Some Quick Thoughts On Day 7 Of The Playoffs
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 12, 2010 11:56 PM PDT
in Seattle Mariners Game Recaps

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Two days off. Two days off! And then our second consecutive round that doesn't feature the Red Sox! Life is good.
- It's weird to think that that went exactly as I wanted it to go. Rationally, I shouldn't have been rooting for the Rangers. What's good for the Rangers is bad for the Mariners. Not directly, but it's close. The better the Rangers do in the playoffs, the more money they make. The more money they make, the more money they can spend on their team. The more money they can spend on their team, the better they'll be. That's bad. They're a divisional rival. And that doesn't even touch on the whole they-could-make-the-Series-before-we-do thing. That's the kind of meaningless bit of trivia that, to a fan, can sometimes mean everything.
But as I so often do when I can't figure out a rooting interest, I sat there and let my heart decide. And as I watched the Rangers take on the Rays in a decisive playoff Game 5, I found myself rooting for the rival. I found myself rooting for the Rangers to succeed, and I found myself hooting and cheering out loud when they scored, or when Cliff Lee made a phenomenal pitch.
(Granted, that might be because many of the Rangers' runs, and many of Lee's pitches, were hoot-worthy.)
I can't really explain it, and I don't have to explain it, because nothing about fanhood is rational. Rational fanhood is non-existent fanhood. It's why no one can ever write a serious rootability article. Who you cheer for is left entirely up to the individual, and sometimes that individual will cheer for a team even without knowing why he's doing it. I don't know why I was cheering so hard for the Rangers. But there's no denying that I was.
I suspect it had a lot to do with Cliff Lee, and obviously I feel a stronger connection with him than I do with any other player on that team. Even without Lee, though, I think I still would've been cheering for the Rangers. And if they'd been able to advance without Lee's services, I think I still would've been happy. They're a fun team. What can I say? The Rays are a fun team, too, but I saw enough of the Rays in 2008. I've moved on.
If the Rangers make the playoffs again in 2011 - and the Mariners don't - I'm guessing I'll move on from them, as well, and cheer for somebody else, like the Pirates. The Rangers will be old hat to me. For now, they're still fresh. They're fresh, and I find them likable. Even if the damned claw and antlers are starting to drive me up a motherfucking wall
- Cliff Lee makes me laugh. Or, I should say Cliff Lee makes me giggle. In Game 1, he took a few innings to get settled, and then he was automatic. Today, in Game 5, it took him a few innings to get settled, and then he was automatic. The tipping point was the fourth inning. After falling behind a couple times in the second and getting into trouble in the third, Lee found his spot in the fourth, and decided that would be a good time to start flipping that big loopy curve. He struck out the side. The Rangers had just taken the lead back in the top half of the inning, and when I saw Lee carve through the Rays 5-6-7 the way that he did, I chuckled to myself. That was it. The Rays had blown their last chance the inning before, and now Cliff Lee was ready to pitch.
And, obviously, he was incredible, despite the best efforts of Jason Bartlett, who deserves a gold star for getting three hits against Lee and working him for a ten-pitch at bat in the fifth. Once Lee got going, the Rays' only hope was to work long at bats and chase him from the game. Bartlett did his best, but no one else could manage. So Lee just kept pitching.
His final numbers are obscene, or they would be obscene for anyone who isn't 2010 Cliff Lee. Lee worked a complete game. He didn't walk a soul, and he struck out 11. Of his 120 pitches, 90 were strikes. A bunch of pitchers have thrown 90 strikes in a playoff game - it's been done 16 times - but only three times has a starter thrown strikes with at least 75% of his pitches. Lee's company? Josh Beckett, Curt Schilling, and last week's Roy Halladay. And the highest any of those guys went was 108.
Lee's just on another level. He isn't alone on that level, but there aren't enough others to form a basketball team. I guess they could play tennis. Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay could play tennis against each other. And they'd probably be awesome at it.
