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A Thought On Cliff Lee's Domination Of The Yankees

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Everything you need to know about Cliff Lee - not Cliff Lee in general, but Cliff Lee the pitcher, as he is right now - you could've picked up from the way people were talking about Game 3 of the ALCS leading up to the first pitch.

Game 3, of course, was to feature the Yankees, and it was to take place in New York. Yankee Stadium. Home of the ghosts, and home of the most successful franchise in baseball history. They say if you want to win the World Series, you have to go through the Yankees. That's just who they are. They don't exist as a regular season baseball team. They exist as a boss from a video game. Sure, you might see them a few times early, in May or July. You might even get in a few solid hits. But you know you can't kill them there. You know they're going to get away, and you know that, if you do well enough, you'll have to face them later.

You'll have to face them in their lair. October - that's where the Yankees live. The Yankees are always there, and the Yankees are always formidable. And the Yankees are always the favorites. At least in their minds, and in those of their fans and the media. If you talk about the Yankees in the playoffs, you damn sure better talk about the Yankees winning in the playoffs. Otherwise you'll have some serious explaining to do.

Come October, the Yankees are always the team that's supposed to win. Whether for legitimate reasons or nebulous ones, treating the Yankees as favorites is what drives the dialogue.

Only tonight was different. The Yankees weren't the favorites tonight. Not against Cliff Lee. Not even with Andy Pettitte taking the ball on their behalf. People have been talking about Lee's presence in this series for a week. People have been talking about how much he means to Texas, and how much he could mean against New York. And coming into Game 3, that Yankee overconfidence - it was nowhere to be found. There was hope. But there were no declarations.

There was fear. Real fear. If not on the part of the players, then certainly on the part of the fans and the writers. The fans knew better than to expect anything against a guy like Cliff Lee. That much became clearly evident in the fourth inning, when the stadium erupted in applauding an 11-pitch at bat by Nick Swisher, and then gave Mark Teixeira a standing ovation for drawing a two-out walk. Yankees fans are pretty much always into the game, and they generally know what's good for their team, but that was above and beyond. They weren't cheering because their guys worked two long at bats. They were cheering because they just wanted to see a sign - any sign - that Cliff Lee is human.

Cliff Lee is on such a level right now that he turned the Yankees into playoff underdogs. Not just statistical underdogs. Popular underdogs. Consensus underdogs. Cliff Lee did what nobody's done. Cliff Lee did what Pedro Martinez could never do. Cliff Lee humbled New York in advance.

That's Cliff Lee. That's the guy the Rangers have got.

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You'll recall that this was a 2-0 game going into the ninth, and Lee had thrown a season-high 122 pitches. Still, according to Ron Washington, Lee was originally going to go back out there to try and finish the game had the top of the ninth not lasted so long.

That decision would've had people up in arms. Especially from the statistical sector, who have spilled millions of virtual words on the subject of how pitchers deteriorate at higher pitch counts and in their fourth turn through the lineup. Statistically, your best bet when your starter has 122 pitches is to go to the bullpen. It doesn't matter how shaky those guys have looked. The numbers say that Lee should be done.

That's a reasonable argument. It's an argument based entirely on fact and historical player performance. At the same time, Lee closed out the eighth having retired nine batters in a row - four by strikeout - needing just 41 pitches. Lee was looking very, very good. And the only indication that he'd gotten as deep as he had was his actual pitch count. There was nothing performance-related suggesting he was losing it.

Statistically, it's the wrong move to send Lee back out for the ninth. Yet, had the game remained close, I would've understood. Those numbers are averages. They don't say much when it comes to one particular game. And in this particular game, Lee looked as strong as ever. He was the guy, and he probably deserved it.

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It looks like Cliff Lee is about to teabag Gardner in the picture,

which then I guess you could say Cliff Lee metaphorically teabagged the Yankees lineup tonight.

That's not how you do it
I would argue it looks like he is stepping (with purpose!) over the prostrate Gardner, with the intention of dropping a large, rosy-smelling dump right on his melon

That’s what happens when a Yankee tries to get on base against Cliff in the postseason, my friend. Let this be a lesson to your teammates.

I agree.

And I would have liked to see Felix throw.

If it had still been 2-0, Cliff would've been fine going another 1/2 inning
I'm convinced the Rangers are going to the World Series if the Yankees don't win the next 3 games.
I would go farther and say that the Rangers will go to the world series if the Yankees don't win the next two games
I will go even farther and say that if the Yankees win tonight, the series is tied 2-2.
Wonder how much money the Red Sox would pay to stop the Yankees dead every 5 days,,,
Too bad they blew all that $ on Lackey last season.

