL can make obsolete
You haven't already?
COMING FOR YOU SALK
The day we get RRS on a LL podcast is the day I go out on top
I wonder if we can do with Bedard and just talk Sens
Baker might actually be worth talking hockey to.
Non-Sens fan

fuck him

Well that alone would be worth listening to.

He’d just get so flustered. It’d be A+

Let me ask the guy I met in Canada
I can ask him when he gets home
With the amount of content LL has had recently, I'm pretty close to being out of work.
I'm sure you can find another Padre who enjoys eating burritos.
Well at this point you're probably the only one left
I'm not sure how you would incorporate them (maybe a podcast via Skype connections)

but have you considered perhaps using USB microphones to improve audio quality? I’ve had pretty good luck with these.

Yes

Plus Matthew and I are way more comfortable with mics than phones.

I hate using the phone in general and especially hate it for a long, in-depth conversation.
Then boy was yesterday less than ideal for all three of us
that is actually been my plan for weeks.
I have two USB mics!

Matthew you should come get them!

I'm listening to this now, it's enjoyable

Two things so far:

1) Pitch f/x is now pretty well calibrated across all stadiums. In 07 it was pretty shitty, but right now it’s pretty good.

2) Do you think he actually has two distinct grips for his 2 seamer and changeup, or do you think that it’s more of a range of grips in between the two?

I think he probably has two distinct grips

Fastball and changeup grips don’t feel anything alike if you’re a pitcher.

Pitch f/x is better certainly

but it still meaningful blips and when you’re talking 1 mph, it’s not worth freaking out over

Is there anyway (if this becomes regular) that you put it on iTunes?

I’d love to have a way for it to automatically sync with my MP3 player.

I don't know how to do that
I can tell you via email if you get serious about it.
Can't you just download it and drop it in the appropriate folder?
I'm looking into it
Its actually quite easy.
As long as you have somewhere that can host the mp3s
I do

can you shoot me an e-mail with the process?

Yes - Let me double check somethings cause its been about a year since I've done it.

I’ll send you something within the hour.

I'd be interested in this too
Cougcenter does a great job with three people on a podcast

One person is the moderator for each podcast and asks a question of one person then the other. Then the moderator adds in his two cents. Then that is repeated until the end of the show.

I am glad you are doing this. Thanks

That's a good format

but it’d also be nice to have some variation in there. Regular and irregular segments.

I am also sure that the more that you do this, the more that you will get used to each other's tendencies.
I mean it wouldn't all have to be direct Q&A
Do we need to evaluate chaining of the participants?

How many podcasts can we reasonably expect Jeff to do? Graham? Matthew? Is there enough depth in the pod behind the starting podders? If a replacement podder gets appearances, whose appearances might the replacement podder be taking and what would be the effects on podcast performance?

Yay! LL podcast!

 I will listen to it on walk/jog around the lake.

LL podcasts need a Tony Reali and boy do I have one in mind!
we already asked Fogel
Yes that's the joke
Who's joking?
If I get to the end of this podcast and there is no Fogel appearance I am never listening to another LL podcast again.
I am done with these.
You did not
Pretty sure we did.
Let's ask Fogel
I would love to be your Tony Reali
My people will call your people.
I'm gonna need the number of Fogel's people
Let me ask Fogel
I hate this place
It's the worrrrrrrssst
My people handle all questions from now on
Hold on, let me have my people ask your people to ask you for your people's number
We're never going to get anywhere!
You guys aren't worst :) Don't worry about it.
This medium is frustrating from my point of view because whenever I try to troll you guys I just end up talking out loud to myself and look like a crazy person.
We can troll them together Robert.
Break into the podcast

Surprise caller

Just finished listening to the whole thing,

I think it went very well for your first podcast.

Not bad at all, gentlemen.

While podcasts don’t really to a lot for me, I’d probably listen to most of these if they became a regular feature.

Honestly they don't do a whole lot for me either

I don’t listen to any. But if there’s enough interest, what’s the harm? Brings in a new audience.

They're really nice for when I'm at work
These are my feelings as well.
I can imagine these things being excellent once the kinks get worked out

not bad

Aw, what fun are Jeff and Matthew without a few kinks?
I think Brendan Ryan is better defensively than Wilson

Probably Rollins too.

Just a quick question

Are you guys going to keep it at half an hour or possibly longer?

No idea

I think 25-35 minutes is probably a good target but we’ll see how they develop.

Sweet.

It’s a cool concept, I listen to podcasts all day at work so I’m all for it. Good job, dudes.

Just don't go all Bill Simmons on us and lazily replace writing content with podcasts.
Podcasts and mailbags. yay
At least they both cut down on how much Bill Simmons one has to read.
Good point.