At most, the Rangers are only going to get two starts from Lee in the ALCS. They, and we, can have as much confidence that Lee will pitch well as they, and we, have ever had in any pitcher. The man is so nails he could give a guy tetanus.
- In the ninth inning, Rays fans were streaming out of Tropicana Field by the thousands. I can forgive the Rays for their lousy attendance. I understand the problem. They're in a difficult situation. But these people were already there. They were already in attendance for Game 5 of an ALDS, and though most of them started to leave after the Ian Kinsler home run, that only made it a 5-1 contest. It's not like the task at hand was impossible. And besides, even if the Rays were doomed, this would be their last game of the season, and the last game of Carl Crawford's Tampa career. How important was that 5-10 minute head start?
Some fans will leave any sporting event early. That's just the nature of big crowds. But this left a bitter taste in my mouth. I feel bad for the hardcore fans the Rays have, because they're not the problem. The problem is the shitty support among the others, and those are the people with whom the hardcore fans are being lumped in when critics say the Rays have the worst fanbase in baseball. They have some great, great fans. They also have thousands upon thousands of people who would leave Game 5 early.
- In case you weren't watching, here's how the Rangers scored their first three runs:
(1) Elvis Andrus scores from second on a Josh Hamilton groundout to first
(2) Nelson Cruz scores from second when he attempts to steal third with two outs and the throw sails into the outfield
(3) Vladimir Guerrero scores from second on an Ian Kinsler groundout to first
These were three weird, weird plays that you just don't expect to see in such a critical playoff game. In order:
(1) I thought Andrus' baserunning was terrific. Andrus briefly slowed down as he rounded third, but he has good speed, and as soon as he noticed that David Price had his back to the plate, he bolted straight home. It was a super aggressive play, but it was by a guy with quick legs, and it set the tone early.
(2) I thought Cruz's baserunning was awful. With two outs and none on, Cruz hit a long fly ball to straightaway center and walked a few steps out of the box before he realized the ball would stay in play and started sprinting. He wound up with a double, which meant he was already in scoring position. I don't know why he suddenly bolted for third. Obviously, it worked, as he caught everyone by surprise. But he got a terrible jump, and had Kelly Shoppach made a better throw, he would've been meat.
The approximate break-even rate on that attempt was about 90%. Cruz had to be 90% sure he'd make it for the attempt to be worthwhile, because going from second to third with two outs doesn't mean very much. I think he got lucky. It panned out, and it gave the Rangers a huge run, and it earned Cruz a lot of high fives, and that's great, but he was a normal throw from having some questions to answer.
(3) I thought Vlad's baserunning was okay and weird. It was a very similar attempt to Andrus' in the first, as Vlad went 180 feet on a groundball. The big difference is that Vlad isn't Elvis Andrus. Andrus can fly. Vladimir Guerrero runs like he's sneaking a bottle of beer in his sock. Again, he made it because David Price had his back to home plate and then double-pumped on his throw home while Shoppach made a poor try at a tag, and the run was enormous, but that's something I don't want a guy like Vlad doing very often. I just don't trust him.
Vladimir Guerrero ran 180 feet on an infield groundout, and Bengie Molina stole second base. If that happened against me in a video game I'd submit a bug report to the developers. "See, you have these things happening that don't happen ever."
- Of course, we couldn't let the game go by without a little umpire controversy. First, there was Michael Young barely tagging Jason Bartlett in a pickle in the third. Second, there was the grounder on which Vlad came home, where first base umpire Mike DiMuro ruled that Ian Kinsler beat the throw to first even though replays showed that the ball arrived ahead of him. If Price truly caught the ball before Kinsler arrived, and Kinsler had been called out, that would've completed a 3-6-1 double play, and the inning would've ended without the Rangers' third run going on the board.
