I'd say non-zero chance... but not the most likely outcome.
Any player with tons of injury history after age 30 is a risk to lose buckets of value. Junior’s a pretty decent example of it: he has ONE season where he was pretty good since 2000, and everything else is either “injured” or “too close replacement level for a putative HOFer”.
and one Carlos Silva start is a really small sample to work with. Silva was pretty good for us in his first three starts in 2008 and, well, we all saw where that went.
I don't care if Carlos Silva leads the Cubs to the playoffs*.
There existed no scenario where Silva staying on this team made any sense. Success or failure, I’m just glad ditched that anchor a lot sooner than expected.
(*The chances that Silva leads the Cubs to the playoffs are next to zero)
Don't read those comments. Its where rational discourse goes to die.
It doesn’t help Baker actively encourages some of the trolls under the guise of “sparking some debate.” The fact Mr. X and Pedro Calderon still have accounts despite being notorious liars is an indictment of the board in and of itself.
Personally I am very frustrated by Sweeney and Johnson, not much by their performance but M's stupid moves.
I don’t know how many times I mentioned in here, but I am a huge Garko fan. I never like Rob Johnson from the beginning. I like the part of Sweeney, the fluent Spanish speaker.
I still trust what Wak and GMZ has done and will do. but I am just upset right now
You know, I really wish you'd picked better examples.
Cirillo’s WAR while the Mariners paid his paychecks (2002-2004): .3 WAR (fortunately, his -.5 WAR in 2004 was as a Padre).
Player A’s WAR as a Mariner, 2004-200: -.6
They were really pretty horrible as Mariners (Cirillo was OK in 2002, but sucked mightily in 2003), and if Milton Bradley’s that bad this year… uh-ohs.
2002 and 2003 have earned them my eternal scorn. Especially 2002…20 wins, pfft
2 games – Toronto Blue Jays (78-84)
3 games – Chicago White Sox (81-81)
4 games – Cleveland Indians (74-88)
3 games – Detroit Tigers (55-106)
5 games – Kansas City Royals (62-100)
3 games – Minnesota Twins (94-67)
Fuck Erubiel Durazo!
Even more, they went 2-5 at home, while we went 2-5 on the road.
Anyway, better to get the bad games and weird lineup roster changes out of the way now than later in the season. I think it’s unlikely for Mariners to go on a huge losing streak and take themselves out of contention soon. Later in the season will be the most important and hopefully that is when we have a healthy squad, with all the quirks worked out in this early part of the season.
"Whatever"
I second your apathy.
the other side - April 11, 2010
Fuck Rob Johnson.
I Lick Squirrels - April 11, 2010
I have a feeling he starts tomorrow.
Good Luck Ryan!!
the other side - April 11, 2010
Don't the Dbacks still have Chris Snyder on the market?
Rob doesn’t deserve the title “catcher” and moore needs some time. I think Snyder could help out one multiple fronts.
mariseanerhawk - April 12, 2010 via mobile
Montero just went on the DL.
So my guess is, “no.”
Lucas Cervi - April 12, 2010
I didn't even watch the game, just half-assedly followed it on Fangraphs.
Seems I didn’t miss anything.
Benne - April 11, 2010
According to a post game show caller, Milton Bradley isn't working hard enough because he had a day off
Griffin Cooper - April 11, 2010
I really don't care that Milton is 1-21,
but at how long does this go on before it becomes a bigger issue?
doublemazaa - April 11, 2010
Until he's the only player in the lineup not hitting up to true talent level.
ThundaPC - April 11, 2010
I don't care, you don't care.
Hundreds of other casual fans looking for a scapegoat do care, and then the booing starts.
JY - April 11, 2010
It's Seattle, you people rarely boo. It took a year or two for Sexson to finally
get what he deserved.
Rudy4three - April 11, 2010
That's because Sexson was good his first couple of years.
Wilder. - April 11, 2010
Was he?
Fearless Frog - April 11, 2010
Yes.
BrianL - April 11, 2010
I wasn't being literal in my timetable. It seemed like Sexson had a good run
of poor play before the booing got noticeable
Rudy4three - April 11, 2010
Am I the only one who thinks Bradley will turn out like Wilkerson?
Man, that’s gonna suck if it really happens
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Yeah, you are
Griffin Cooper - April 11, 2010
Good.
I don’t want that to happen ever.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
I'd say non-zero chance... but not the most likely outcome.
Any player with tons of injury history after age 30 is a risk to lose buckets of value. Junior’s a pretty decent example of it: he has ONE season where he was pretty good since 2000, and everything else is either “injured” or “too close replacement level for a putative HOFer”.
But hey, Carlos Silva.
eponymous_coward - April 11, 2010
I am pissed that Silva is doing good right at this moment.
I hate to see Silva becoming a hero in Chicago. I hate them both very much.
