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Brendan Ryan, Seattle Mariner

Point #1: don't worry about Maikel Cleto, who's going to St. Louis. Cleto's only 21, and he has a big arm, but he's miles and miles away and his future - if he has one - almost certainly lies in the bullpen. This isn't a trade the Mariners are going to regret because of what they gave up.

Point #2: as many of you have already figured out, yes, Brendan Ryan starred in the best baseball commercial in baseball commercial history. While, by and large, mustache jokes aren't funny anymore due to overuse and limited creativity, the Ryan ad lives on as the pinnacle of the genre.

Point #3: the 28-year-old Ryan had a miserable 2010 season. He also has a career .658 OPS, while the league-average shortstop hovers around .700. Given Ryan's defensive expertise, it's fairly safe to say that he projects as league average for his position.

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This last point is important. It would be easy to look at Ryan's 2010 numbers and conclude that the Mariners didn't actually get any better, but that would be inaccurate. At the same time, the fact that the Mariners just lost 101 games causes us to overreact to good news, and nothing about this trade is genius or brilliant. The Mariners gave up a long-shot prospect for a decent player the Cardinals didn't want. That's all. Brendan Ryan is a decent player, and everything that being a decent player involves.

The thing that stands out the most about Brendan Ryan is his defense. Not only is he capable of playing second, short, and third - he's regarded as one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball. I've little choice but to mention that he's reliably posted an excellent UZR, but for those of you who don't care for the metric, Ryan has also scored very well in the Fan Scouting Report, and real scouts - professional scouts - love him as well. Brendan Ryan's a very good defensive infielder. That isn't a controversial statement. He has good hands, instincts, and range, and he's the kind of defender you notice for all the right reasons.

But, okay - the Mariners traded for an awesome defensive shortstop from the NL Central before, and he's just been a pile of crap. Ryan, though, isn't Jack Wilson. At the time of the trade, Wilson was 31 going on 60. Ryan doesn't have Wilson's track record of lower body injuries. He's young, and while his style of play can cause him to get banged up, he doesn't have Wilson's potential to disappear for weeks or months at a time. This isn't the same kind of deal.

So Ryan's defense is great. His health isn't a real concern. He is, additionally, a fairly good baserunner, as you'd expect. What that leaves us with is his bat. A bat that has posted two season OPS figures in the mid-.700s, and two season OPS figures in the high-.500s. What should we expect?

As a number of people have pointed out, Ryan was bothered by his wrist during the 2010 season, but says now that his wrist feels terrific. It's easy to imagine how a sore wrist could be bad news for a hitter, and while Ryan was able to pull the ball just as often in 2010 as he did in 2009, his results were a lot worse, hinting at reduced bat speed or control. A healthy wrist should pull his numbers back up a fair bit.

But it's not like Ryan is another Ichiro waiting to blossom. He doesn't have any power, and might hit two or three home runs. He doesn't have exceptional discipline, and he doesn't have an exceptional ability to make contact. You look at his career batting line of .259/.314/.344 and that seems about right. He's a slap-hitting middle infielder. You can only ask for so much.

So Ryan's a low-ceiling guy at the plate and a high-ceiling guy in the field. What makes him rather handy is that he fills a need. He only turns 29 next March, and has three remaining years of team control. He's more reliable than Jack Wilson, he's a better defender than Josh Wilson, and he's more predictable than Luis Rodriguez. He makes for a great fit for this particular roster, because he can keep second base warm until Dustin Ackley's service time-related promotion delay is up, and then he can either become a super-sub or just flat out take over at short if Jack isn't getting the job done. He's like everything Josh Wilson is, only better, which makes him an improvement, which makes him neat.

That Ryan won't hit very much will keep him from being a star. People will like him, though, because he looks good in a uniform, and he's always moving at least 12 of his muscles, and he has a bit of personality. And, of course, he'll help a bit on the field. So this is an across-the-board good move. Many thanks to the St. Louis hustling white middle infielder factory for being willing to help us out.

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Solid move.

Pretty much anything would be a step up from our shortstops last year.

Ah, unless the idea is to play him at second.

But at this point Jack Wilson has to be expected to miss sometime next season, in which case Ryan can play short.

I like these kinds of moves.

Low-risk, interesting, and potentially very useful.