Both calls were very, very close. I haven't seen anything conclusive on the replays. I suspect that Kinsler was out, but I'm not sure. I think baseball needs to expand its list of acceptable uses for instant replay. I also think baseball needs a hell of a lot more cameras.
I've said a few times that, at least anecdotally, Cliff Lee the last few years seriously reminds me of Maddux.
Maddux didn’t have “stuff,” he just had a variety of fastballs with lots of different movement that he’d locate wherever the hell he wanted, and had some other pitches to go with them. Sounds like Lee, right?
Then this.
I remember an interview where Maddux said he would intentionally hold back some of his pitches early in games to set up hitters for later. The idea being they’d expect something lesser in later at-bats and he’d make them look stupid by pulling out his real un-hittable crap.
And, low-and-behold, Maddux had (for him) a pretty bad ERA and K/BB ratio in the first inning. I looked this up after making this vague-memory-based comparison, but it does seem like Cliff Lee.
So, essentially, Cliff Lee is Greg Maddux. This is proof.
philkid3 - October 13, 2010
Or, as Dave from USSM pointed out.....
Patrick Stites - October 13, 2010
"Vladimir Guerrero runs like he's sneaking a bottle of beer in his sock."
Holy shit.
Joe Metro - October 13, 2010
And a link via Jeff
of the ginger ale shower CJ Wilson arranged for Josh WIlson
msb - October 13, 2010
*Hamilton
Although I prefer your version.
Eyeball Kid - October 13, 2010
Josh Wilson prefers Grape Soda
Bearskin Rugburn - October 13, 2010
Wilson digs him some sizzurp
with grenadine instead of codeine.
lemonverbena - October 13, 2010
"I don't know why I was cheering so hard for the Rangers. But there's no denying that I was."
My entire life!
ghostofErikThompson - October 13, 2010
Tampa Bay has by far the worst fans in MLB.
Jack Swan - October 13, 2010
I forgot the A's.
Their fans are even worse.
Jack Swan - October 13, 2010
Um...
Red Sox fans?
ToddK - October 13, 2010
Red Sox fans still watch their team.
Patrick Stites - October 13, 2010
True, but gawd they're unbearable.
ToddK - October 13, 2010
Nobody is obligated to support a MLB team
There could be a variety of factors which are regional to Tampa that influence the lower turnouts. That doesn’t make their actual fans any more or less worse, just potentially smaller in number.
Matthew - October 13, 2010
You are right.
I have much respect for diehard fans of the A’s and Rays. They remind me of the 10,000 friends of ours who showed up for every god forsaken Mariners game during the 1980’s.
But the douchebags who started leaving after the Kinsler homerun make me want to puke, as well as the “Oakland fans” who failed to sell out just about every Oakland playoff game during the Billy Beane era.
Jack Swan - October 13, 2010
There are certain team I just can't root for.
Fuck the Rangers.
Fuck the Yankees.
This ALCS is going to suck.
ToddK - October 13, 2010
I'm hoping for some sort of earthquake or cataclysm to wipe them both off the face of the earth
pdb - October 13, 2010
This would only be acceptable if Cliff Lee emerged from the wreckage unhurt and smiling broadly.
Chris Hafner - October 13, 2010
He'd the sort to carry everyone out of the maelstrom alive
and then proceed to shut them out for nine innings.
Bearskin Rugburn - October 13, 2010
Not a Mariner any more, don't really care
I like watching him pitch but he left me to marry another fan at this point so whatever.
pdb - October 13, 2010
I'd be a shame for that to happen and the Red Sox and Angels to escape unharmed.
Matthew - October 13, 2010
There can be more than one earthquake
pdb - October 13, 2010
Wait 'til next year.
JY - October 13, 2010
The Yankees are my team once the Mariners are out of it.
Also I have never hated the Rangers to the degree that I hate the Angels and the A’s. I don’t know why that is.