Has Bradley been an injury prone? I didn’t think so.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Bradley's been pretty injury prone
and one Carlos Silva start is a really small sample to work with. Silva was pretty good for us in his first three starts in 2008 and, well, we all saw where that went.
BrianL - April 11, 2010
I don't care if Carlos Silva leads the Cubs to the playoffs*.
There existed no scenario where Silva staying on this team made any sense. Success or failure, I’m just glad ditched that anchor a lot sooner than expected.
(*The chances that Silva leads the Cubs to the playoffs are next to zero)
ThundaPC - April 11, 2010
Are you referring to 2007?
Although he was hurt for part of each year, he was great in 2001 and 2005 as well.
katal - April 11, 2010
Is he going to be a HOFer?
It sounded like eponymous coward didn’t think Griffey will be nominated to be in Cooperstown.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
I really can't read "whatever" and not hear John Lackey's voice.
DrunkAmerican - April 11, 2010
Whateva!
JAH - April 11, 2010
I regret prompting this picture.
DrunkAmerican - April 11, 2010
I just can't believe all the people already throwing in the towel and saying it's 2008 all over again.
One week and apparently Jack Z is as bad as Bavasi. Knew there was a reason I don’t look at the Times’ comments.
Hopefulmsfan - April 11, 2010
I don't think most people here are throwing in the towel
But it’s pretty damn frustrating.
phil333 - April 11, 2010
I know not here.
I tried to clarify it’s mostly on Baker’s blog.
Hopefulmsfan - April 11, 2010
Don't read those comments. Its where rational discourse goes to die.
It doesn’t help Baker actively encourages some of the trolls under the guise of “sparking some debate.” The fact Mr. X and Pedro Calderon still have accounts despite being notorious liars is an indictment of the board in and of itself.
JAH - April 11, 2010
Alot of people are here too
I’m sure a bunch are bandwagon fans, but still…
Mariners116 - April 11, 2010
I think you would be hard pressed to find a somewhat intelligent reader of LL that has thrown in the towel.
Zwakamatsu - April 11, 2010
I'd be pretty upset if the season was going to be like this after 7 games.
eponymous_coward - April 11, 2010
Heh.
Fearless Frog - April 11, 2010
How did he get 700 points by killing himself?
philkid3 - April 11, 2010
Well he actually only got 600 for the death
He had 100 when he jumped, and ended up with 700. It is very important that we clear this up.
evanr - April 12, 2010
Thank you.
It definitely makes sense now.
philkid3 - April 12, 2010
What is that figure, a dog?
Seriously, what is it?
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Scrappy the Scapegoat Dog.
Big feature a couple years ago.
Two Rs and Two Ls - April 11, 2010
Explanation
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2007/4/19/1272/88043
Further explanation: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/9/14/614449/scrappy-the-scapegoat-s-pr
eponymous_coward - April 11, 2010
Haha thank you.
That was brilliant.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
I wonder whatever happened to that assbag KnightofKingK
Mariner John - April 11, 2010
I heard his parents sent him off to fag camp or something.
Robert - April 11, 2010
Jack Z is as bald as Bavasi
There. I said it.
theboyirish - April 11, 2010
If the time comes that I throw in the towel
I won’t be blaming Jack Z for it
Corco - April 11, 2010
Looks like Vlad Guerrero was pretty annoying today.
Much like the Oakland A’s in general.
44FAN - April 11, 2010
I will fight anyone dumb enough to boo Bradley tomorrow.
sanford_and_son - April 11, 2010
I will be attending the game on Friday
and I will make it a point to try and find Bradley and give him a hug.
I Lick Squirrels - April 11, 2010
We will need photographic evidence of this monumental occurrence.
E-Lizz - April 11, 2010
I'm in row 1 sec 244 in left field tomorrow and I'll be yelling happy thoughts to Milton. :)
wazzu93 - April 11, 2010
Fight me.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
You make me sad.
BrianL - April 11, 2010
I am sorry
but I gotta be what I can be
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Booing someone after a bad 6 games is a terrible idea.
Mariner John - April 11, 2010
I mean, really why can't we boo the lesser talented people on this team if we insist on booing someone.
Sweeney, Griffey, Bionic Rob.
BrianL - April 11, 2010
I can't ever boo Griffey.
Sweeney and Rob, I will boo them all day if everyone promises not to murder me.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Why waste boos on players who are trying?
DrunkAmerican - April 11, 2010
Rob Johnson is trying?
I didn’t know that.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
He is very trying.
msb - April 11, 2010
Well, then he'd better start catching pitches
Instead of dropping 20 of them a day
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Whoosh.
harkening - April 11, 2010
You think it's a matter of effort?
I thought he just sucked.
DrunkAmerican - April 11, 2010
Personally I am very frustrated by Sweeney and Johnson, not much by their performance but M's stupid moves.
I don’t know how many times I mentioned in here, but I am a huge Garko fan. I never like Rob Johnson from the beginning. I like the part of Sweeney, the fluent Spanish speaker.
