The Mariners have been connected to a handful of names so far on a pretty lame Tuesday, but the two most interesting ones, to me, have been Miguel Olivo and Luis Valbuena. And so I will talk about them, because on this website I talk about the Mariners, and the players they have, or may have.
Olivo's name surfaced this morning, and it came as a bit of a shock, as he's played 226 games the last two years and is looking to make a fair bit of money. It's strange to think that the Mariners would be willing to throw some millions of dollars at a 32 year old catcher, and it's stranger still to think that they'd throw those millions at a catcher with one of the worst batting approaches I've ever seen in my life. But Olivo does have some value, and this rumor, combined with the Gregg Zaun rumor, seem to strongly suggest that Rob Johnson is so far out of the organization's current catching picture that he's sitting on a museum bench looking at the picture and muttering wordy critiques to himself to impressive attractive passersby.
One can't help but remember that the Mariners have tried Olivo once before, as he came over from the White Sox in the Freddy Garcia trade. And over 330 trips to the plate, Olivo posted a .218 OBP, which is the lowest in franchise history among 137 guys with 300+ plate appearances. Olivo, in his younger days, was a disaster. But as poor as he was, and as lousy a fit Safeco is for his style, he's posted a .731 OPS over the last five years, only one of which came in Colorado. He has a strong arm and a strong bat, which make him useful.
Don't get me wrong - I don't like the idea of Miguel Olivo. I hate the way he hits, he's getting up there in years, he'll probably cost a fair amount, and he's a righty pull hitter. But then, he's a veteran with power and some defensive skills who'd make Felix happy, and who isn't Rob Johnson. I don't want Miguel Olivo real bad, but I can see the argument.
Later on, in the west coast's mid-afternoon, Shannon Drayer noted that she hears the M's are pursuing Luis Valbuena for their second base hole. This came as a pretty significant departure from what we were expecting - that they'd find some cheap veteran, or perhaps even lean on Josh Wilson and Luis Rodriguez, who are already in-house.
Whether the M's will end up with Valbuena - who is Indians property - we don't know. And, just last season, Valbuena was arguably the worst hitter in the Major Leagues. But this is a guy who held his own the year before at the age of 23, and who's had very good success at the AAA level. Valbuena has clear, if limited, upside.
That the M's are searching for a second baseman implies that they don't think Dustin Ackley will begin the year in Seattle. Which is a good idea for a few reasons, first and foremost being his service time. But Ackley should be up by June or July, at which point the stopgap infielder will be displaced. Were that stopgap infielder to be Valbuena, one option would be that he could become the team's utility guy, or he could even, in theory, move to short, as he's shown good defensive agility in the past. That's possible.
But another possibility would be that, when Ackley comes up, Valbuena could go down to Tacoma, as I believe he has one option year left. With Tacoma, he could continue to develop and improve his stock, becoming either trade bait or a starting candidate for 2012. So there would be a few ways the M's could go. The difference between acquiring a guy like Valbuena and acquiring a guy like, I dunno, Jerry Hairston Jr., is that Valbuena would still kind of count as a prospect, which is more in line with what an organization like the Mariners needs.
The Mariners haven't made any moves yet on Tuesday, but at the very least, they've given us something to think about. Which, in some ways, is kind of the same thing.
45 comments
Luis could play 3rd as well.
If Figglet was traded.
Scruffy Lefty - December 7, 2010
fixed:
westbrook - December 7, 2010
Wow you guys really dislike him.
Would you take a really snazzy christmas tree ornament for him?
the other side - December 7, 2010
I kinda like Valbuena, actually, if the price is right.
But this sentiment may largely be born of a desire to see anything that isn’t stupid happen.
philosofool - December 7, 2010
I can't believe you actually convinced me that Olivo AND Valbuena might actually be alright pickups.
If the price is right I’m actually on board.
Zwakamatsu - December 7, 2010
As a long-time Valbuena supporter, I'd be down with this.
LH bat, and he’s played every position on the field at least once in his career (all in one game in the VSL)
JY - December 7, 2010
No thank you, we already have a Leury Bonilla.
ThomasG - December 8, 2010
But this one's left-handed!
JY - December 8, 2010
realistically, a one year contract for anyone is fine
2011 is just a dog and pony show designed for damage control. Just don’t impact payroll flexibility in 2012-beyond.
Michael Barr - December 7, 2010
Well, sure, 2011 will be marketed to suckers as an "anything can happen" year,
but I want to see those dogs and ponies, provided they’re young. I think it’d be nice to find out which ones will turn into wolves and thoroughbreds, and which ones will turn into poodles and Shitland ponies.
fiftyone - December 7, 2010 via mobile
the view from LGT
We’ve always liked Valbuena — I loved the trade at the time — but he’s pretty consistently astonished us with bad numbers. We keep waiting for his luck to even out or for some big adjustment, since he seems to have a great line-drive swing, but it hasn’t happened yet. Having said that, if the Indians trade him, it won’t necessary be because the front office has given up on him as much as because we suddenly have a glut of nice 2B prospects in Triple-A.
