Lookout Landing

One home uni, one away uni

Home: White
Away: Grey

That’s how it should be.

surfmonkey89 - October 21, 2010 reply

Yes yes yes a thousand times yes

Variety, man.

It’s the spice of life!

Wrong seven letter word that starts with a "V".

Vaginas?

New England Fan - October 21, 2010 reply

Agree 100%

This alternate uniform for alternate “thursdays that fall on days of the month divisible by three” kind of deal drives me crazy. The identity of a team is forged by its uniform. Do the premier franchises have alternate uniforms? Do the Yankees have alternate uniforms? This is just a way of getting more gear to sell.

The Red Sox do wear red shirts now and again which is somewhat annoying

as is the fact that there is not a single bit of red on their current road unis.

The hat!

And presumably, the socks.

By "unis" I guess I meant shirt and pants

forgot about the hat.

And it looks like there are in fact red socks on the left sleeve so I stand corrected

but still.

You are sharp-eyed for a man of advanced age

I was hoping it wasn't a bloodstain on my monitor or something

Almost every single team has at least 1 alternate jersey.

Including the Phillies, Giants, Braves, Rangers, Red Sox, and Cubs. So nice try I suppose.

I don't mind alternates for special occasions,

but alternates for every third Tuesday piss me off.

I guess that just doesn't make sense to me.

I love seeing alternates once or twice a week on a homestand. Team colors are a big part of a team’s identity.

So what qualifies as team colors?

You look at some teams, and they have 20 colors on deck. How does that help identify a team? You don’t see Coca-Cola with 20 different colors of cans for Classic Coke. It’s always red and white so you can instantly identify it on the shelf. KFC doesn’t paint some restaurants teal and black, and some white and red. This whole thing is simply a ploy to try to sell more jerseys to suckers.

What team has 20 different colors? At most I've seen 3.

And even though we got rid of the teal-billed hats in 2001, we’ve had navy and teal as our colors since we switched to the compass logo. The colors a team wears on the field are their team colors, and teal’s always been a part of our current uniform, even if it hasn’t always been featured.

I don't have the stats in front of me,

but I know the Dallas Cowboys have at least three versions of blue, and mulitple versions of silver along with white, black and grey listed as team colors. Uni Watch did a big thing on this a while back. I’ll see if I can find it in the archives.

I think I found it:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/071025&sportCat=nfl

As a consumer

I want multiple choices. If people want more jerseys, sweet! I don’t see this as a gear-marketing-ploy so much.

This is totally a gear marketing ploy and nothing else

you think they asked the players what they wanted to wear next year?

pdb - October 22, 2010 reply

I don't think it's ridiculous to think that they did ask the players, and there's no way we can know.

Okay, I may have been naive in my thinking about marketing ploys. But the thing is, you can buy teal jerseys now if you want.

I guess I just don’t entirely get this angle. Jerseys are expensive. People who buy a lot of jerseys are going to buy new jerseys year to year anyway. These people are going to buy a new jersey next year regardless, maybe now it will be teal.

People with less money probably don’t buy as many jerseys, maybe only one every couple of years. Maybe this year their one jersey will be teal.

You really think this will increase their jersey sales year-over-year? I just don’t get the “this is just to make money off of stupid people” criticism. If you don’t like the jerseys, fine, don’t buy them.

It has been found that changing the alternate jerseys on a regular basis does

have an upwards effect on jersey sales. Some fans are compulsive about needing to have one of every single iteration that comes out. Those are the people being targeted with such decisions.

Do you have a link for that?

Not trying to be a dick because it does make sense. I’m curious though if there was a study done or something.

No link.

I have a client who produces league approved apparel and it was something he communicated to me.

Sec 108 - October 25, 2010 reply

I said nothing about people being stupid

pdb - October 22, 2010 reply

I'm a total traditionalist when it comes to baseball uniforms

and pandering to the fanbase to sell more units really pisses me off.

Infact after looking, every team but the Yankees, Tigers, Cardinals and Dodgers have at least 1.

Many teams have at least 2, and several having 3.

This is solid reasoning.

Sec 108 - October 21, 2010 reply

Rays, Rangers, Giants, Phillies (old school), Twins, Braves....

All made the playoffs this year, and they all have alternate uniforms. Plenty of premier organizations have alternates.

LATE

I'd like to see more teams use colours other than grey for their away jerseys.