I still trust what Wak and GMZ has done and will do. but I am just upset right now
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
And you're going to take it out on poor little Robby and Michael?
Tsk tsk
DrunkAmerican - April 11, 2010
Can I just do it?
I don’t wanna hurt Wak’s feeling.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
I am in agreement with this.
I have an irrational love for Milton Bradley already.
Two Rs and Two Ls - April 11, 2010
Poor guy, he's like a little orphan player just looking for a loving home.
Kermit. - April 11, 2010
I really dont understand
why anyone boos for a player on their own team. Even if the player sucks, dont we have an interest in their doing well?
eflegen - April 11, 2010
I am sure Cubs booed Milton even though he was "trying"
Fair enough?
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Cubs fans*
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
That's because they thought he was a bad person.
DrunkAmerican - April 11, 2010
Let's not compare ourselves to Cubs fans.
BrianL - April 11, 2010
I apologize.
My bad.
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
I want to see Bradley get the biggest standing ovation in Safeco history
Lets show the dude we like him and we want him around.
Corco - April 12, 2010
Bradley will come around, as will this team
after Jeff Cirillo and Scott Spezio I think we can be patient with Bradley
E2ESQUARE - April 11, 2010
Milton Bradley is a good hitter and has been one recently
Griffin Cooper - April 11, 2010
Yes, and?
Bearskin Rugburn - April 11, 2010
Well, upon checking my facts, Cirillo was actually good the year before he came to Seattle, which I didn't know
But Spiezio was a 1 WAR player in 581 PA’s in 2003.
Griffin Cooper - April 11, 2010
And Bradley last year was a 1.1 win player in 100 less PA's while battling injuries
Griffin Cooper - April 11, 2010
My point was more that E2E isn't panning Bradley
he seems to be suggesting that Bradley deserves a lot of rope after Cirillo and Spiezio
Bearskin Rugburn - April 11, 2010
I thought he was being sarcastic
Griffin Cooper - April 12, 2010
Oh
Maybe you’re right.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 12, 2010
You know, I really wish you'd picked better examples.
Cirillo’s WAR while the Mariners paid his paychecks (2002-2004): .3 WAR (fortunately, his -.5 WAR in 2004 was as a Padre).
Player A’s WAR as a Mariner, 2004-200: -.6
They were really pretty horrible as Mariners (Cirillo was OK in 2002, but sucked mightily in 2003), and if Milton Bradley’s that bad this year… uh-ohs.
eponymous_coward - April 11, 2010
Hopefully going back to Safeco will turn things around!
I’m not giving up – Go M’s!
E-Lizz - April 11, 2010
Hell yeah!
3-5 or bust!
Stormton - April 11, 2010
Still tied for last with the Angels!
JAH - April 11, 2010
I'm not being pessimistic...
But if we’re going down this season, then the Angels better go down with us.
E-Lizz - April 11, 2010
I'd like for the Rangers to come down with us too
I’m a very bitter person.
Stormton - April 11, 2010
Personally I think the A's are the worst
2002 and 2003 have earned them my eternal scorn. Especially 2002…20 wins, pfft
2 games – Toronto Blue Jays (78-84)
3 games – Chicago White Sox (81-81)
4 games – Cleveland Indians (74-88)
3 games – Detroit Tigers (55-106)
5 games – Kansas City Royals (62-100)
3 games – Minnesota Twins (94-67)
Fuck Erubiel Durazo!
OceanBird - April 11, 2010
What does this mean?
Mariner John - April 11, 2010
I believe that is the records of the teams the A's defeated during the 20 game streak...
shumagorath - April 11, 2010
What??
Griffin Cooper - April 11, 2010
Come on, you guys should be well versed in Athletics lore
shumagorath is a true closet Athletics fan.
OceanBird - April 11, 2010
I don't really remember anything about pre-2007 baseball
Griffin Cooper - April 11, 2010
That's the spirit!
Last week sucked, but there’s plenty of baseball left.
Please, please get well soon Cliff.
Benne - April 11, 2010
And Erik!
:3
Stormton - April 11, 2010
And Jack!
Ef the yankees - April 11, 2010
Ugliness isn't a disease.
Coach Owens - April 12, 2010
Hannahan.
Hopefulmsfan - April 12, 2010
I realize that.
Coach Owens - April 12, 2010
Some optimisim...
The Angels are also 2-5.
Even more, they went 2-5 at home, while we went 2-5 on the road.
Anyway, better to get the bad games and weird lineup roster changes out of the way now than later in the season. I think it’s unlikely for Mariners to go on a huge losing streak and take themselves out of contention soon. Later in the season will be the most important and hopefully that is when we have a healthy squad, with all the quirks worked out in this early part of the season.
fortyniners - April 12, 2010
Unlike us, the Angels are also healthy
seattlebruin - April 12, 2010
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