He can be a tad long winded.

The only e-mails LL gets are way way NSFW
That's ok. My comment was more snarky than it appears.

;)

I'm not sure if that would be better or worse
Just finished listening and I thought it was cool.

The one really nice thing is that I can just listen to it while I do other stuff in my room. I might have to listen to your soothing voices while I fall asleep tonight.

These podcasts would be perfect for popping onto an ipod or other device, and listening to whenever not near a computer.

Very well done indeed.

I liked it.

As has been the case with several others, I’m not big on podcasts. However, the structure was good (nice work, John) and both of you (Matthew and Jeff) were articulate and concise. If you are willing to put in the time to sort of re-hash and summarize your thoughts from the previous time period, cool. People will listen.

Enjoyable!

I like that you talked about things that you haven’t discussed as much on the blog. My biggest fear was that it would be sort of a rehashing for everyone who reads all the articles but you did a good job of incorporating fresh ideas.

***SPOILER***

My favorite part of the entire podcast was the reference to Bradley knifing someone

I don't condone talk like that
Aw why so serious?
It seemed racist to me
People of all races can shank.
Shank is a racial joke, stab is a crazy joke
Or knife

whatever as long as it’s not shank

I will take it as racism and will proceed to get offended
Oh I forgot you are a literate non-athlete white guy who attends college

carry on

Thank you for being understanding
lair eater, ref. ferret aerial!
This is my new opinion on the podcast
This is my new favorite post.
I meant the liar eater...
Podcasts are great to listen to on your way to work or when exercising; places where you wouldn't normally read.
I read and comment on LL while driving to work.
Did you mention that you recently totalled a car?
My car was totaled by some 18 year bitch while it was legally parked on the side of the road and I was miles away entertaining Jeff, Matthew and the lovely as always Ms. Jeff.
Eating Dinner with Jeff, Matthew and Ms. Jeff*
Having a match fight with Jeff but getting yelled at by Ms. Jeff because the jacket he was wearing was new*
Finding a bus home*
Walking home alone, drunk, cold, really having to pee and with a wet sock because I am too poor to afford new shoes even though my current right one has a massive hole in it.*
Next step: corporate sponsorship
Dear Lost Abbey,

Have I got an offer for you!

I'm going to go ahead and take care of the negotiations.

No reason I can’t needlessly insert myself in the middle of this for some free beer.

I'm OK with being the local go-bewteen for the right price

my people will contact yours

Pretty good stuff.
Just finished listening to it

And I gotta say, it was pretty entertaining to listen to. As others have said, an improvement in sound quality would make these even better.

FOR GOD SAKES PEOPLE WE GET IT THAT HE MUMBLES ITS A DEAD MEME NOW

If you prefer that Jeff write just vote in the pole above and leave the personal attacks out of it.

Mumbling wasn't the problem
dont see any personal attack there..

In fact no names are mentioned..

It was a joke
I figured it out when he used pole

instead of poll

No, that's just the tumor.
I voted no just because I prefer to read as opposed to listen to someone talking.

But the content was pretty good, if a little hard to follow (might be my proclivity for writing).

If this continues, I would like to request a written summary for those that don’t like spoken words. If not, no big deal, but I’m probably not the only one.

No written summary will be provided, at least from our end

Transcribing is the worst thing in the world, even when you’re just transcribing a summary.

I'd be willing to use an auto-transcriber,

and then run it through an online translator a couple times back and forth between English and various other languages and then posting the result.

This is why you're the brains of the operation
I take back what I said in deference to your superior idea
Pods in Print does transcripts

http://podsinprint.com

Upon engagement we, without charge, transcribe podcasts and add them to our database. Access to the transcripts is by registered users only and may occur in a couple of ways: podcasters link directly to a transcript so that it appears embedded in their website; or users may search and browse the database from the podsinprint.com interface.
This is how you get a action movie script.
That could prove to be quite amusing.
Have you guys thought about trying to do a roundtable discussion (email or online chat) between the three of you.

I’m not sure if this is better but it might be easier. I think it would still be interesting to see each of you ask the other some hard questions. Maybe this isn’t worth it and podcast/posts would be better. Just a thought.

They did it a few times.

It was called “Three Guys Who Agree on Everything.”

I couldn't remember if they did it or if USSM did it.

I like it.

Awesome idea.

I won’t have to worry about Graham misspelling words.

Yeah, it's really annoying when he comes up with elaborate excuses just to cover his illiteracy, which in itself is a veil for his racism.
Yes but I can't even say 'baseball' in American
Wait, really?
The closest I can come is a retarded Bostonian accent
That's great.