Jack Swan - October 13, 2010
I don't mean this in a snarky way at all
but how are the Yankees your team? You hear so few people say “the Yankees are my team” unless they live in the tri-state area that I always wonder how non-New Yorkers became Yankee fans.
pdb - October 13, 2010
Some things defy reason
I was a slight Yankee fan when I was younger. I was an M’s fan first but loved playing with Ruth, Gehrig and Maris on RBI baseball and liked the logo, unis and history. Even was photographed wearing a Yankees jacket in front of the Kingdome. Kids are stupid.
lemonverbena - October 13, 2010
Grandfather was a huge Yankee fan and I guess I inherited it.
The fandom is rather fickle though as I enjoy the underdog wins against the Yankees in the World Series like 01 and 03. Of all the other AL teams (especially Boston) I do like to see the Yankees in the Series more than any other team (except the M’s of course). If Cliff Lee could somehow beat them in a game seven of the ALCS I sure wouldn’t cry about it though.
Jack Swan - October 13, 2010
Just to be clear,
I’d be saying “fuck the A’s and Angels” too, but they aren’t in the playoffs so I really don’t give a rip about them.
ToddK - October 13, 2010
Fuck the A's, sure
But I never really had a problem with the Angels. shrug
Aly Edge - October 13, 2010
I don't know.
There is something about the A’s and Angels that just inspires hatred in me. Being from an AL city I almost always rooted for the AL team to win the Series but I loved watching Cincy sweep the A’s and I absolutely hated the Angels for what they did to the Giants in 2002.
I would honestly rather watch the Rangers win the next five World Series than see the A’s or Angels in the playoffs at all. I think I hate them as much as true blue Yankees fans hate the Red Sox.
Jack Swan - October 13, 2010
I thought I was the only one 'round here who felt that way
I was hoping against hope that the Rays would rally. I sorta wanted them to win, but I REALLY wanted the Rangers to lose. God, I hate the Rangers. I think I actually mildly prefer the Yankees in the ALCS (what’s a 50 billionth pennant to them vs. yet another team to get to a World Series before the M’s), and that about makes me sick.
Aly Edge - October 13, 2010
The Kinsler call
I believe was called safe because Price was in an awkward position and his foot wasn’t touching the base as it was twisting around and that’s why Ian was called safe. I don’t think there’s any argument at all that Ian didn’t beat that throw.
Escher - October 13, 2010
What I want is a good camera view of Price's foot
I never saw one
Jeff Sullivan - October 13, 2010
I agree
Escher - October 13, 2010
Back and to the left.
abender20 - October 13, 2010
at least in that case
the ump was staring right at the bag when Price’s foot and Kinsler’s foot were at one instant not there and in the next instant one was there.
This wasn’t a case where the ump didn’t see what was going on and just made his best guess call (like the Young “tag” of Bartlett)
JBImaknee - October 13, 2010
It's not the first time Guerrero has scored from second on a ball in the infield
http://www.rallymonkey.com/article.php?art=200509103310
Eyebrows - October 13, 2010 via mobile
I don't mind either team advancing.
With the Rangers, I like their story and how their organization is run. Their trade for the big piece in Cliff Lee pays off and helps the Rangers ascend to new heights. I’m not eager to see the Rangers get to the World Series before the Mariners do but it would help if our team stops crapping out seasons like the one we just had.
The Rangers being in position to further improve their club makes the division harder to win. I think it’s more unfortunate that we’ve HAD the resources to make the division harder to win for others and we keep screwing it up.
ThundaPC - October 13, 2010
It would have been funnier if they filled the bottles of ginger ale with champagne.
Robert - October 13, 2010
I thought I was rooting for the Rays
A few times I had to try to convince myself to quit rooting for the Rangers. Then I gave up. Honestly, Cliff Lee, Vladimir Guerrero, and Nelson Cruz are some of my favorite baseball players, and it was just fun to watch them go out there and kick ass. All that’s over if they meet the Giants, though.
chaney - October 13, 2010
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