Remember the Pirates’ yellow?

Or the Royals’ powder blue?

That’s what I’d like to see. None of this everyone’s grey crap.

Now, MLB might be behind the all grey trend. They vetoed Toronto’s planned away jerseys a few years ago that were going to be a slightly darker grey. Oh, those rebels.

Llewdor - October 21, 2010 reply

like this?

That's a national team though.

It’s a little different situation.

I know.

I actually agree with him though. I like color in uniforms. If every team wore white and grey it would be incredibly boring. Simple color jerseys like Texas are great.

I can agree with colors instead of grey.

But pick one and stick with it.

Oh, and I prefer white pants to the monochrome look,

but that’s just my opinion.

I think that is something all non-Cuban teams agree on.

I prefer it in all sports actually.

I’m not a big fan of “all one color”, except for some reason all white is okay. I guess I’m racist.

New England Fan - October 22, 2010 reply

Exactly

When I see teams on Sport Center, I don’t want to have to guess who I’m seeing

No one else likes navy?

Fuckmikereilly - October 21, 2010 reply

I like it.

Definitely better than grey.

Eyeball Kid - October 21, 2010 reply

Grey sucks for jerseys

I agree to an extent

but I think home uniforms should be given discretion to wear whatever color they want except gray, while all road uniforms should be gray. Multiple alternate uniform types is just a way to sell more jerseys. That’s annoying.

Corco - October 21, 2010 reply

Lame

Poochie - October 22, 2010 reply

They're calling teal "Northwest Green"?

That’s like calling Paul Blart: Mall Cop “Northwest Die Hard”. Or like calling urine “Northwest Lemonade”. Or like calling Jose Lopez “Northwest Jose Bautista”. I could go on.

The Typical Idiot Fan - October 21, 2010 reply

2 + 2 = 5

Janic - October 21, 2010 reply

Yeah, okay, the name is retarded.

But the teal is awesome.

What I don't really get is the trident love.

I like the trident and all, but having the team wear it once or twice at home every five years or so is good enough for me.

I went to the Turn Back the Clock game to the late ‘80s/early ’90s blue-and-gold "M’s" uniforms, which I enjoyed, but don’t need to see any more than once a decade.

But I would enjoy the M’s in Rainiers duds for probably a series a season. I’d be more excited, though, if Tacoma didn’t already use that moniker.

Two Rs and Two Ls - October 21, 2010 reply

The same way most of you grew up with the current unis, I grew up with the trident

it’s the uniform that I first identified with the Mariners and as such will always be a big part of my Mariner fandom.

New England Fan - October 21, 2010 reply

Agree -

The blue and gold was a paen to the Pilots who wore the same colors. The trident was just cool. I still have a trident hat.

Yes indeed

The road early-80’s throwbacks they wore this year were widely praised as well.

Those were amazing and I'd love that to be the standard road uni

I grew up with the Safeway S, and I still love the trident.

Yes indeed.

The trident and those colors were the first pennant I had on my wall, the first Mariner’s hat I had, the logo on the wrist band I got from some promotion back in the 80’s, etc, etc.

That is the M’s when I first started following them.

Yep.

The Trident IS the Mariners in my mind to this day. The rest of those uniforms weren’t so great but the hat was the shit. I will always pine for its triumphant return. That and the tugboat bullpen car.

Big Jared - October 21, 2010 reply

I usually don't give a shit about uniforms, but these make me sad.

1. Teal is gross. It’s always been gross, but the ‘90s embraced gross colors, so we put up with it. But it’s not something I’m hankering to see again.

2. It’s too soon. Guys who wore those jerseys are still playing professional baseball. A “throwback” jersey to 15 years ago seems like a stretch.

3. It’s yet another indication that this organization is stuck in the ’90s.

Teej - October 21, 2010 reply

I'm hoping for mandatory big shoulders and Arsenio Hall haircuts when the teal is worn

I don't think they're stuck in the 90s, rather they are finally rectifying a horrible horrible mistake they made 14 years ago

It's all about getting fans in seats on a friday night.

If I remember right the last time they wore the teal shirts a lot of people said they liked the teal, but too bad no one saw them wear it for a whole game since the game wasn’t a tv broadcast

LeftArrow2 - October 21, 2010 reply

It's also about selling merch to nostalgists

The players liked them last year, the fans liked them last year, they were cool at the time, I don't see the problem.