I would've been fine if the Mariners traded for him solely based on that commercial.
I see it like this:

[Jack Z busts into the interns’ office with a huge box full of VHS tapes]

Jack: We need a number two starter. I need you guys to watch all of these MLB commercials and get back to me the top 10 funniest spots with #2 or #3 guys with at least +1 run difference between their ERA and their FIP on cost controlled contracts for the next two years. Highlight any guys who play for the Mets, Royals, Pirates or Cubs.

Interns: blank stares

Jack: I’ll need that by 9am.

I knew I loved the statstical revolution.
A comparison

Brendan Ryan (career): 6.6 BB%, 13.7 K%, .085 ISO, .292 BABIP, .294 wOBA, 11.4 UZR/150 at SS

Elvis Andrus (career): 8.6 BB%, 16.2 K%, .067 ISO, .312 BABIP, .309 wOBA, 6.7 UZR/150 at SS

Brendan Ryan is pretty much Elvis Andrus. And Elvis Andrus plays half of his games in an extreme hitter’s park. If I told you we just traded Maikel Cleto for Elvis Andrus, you’d be doing cartwheels. This is a good trade.

Sort of...

Other than the park about him being 21 years old and stealing 35 bases a year.

Well, yeah, of course

But there’s not a lot of room for Andrus to grow into more power when he pounds the ball into the ground nearly 60% of the time. Andrus obviously has more upside, but their skillsets are very similar. They both pound the ball into the ground and rely on their defense to give their teams value. I guess that’s more of a negative on Andrus than it is praise for Ryan, but the point is that we’re getting great value for what is ultimately not an amazing prospect.

And at the risk of nitpicking, Andrus is 22 going into 2011.
Ryan mentioned wanting to try to run more. And that STL didn't allow him to steal bases.
We just traded for Hanley Ramirez!
The 20 pts in BABIP is kind of a big deal. One of these guys will have a high average and the other won't
Is it really that big of a deal?

Not that Andrus and Ryan are that similar but 20 points in BABIP isn’t that significant I don’t think.

Based on that commercial

This guy might be our “good guy” replacement for RRS

The NL Central giveth, the NL Central taketh away.
I'm on board for this idea.
Somewhere, Josh Wilson said a naughty word
Oh fiddlesticks.
Gooeyduck
*Geoduck

I don’t live in Seattle either. Be ashamed…

Vegetarian.

So I am exempt from shame.

Geoducks are better for spelling and pronouncing than they are for eating.
Next you're going to tell me the main character of the Matrix isn't named Nooey.
You took the blue pill, didn't you?
Best sleep ever.
Seeing as how the Geoduck is the Evergreen State College's mascot this is reallly no excuse
I could start on why I think that school is terrible but I am not sure who I would offend.
Me
Great school. One of the best, really.
Hey man, we've got an undefeated football team.

What division? The Mighty Mite League? LOL

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

Hey man, please use a subject line in all future posts. It is greatly appreciated by the mods and the fellow readers here.
no worries

No worries mate, I’ll do my best to comply

Horsepuckey!
This is the first time that I've encountered this word and my dad hasn't been the source.
The product of watching a lot of M*A*S*H as a child.
I think Colonel Potter says horse hockey, not puckey...

God this subthread is making me look like a dick.

No, this is important.

He clearly says “horse hockey.”

Well shit, where the hell did I learn that then?
I also need to know where my dad picked this up.
Yes!!

I couldn’t remember if it was Ryan or Skip Schumacher who did the spinning mustache. I’m excited, If he could have a year like he did in 2009 I will do a happy dance.

I bet his commercial for the Mariners will have something to do with him cock blocking Josh Wilson

in a variety of wholesome ways.

More awesome is that the Cardinals loved Ryan

And now that we have him, they’re pissed. We rule.

Well, their fans did

The FO and field management, not so much.

A Figgins-Wilson-Ryan infield is still not going to hit much.

But our infield defense should be pretty great, assuming Figgins’s goes back to being the glove he has been in the past at 3rd.

With Ichiro, Guti, Figgins, Wilson and Ryan, the team is running out five high-caliber defenders.

And with no Rob Johnson, there’s no Rob Johnson!

The downside to there being no Rob Johnson is that there WILL BE Miguel Olivo.

