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Today In Quotes I Find Kind Of Interesting

This will be a recurring feature, to recur no more often than whenever I feel like it.

(1) Quote the first, from David Aardsma, in an article by Kirby Arnold:

"I’ve grown to really like that mlbtraderumors.com site," Aardsma said. "I find out so much information about everybody – who we’re bringing in, who we’re looking at. So, it’s kind of hard to miss it."

Oftentimes, a player who may soon be on the move will tell the press that he's unaware of the rumors, or not paying attention to them, or what have you. As more and more time goes by, there's more and more reason to call these guys liars. Many of them will see things on the internet. Many of the ones who don't will hear about them anyway from friends and family, who tend to read everything. More than ever before, players generally know what's being written about them in print and online, and that's one of those simple truths that everyone probably ought keep in mind.

(2) The other two quotes come from this article in the NY Post by Brian Costello. Joakim Soria:

[Soria's] no-trade clause reportedly blocks deals with the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Phillies, Cardinals and Cubs.

"I didn't put it there, my agent did, as a strategy," Soria told the newspaper as translated by mlbtraderumors.com.

This is something many have long suspected, but Soria offers some confirmation. Sure, sometimes a player will include a team or two on his no-trade list because he personally doesn't want to play for them. But more often, teams are listed with compensation in mind. We talked about this a little while ago with regard to Felix. Players don't list teams like the Yankees and Red Sox because they don't want to play there; agents list teams like the Yankees and Red Sox because those are the teams most likely to trade for the player, and because those are the teams most able to offer compensation in exchange for the player waiving his no-trade clause.

Contracts are cold, emotionless, and very carefully drawn up. When looking one over, try not to see what isn't there.

(3) And finally, from Dayton Moore:

"We weren't shopping Greinke," Moore said. "I didn't make one call to one club asking them if they had interest in Zack Greinke. It's no different than any other player. Everybody wants good players and it's very common for clubs to pursue other teams' quality players. We don't have any plans to move any of our players unless we get a deal that makes perfect sense."

Again, this is nothing new, but it's nice to hear an explanation from someone inside the game, rather than speculation from someone on the outside looking in. There's a big, big difference between "shopping" and "taking offers for". Every team in baseball is pretty much always taking offers for - or open to taking offers for - anyone and everyone on the roster. And that's because there's no harm in listening.

There's infinite demand for content come rumor season, and the result is that, from time to time, we get a new tweet or article from a journalist saying that Team X is taking offers for Star Player Y. These tweets and articles can provoke a considerable response, but I don't know that they even qualify as rumors. They don't provide any information.

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He seriously picked mlbtraderumors.com?

He’s like the Anti-Hyphen. That makes him instantly unlikeable to me.

MLB Trade Rumors isn't that bad
Its name should be changed to "MLBThingsWritersHaveSaid.com" and it would be a great site.
It's a handy resource as long as you know what to make of the information
And I think that it's name makes people misunderstand its purpose.

People see rumors as things that have a basis in knowledge and truth. Really it’s a site of shit that some people said somewhere. Half of the time the “rumor” is a writer saying so and so is a good fit for x team. MLBTradeRumors picks it up, says “Writer Man Thinks So and So Would Be a Good Fit For Team X” and people don’t read it all the way and assume it is an actual rumor based in fact somewhere, then spread said rumor around.

I use it like wikipedia

A great place to go to find links to real information.

It's not the site's fault that people misinterpret and infer too much from the given information

If someone reads, “Jon Heyman tweets that the Mariners are kicking the tires on Rafael Soriano” as “Jon Heyman tweets that the Mariners are going to sign Rafael Soriano,” then the blame shouldn’t fall on the site. I think if people see rumors as things that are based on fact and truth, then people should look up the definition of rumor in the dictionary.

For what it does, mlbtraderumors.com does it better than any other site on the internet, at least in my estimation.

I never said I blamed the site.
Exactly.

It’s like, say, reading the Weekly World News. When they report that the ghost of Elvis impregnated an Arkansas woman, you take it with a grain of salt because you know Elvis was an alien with no soul and therefore could not come back as a ghost, let alone get an Earth woman pregnant. But if you’re looking for updates on the whereabouts of Bat Boy, there’s no more reliable source than the WWN.

Isn't that thing Bat Man by now?
I think he prefers to go by his given name "Jay" now.

I'm pretty sure that trade rumors means what you wrote up there.

and doesnt sound lame. I don’t see the problem. They do a great job aggregating stories from around the country and the web. If the users read too much into them how can you blame the site? I

Put another way

do you think FanGraphs should call the defensive metrics they publish ‘rough numerical approximations of run prevention’ because people see specific numbers and misuse them?

I actually like MLBTR, and I visit it regularly

it has in many ways replaced Rotoworld for me, and I use it in much the same way. Its a nice one-stop for all of the relevant baseball news for transactions. And with anything that is a rumor or speculation, you always have to read behind the scenes as well as take for granted that most stuff that is rumored won’t end up panning out, not even as much as they are wrong (much of it is speculation, but I feel that they do a good job at labeling speculation article) as that most trade ideas fall through, either because they are just fishing or testing the waters for a player or the price of a player or type of player, or because the two sides just don’t come to agreements.

If you’ve ever tried to, say, trade baseball cards, or magic cards, or hell, even gone on things games like Diablo II and tried trading with people, 90% of those trades negotiations don’t come to anything. Thats what we pick up on for the most part.

tldr; I find a 1 stop place that collects all the links much preferable to going to a dozen different sites all day and combing new articles.

Tim Dierkes seems like a nice guy. He even links to Dave Cameron often.
I think the site would be a good gateway for players to learn about sabermetrics.
I'd much rather the coaches and analysts learn about sabermetrics than the players

Bannister is all about SABR and a whole lot of good it’s done him.

Maybe he'll be a coach someday
And Greinke worked on his FIP during his Cy Young year.
I don't think paying attention to trade rumors involving you can be a good thing.

Or even reading the newspaper or anything like that.

If i were player at risk of being traded I'd be glued to the site.

Its your life and your career. Whether its good or not, you want to know where you will work, how far you will be from your family.

And you also know that they read fansites about the team they're on.

In other words, hi David!

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