Jay - December 7, 2010
Thanks for that.
fiftyone - December 7, 2010 via mobile
No to Olivo, please!
Dave Cameron summed it up well.
About Valbuena, I remember little about him and I wonder what his work ethic is like? If he’s a hard worker I’m for it (and I do have a vague favorable memory of this). If he’s lazy or nonsmart, no thank you. We had enough trouble before with such guys.
But I think I did like him when he was here. He had a nice glove, no?
And I wish GMZ would get on the ball about the DH. I think we need to get Matsui or Vlad.
(The fucking A’s better not be blocking us again).
NeighborTom2 - December 7, 2010
I'd rather watch Olivio than Roborob
Still, meh.
appleshampoo - December 7, 2010
I don't think you have to worry about watching much of Rob Johnson next year.
The team seems to be set on Adam Moore and any number of veteran catchers out on the market for 2011.
KC Mariner - December 8, 2010
If we are looking into Miguel Olivo then we might as well give Ben Davis a call too....
Fuck Miguel Olivo. I’m happy he had to lose a lot when he was with the Royals and then went to the NL so I didn’t have to watch him play.
Edgar for Pres - December 7, 2010
Ben Davis is a pitcher now
LInky.
Matt Erickson - December 7, 2010
Mark Christopher "Ben" Davis
Where the hell did he get Ben from?
thehemogoblin - December 8, 2010
An uncle, I think
msb - December 8, 2010
Heck, no just bring back Jojima
We’ve got a lot of failed catcher experiments in our history, don’t we?
New England Fan - December 8, 2010
Steve Yeager!
KC Mariner - December 8, 2010
Orlando Mercado!
eponymous_coward - December 8, 2010
Raul Ibanez?
JY - December 8, 2010
I forgot Raul was a catcher, good call.
KC Mariner - December 8, 2010
Bob Kearney!
KC Mariner - December 8, 2010
But I will say Dan Wilson was pretty good!
New England Fan - December 8, 2010
Yeah, remember Polly Water?
That guy sucked.
ThomasG - December 8, 2010
That was a bad science joke.
ThomasG - December 8, 2010
As was that.
ThomasG - December 8, 2010
I loved him
seattlebruin - December 8, 2010
Can't say I share your level of enthusiasm for the guy
But I liked him and thought he was a pretty decent catcher. Better than anyone we’ve had since Wilson.
nathaniel dawson - December 8, 2010
Johjima was a failed catching prospect?
This does not compute.
harkening - December 8, 2010
I read it as two separate statements.
thehemogoblin - December 8, 2010
Just say no to Olivo.
Goose - December 8, 2010
Isn't this what they said about Ronny Cedeno?
“Sure, he’s mostly sucked in the bigs, but he’s shown occasional flashes, and just look at that AAA track record!”
I realize it’s not rational to judge Valbuena based on a sample size of one player, and there are good reasons to trust minor league performance as a predictor. I wouldn’t mind giving him a shot if it’s a true buy-low opportunity.
Suburban Shocker - December 8, 2010
NO-Livo
Rob Johnson makes Felix happy and won’t cost the team anything. If we’re going to put a not-very-good catcher behind the plate as a backup, why not just stick with the incredibly inexpensive internal option? I can’t stand Rob, but I think he makes more sense for this team than Olivo would.
tootthekazoo - December 8, 2010
Olivo is not bad
Jeff Sullivan - December 8, 2010
And Olivo makes Felix happy, too, per Drayer.
msb - December 8, 2010
Olivo is not bad when he doesn't have to hit in Safeco
Fixed Jeff’s post
New England Fan - December 8, 2010
Maybe he just left a bad taste in my mouth
But what kind of money is he going to command? Is it enough to justify giving to a backup and would the impact of Olivo over Rob Johnson actually matter considering that they’d both be backups to Moore?
tootthekazoo - December 8, 2010
He wouldn't sign here as a backup
He’d probably look to start 90 or 100 games.
Jeff Sullivan - December 8, 2010
That's what I'm getting at though
Would we rather pay him a few million to be the main starter or spend the cash elsewhere and have Adam Moore carry the workload?
tootthekazoo - December 8, 2010
Depends on what he costs
but it’s worth considering that Adam Moore needs a lot of help and probably isn’t ready to shoulder a major load.
Jeff Sullivan - December 8, 2010
Man our team sucks
tootthekazoo - December 8, 2010
I hate the Olivo idea
Poochie - December 8, 2010
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