Even if you don’t like them, they’ll only wear them probably 10-15 times a year.

Personally I never liked them, even when they first came out.

But I despise the color teal, so there is that. I wasn’t aware that any players were big fans of them. I’m guessing it was some of the younger guys that maybe saw Griffey wear it in his prime or something?

Not sure, but Kevin Martinez (Mariners marketing director) said on twitter about a day after that a lot of the players really liked them, and they were going to apply to use them in 2011.

You follow the M's marketing director on Twitter?

You sir are much more dedicated than I.

Kenneth Arthur - October 21, 2010 reply

There's some interesting tidbits on his feed every now and then

Yeah I follow him, hes fairly interesting at times, and tweeting him is good for feedback.

Indeed, he can answer a few questions like "Is Felix's twitter legit?"

Is it?

Robert - October 21, 2010 reply

He says it's collaborative between him and his representatives, so yeah.

BrettJMiller - October 22, 2010 reply

Hmm...

Now I’m curious which players it was. Lopez thought they were slimming, Jack Wilson thought they drew attention away from his teeth, and Ichiro liked them because “They’d look great with my paisley pants!”.

Not only do I love the teal, but I love having navy alternates

It sets up scenarios where we could wear 4 different jerseys 4 straight games!!!

Phil Hatzenbuehler - October 21, 2010 reply

The Mariners are becoming the Oregon Ducks.

We don't wear gayass neon yellow

It's only a matter of time by the looks of things

This front office would apparently mistake gayass yellow as "Northwest gold"

I'm for any uniform that reminds the viewer of pee

Honestly I am just happy the "Future" wasn't/isn't what it was presumed to be.

Link here, image quite large.

I was at the game with these, and ended up getting one... Seemed like a much better idea at the time, when I was like 11 or 12.

I was there as well!

Still have the promotion hat.

BigR - October 21, 2010 reply

I was too late to get the hat, I think my dad had to work late or something so we go there just before it started, was a fun game, good atmosphere.

Ten year old me thought it was the greatest thing in the history of baseball.

BigR - October 21, 2010 reply

Same here, it was fantastic as a kid.

Of COURSE the Mariners will have red hats in the future.

Who knows really, Angels and Diamond backs are 2 teams that have had drastic uniform changes, off the top of my head.

Of course I meant Diamondbacks.

Image hosted by angelfire?

Found it via Google's image search.

So tight.

GOD

Robert - October 21, 2010 reply

??

joof - October 21, 2010 reply

It's not gayass, it's electricity.

it's completely gayass

I wouldn't mind that, imagine a different uniform every single game, it'd be exciting guessing what it would look like each night.

You know, sometime to distract you in case the team is god awful.

New England Fan - October 21, 2010 reply

We need some feathers on our uniforms!

LeftArrow2 - October 21, 2010 reply

One uniform for home, one for the road

That’s all

I liked the darker alternatives better

But I guess there’s no use complaining now.

Aaroniero Arruruerie - October 21, 2010 via mobile reply

You still get them on the road!

Next, the return of the black alts for interleague play!

I'd bet in 2012 they'll probably make the navys also a home alternate again.

I’d suppose that this year they only want to have the “new” alternate at home to market it more to the fans.

I'll tell you one thing, they'll never get my money for an alternate jersey.

No team ever will. Screw the black Seahawks jerseys, and the neon green too. Screw teal.

Throwbacks (real ones) are different. I would spring for the old trident stuff, both home and away.

If the team actually wears it on the field, I would be willing to buy it.

If the Mariners wore pink, I’d buy a pink jersey. They don’t, so I think it’s an abomination. But the Hawks wore lime green once, and the M’s are wearing teal again now, so it seems like fair game to buy them now.

The black Seahawks jerseys are "fashion jerseys", but I see your point.

Some are just awful.

What is a "fashion jersey"?

I’ve never heard of this. And Brett, I see your point. Once they actually wear it, it becomes a legit purchase in that sense, but I personally will not spend my money on something that the team only wears “every now and then” (or in the case of the neon Seahawks jerseys, hopefully NEVER again).

Jerseys that are only sold in stores

so fans can wear them and look cool. But they will never see the field.

I hate Jim Mora for killing those jerseys.

BrianL - October 21, 2010 reply

I thought I heard Pete Carroll

was open to bringing them back.

Say it ain't so Pete!!

My love for Coach Carroll increases.