Though I wouldn’t be too surprised if they were in on Lee.

They have all the resources in the world

They’ll be in on Lee

All I can say is that if you want Felix to win the Cy this year....

It’s a good thing that voting happened before Cliff started putting on the postseason special.

Putting the line through before makes that sentence incredibly confusing.
The Yankees in October = video game boss level

Perfect.

Is there any amount of money the Yanks won't offer Lee?

Lee can basically name his price next year. If he wants money and rings, he’ll be a Yankee because there’s no way they’ll allow themselves to be outbid by Boston or anyone else. The Nationals are claiming they’ll be in on Lee…and they appear to have some payroll room…but whatever amount they offer, the Yanks are going to offer a little more.

From the Yankees perspective, it would be worth millions just to get Lee away from any playoff team that stands between them and World Series victory. They know they’ll be in the playoffs next year, and they know if they don’t sign Lee, another contender will. Just having him on their own bench is probably two games they don’t face him in the postseason.

Someone talk me down, because I have a pathological hatred of pinstripes and imagining Lee wearing them is making me ill.

Not all pitchers care about money exclusively

It’s entirely possible someone else bids enough to win his services, and that includes Boston or other teams. What if he doesn’t want to be a Yankee? What if he gets a ring this year, and honestly doesn’t think his best chance for more rings is with an aging Yankees squad?

Lee —→ pinstripes is not guaranteed by any means.

How often does it happen though?

Once a player hits free agency he pretty much goes to the highest bidder doesn’t he? I suppose Lee could be willing to stay in Texas for less money (God forbid) and they just didn’t have time to do an extension. Or maybe he wants to be closer to home and could sign with Atlanta, the only team other than Texas close to Arkansas that might have the payroll.

It seems like the top FA’s usually go with the bucks, though. It’s going to be a ridiculous amount of money.

If it matters any

His wife likes it that Texas is so much closer to his home in Arkansas.

But the stadium in Texas and the heat in July and August can't be what he wants to deal with.
Nobody else seems to have a problem with it when they go there

He’s not some delicate flower who wilts when the temperature gets above 85 degrees.

I don't think a small market team can compete on Lee

NY will most likely off and land him on a 5 year 110-120, with a 6th year option to push him closer to 140 Million. Lee being in his early 30’s will be to risky for any team not Boston or New York. The Yankees will also overbid because no other Ace will be on the market for the next 2-3 years.

There are players that the Yankees have passed on before because of cost.

The Yankees do not just go out and buy everyone

I would argue that on an aging pitcher on a 5+ year deal

The Yankee’s or Red Sox would be only organizations able to take the risk. I think NY will go after Lee the way they went after Giambi after seeing his dominance against them in the playoffs.

How do Mariner fans feel about the Lee trade?

I think Texas gave you guys a good haul to rent him.

I'm tickled pink

That we sent him to Texas instead of New York. Fuck you Yankees, I’m positively giddy that a decision the Mariners made is likely going to be the biggest factor in whether or not you advance to the World Series.

It’s the next best thing to beating them ourselves.

The trade had two big benefits for M's fans

First, we get to see him pitch against NY in the playoffs…something that would not have happened if we’d traded him to NY or kept him.

Second, we get to roll out Justin Smoak every time we play Texas for the next five years.

Now this all goes to hell if Texas manages to re-sign Lee. To a very hot corner of hell.

I'm ecstatic

I wanted Smoak all along but never thought we’d get him.

I was devastated that he went to Texas

And not thrilled that a rapist was included in the trade package. But Smoak softens the blow. I imagine I’ll end up forgiving him for his past associations much like I did Jay Buhner :p

But seriously though, fuck Texas. This series has made me figure out that I hate them even more than the Yankees.

He was never convicted of rape.
O.J. was never convicted of murder.
This subthread stops here, please
I predicted an easy win of the division when you guys picked him up last year

Smoak was a great acquisition and a position of need. I guess the season was officially over when Jack Hannahan showed his true colors…. :)

I still miss Hammerhands :(

It shows how rotten the season was when M’s fans grow wistful over bench players.

Love the nickname 1st I have heard of

I always liked Jack. I had a perfect angle to watch him fight dirty when Texas’s Padilla threw at Swisher’s head in Oakland. Jack UFC style pile-drived a Ranger head first. If only his hitting was anywhere near his defense.

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