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Jim Bowden Talks To Theo Epstein, Jon Daniels, Dayton Moore, Justin Upton, Kevin Goldstein, And One David Cameron

I don't think I'll ever stop watching this. To hell with you, beautiful afternoon.

<br/><a href="http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=foxsports&vid=25789e2d-f44b-452b-a90d-86baa273c81e" mce_href="http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=foxsports&vid=25789e2d-f44b-452b-a90d-86baa273c81e" target="_new" title="GM's Corner: Week 3">Video: GM's Corner: Week 3</a>

Minaya: Hey Jim, I wanted to ask you about Brian Schneider.
Bowden: Schneider? I barely know her!
Minaya: I've got this Milledge guy, think he could be a big-time player.
Bowden: That's what she said!
Minaya: He's still developing, he's not a finished product, but he's developing into something special.
Bowden: I've got something special developing right here.
Bowden: :gestures to crotch:
Minaya: Maybe throw in Ryan Church? Milledge for Schneider and Church? Do you think we could swing that?
Bowden: Yeah, I think we could swing that.
Minaya:
Bowden:
Minaya:
Bowden:
In bed

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Does anyone know who that .... talented ... hostess is?
Those are some big talents.
Wilder posted an amusing screen capture in the fanshot E.M. put up.
I think it's his fiance/wife

According to Deadspin, her name is Joy Browning, but I think she goes by Joy Jolise.

Bidding on another outfielder?

She’s also been photographed with Pat Sajack & Snoop Dogg…

This actually makes it less creepy which annoys me
Yeah, same now that I think about it

Shit

Definitely her,

@purejoyinc
go to www.foxsports.com click on GM’s Corner (lunch w/ benefits) I’m guest starring ;)

The account is now gone.

This could have been the last tweet.

I think you're right
I bet he got a kick out of the fact that his auction sign started with "69"
All kinds of stupid Wheel of Fortune jokes, jesus
Fiance?

Given the other pictures, I’m feeling “escort.”

Here I thought she was doing it for the 300$ appearance fee. Instead she is doing it out of ... "love"?
And how did Bowden not mention Fister?
God bless America/FOX
Jim Bowden is the gift that keeps on giving.
Jim Bowden's career arc is identical to that of Yuni's
8:40 - 9:00 HAHAHA
Oh have you not gotten to last 5 seconds yet
YES!
Wow. Just... wow.
I just saw the last few seconds also.

I have no words.

I want to rec this so many times
I watched this, but I'm not exactly sure what I saw.

Will watching it again help?

I always picture Bowden as John Daly

And this needed more Dave Cameron.

"GMs After Dark"
Did he just ask what OPS was?

And why does this look like it was produced by college kids?

Seriously what the fuck.
It almost looks like a parody, the production is so bad.
And the pervy cut scenes with that lady only make it more surreal.
Plus the inclusion of Jim Bowden.
HE HAS BEEN TWICE EMPLOYED AS A MAJOR LEAGUE GM.
I genuinely don't understand why those scenes exist. It can't be for some weird "sex appeal" reason, because she's repellent
They seem excessively un needed, yea
She is attractive, just annoying.

Guys are dumb, remember. We can ignore annoying.

I’m not saying they were needed though.

Fox
I didn't think she was that attractive
Is it just me or does Dave Cameron look like a young Jack Zduriencik?

Bowden: “Do you follow any of the Fangraphs.com, Baseball Prospectus kind of stats?”
Justin Upton: "I think that stuff’s crazy to be honest with you. "

Bowden: The stat heads have you at a $20M preformance last year.
Justin Upton: Me likey!

I have always had a hard time with certain curse words.

But now I know when I call someone an “asshole” I will be thinking of Bowden in that video. WOW.

Dayton Moore likes to score runs.
Slow down dave.
HA!

I was thinking the same thing.
What’s up with the blonde chick? That seems unnecessary….

But her stats give him joy!
I really doubt that for some reason.
Is this the knob gag I hope it is?
He talked like they gave him a time limit.
No, that's pretty much how he always talk, if you hear him on the radio and Fangraphs Audio.
Daniels looks waaay too young to be a GM.
Also way too high.
and way too much like Zach Braff
Zach Braff and Ray Ramano's love child.
That's a good thing

Zach Braff is the best

I'd like him more if he weren't a one-trick pony. It was great while it lasted.