But I’m not really too upset about that. Our catchers have been bad for such a long time, I’m numb to it.

Wow, either the SBNation site for the Cardnials is huge, or they're really pissed.

This post on their site has 825+ comments.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/12/12/1871682/brendan-ryan-traded-to-mariners

They even did a parody of "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch"

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/12/12/1871682/brendan-ryan-traded-to-mariners#54269241

I think that came out a little cluttered.

Link

I like it when fans of the team we just dealt with are this pissed.
They called us douchebags and Matthew a killjoy. >:(

I hope Ryan kicks ass here.

I'm a killjoy for trying to get people to stop being killjoys?

You cannot win on the internets

You're doing it right now.
Dr. Matthew Killingjoy
Was this reference in to something specific?

Or just the general fact that Matthew is the world’s largest killjoy?

Wow. They really liked this guy.

Your link led me to some interesting pieces they had on Ryan’s swing: here and here from May and August of last season, respectively.

It’ll be interesting to watch and see if the Mariners change his approach or adjust his swing at all.

It's possible.

The M’s went pretty heavy on video scouting a while back, so if they noticed it they might try to correct it.

Can't decide which is better ...

“He’s better than Dave Cameron. At least he sticks by his beliefs” or “seattle is a mexican food wasteland”

I like the discussion on whether it was Deon Branch or Deon Grant that broke his leg at the end of the Seahawk game. :/
I thought it was Sanders...
Well, duh...

Seattle IS a Mexican food wasteland…

Go to White Center
This is correct.
To be fair, of the major international cuisines,

I would concede that Seattle does Mexican second worst of all. We also suck for Italian I find in terms of quantity of decent fooderies

I would not disagree, but there are some very good Mexican restaurants in Seattle.

If White Center counts as Seattle.

There certainly are

just nowhere near as many when compared to thai, vietnamese, korean, etc. Not that I believe there should be, just that I think it’s a reasonable critique

Yeah, it is.

But honestly if I have to pick one over the other, Southeast Asian food wins.

Try La Medusa solid rustic Italian.
I hate to nitpick, but it's technically Sicilian food

Much heavier North African and Middle Eastern influences due to being the most frequently conquered civilization in human history

really when I was there. It was far more Northern Italy. Slow cooked pork, braised greens.

Anyway, not sure this the places for long winded food wars.

Yeah there are only a handful of decent Italian places.

Sadly compared to much of the country our Mediterranean food options are not very good.

Olive Garden is the shit!
Yes, you can get pasta there!

That’s very Italian!

We have good Salvadoran food.
Maybe, but just try to find even half-decent Asian in St. Louis
Solid reminder to appreciate the site rules here.

Only 825? I’ve seen game threads at Viva El Birdos hit 2000 posts, if not more.

I'm sorry, but I find this proposition so outlandish and implausible that I demand a link to prove it.
This is Overflow Thread I (of II)

from Game 112 last year, vs. the Reds after Brandon Phillips called the Cardinals “whiny bitches.” This thread has 1049 comments… Overflow Thread II has 1363 comments.

comments…\http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/8/10/1616603/game-112-overflow

We have had game threads with over 5,000 comments.

We are a feisty bunch when we want to be.

proof

proof or it didnt happen LOL

Please refrain from using chatspeak such as LOL, +1 and the like. We dislike it here.

Also, the subject line should ideally be the start of your comment, not just a copy of the first word(s)

Good low priced move.

A good season at the plate would make things great.

I'm surprised he doesn't get that many infield hits

He is fast right?

I feel like some important insights from this article could get lost.

Hence, I’d like to repeat that mustache jokes aren’t funny anymore due to overuse and limited creativity.

Newradio had my favorite use of the mustache for comedy:

Link

@ 1:00 in
"Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more."

I always forget how much I enjoyed that series.

That was one of the most awesomest under-rated shows of all time

Freakishly funny.

It's still one of my all-time favorite shows.

Although the fifth season suffers a bit from the tragic lack of Phil Hartman. Max Lewis is no Bill McNeal.

The gag with the three women before the credits is wonderful.
It's fun that there continues to be this trickle of little moves
I presume that there is one more trickle to go

Starting pitching depth.