BrianL - October 21, 2010 reply

Oh please oh please.

Where did you hear this?

I can't find any articles

maybe i dreamed it…

That's the best thing he ever did as coach.

A fashion jersey is a jersey that the players don't wear and is designed and sold purely for fashion reasons.

This makes me want to kick the douchebags that wear them in the balls even more than I did before.

You seem like an angry man.

Fans that wear gear that isn't in the team colors piss me off.

If you aren’t a big enough fan to wear the colors, then don’t wear the gear at all.

I dont see your point?

If the team/league creates the item, and its authentically licensed merchandise, how does that make someone “not a big enough fan” for wearing it? It was made by the team/league.

Because team colors are important.

Just because they put their logo on a pile of dog crap doesn’t mean you have to buy it and put it on your head.

If you want a Mariner’s hat, get a Mariner’s hat with the team colors. Why does it have to be pink (unless it’s a charity thing)? I told my wife I would never buy her pink team gear, and if I caught her with any it was getting burned. Thankfully she agrees with me.

Also, there is something to be said for going into a stadium and seeing a flood of team colors everywhere. But when people are wearing black, pink, neon, teal, white, blue, etc, it kind of ruins the whole effect.

I've worn a camouflage Mariners cap almost every day since the start of the 2008 season I believe, I must not be a very good fan.

Personally, I think a camo cap is the same thing as a pink cap.

Until the team starts wearing camo, why should anyone else? Team colors are a big part of a team’s identity. I have to agree that fashion hats and jerseys are stupid.

How can you wear a camo cap when that's the color of our accursed rival?

Different shade of camo!

I hate this logic.

I own a Mariners team color hat but it hangs in my living room because I don’t like the colors. I do collect officially liscensed Mariners hats of other colors/styles though. This makes me a douche nag because, even though I am sporting the logo and spending about $35 dollars a hat, I am a douchebag because it’s not their official colors. Fuck that noise. My 12 Mariners hats supported the team by giving them money and by wearing their logo.

Kirk - October 21, 2010 via mobile reply

Amen brother!

Preach it

I didn't see douchebag anywhere in his comment Kirk.

He also didn’t say he was using logic. He was stating a preference.

When I first meet him I would see him wearing these hats and so I rather publicly called him a douchebag on LL and a few other members started to follow suit.

Robert - October 22, 2010 reply

Well I wear a dark green Mariner hat because I wish that was one

of their colors. I would never wear plaid, red, black, teal, pink or many other varieties because I think they look awful. It is just my personal preference.

I honestly do not care what other people wear, but I do dislike this decision for the two reasons I have already stated. I hate teal and it feels like a ploy to pull at the heartstrings of the casual fan.

Like the million different baseball hat variants

tootthekazoo - October 21, 2010 reply

No way, those neon green jerseys were amazing.

I just wish my Josh Wilson neon was still current >:(

Fred Meyer had a ton on sale a few weeks ago I think, like around $30 or so, don't know if they still do.

Those are screen printed though, instead of the actual hard numbers. The "painted on" ones chip away too easily.

Well true, they are also the ones one rung under the Reebok "replicas", but you can't beat the value, I got me a Housh jersey from there.

I'm sure you could get a neon Housh jersey for about $10 now.

I wish.

Your wish.

I loved Josh Wilson.

I posted this earlier but it was unfinished & this seemed the appropriate topic to finish it with.

It also took longer than I anticipated to finish.

I wish with everything that I have that Wedge would wear this “fashion jersey” opening night.

Wait does "fuck" only refer to premarital sex?

I thought it was all sex.

Actually by its technical definition I believe it is rape.

Aaron Campeau - October 21, 2010 reply

What?!

Okay, I just looked it up; dictionary.com applies the modifier “promiscuous” in a total of one out of about twenty definitions, and nowhere does it mention lack of consent. I am led to believe that my initial thoughts on the word were correct.

No no no, it just means to have sex with.

And it’s always meant some variation of copulate, even when it was in other languages. But because it’s a derogatory word, it is more closely associated with negative sexual interactions. As far as I can tell and have read, it still just means sex. There is a whole book on it apparently, but I haven’t checked it out.

CapSea - October 22, 2010 reply

It was simply meant as a seemingly more derogatory statement than that which MB himself wore in reference to EW.

If you were to dive into the statement as a whole and research the origin, discussing it here would not be appropriate.