Maybe they’ll cast a movie in ten years with him, Michael Cera, Lisa Kudrow, Hugh Grant, Nicholas Cage, Matthew Perry, Justin Long, Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, etc.

Big Vin Diesel doesn't belong on the same list as those schmucks!
Mo Vaughn had more range than Vin.
Jack Nicholson.
Die in a fire
That would be the title.
I'll have a screenplay mocked up by tomorrow.

It features an awkward boy, a dizzy girl, an foppish limey, a failure, a yuppie, a nice guy, a tough guy, I don’t know who Paul Walker is, and an irascible old man.

I'm hoping that they all wander into a large building, Grant bandies about for a bit, the building catches on fire, and they perish. Roll credits.
Yeah, I won't say he's anything special outside of Scrubs

But he was so perfect as JD, and JD was an amazing character

Yeah for some reason I was thinking he was an old one
He broke the record for...

…youngest GM ever when hired. Oddly enough, he seems like a better public speaker now than he was when he got hired.

Bahahahaha

“But these stats give me joy” haahahhaa

Is it important for players to really understand any stats?

Stats are vital for the front office, scouts, and coaches.
Stats are important for fans and the media to have some understand of what is going on.
But even counting stats seem like they should be an after thought to active players.

If you are taking a test. You worry about getting this question right. You are not thinking about how your grade for the test/class is getting better/worse with each question.

Yes it's important.

Like any job, you want to know what your employer is looking for. If you know what the stats mean, and what stats your club likes, you can focus on improving those stats.

But in a case like Betancourt. You would want to ride your batting average and scouting report to a payday.

Not advanced metrics.

True. If you suck. Is it really helpful to find out there are 10 different ways you suck?

How much is any of this controllable by the player?

To be fair, he did get Dayton Moore to trade for him
He doesn't have to

use them in an arbitration hearing. At least the bad ones. There may be some advanced stats out there by which Yuni doesn’t suck. Maybe.

Fair enough.

I have never really known what others thought on the subject.

If it was me personally. I would love to have all the info available to me.

In hopes that I could improve.

Or at least in the hopes of winning your arbitration case.
Basically, to anyone who swings away because hits matter, not walks

It lets them know they should stop being quite so stupid.

Absolutely.

The players of all people shouldn’t be left out in the dark. Knowing something as simple as their BABIP can help them to understand why they might be struggling at present.

It might be a guy actually.
This is so bad.

After seeing the finished product, I wonder if the contributors would be happy to come on his show again. All the sexual innuendo is just stupid and embarrassing.

I thought Dayton Moore would be there so they can make fun of him.
The last minute or so was genius.

It’s like parody, but without the self-awareness.

Justin Upton reminds me of Dave Chappelle
I thought we had gotten beyond this
Rumor has it some non-white people do, in fact, look or sound alike
I apologize for my racialism
This is really a nitpick in this Dali of baseball videos

but does VORP really measure defense?

Does anyone actually use VORP anymore?
No

which adds to the beauty of this thing

This is only giving me further reason never to give any of my money to BP.
Dayton Moore uses runs scored.
And numbers to justify their moves.
That was probably my favorite line.
VORP adjusts for position, but not skill.

So you get credit for being a shortstop, but it doesn’t factor in how you compare to other shortstops.

Dayton Moore on stats vs. scouts: "At the end of the day I'm going with the scouts"

As he says this, a little factoid pops up on the bottom of the screen:

[2009: 65-97 Record]

"At the end of the day"!!!!
I am surprised they did not have Bowden rap during the introduction
Such a bizarre video.
Jim Bowden is awesome.
Jesus fuck.

Also, hahahaha Dayton Moore.

Jim Bowden must have produced this show as well...
It's somewhat fitting that Moore's connection is horrible.
What. The. Fuck.

Well great. Now I think Jim Bowden is an idiot AND an old, lecherous pervert.

Well great. Now I know Jim Bowden is an idiot AND an old, lecherous pervert.
"These stats give me joy"

He was looking at her boobies…

I may steal this from you.
Unless that was in the video, in which case, ew.

Haven’t been able to watch yet.

Prepare to be creeped out.
I have this belief that you, having not seen the video, might think of this as some subtle thing.

Like, being a creeper, Bowden glanced at the girls ta-tas and the camera just happened to catch it.