If you find there are more trickles, throughout the day

you should talk to a Dr. about that.
and scene

Like the move

This should mean we get to watch some pretty sweet defense at SS this year. Either Jack Wilson or Ryan should be there all year. Plus we have our 2B situation handled and for low dollars with a player we aren’t obligated to pay for long.

Finally, a move that gets me a little bit excited about next season
After some thought, I'm warming up to the thought of Ryan in the lineup

It really was a no-lose trade.

I mean he couldn’t be any worse (or uglier) than Jack Wilson, and certainly no worse than Josh.

Any of these 3 should be hitting 9th in the lineup however.

And if two are in the game, they should both be hitting 9th
Good insurance for when Jack's eventual stint on the DL

Plus, it gives us a legitimate utility infielder that we can plug in when I guy needs a day off. There seems to be a lot to like about this deal

What do you mean "eventual"?

That presumes it won’t happen for quite a while . . .

He probably means April 15th.
I hope they take it easy on him in Spring Training.

He needs to last at least a couple of weeks into the regular season if they want to save a year of Ackley’s service time.

This trade also gives us the chance to remember how great the Putz/Gutz trade was

We traded Luis Valbuena for Brendan Ryan!

Is that going to become the next Mark Langston deal, where the lineage lasts for 20 years after?
It's already a part of the Langston lineage.

Since Jeremy Reed was involved.

I'm shocked by how alive the lineage still is

A chart

A couple of corrections needed to the chart.

Ezequiel Carrera was traded by the Mariners along with Juan Diaz to the Indians earlier this year for Russell Branyan. Also, Miguel Olivo was actually traded by the Mariners to the Padres for Nathanael Mateo and Miguel Ojeda in 2005. Frankly I’m not sure if we traded Olivo again now that we’ve signed him if that would count on the Langston tree or not. I’m leaning not.

I'd say no as well, because Olivo was reacquired at a later date.

Also, wasn’t there a trade of Carlos Guillen that isn’t on that tree? I don’t know what it affects, however.

Yes, forgot about that one somehow.

Carlos Guillen was traded to the Tigers for Juan Gonzalez (not that one) and Ramon Santiago in January 2004.

I missed those!

Fixed.

I think I’m inclined to agree with you on Miguel Olivo, as well.

The chart seems to be getting a bit crowded...
And you still need to put the Olivo to the Padres trade on there :)

I’m going to be unreasonably sad if that tree ever dies out.

Ezequiel Carrera's last name is misspelled as "Carrara."

Also, I would just make the whole image a bit wider and reshuffle it so it is clear who is delineated from which “parent” player. You should have an infinite amount of space to work with, in theory, so making things easy to read and follow should be the most important thing.

That's a really cool resource by the way. I'm going to bookmark it for when I need it.
I'll probably remake it in something a little more future capable

I’m currently restricted by landscape mode in Word

For now, here's the latest version

Link For some reason, ImageShack doesn’t let me replace images.

Thanks for the continuing feedback — I started just trying to visualize this myself, since everyone always talks about it when a linked trade goes down, but I’m glad at least one other person finds it useful!

Other downside of using Word: all the "spelling mistakes" I ignored again are underlined
I'd correct you on the spelling of Mr. Mateo's first name, if it weren't for the fact that his parents spelled it wrong to begin with.
That chart reminded me of this:

2009 Mariners

So Ryan also links back to the Griffey-to-CIN trade

Griffey > Tomko > Ben Davis > Jeremy Reed > Cleto > Brendan Ryan.

I hope Carrera or Carp is part of some crazy package so this doesn’t trade lineage doesn’t die.

Carrera already got us Russell Branyan.
Should also note, it actually goes back further

since Langston was acquired with the comp pick for Bill Stein, who was on the M’s roster for opening day of their inaugural season.

Technically this trade is part of it.

Langston → Randy → F. Garcia → J. Reed → Cleto → Brendan Ryan

I like him because of his socks.
THEY'RE STIRRUPS!
We need a fancy version

SILVER AND BLUE STIRRUPS!

How about blue and teal?

More team-color-y, less gray-y.

Blue and NORTHWEST GREEN.
Last year, Figgins WAR + Lopez's WAR + J. Wilsons' (both of 'em) WAR = Brendan Ryan's WAR.

Our infield suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.

And the best part is we figured those four to combine for about 8 WAR!

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