I don’t know why i haven’t noticed that.

He goes to elaborate lengths to avoid saying the word.

It makes for some hilarious sentence construction. Like verbal yoga, really.

Bahahahaha

He called you Matt.

You need a theme song.
I already have one
What is it?
I haven't decided if it'll see the light of day
It's hidden in plain sight.

Sunshine Lollipops And Rainbows

Just do the podcast

It was great!

If the live thing or the fielding questions are hard, just forget about it. Having the podcast once a week or every other week is good enough for me.

I just listened

Thumbs up!

This is pretty neat, but I think I prefer to read you guys than listen to you guys. I truly hope you find this as constructive criticism.

You both say, uh, you know, I mean and yeah too often. You both also use far too many contractions and an over abundance colloquial adjectives. You also need to work on slowing down and enunciating a little better.

I have three guys that work on my team and each one of them have to present information to clients every week. I have spent hours with them, on their overall diction. One thing I always do before I have to speak, whether just at a staff meeting or in front of a large group, is to listen to Frank Sinatra. Not because I like his music, but he just has a very deliberate way of working through a phrase. He slows down and enunciates. When you rush through what you are saying it makes it sound like you have no confidence in the information you are presenting or yourself.

I am only saying all this because I feel like you three demand a certain standard of yourselves and us, and when I hear you speak, I do not hear that standard.

I prefer reading too

Also there’s no way the standards for writing and the standards for speaking should be equivalent, or even that similar.

Not saying they have to be equivalent, but some of the things I pointed out take away from information you're sharing.
How do contractions take away from the information we're sharing?

Contractions make speech sound more natural.

Not when they're over used.

they’re can start to sound like theyer.

I don't get it.

I know I definitely stammer a little too much, and that’s a problem. But I don’t get the contraction thing. We want these to be a little more casual and natural, because nobody wants to listen to a formal 30-minute presentation every week.

If you use them just be sure to enunciate.

When you stammer and use contractions like kind’a and they’re it just sounds kind of stonerish. Take it or leave it, I’m just trying to help.

I'm not sure how kinda and they're sound stonerish at all.

I’m sorry to jump in this conversation but when I hear someone speaking without contractions I think they are trying to be a twat. If this is just a casual discussion then why do they have to talk like they are doing a formal speech?

Basically we want to speak in a way that's engaging and not pompous

It’s going to be different from our written content. We don’t get to pick and choose every word that we say. I think that makes it a fun change of pace.

I thought it was really good for a first podcast.

The only awkwardness came from the phone format-how weird to have to guess when the other person was going to speak. I think it only adds to the written content here and gives a human element as well-hard to believe you guys aren’t just stat spewing, post wielding robots :).

Our next podcast is going to be moderated by Linguo.
I thought Linguo were dead?
They only work if you say the whole word. And this goes for most people.

A lot of times you’re sounds like yur; they’re sounds theyr; must’ve sounds like musta.
 
There are ways to sound professional and causal at the same time. You just have to say the word you are trying to say, and slowing down a little bit, not robot slow, just a little slower.

I’m not trying to bash anyone. It seems like Jeff, Mathew and Graham are on a path to something bigger, and I just thought I would add a little.

Nobody is going to hear "yur" and not understand if it's "your" or "you're," because they have the entire context of the sentence to work with.

There’s nothing wrong with using contractions in modern English — written or spoken.

I mean, I understand wanting to uphold certain language standards. I really do.

But contractions are a standard, accepted part of speech. Language evolves, and speakers have obviously decided over the years that contractions are a good thing. They speed up communication, and they confuse no one. I just think it’s a weird thing to worry about — particularly in a conversation about baseball.

You can use them,

All I am saying is that you have to say the real contraction, not the shorter version of the already short word. Some time record yourself in a conversation. Play it back them listen to the radio. You will notice a distinct deference.

By the way, I do appreciate the constructive criticism
I would prefer both of you be on your lips drunk next time.
The idea came up
So we'll get to hear slurred mumbling?

Just joshin’.

Why do a drunk game thread when we can do a drunk podcast?
iTunes

Here you go you damn Apple fanboys

http://www.itunes.com/podcast?id=351915099

And fan girls

Thanks, hopefully this will get going so I can subscribe. Oh and the explicit label cracks me up.

I will do my best to censor myself, but a curse is going to slip out on occasion

and I didn’t want to give Apple any reason to be dickheads

That's me.

Thanks.

It should help me get through the work day once you guys churn out these podcasts more regularly.
Also, is it possible to make money off the podcasting?

Or is there certain legal restrictions since you guys don’t own LL?

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