And then you’ll watch the video and fall over laughing when you see the reality of the situation.

How could you possibly laugh

At talents like those?

In all seriousness, Bowden displayed some serious acting talent. Pr0n level acting. That was Sex Trek 3: The Wrath of Bob quality right there.

He didn't glance.

It was more of a stare.

I would actually put it more towards the "leer" end of the spectrum
Yeah he sort of copped a feel

with his eyes

I think it was setup that way, which makes it worse.
The way he was looking at her "stats" made me think he wanted to Funk Blast em!
God DAMN son. You're on a roll. Maybe you should take a celebratory beer bong.
Definitely a setup. Really tacky.
I never said it was less tacky. Just that it was setup.
I am torn between prurient curiosity and horror at the thought of GM's Corner nos. 1 & 2.
Uhh.. Wow. I apparently didn't watch the last 15 seconds or so the first time I saw this..

What. The. Fuck.

The second time through, it's better when just listening to it and not watching.

Dayton Moore is funny any way you slice it, unless you’re a KC fan.

Agreed

Watching it was painful. Just listening was much better.

That is the best baseball video ever made.

It’s amazing how much to talk about there is from just 12 minutes of viewing. I think the best part is where Dayton Moore blatantly lies to America by claiming he likes OBP.

OH SHIT MY BRAIN
I can't think of anything to add other than noting how facinatingly entertaining this was.
I really, really wish I had speakers on my work computer

I hate having to wait until I get home to listen to this, as I’m sure that it is amazing

It might actually be better without sound
My computer here can hardly handle having a thread open on this site

Is there a mobile link available? I’m on Foxsport’s website on my phone, but don’t see this GM’s corner anywhere (just ones from earlier in the month)

Though I have not watched it with sound yet

You may be right about it being good without sound

AHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHA
I think this would be ten times funnier if that were Bowden's wife.
100 times funnier if it was his daughter!
This is one disturbing statement.
I haven't seen blatant objectifying of women in this way

in decades! Or not without it being a joke. Seriously, I’m so glad this video has come into my life. I feel bad for Dave though, because he was making serious points and all Bowden can do is say “XYZ SHFSM WYAL” or whatever.

And now I know what Blaxploitation mixed with baseball would look like.
I wish I knew how to make GIF's

I'm glad you don't know how.

If that moved my head would explode.

Is he hugging himself or doing the gangsta pose?
Gangsta pose, after saying "Let's break it down"
And calling Theo Epstein, Dave Dombrowski, and Dayton Moore his "GM Posse"
Where in the video is this I can't find it
Different video

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/gm-corner

It’s from the “Big market GMs” video below.

That's the B Boy stance.
This is a really weird video
Really? The Roberto Kelly trade was his worst trade?
You're suprised that a man who can't evaluate talent properly

Can’t evaluate talent properly?

Also why did they show a picture of Joe Mauer when Epstein was talking?

This is terrible and thus fantastic.

I was wondering that too
I like the part where Bowden is standing in a field with his arms crossed

But he’s still doing a voice over for some reason

And the camera is rocking and moving back and forth, why?
Is this a step up from the Dan Devone segment?

“STATHEADS!”

(and holy crap is this weird to listen to now given the change in circumstances)

Who are Jeff and Jason??
Jeff Shaw and Jason Churchill (??? on the second one)
That's definitely not Churchill.

Reasonable guess though. Churchill would be talking for one thing. And he’d probably be wearing a hat, because I think I’ve only ever seen him without one once.

I couldn't view the video so I was just guessing.

I should’ve just said Shaw and left it at that.

On the chance you're being serious....

Jeff Shaw and Jason Barker (I think?) are both former authors for USS Mariner.

Jason was one of the co-founders, I think, and Jeff came on later as USSM sort of absorbed Mariners Musings, bringing in Pete White, who then went to grad school and dropped out of the blogging gig.

Ah. I've only been following the blogosphere for about 10 months.

I was being serious though.

I thought as much in this case.

I’m one of the pseudo-historians of it since I’ve been around pretty much since the get-go, with Baseball116 and all that nonsense. There are others that have me beat though, since they remember the usenet days.