Due to the reasoning behind adding “Premaritally” to the statement in fact being seen as more derogatory than Bradley’s original statement of “Fuck Eric Wedge”.

Society over time has let go of it’s grip on perceived immoralities based on certain groups views. I do think though that it is within reason to assume that society still sees the word “Premarital” as a degradation of the act of intercourse, thus making premarital copulation viewed as socially worse than copulation in and of itself .

Note that, I do not care one way or the other.

I merely found it a more amusing way to photoshop a fictional (shirted) response to Milton’s apparent view of his old Manager that has now become his apparent last hope at baseball redemption.

DHforHOF - October 22, 2010 reply

Reply fail.

The above post was intended as a general statement as to why I chose the wording I did. It was not aimed at CapSea’s response to Runningfool.

Apologies.

DHforHOF - October 22, 2010 reply

Snopes tells me I am a retarded

Aaron Campeau - October 22, 2010 reply

It's origin is actually unknown.

Those that have spent years studying it’s origin have general (and one would assume mostly accurate) ideas of where it came from but, no one truly knows for certain.

In English though, in my mind it is the single greatest word in any dictionary. While it is still viewed as socially unacceptable in America & many other countries, in common place settings it can be used in any sentence ever conceived. It can be viewed as any emotion on earth if placed correctly in the statement or sentence.

Think of how many times the word Fuck has been typed into one of these boxes here at LL during a Mariners game alone. I am sure it’s in the tens of thousands. In many cases it was intended to have a slightly different meaning than the person just before meant when they typed it, even if in response to the same play.

All depending on what word sat before or after it.

The word in its most literal meaning, refers to the act of sexual intercourse. I have never read anything on it that might suggest that it once meant “With out Consent” or “Rape”. Most dictionaries reference Germanic when giving an etymology for the word, all of which relate to intercourse, a prelude to intercourse or the essential equipment necessary to have intercourse.

Personally I use it abundantly while being entertained by the sports teams I follow, normally in reference to their lack of talent, some specifically amazing play or the officiating seemingly favoring the opponent at the time.

DHforHOF - October 22, 2010 reply

Wait, are they getting rid of the dark ones in favor of teal?

I thought it was teal AND dark. God, this is assy.

Maybe it’s a good time to get a deal on a dark jersey.

Smegmalicious - October 21, 2010 reply

No I don't think they are, the dark ones are going to be road alternates I think.

I like the teal hats. Not so much the uniforms, but they're ok.

SeaKoala - October 21, 2010 reply

I think the teal will complement Jack Wilson's face very nicely.

MT Olson - October 21, 2010 reply

Complement is when opposites help each other out.

Ugly cannot complement ugly.

Its hard for me to be passionate about a uniform being worn for 8% of the games.

Its only about 13 games a year. If I had to pick, I would be in favor of the teal since change every for only a day is good once in a while.

LeftArrow2 - October 21, 2010 reply

I hate the teal more than anything else this team has worn ever.

I would literally rather they play naked or wrapped in cellophane or, I don’t know, on fire than in that horrid awful 1990’s throwback crap.

At least the Trident was classy and different. Now our logo is generic and stupid.

Smegmalicious - October 21, 2010 reply

The current logo is great.

Eyeball Kid - October 21, 2010 reply

If you're a huge Safeway fan

And if you’re a fan of a generic logo. I like the compass element of it, but the trident was just so classic.

Smegmalicious - October 21, 2010 reply

I don't get how it's generic? It reflects our team name fairly well.

The trident seems dated now but maybe that’s just because they stopped using it 20 years ago.

Mariner John - October 21, 2010 reply

The trident looks kinda like butt now. If we ever go back to the trident, I want it updated to make it look less like Disco still rules the land.

joof - October 21, 2010 reply

I don't give a shit if they turn the team colors into pink and diarrhea. Just hit some god damn home runs.

Kenneth Arthur - October 21, 2010 reply

I'm more opposed to the ZOMG 1995 reasoning than I am to the colour.

Eyeball Kid - October 21, 2010 reply

I don't think that's the reasoning. The players and fans reacted positively to them wearing them this year, so they're back.

You can nit-pick why fans reacted positively, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were received well.

No offense to you, but I have been a fan of this team for 30 years.

They have been beating us over the head for the last 15 years with one season. I do not expect you to feel annoyed as much as those of us who have been through that.