Why I remember when that 15 year old whippersnapper Dave Cameron told me I was wrong.
I was thinking of you when I was typing that out.
I was wrong, as a matter of fact.
Thank God we're finally free of New York Vinnie.
You guys have no idea how excited I am to watch this video when I get home
Jim Bowden knows.
I suddenly feel qualified to be a major leage GM

If the Royals can be considered a major leave team.

Ya I spelled League wrong twice

Thats right.

Don't worry your still qualified to be a GM for the Royals!
You're

Sorry but I can’t stand this

"You + Are = You're" used to be my motto for the longest time.
Sorry, I go back to school this spring.

Maybe it will help?

I guees I would be qualified as well...
And that's why you're pimp shit.
Your welcome
No, no, no

That’s wrong!

Hah

Jon Daniels going from the Rangers to the Mets.

The idea had been floated this offseason...

…makes sense, the millisecond JD stops getting flak from the local media for trading Teixeira away without getting enough big league players back (etc, etc), there’s speculation that he’ll leave for the Mets.

did anyone else hear

“Matt Camp” instead of Kemp? I only realized who he meant when Upton mentioned LA. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bowden can’t pronounce half the names in MLB.

At the next Q&A with the front office that needs to be played for everyones enjoyment.

And I am sure Jack Z will have something nice to say about Bowden afterwards.

I can imagine what Bavasi would say.
"We don't base our decisions off of stats or scouts."
"I prefer the Ouija board"
"Jim and I once TP'd Dave Samson's house"
I could only watch a minute and a half.

I am weak.

Nonononono, you have to watch the last 5 seconds. That's where the miracle happens.
a;KJWBRW213 L,.LKJDB;

gaaah DAAAAHHHHH

FUUUUCK

That has to be the most terrible thing ever. EVER.

WHYYYYYYYYY

WHY DOES SHE RANDOMLY SAY SHIT? CHICKS DIG SABERMETRICS? WHAHAHHA:LNK

Dave Cameron apparently uses UZR to pick up chicks.
His poor wife.
God this is like our 2girls1cup
People need to start posting reaction videos on YouTube.
Only with baseball.
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUSLY TERRIBLE

WHO?! HOW? WHY WERE DOLLARS SPENT ON THE PRODUCTION OF THIS?!

WHY ARE THERE TICKERTAPE WOOSHY SOUND EFFECTS FOR THE RIBBON GRAPHIC!?>

For some reason this got me to acutally laugh out loud.
I am going to go drink now.
This was amazing

The random drop in comments by that lady had me rolling

That was no lady ...
This was awesome.

I’m not sure what else to say.

It's funny, because now I feel that Jim Bowden never took anything he did as a GM seriously.
So, this is the greatest thing ever.
Did Moore do his segment on dial-up?
He doesn't believe in advanced technology
These videos may be the most amazing thing I have ever seen.
Why the fuck does he ask Theo Epstein if "Carmine" is hot
because hurr hurr hurr
Just the weirdest fuckin video man
The best part is when he's informed that Carmine is a male name.

I really wanted him to say “no homo” at that moment.

He might as well have
I fully expect Bowden to be talking with Ed Wade and Andy McPhail from the Girls Gone Wild bus in a couple of months.
SPRING BREAK WOOOOOOOO
Though I suppose a more appropriate pair of guest starts would be Steve Phillips and Harold Reynolds.
Or stars. Fuck.
It makes me seriously wonder just how Fox Sports came to decide that Bowden was qualified to host a video series on sabermetrics.

Was it the one playoff appearance a team of his made, in the more than fifteen seasons that he was a GM? Was it his interpersonal relation skills that got him fired from the Reds? The FBI investigation? Did he tell a hilarious “that’s what she said” joke to Ken Rosenthal? I want to know.

It's almost as if they're paying lip service to it so as to appear to be taking it seriously

while really not.

"Is she hot?"

Reminds me of

Must rec this every time I see it.

Who is the wrestler again?

Dear God

Bill Bavasi might have been Bill Bavasi but at least he wasn’t Jim Bowden

I only wish I could watch that for the first time again
How did anybody with any background in professional editing approve this?
Bowden was writer, editor, producer and director.

Oh and head of casting, that’s how.

My favourite thing to come out of the fallout from this:

This introduction of the word ‘Cougar’ to myself.

Stats and cleavage!

That oughta hold those little SOBs.

God, what a bizarre video.

I just watched it for the third time and still have no idea what the fuck is going on.

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